^^^^^ the problem with you and the likes of negro_ntns is that you keeping talking fulani elites that have held nigeria but yet find it difficult to name these so called elites

Dude, stop going around trying to prove nothing. You made assertion that the tivs are " expansionist" and violent and I ask you to prove it and you came with "Google it and start from Benue issue ans Tiv relations with Idomas, . . ."? Is Kogi a fulani state? Why is it that the fulanis always go looking for trouble by taking their annual festival to the state capital of lokoja and denying the owners of the state rights to move freely? The last time some Igala youths raised objection, the fulani nomads went and hacked down four people to create fear in the minds of others.

The burden of proof is transfer to you immediately you asserted that Tivs are aggressors and violent tribes. The invincible massage here is, you are afraid and jittery that your hold to power under the hausa/fualni scam is being exposed. My job here is to let people know those behind the mask pulling the ugly string. For all that was mentioned on this thread, you cherry picked only the irrelevant points and continue hammering on blind spot, desperately trying to get out. Now, why don't you just post articles to prove your assertion? Or would you come back with "google it"?

haka_nai:

Google it and start from the Benue issue and Tiv relations with the Idomas,Igalas,Jukun(Taraba),Nasarawa state etc.The reasons why Tivs fight is always over land and political influence.The same Tivs will boast to you openly that it's impossible for them to allow another minority such as the Idomas lead Benue.so stop being naive.I am not saying this to make the tivs look bad but is an instance that shows all have that instinct in one way or the other but why the emphasis on the Hausa-Fulani?
I can assure you that Mr man you lack the understanding of the Northern issue.So what your type do out of desperation is create the imaginary picture and resort to instigation.If i may ask what is the status quo you talk about ? is it that the governors of Kano state is Fulani,Benue is fulani,plateau is Fulani,Gombe is Fulani,Borno is fulani,Adamawa is fulani,Taraba is fulani,Sokoto is fulani,kogi is fulani,nasarawa is fulani or Niger state?Grow up you misguided people.From the list above you can see the blend of Hausa,Berom,Tiv,Fulani,Kanuri,Igala etc. So how do the Fulanis control the political sphere again as explained by you?Since Monarchs can be deposed or manipulated by state governors.You should be ashamed of yourself.

Capt.Barbosa:
Dude, stop going around trying to prove nothing. You made assertion that the tivs are " expansionist" and violent and I ask you to prove it and you came with "Google it and start from Benue issue ans Tiv relations with Idomas, . . ."? Is Kogi a fulani state? Why is it that the fulanis always go looking for trouble by taking their annual festival to the state capital of lokoja and denying the owners of the state rights to move freely? The last time some Igala youths raised objection, the fulani nomads went and hacked down four people to create fear in the minds of others.

The burden of proof is transfer to you immediately you asserted that Tivs are aggressors and violent tribes. The invincible massage here is, you are afraid and jittery that your hold to power under the hausa/fualni scam is being exposed. My job here is to let people know those behind the mask pulling the ugly string. For all that was mentioned on this thread, you cherry picked only the irrelevant points and continue hammering on blind spot, desperately trying to get out. Now, why don't you just post articles to prove your assertion? Or would you come back with "google it"?

You dey vex because i say if e worry you go and do your home work well before you keep strolling in one direction and forming you too know as an empty vase.If you support the views of exposing issues, complete your task for balance facts.Jittery that what will happen?Mr instigator and fallacy rider.Abeg go get a life.Expose tire lies and let your shame veil you.The truth will prevail with time.If you can't wait then go and google it or read about it or ask about it or what ever that is balanced fact.Before na me give you the unbalanced lies you simply the report.The questions is simple is Kogi governed by Fulani?Will Igala ever let Ebira or Yorubas of Kogi lead the state?Before you even come to Fulani?Which are a smaller Minority in Kogi!


About the Tivs since you are a leaper i could pose something to read for you:find below a trend and then do further findings.
http://www.ecoi.net/189854::nigeria/329184.328648.9899...mr.328723/tiv.htm

06.03.2007 - Source: US Department of State

Tiv are seen as "non-indigenous"; conflicts over land rights with other ethnic groups continued ("Country Report on Human Rights Practices 2006" [ID 20052]

"Conflict over land rights and ownership continued among members of the Tiv, Kwalla, Jukun, and Azara ethnic groups; each of these groups resided at or near the convergence of Nassarawa, Benue, and Taraba States. The Tiv, who were claimed by their opponents to have migrated to the country later than other inhabitants of the disputed area, were regarded as interlopers by the other groups, which considered themselves "indigenous." Tivs were the largest ethnic group in much of Benue and parts of other states."

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08.03.2006 - Source: US Department of State

Conflict over land rights continued among members of the Tiv, Kwalla, Jukun, and Azara ethnic groups ("Country Report on Human Rights Practices 2005" [#46036], [ID 17446]

"Conflict over land rights and ownership continued among members of the Tiv, Kwalla, Jukun, and Azara ethnic groups; each of these groups resided at or near the convergence of Nassarawa, Benue, and Taraba States. The Tiv, who were claimed by their opponents to have migrated to the country later than other inhabitants of the disputed area, were regarded as interlopers by the other groups, which consider themselves "indigenous". Tivs are the largest ethnic group in much of Benue and parts of other states."

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04.2002 - Source: Human Rights Watch

The conflict in the Taraba-Benue area, which has been going on for decades, is principally between the Tivs, on the one hand, and the Jukuns, on the other ("Military revenge in Benue: A population under attack" [#6317], [ID 15020]

"The conflict in the Taraba-Benue area, which has been going on for decades, is principally between the Tivs, on the one hand, and the Jukuns, on the other; in recent years, the Jukuns have formed a close alliance with the Fulanis. The Jukuns form the majority in Taraba, while the Tivs form the majority in Benue. There are also sizeable Tiv minorities in Taraba, Nasarawa and Plateau states, and a small Jukun minority in Benue. The conflict in Taraba between Tivs and Jukuns has tended to center around competition for land, as well as control over economic resources and political power. Political battles have been especially intense around the control of Wukari, the traditional Jukun center in Taraba State. There have been disputes over the siting of the boundary between Benue and Taraba states, respect (or disrespect) for boundary demarcations, and political control of the border towns and villages. In broad terms, the Jukuns claim to be the original inhabitants of Taraba State, or "indigenes," and consider the Tivs as settlers. The Tivs reject this view, on the basis that they too have been living there for several generations and therefore have equal rights; they complain of being marginalized and excluded in Taraba. Likewise, the Jukun minority in Benue also complain of marginalization, lack of employment opportunities, and insecurity. There has been periodic fighting between these groups since the late 1950s, with sporadic outbreaks in 1964, 1976, and again in 1990-1992. Over the years, the communities have found increasing difficulty in living together peaceably. Benue is often referred to as the Tiv state, and Taraba as that of the Jukuns. Political polarisation has gradually turned into physical segregation too: as violence has intensified in Taraba, an increasing number of Tivs have fled into Benue. Tivs have complained of persecution in Taraba and talk of a deliberate campaign of "ethnic cleansing," primarily by the Jukuns, allied with the Fulanis, and now additionally backed up by the military. They have claimed that these operations are deliberately timed to ensure that the Jukuns have the political advantage in Taraba in the run-up to elections scheduled in 2003. In addition, the rivalries between Tivs and Jukuns have always had the potential to escalate into an even more serious conflict at the national level, as both groups are well represented in the national army. The violence in Taraba intensified in the second half of 2001. Organized bands of Tivs, Jukuns, and Fulanis were responsible for scores of deaths of civilians and widespread destruction of homes during this period, with attacks taking place on a weekly, and sometimes a daily basis. From the first week of September 2001 onwards, in particular, there was a series of attacks and counter-attacks by Tiv and Jukun armed groups, including on border towns and villages. These continued into December 2001 and January 2002."

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28.11.2001 - Source: Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre (formerly Global IDP Project)

The conflict between the Tiv and the Jukun, two different ethnic groups coexisting in Taraba State in Nigeria, had numerous causes (""Profile of internal displacement: Nigeria"" [#4825], [ID 15022]

"The conflict between the Tiv and the Jukun, two different ethnic groups coexisting in Taraba State in Nigeria, had numerous causes. These included disputes over land, traditional rulership, political authority, fears of domination and marginalisation. While this conflict centered [sic!] around the issue of settlers and indigenes, which is common in many parts of Nigeria."

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27.11.2001 - Source: Integrated Regional Information Network

Dozens of people killed and thousands forced to flee their homes when fresh outbreak of ethnic fighting between Tiv and Jukun erupted in Taraba State ("Nigeria: Renewed ethnic clashes erupt in central region" [#4814], [ID 15023]

"Several hundreds of people have been killed since the longstanding dispute between Tivs and their Jukun neighbours over land ownership, flared up in violence in September. Troops sent in by President Olusegun Obasanjo into the area to quell the violence became mired in the conflict after 19 of their men were killed by a Tiv militia. Reprisal attacks mounted by soldiers in October against several Tiv villages resulted in the death of more than 200 people and the displacement of tens of thousands of others. Residents of the affected area have continued to report military activity in their districts against unarmed villagers, with more people being killed, injured or forced to flee their homes."

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27.11.2001 - Source: Integrated Regional Information Network

Dozens of people killed and thousands forced to flee their homes when fresh outbreak of ethnic fighting between Tiv and Jukun erupted in Taraba State ("Nigeria: Renewed ethnic clashes erupt in central region" [#4814], [ID 15024]

"A fresh outbreak of ethnic fighting has erupted in Nigeria’s central region Taraba State, with dozens of people killed and thousands forced to flee their homes, local officials told IRIN on Monday. More than 100 armed men, suspected to be part of an ethnic Tiv militia, attacked several settlements of their neighbours, the Jukuns, in the Donga area, near the border with Benue State on Saturday, burning houses and killing several people, John Adamu, an official of the Taraba State government said."

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26.11.2001 - Source: BBC News

50 people killed when militia from the Tiv community attacked settlements of the Jukun people near the town of Donga ("Land clash in central Nigeria" [#4798], [ID 15025]

"Reports are emerging from central Nigeria of a clash between two local communities which has left up to 50 people dead. A spokesman for the Taraba state government said militia from the Tiv community attacked settlements of the Jukun people near the town of Donga over the weekend. Details of the attacks remain sketchy, but tensions over land rights in the remote region have led to frequent clashes in recent months. The spokesman said Tiv youths crossed the border from Benue state - effectively the boundary between the two warring communities - and attacked Jukun settlements. There are also reports of hundreds of people fleeing the area."

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07.11.2001 - Source: Integrated Regional Information Network

At least 550,000 people displaced after ethnic clashes between members of the Tiv and Jukun communities ("Nigeria: Over half a million displaced in central region, official says" [#4543], [ID 15026]

"Since September, fresh waves of displaced people fleeing fighting between members of the Tiv and Jukun communities in areas along the border between Benue and Taraba have taken refuge in several camps around the Benue capital, Makurdi. There they joined people displaced by earlier clashes between Tivs and Hausa-speaking Azeris in nearby Nasarawa State. However, officials said, the largest contingent of displaced people are those who have been flooding the refugee camps since soldiers attacked and ransacked several Tiv communities in late October in apparent retaliation for the killing of 19 of their colleagues by a Tiv militia earlier in the month."

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29.10.2001 - Source: Integrated Regional Information Network

Conflicts involving Tivs, who are mainly farmers, and Jukun, who are mainly from pastoral or fishing communities, are mostly over land ownership ("Up to 300,000 displaced in central region" [#4469], [ID 15027]

"Large numbers of displaced people are staying in several camps around the Benue State capital, Makurdi, where they joined others who had fled an earlier fighting in June between Tivs and Hausa-speaking Azeris in nearby Nasarawa State. Tivs are the majority ethnic group in Benue State but have significant populations in other central region states, including Taraba, Nasarawa, Adamawa and Plateau. The conflicts involving the Tivs, who are mainly farmers, and their neighbours who are mainly from pastoral and fishing communities, are mostly over land ownership. There are widespread fears that prolonged conflict in the region, which is one of Nigeria's food producing areas, is likely to undermine the country's food security."

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17.07.2001 - Source: BBC News

More than 100 people killed in ethnic unrest in Nasarawa/ at least 35,000 Tiv people reportedly fled ("Nigeria clashes leave 100 dead" [#2837], [ID 15028]

"More than 100 people have died in five weeks of bloody clashes in the central Nigeria state of Nasarawa. (…) It was reportedly triggered by the murder of a prominent chief from a rival Hausa-speaking community. The Tivs were blamed for his death. Eyewitnesses in Tudun Adabu at the time reported that young children, old women and local chiefs had been killed with machetes in an orgy of violence. The government sent police reinforcements to the area to help control the fighting. At least 35,000 Tiv people reportedly fled Nasarawa state, and some are now living in refugee camps to the south."

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You are indeed a sad and pathetic! So, where is your proof of Tivs invading others without provocations? I was actually waiting to see how they became "expansionist" according to a sad revisionist like you. Dude, do you even read what you are posting? Those are conflicts, which could happen every where! Ife-Modakeke, Ijaw and Itsekiri are typical example of such. Recently, there was a clash in ebonyi state that claimed the lives of 50 innocent people, does that compares to the constant barbaric attacks by the backward fulani nomads on innocent famers? Quit trying to divert the intends of this thread, which was set out to expose the criminal fulanis cashing on hausa-fulani scam.

The records is there to see, kanuris,fulanis and other savages have being using the cloud of hausa to push through their agenda of making nigeria backward. The fulanis are known to migrate from neighbouring countries, sneak in under the guise of rearing cattles, move closer to any town of their choice and before you utter a word, they are killing the owners and expanding their territory or claiming rights.

Why don't you start by telling us how the fulanis is jos caliming land ownership came into being? No more peace since the arrival of the barbarians!

Today, they have started moving southward. They have attacked people in ekiti, delta, imo and even osun state. It is a known fact that the fulani savage values life of his goat than humans, hence you see them moving about with long knives, armed and ready to hack or kill any person with countrary views.

Secondly, since you claimed to have originated from bura(which am doubting, cos I have alots of friends from chad in that axis claiming Yobe), the headquaters of boko haram, it will be my pleasure to have your take on the activites of boko haram or are you going to now drag the Tivs into this? We are always accusing the hausas over the crimes committied by the bloody kanuris and fulani barbarians, little wonders you are now trying very hard to maintain the status quo.

There are thousands of tivs living everywhere in this country and you cant even point a single clash between Tivs and their host, what about the barbaric fulani nomads?