Chelseafan1:
Does Messi play well for the NT like he does for Barca?

This same Neymar sef, some of their fans will tell us, he plays better for the NT than for Barca.

Messi plays well for NT without Messi Argentina would be garbage like dog shit

When Messi missed the last 2 qualifiers did you see how Argentina played

Raumdeuter, is Neymar better than Robben, someone just said that.

raumdeuter:


Hazard roams around as much as he want for Belgium only that he is very ineffective, A lot of his NT goals are Penalties

How was the Brazlian confed team mobile ? The same Oscar that Hazard fans claim is poor and dulling Hazard, is what Neymar is putting up with in Brazil for the Cinfed and world cup add a Fred and Hulk to it

So out of 4 attacking players i Brazil 3 are useless (Oscar Fred Hulk) yet Neymar didnt fail to deliver. The man at his age is on the way to becoming Brazil highest goal scorer ever Is that the same man you are comparing to a local champion like Hidden Hazard?

You are saying Matic and Fabregas are useless, will you take Gustavo + Paulinho over them? or is it Renato Agusto you would take over them?

Those are the dross Neymar has to deal with in Brazil yet has won a Confed, Olympics and took them to the world cup semi until injury struck

You all keep saying Barca helped Neymar, Before he got to Barca he was already a great player in South America winning Santos copa libetadores or was it Messi and Suarez that made him win for Santos too?

Neymar CL quarter semi and final scored to help his team to the treble and this is the man you dare compare to Hidden hazard who has 2 goals all his career from CL open play

This is not how it works. Players don't switch on and off their form at will. There's never been a time in history where a player suffers from a decline in form for club; then goes back to Country to turn it on.

You guys will bring on the Belgium thing over and over again. Hazard is not a robot. Hazard will not feel deflated at club, showing lack of form from instability and unfavourable tactics to abilities, then go back to Country and turn it on.

This is not the case for the likes of Neymar, Bale etc. Neymar plays in a system all year round. The system is designed to get the best out of him. And the best of him the club gets. Psychologically, it is then easier to return to Country and replicate that form; leading Country to glory when expected.

The same cannot be said of someone who's suffered from a lack of form. You cannot expect a player who feels psychological depressed at club to turn up and feel upbeat for Country. Tell me I am wrong on this.

If this point gets lost on you fellas, then it's a shame. I just watch you guys every week debate this topic, concluding on utter rubbish without in-depth analysis. You and A40 are very intelligent guys. You can see this from a mile away. How you are not reaching this conclusion defies belief.

raumdeuter:


Messi plays well for NT without Messi Argentina would be garbage like dog shit

When Messi missed the last 2 qualifiers did you see how Argentina played

Really? How many Copas and World cup finals has he missed?

Diademk07:
Many folks has different allegiance to clubs and country. Take for example, Ramsey who looked dogshit for Arsenal last season but was one of the best CM at the Euros. The fact is Oscar always played well for his national team.

As for Paulinho, a new coach came in, so? But one thing I know is the fact that he's a decent midfielder with lot of energy and intensity in his game and I think it was his performance for his national team that earned him a move to Spurs in the first place.

That said, Hazard was a teenager when he debuted for Belgium and at the time when the Belgium side didn't even have any quality in the team unlike KDB. Hence, those stats doesn't tell the whole story.

When Neymar was missing for Brazil, what did Oscar and co do?

So a new coach came didnt like Paulinho, this same coach went to all the clubs in Europe and didnt make all the top teams in Europe like him

It was only China they found space for him

paulinho is currently 28 and has been garbage for 3yrs that means he was finished at top flight by 25

raumdeuter:


You posted a response and no single fact disputing aything. If my team buy Hazard I will be glad to have an option to Coman and Douglas Costa that is certain

on d contrary, he won't be an option but d main player while those guys will be his substitute

macjireh:
on d contrary, he won't be an option but d main player while those guys will be his substitute

He will have to prove it on the field, and scoring 2 career CL goals is not the way to bench anyone

nateevs:
This is not how it works. Players don't switch on and off their form at will. There's never been a time in history where a player suffers from a decline in form for club; then goes back to Country to turn it on.

You guys will bring on the Belgium thing over and over again. Hazard is not a robot. Hazard will not feel deflated at club, showing lack of form from instability and unfavourable tactics to abilities, then go back to Country and turn it on.

This is not the case for the likes of Neymar, Bale etc. Neymar plays in a system all year round. The system is designed to get the best out of him. And the best of him the club gets. Psychologically, it is then easier to return to Country and replicate that form; leading Country to glory when expected.

The same cannot be said of someone who's suffered from a lack of form. You cannot expect a player who feels psychological depressed at club to turn up and feel upbeat for Country. Tell me I am wrong on this.

If this point gets lost on you fellas, then it's a shame. I just watch you guys every week debate this topic, concluding on utter rubbish without in-depth analysis. You and A40 are very intelligent guys. You can see this from a mile away. How you are not reaching this conclusion defies belief.

This is actually a good point you are saying players dont turn it on and off between clubs and NT yet there are guys on here currently trying to convince us that Oscar does exactly that. He is shit on Saturday for Chelsea and suddenly becomes good for Brazil on Wednesday

Hazard has only one bad club season and thats last yr so the excuse of psycological in club doesnt cut it, he has been playing for Belgium for over 6yrs so was it just last season that made him average for Belgium for the past 6yrs?

Regarding Neymar, He is the top dog in a Brazil filled with mediocre players, he isnt the top dog in Barca. Barcelona would rather tailor their pattern to get the best of Messi or Suarez than they will for Neymar

I dey come

Debroslink:


Neymar vs Robben is an argument that will be keenly contested, and a far better one than Neymar vs Hazard.

However, in a bid to overrate Hazard, you are trying to pitch him in the same scale as the duo. That's an insult to football.

Neymar doesn't even measure up to Robben. His ball controls and vision isn't even close to Robben's. Forget all those simple passes he often makes to Messi and Suarez to rack up his assist stats, when you want to talk about consistently splitting opposition's defences with throughballs, Robben is almost as good as Messi in that department. His control in tight spaces is also exceptional..

Chelseafan1:
Really? How many Copas and World cup finals has he missed?

if all the balls Messi was serving for Higuain, and co was converted. Then he would have won at least 2 of those finals

With Messi they are able to make finals, without Messi they might not even qualify, Last qualifier they won I think it was even Messi that won it for them iirc

Diademk07:


Neymar doesn't even measure up to Robben. His ball controls and vision isn't even close to Robben's. Forget all those simple passes he often makes to Messi and Suarez to rack up his assist stats, when you want to talk about consistently splitting opposition's defences with throughballs, Robben is almost as good as Messi in that department. His control in tight spaces is also exceptional..

It's OK. Just don't bring Hazard in the same bracket with any of the duo.

raumdeuter:


When Neymar was missing for Brazil, what did Oscar and co do?

So a new coach came didnt like Paulinho, this same coach went to all the clubs in Europe and didnt make all the top teams in Europe like him

It was only China they found space for him

paulinho is currently 28 and has been garbage for 3yrs that means he was finished at top flight by 25

Oscar isn't a player that rack up stats even when he's at his best. Looking at the way he plays, you would expect him to be a don in the midfield, that is, a midfielder that controls and dominate the midfield but then, he would still need quality attackers to finish all the moves started by him. That's his style except that, he finds it difficult to consistently pull it off in the EPL. But for his national team, he's an ace for them. Also, there's no way Neymar would have put Brazil through against Germany, in fact, Germany was their first test because they've been having it quite easy since the group stages and it's no coincidence they failed woefully.

As for Paulinho, he's a decent player with lot of intensity and energy in his game. The fact that Dembele was chosen over him doesn't make him a poor player, Dembele was just the better player.

airmark:


Ibime has done the needful. I know him as an upright person, who will not fraudulently sit for someone for international exams like one apari once bragged here. He will not depend on hacked cc to pay folks. That's why everyone was lobbying to be his in-law at the sight of his beautiful baby. Long live ibime, long live hazard, long live all chelsea fans

I didn't actually see the words 'I've been Paid the 100 pounds' though.

Have you been paid the 100 quid bro? Yes or No..

fredoooooo:


Chelsea and Liverpool have that Europe advantage

You right though...

Debroslink:


It's OK. Just don't bring Hazard in the same bracket with any of the duo.

I won't say Hazard is better than Neymar for now, although I would say he has more potentials than Neymar but one thing I know is Neymar isn't better than Hazard.

Diademk07:


I won't say Hazard is better than Neymar for now, although I would say he has more potentials than Neymar but one thing I know is Neymar isn't better than Hazard.

He has more potentials than Neymar at 26? Have you forgotten Neymar is younger?

I'm done.

nateevs:

You only see what you want to see. I have maintained in my last three posts, a combination of several factors. Then you take just the Mikel and Ramires factor, and decided to concentrate on that. Never mind other points.

I see you have (and rightfully so) distanced yourself from that last statement. Good players don't guarantee anything. That's just complete rubbish!

Now we are talking about Ramires' strengths. The opinion we normally fall back to when we are talking about a complete dud. Why don't you ask Bayern to go after those strengths?

If you think the difference between the combination of Mikel, Ramires, defensive football, negative tctics, attacking outlet relying solely on Hazard, Azipili at left back, Mr Mourinho and now Alonso, Kante, Matic, positive football, method of attack, Hazard not having to defend and Mr Conte is not crucial to Hazard's performance this season so far, then you and I have nothing to discuss and we better end it now.

I mean you are emotionally invested in the anti-Hazard brigade, you cannot see that Chelsea, as a whole, had an off season because of some single dude, and not necessarily that Hazard failed to produce. Some much, you claim Willian only had to do little to be better than him?

But where's the little Willian is doing now, in a team and system that seems perfectly made for Hazard to shine? In fact, Hazard has already doubled Willian's tally for the whole of last season in only a third of the season.

But let's leave facts alone. Common sense must not be allowed to get in the way of obscene declarations. Chelsea did not have a bad season with all players under-performing because of a toxic manager, it was all Hazard's inability to perform. Let's drive the anti-brigade train to an easy conclusion.

Complete confusion. So much, that you are making an argument and somehow completely oblivious to the fact that the present Hazard is already proving everything you are saying wrong.

You think the introduction of Kante has not allowed Hazard to go out in front and be superb? Play one-twos with Costa and blow away weak teams?

Heck even Pedro and Costa are looking like new beasts on the back of a new system. Playing out of their skins, passing with their eyes closed and remaining a constant threat at goal. But somehow, Hazard is excluded from the benefits of introducing a complete midfielder in Kante. We are not allowed to make this case for Hazard. Even though we can see with our eyes how transformed he had been in a short while.

Instead, WE, are making excuses and Hazard must be judged by a different sets of rules.

In fact, according to you, it doesn't matter that Kante is there. Let's just stick Winston Borgarde there. Good players don't guarantee jack. Complete midfielders don't help.

Confusion specialists! It's 2016 abeg. I am not doing this yeye arguments.

If you didn't deem it a germane reason then I'm wondering why you brought it up to begin with. These were utility players for the most part brought in to do a job. Ramires and Mikel made key contributions where necessary but they never formed a core of the team in Hazard's time. I jumped on it because it was the most frivolous reason of all.

Good players or should I say star players don't guarantee anything. History is rife with good players that didn't win sh!t collectively so the rubbish is from you tbh

Its hardly my fault that you fail to appreciate a player who always gave his best when playing for your team. With his limited abilities he contributed to some of your greatest triumphs in history, a feat Hazard is yet to achieve for all the noise

Whether you like it or not it is impractical for a team to field 10
attacking players, certain players need to do the grunt work, and you find out that the truly elite teams I assume you are trying to emulate all defend from the front.

We would see what happens when injury forces Conte to change tactics or when he gets 'SOURCED OUT' Maybe you are forgetting the fact that not having to deal with Euro footie like some of your rivals is a factor. Was Kante in space when you guys were getting thwacked left, right and center? Fabregas, Matic everybody else were not complete midfielders. Only Kante. OK

He got outplayed in 2015/2016 by goddamn Willian. All these your other yarns na just story for the gods tbh. Were the players that outperformed him playing at a different club? Hazard's bottom level would not be accepted at Barca or Madrid even if Satan was their manager. There is a certain level that the truly elite players do not sink below

Nothing has been achieved so far besides Hazard exceeding last year's tally. And him of course getting the lion share of credit off the toil of others

Who is causing confusion? Abeg speak for yourself bro

airmark:


Ibime has done the needful. I know him as an upright person, who will not fraudulently sit for someone for international exams like one apari once bragged here. He will not depend on hacked cc to pay folks. That's why everyone was lobbying to be his in-law at the sight of his beautiful baby. Long live ibime, long live hazard, long live all chelsea fans

xup nah.

raumdeuter:


if all the balls Messi was serving for Higuain, and co was converted. Then he would have won at least 2 of those finals

With Messi they are able to make finals, without Messi they might not even qualify, Last qualifier they won I think it was even Messi that won it for them iirc

the 'if' bus stop.
If denayer Jordan lukaku were not useless, hazard would have taken his team to the euro semi final.

Nihilist:


I didn't actually see the words 'I've been Paid the 100 pounds' though.

Have you been paid the 100 quid bro? Yes or No..

Kilode bro ? Ibime has paid

Debroslink:


He has more potentials than Neymar at 26? Have you forgotten Neymar is younger?

I'm done.

Yes! He's been under utilised by his coach so far, maybe Conte may finally bring out those potentials.

Eden hazard is by far a better player than neymar the diver

Diademk07:


Oscar isn't a player that rack up stats even when he's at his best. Looking at the way he plays, you would expect him to be a don in the midfield, that is, a midfielder that controls and dominate the midfield but then, he would still need quality attackers to finish all the moves started by him. That's his style except that, he finds it difficult to consistently pull it off in the EPL. But for his national team, he's an ace for them. Also, there's no way Neymar would have put Brazil through against Germany, in fact, Germany was their first test because they've been having it quite easy since the group stages and it's no coincidence they failed woefully.

As for Paulinho, he's a decent player with lot of intensity and energy in his game. The fact that Dembele was chosen over him doesn't make him a poor player, Dembele was just the better player.

Was Dembele chasing him all over Europe or all top European clubs had a Dembele that was blocking Paulinho from all clubs that he had to land in China. Sorry that excuse is frivolous. Spus had a new coach, Dembele came and that was enough to stop any clu from being interested that he is now in China

Brazil played Chile and Colombia 2 of the most exciting teams of the tournament until they met Brazil and were knocked out

If you didn't deem it a germane reason then I'm wondering why you brought it up to begin with. These were utility players for the most part brought in to do a job. Ramires and Mikel made key contributions where necessary but they never formed a core of the team in Hazard's time. I jumped on it because it was the most frivolous reason of all.

It's your understanding of the whole point that was faulty not my intention to show valid reasons supporting my point of view. I also raised a left back issue amongst many others. You don't seem keen on discussing that. You have attacked the outlet that gives your whole point false credence.

Good players or should I say star players don't guarantee anything. History is rife with good players that didn't win sh!t collectively so the rubbish is from you tbh

You allowed to change that point pf view to anything. Good players, Star players. However, given that the premise of the debate was that the inclusion of Toni Kroos, Modric, Benzema, Ronaldo, Isco, helps bring out the best in Bale, you are the one saying the rubbish. If you think that this is not the case, ask them to sell Ronaldo, Modric and Kroos and replace them Drinkwater, Emre Can and Slimani; then we see if Bale's productivity will not decline.

Its hardly my fault that you fail to appreciate a player who always gave his best when playing for your team. With his limited abilities he contributed to some of your greatest triumphs in history, a feat Hazard is yet to achieve for all the noise

Abeg. I don't belong to this school of thought. My school of thought is that rubbish players do more harm than good. In actual fact, statistically, the utilization of the likes Ramires has contributed in total, to more failure than success and such, I don't appreciate these things you try to point in my face.

Whether you like it or not it is impractical for a team to field 10
attacking players, certain players need to do the grunt work and you find out that the truly elite teams I assume you are trying to emulate all defend from the front

Again, faulty understanding of the wholesome point, which cannot be attributed to me. There is a difference between asking for Alaba (instead of Azpilicueta) at left back, to assist Hazard in attack (drawing away the constant 3 against 1 marking we constantly see) and asking for 11 attacking players.

No matter how much desire and enerygy Ramires puts into games, he can never match (let alone surpass) the output of Kante - offensively and defensively. I repeat, good players. Right players. Technical players. Offensively and defensively. Not 11 attacking.

That's your faulty understanding at work. Not my own point.

Debroslink:


He has more potentials than Neymar at 26? Have you forgotten Neymar is younger?

I'm done.

Stop making it sound like Neymar is 4 years younger, he is 24 while Hazard is 25.
Just a year difference.

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airmark:





Kilode bro ? Ibime has paid

I just dey check ni...

Stella Oduah was proved the term ' do the needful' meant nothing.

Congratulations bro. Enjoy your windfall

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So we cant find anywhere Hazard has convince aside from the league

Nothing in CL, Nothing for National team

while Neymar keeps delivering everywhere

wey d haters

donjazet:

I like ur unparalleled optimism but at the same time, you should be cautious! We are playing so well right now because no one has figured any weak spot yet, but you have to know that sooner or later, teams will learn to counter it, we can only enjoy it while it lasts and we still don't have the squad size to carry us all through the season. We definitely need reinforcement in January.

Yeah but we could be so good at it that it Would take a Ultra special team to stop us just like Barca tiki-taka besides domination dosent mean a few losses wont happen. I agree we need reinenforcements both from youth and signings.