nateevs:

It's your understanding of the whole point that was faulty not my intention to show valid reasons supporting my point of view. I also raised a left back issue amongst many others. You don't seem keen on discussing that. You have attacked the outlet that gives your whole point false credence.

nateevs:

You allowed to change that point pf view to anything. Good players, Star players. However, given that the premise of the debate was that the inclusion of Toni Kroos, Modric, Benzema, Ronaldo, Isco, helps bring out the best in Bale, you are the one saying the rubbish. If you think that this is not the case, ask them to sell Ronaldo, Modric and Kroos and replace them Drinkwater, Emre Can and Slimani; then we see if Bale's productivity will not decline.

nateevs:

Abeg. I don't belong to this school of thought. My school of thought is that rubbish players do more harm than good. In actual fact, statistically, the utilization of the likes Ramires has contributed in total, to more failure than success and such, I don't appreciate these things you try to point in my face.

nateevs:

Again, faulty understanding of the wholesome point, which cannot be attributed to me. There is a difference between asking for Alaba (instead of Azpilicueta) at left back, to assist Hazard in attack (drawing away the constant 3 against 1 marking we constantly see) and asking for 11 attacking players.

nateevs:

No matter how much desire and enerygy Ramires puts into games, he can never match (let alone surpass) the output of Kante - offensively and defensively. I repeat, good players. Right players. Technical players. Offensively and defensively. Not 11 attacking.

That's your faulty understanding at work. Not my own point.

Chelseafan1:


The difference is that, one of the duo plays in a star studded Barca team that has a wizard as a player....a 5 time Ballon D 'or winner who can easily lift the pressures off him, same can't he said of the other.

Bale and Muller are 2 years older than Hazard, Sanchez is 3 years older.

Barca has won multiple UCL trophies b4 he even dreamt of joining the team, whereas, they team Hazard plays for could just manage to win 1 UCL of their years of existence.

Chelseafan1:


The difference is that, one of the duo plays in a star studded Barca team that has a wizard as a player....a 5 time Ballon D 'or winner who can easily lift the pressures off him, same can't he said of the other.

Bale and Muller are 2 years older than Hazard, Sanchez is 3 years older.

Barca has won multiple UCL trophies b4 he even dreamt of joining the team, whereas, they team Hazard plays for could just manage to win 1 UCL of their years of existence.

A40:

Nothing is faulty about my understanding. Your point is what I am merely using against you and it must be working judging by how you are distancing yourself from it. You had attacking full backs who were deemed as defensive liabilities. Combine with a Hazard who doesn't track back what you have is flame on a trail heading for a powder keg



At least you now realize good players don't guarantee anything. Now to address your premise. How many CL titles were won prior to his arrival by the bunch of players you listed. Let Ikedia go to Leicester and win EPL with Drinkwater, Fuchs and co since we are being childish

What was Mahrez's production last season playing with these players compared to Hazard who had an all-star ensemble. Abeg jokes on you bruh


Whether Ramires is a rubbish player is subject to taste. Even as I detest una rubbish football reach I still respect the contributions of a glue guy like Ramires from time to time. I reiterate his contributions in big matches trump whatever that criminally overrated Hazard, Kante have achieved since joining Chelsea. The laurels are there for all to see and he made his input however irrelevant it might be to you


This is concentrated megedefegede you are chatting. You think this is fantasy football? How many Alaba's do we have in world football today? Do you think Ribery/Costa do not put in defensive shifts when possession is lost?

When your fullbacks are defensively suspect it is hard to put a forward who doesn't track hard ahead of them. Even Conte knows this and that is why Hidden is central.


Kante for all I know is also still a local champion. He went to the last Euros and at the first taste of international football he played like an Ebu knockout wey been dey try to make sound but we no hear

The right and technical players would be appraised with titles. Ramires with all his limitations delivered. We would see what Kante achieves

airmark:


. I know him as an upright person, who will not fraudulently sit for someone for international exams like one apari once

Debroslink:
When a man United fan places Robben above Neymar, just to overrate Hazard, you know he's a biased fellow.

Robben is one of the main reasons Holland lost the world cup final. Who remembers that one on one situation he wasted against Casillas?

I'm yet to see Neymar flop for Brazil when the ovation is loudest. I remember confederations cup final against Spain. I also remember Olympics final.

However, both Robben and Neymar have delivered UCL trophy for their respective clubs by their overall play especially scoring the decisive goal in the final match.

Until Hazard does what these two have done for club and country, he is NOT in the same level with them.

Debroslink:
When a man United fan places Robben above Neymar, just to overrate Hazard, you know he's a biased fellow.

Robben is one of the main reasons Holland lost the world cup final. Who remembers that one on one situation he wasted against Casillas?

I'm yet to see Neymar flop for Brazil when the ovation is loudest. I remember confederations cup final against Spain. I also remember Olympics final.

However, both Robben and Neymar have delivered UCL trophy for their respective clubs by their overall play especially scoring the decisive goal in the final match.

Until Hazard does what these two have done for club and country, he is NOT in the same level with them.

raumdeuter:


Lukaku did his best KdB did his, Hidden was supposed to be the star of the team and flopped

The Olympic gold was what Brazil has been missing in their coffers for over 100yrs and even rested Neymar from Copa for the Olympics and Neymar didnt dissapoint unlike Hazard who was one of the worst players at the world cup

hensben:
Brazil is a household name in world of football so it is expected they will win trophy anytime soon unlike Belgian national team who are still trying to get there .

Debroslink:


But he won his continental individual awards without that wizard in his team. In fact, he himself was the wizard in his team while winning his continent's player of the year award not once but twice.

So you see, you don't have to be in the best team before you lead your team to glory.

raumdeuter:


So its the name Brazil that they will line up on the field

for the past 5 yrs and Currently Belgium has better players than Brazil, Yet Neymar was able to take the useless Fred Jo Hulk Oscar etc to achieve while Hazard is so useless with Belgium and cant lead them to win anything

raumdeuter:


So its the name Brazil that they will line up on the field

for the past 5 yrs and Currently Belgium has better players than Brazil, Yet Neymar was able to take the useless Fred Jo Hulk Oscar etc to achieve while Hazard is so useless with Belgium and cant lead them to win anything

Chestar5:
Out of 20 epl team, only 1 team kept a clean sheet #Cfc

donjazet:

Since we have now formed a solid defensive unit, I really wouldn't feel comfortable with us tampering with it. Let zouma just keep playing with the under21s for now.

hensben:
When did Brazil play Belgium for you to know which is better? FIFA ranking? Lol. I see you as a troll, you might know the game of football but you analyze it with sentiment and hatred which is very bad and a pity.

Chelseafan1:
Hazard is still a failure at the Euros even with this rating.
Rumdeuter, what have you been smoking.

Emaprince:
I also want cahill gone too. I wanted moses out of this team as well, but i'm a changed man for now.

With this new formation, the current 1st eleven are putting in great work. They haven't conceded any goal yet. No silly mistakes(shout out to cahill). Everyone tagged Pedro a headless chicken but dude is making us eat our words.

I just don't want any interruption yet until things start falling apart. Willy willy, john Terry, fabregas, zouma etc etc should calmly stay glued to the bench, watch the new first team and learn better football

raumdeuter:


Belgium had a better team than most teams to the Euros your Hidden Ikedia failed to take his team beyond ordinary Wales. They couldt even make the semi

He failed at the world cup, He failed in the CL. The only place Hidden can claim to be sucessful is in the local league just like Vardy

Chelseafan1:
That's how he will keep repeating this Nursery school rhymes like a programmed robot.

TRendlona:
Diademk07 , Chelseafan1 and Hensben what can y'all say about this?

hensben:
If you don't know hazard has been used as LMF in 4-2-3-1 formation all this years and you expect him to be scoring goals for fun.

TRendlona:
Diademk07 , Chelseafan1 and Hensben what can y'all say about this?

TRendlona:


Oh yea that's true.. But as a midfielder, you should have loads of assists in your record.. How come Neymar still has more assists than Hazard?(overall career).

hensben:
How come iniesta doesn't have load of assist? Epl is different from la Liga bros.

TRendlona:


How about Champions league? Neymar has the highest number of assist..

TRendlona:


Oh yea that's true.. But as a midfielder, you should have loads of assists in your record.. How come Neymar still has more assists than Hazard?(overall career).