BlueRayDick:


I was also like you thinking the ASUU guys are deliberately jeopardizing our tertiary education sector with their unreasonable demands until I got an insight into their concerns and fears as regards the IPPIS.

Below is what my friend who happens to be a lecturer wrote on the IPPIS issue in Facebook. (I had to crop out his name)

I hope u can read it with an open mind and understand what the stand of the lecturers are.

larride:


Using Doctors as a ref has rubbished everything he stated as reason for not joining IPPIS. Doctors on federal payroll are currently paid through IPPIS. They have been for quite some time now. IPPIS does not pay just salary, it pays allowances also.

Dr Joe Abah (Former Director General of Bureau of Public Reforms) has said it mutilple time that the leadership of ASUU are the one misleading their members, IPPIS as a payment system is not static, each MDAs has their subset, ASUU members will be a subset under the Education ministry. Those that have enrolled, are they not getting paid? Police and other para military are getting their basic salary and allowance through this same IPPIS. Even the Military has been directed to all enroll.

izzou:


Larride, what's your view on some of the points he raised here?

larride:


These agencies are revenue generating agencies. They do not draw their personnel cost from the Consolidated Revenue Account. ASUU does.

larride:


They are mainly excuses.

Who has been paying all these allowances before? Was it not the same government? Or where are they getting those allowances from? IPPIS is just a mechanism to pay them, it doesn’t stop their salary or allowances. If the military can enroll on IPPIS, what’s ASUU?

The thing is, the large % of them are receiving salary from 2 or more different universities which will no longer be possible on IPPIS.

izzou:


He stated that there was no provision for those allowances in IPPIS.

As much as I hate ASUU, let's look at it objectively too

If the government would introduce a system that would not include some of their benefits which should be provided, is it wrong for them to react?

larride:


They are mainly excuses.

Who has been paying all these allowances before? Was it not the same government? Or where are they getting those allowances from? IPPIS is just a mechanism to pay them, it doesn’t stop their salary or allowances. If the military can enroll on IPPIS, what’s ASUU?

The thing is, the large % of them are receiving salary from 2 or more different universities which will no longer be possible on IPPIS.

BlueRayDick:



The doctor example does not rubbish anything. Do medical doctors go on sabbaticals? Do u know lecturers going on sabbatical allows them to continue to draw salary from their primary employer as well as get paid by the university they go to teach during their sabbatical?

This is one of the peculiarities which IPPIS does not capture and is not willing to capture. The FG is not disposed to the idea of these lecturers drawing salary from two sources, but there nothing they do about it. The act establishing universities allowed for this.

What I don't understand is why the government thinks they are smarter than university dons and want to goad them on to subscribe to the IPPIS arrangement which will rob them of these benefits. The problem is u think ASUU is the problem when they clearly are not in this case.

If the government is willing to not only take these peculiarities into consideration but also accommodate it, there is no way the lecturers will not adopt the system.

The funny thing is the government whether this present one or the future one will accede to the lecturers demands and u won't hear any noise again.

Read below explanation of the sabbatical peculiarity as applied to University lecturers

BlueRayDick:


If this Ur explanation is good enough, then why is the Auditor general wailing and even suggesting the agencies be sanctioned?

Swissh:

How about Associations like SSANU and COEASU who initially supported the initiative of IPPIS with the understanding that all the peculiarities will be met but after getting the first taste of the IPPIS application they are now complaining that their peculiarities were not met and have now joined ASSU in rejecting it. Don't you think that shows the system is just Audio.

larride:


Lol. Before now, who was paying these sabbatical before? Was it not the government? You are talking as if these things are rocket science or payment system are static.

Almost all companies who go on sabbatical still continue to draw their salary during the period they are on leave. On this sabbatical, The Director in charge of IPPIS already clarified it. Everyone of them will be registered under the university that they draw their basic salary from. When they are on sabbatical and going to teach in another university, it’s for the school to send the names of those going on said sabbatical and which school are they will be “visiting” and their names will be added under the university as a visiting lecturer and their allowances will still be paid.

This is one fight ASUU won’t win.

larride:

SSANU rejected IPPIS, where?

larride:


SSANU rejected IPPIS, where?

BlueRayDick:


Don't mind him. The ASUU leadership have been in a room where the whole IPPIS software was discussed with representatives of the FG, they've asked salient questions, they've penned down their objection some of the features which they believe the government will reason with them.....

Obviously their points were not considered and the FG wants them to sign on to the whole IPPIS stuff as if amongst these people there are no lawyers who understand the implication of signing on to a contract u are not in total agreement to.

The federal government is just trying to pain.the lecturers bad when everybody knows how rotten the government is.

Thank God there is free press in Nigeria which allows the lecturers to air their own side of the story, if not this government will just be throwing propaganda upon propaganda ni

BlueRayDick:


I think Swissh has answered u on this.

There is a reason other associations/Unions that earlier subscribe to the IPPIS are backing out.

This is a federal government that promised intervention funds in the first week of COVID-19 induced lockdown and it was only yesterday ( in the fourth week) that they are just planning on disbursing funds.

You think anybody takes FG's audio promises serious? At least not ASUU

larride:


First, their excuse was that they won’t enroll if CBN, FIRS, NNPC don’t enroll on the platform. When that was trashed out, they moved to another excuse.

Their second excuse was that they have autonomy, they were all quoting the law establishing various universities until the government told them they should go and generate their revenue and pay themselves then.

Their third excuse now is that IPPIS doesn’t recognize their benefit when infact these so called allowances will be added to platform with just a click.

Ibime:
Someone sent me a video on WhatsApp about Ronaldinho on Xvideos.

This guy is finished jare.

BlueRayDick:


Too much talk no dey full basket see link below

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/382107-just-in-ssanu-makes-u-turn-joins-ASUU-to-reject-ippis.html

I just don't get why u think FG cannot renegade on their promises if they've been doing it for years. It's like u honestly think this Buhari government is different from others or maybe even better bá?

BlueRayDick:


This Ur talk about the allowances added at the click of a button is rubbished by the claim of few people paid via the platform in February and how they complained bitterly in the link I posted and the screenshot posted by Swissh.

The federal government has stated it that they are not comfortable with what they called "double salary" being paid some of the lecturers. The lecturers have explained these payment/allowances countless times. But Buhari's government in a bid to be seen as cutting costs thinks these "double salary" should be a thing of the past. Their body language shows this and that is why the lecturers will not subscribe to the platform.

It is as simple as that.

If the government wants to be seen as one which cuts cost let them stop ministries from budgeting for official cars every year, let them look into hundreds of contacts they award every year.......

These are lecturers who beg, plead and even use strike to force the government's hands to invest little in tertiary education while government waste money on frivolities like sponsoring Hadjj, pilgrimage to Jerusalem and what have u.

On this one ó, I stand with ASUU

larride:


I already stated that the major issue was the 2.5% National Housing contributory fund that was deducted from their salary. Saying the government didn’t pay those on sabbatical is a lie. I have someone currently on sabbatical and yet still receive his salary. His own major grouse is the deductions.

These are not promises, ASUU are not the one paying themselves, it is the government that has been paying them, if it’s in their terms of contract, government will pay it.

BlueRayDick:


I doubt u read the link I posted.

The Unions claimed there were "Various Irregularities"....This is Ur story about just 2.5% NHS contribution is just an attempt to trivialize the serious issues raised by the union.

I don't know union Ur friend belongs to, but if u read that link I posted u will read where the COEASU president claimed those on Sabbatical are not paid.

The federal government has been known to not honor agreements in the past. So the lecturers will not just enter sign on to the IPPIS like FG wants them to without having their raised issues resolved.

And talks about the federal government being the employer and lecturers being employees is stale already. The federal government knows they can't afford to sack them. Who will fill their shoes?

Shey na the ones wey Don dey private university dey Enjoy better terms of service or the ones abroad living the best of their life? The FG better humble and do the needful

larride:


Let the government calls for mass sack and mass recruitment first, then you will see those will will fill their shoes.

Did you also read it from the link that even COEASU saying they won’t join UTAS also unless it meet their own peculiarities? ASUU is not the only trade unions with peculiarities, every other agencies with their peculiarities are enrolled on IPPIS and it has been paying them without issues, ASUU own won’t be different. If the Military can be subjected to IPPIS, ASUU has no excuse.

larride:


Let the government calls for mass sack and mass recruitment first, then you will see those will will fill their shoes.

Did you also read it from the link that even COEASU saying they won’t join UTAS also unless it meet their own peculiarities? ASUU is not the only trade unions with peculiarities, every other agencies with their peculiarities are enrolled on IPPIS and it has been paying them without issues, ASUU own won’t be different. If the Military can be subjected to IPPIS, ASUU has no excuse.

raumdeuter:


What is unique about the service ASUU provides that cannot be reproduced, Do you know how many people are waiting on the sidelines to replace them? Let FG put adverts asking even for foreign-trained PhD and see how many applications they go get.
Someone once said ordinary customer service job advertised at under 200k, enough foreign-trained Masters dey apply never mind Naija Masters

ASUU are just a bunch of entitled people, I remember how many times they cancelled session when I was still in school claiming they were tired and after sending us home for months almost a year, They all resumed to private Universities to teach and get paid double

You are forgetting who the employer and employee is here, and trade union in an environment like Nigeria where many people are jobless, You remember one time Doctors went on strike and Lagos state govt put their roles up for hire, they got thousands of application from many doctors who have been jobless before

I already argued some time back, Public University is becoming a waste of time for many courses especially for Technical course, You are almost certain going to learn more useful stuff online than in those Universities where your lecturer will be teaching you Fortran77

Your employer says they want to pay you by direct deposit, you tell them you prefer to collect cash, and you gave them reasons?
Abeg those that are collecting salary through IPPIS are they lesser animals? You see salary you dey claim say you no want it to be paid in one style, You don see where Grace give diggz toto, wey him complain say e no get hair?

How many students did they consult when they changed the payment system of School fees from teller to scratch card and online portals, If students dare protest they immediately expel them

They are not serious

eph12:

Yes they will but give it time, the problems that were not addressed will come up again. And if these new ones decide not to join the union, they've dug their graves

Swissh:

The guy made some good points. Another issue is why are NNPC, NIDC, CBN, FIRS etc not included in IPPIS?

Godx:

This is an important question and I don't buy the answer that was given. The major aim for the creation of IPPIS was to remove the problem of Ghostworkers. Now why is IPPIS only for some and not for all the organizations involved in those practises. . The Ghostworkers at NNPC, FIRS etc what majors have been put in place to fish them out and guide against them.

larride:


Unless those allowances are not in their terms of contract or promotion letter, if it is, they have every right to sue the government for non payment.

It’s funny how we are talking as if ASUU make rules for itself when it’s the other way round.