we have asked that you stop hairsplitting ad find your way to the following thread to attach winsh/vulture hillary clinto

U.S Delivers Damning Verdict On GEJ’s Anti-corruption War corruption fiesta /free for all pdp - Politics

https://www.nairaland.com/947546/u.s-delivers-damning-verdict-gej/3

Nigeria: Malabu Oil Scam - How U.S.$1.1 Billion Was Shared

https://www.nairaland.com/947002/nigeria-malabu-oil-scam-how

we never see you. abeg beaf, funky mallam, jmaine and co come and dedictae your energies na

haven't you gotten your spamming orders from aso rock yet? abi you are waiting for reuben abati to issue a presidential insult to the US?

the threads are so short, no gifs, no winches, no pictures of buhari, no seccession noise whasupwitthat

Broda Gbawe. Ayam still waiting...

Gbawe:

GEJ and Allison-Madueke effectively controlling the sector you have your answer to the bolded above. [size=14pt]It is very obvious there is a systematic plan in place.[/size]

jmaine:
...;

The bolded is pregnant with meanings and connotations. .what is the systematic plan of GEJ and Allison in engaging in oil bunkering. .

Gbawe needs to give us insights and clues to what he was referring to . . .

You hit the nail squarely here, jmaine.
Gbawe thinks he is clever with his troubling "we and them" outbursts. I would expect him express form and act like a coward as he has done so far by avoiding your challenge for an explanation which your super-size font makes unavoidable even to the blind.

I join you in calling Gbawe to drop cowardice and provide an explanation.

Gbawe! Ayam waiting.

^^^^^^

speaker for the drinkard, we are still waiting for you to come and take on this slander against the quiet achiever, the methodical performer, the man who takes his time etc etc etc

U.S Delivers Damning Verdict On GEJ’s Anti-corruption War corruption fiesta /free for all/buffet [color=#990000][/color]

https://www.nairaland.com/947546/u.s-delivers-damning-verdict-gej/3

Nigeria: Malabu Oil Scam - How U.S.$1.1 Billion Was Shared

https://www.nairaland.com/947002/nigeria-malabu-oil-scam-how

When contacted, the Chief nairaland secretary to the president, former 'miltant' beaf said he could not comment on the N155bn money laundering controversy since he was not familiar with the issue.

Repeated requests to his army of underlings to comment on the issue were ignored.

similarly, requests to team spin and spell have not been answered calls

efforts to get a reaction from the entire motley crew of agips, liars hanger on , hypocrites speakers for mediocrity better known as TEAM GEJ were not successful as at the time of filing this post.

Beaf: --Beaf ignores an obvious and desperate fool--

much like adoke, abati and co. you are indeed in good company of like souls


mr man, wetin na are you too scared to come and defend the common thief in aso rock?

see what you are , see what you are defending, a drunken, incompetent thief who everyone with any sense is tired of covering up for.

nairaland is the last bastion of support for gej, by the likes of you, people who have never done a day's honest work in their lives - the only kind of people who can support the kind of mediocrity and avarice the gej administration stands for

Beaf stop being funny. With Gej and DAM effectively having power over NNPC and the oil subsidy scam going on, it is crystal clear for those who want to see it.
As for Oyb, i think he has the right to do what he is doing. Remember when IMF chief praised Gej govt/Sanusi, you were there to support, so i naturally expect to you have a comment on the thread oyb is inviting you to.

sheyguy: Beaf stop being funny. With Gej and DAM effectively having power over NNPC and the oil subsidy scam going on, it is crystal clear for those who want to see it.
As for Oyb, i think he has the right to do what he is doing. Remember when IMF chief praised Gej govt/Sanusi, you were there to support, so i naturally expect to you have a comment on the thread oyb is inviting you to.

Abeg, no de talk like say yam de ya maut. Nobody will slap you.
What exactly are you saying?

sheyguy: Beaf stop being funny. With Gej and DAM effectively having power over NNPC and the oil subsidy scam going on, it is crystal clear for those who want to see it.
As for Oyb, i think he has the right to do what he is doing. Remember when IMF chief praised Gej govt/Sanusi, you were there to support, so i naturally expect to you have a comment on the thread oyb is inviting you to.

dude, you need to understand, in the school of team gej, the position of president, minister etal are all ceremonial positions - you are not expected t do anything but make flowery speeches and commission projects

responsibility is for subordinates

end of

jmaine:

Quit your "Notice me" jibe . . . it's getting boring already . .don't you notice it . .



let's see what your proposition holds . . .



From the section you chose to dwell on . . .




The only differential stance in his earlier presumed "double faced quote" was his "supposed" confession of the skepticism of the populace to his (GEJ) development initiative . .

So he did acknowledge the presence of a development initiative of GEJ in place even though tainted with skepticism . . . . . .

let's us go further . . .



I assume the day before referred to a previous day before Douglas made the quote below



and your article said




"More explanation" on what was purportedly said in the future

Mind explaining that part to me bro . . . was your wiki leaks article poorly portrayed/written . .

Guy, frankly, what are you talking about? This is pathetic. I would never have put you as one of those who don't know when to graciously shun pedantism or blind argument for the sake of it. There is no point going back and forth with you because the article makes it obvious that whatever good things Oronto Douglas said about GEJ publicly was not a reflection of his true feeling. When he spoke privately he damningly claimed

Jonathan as "part of the system of corruption that had impoverished the Niger Delta for decades."

Why do you then even continue to speak? What is your point and what is more injurious than the submission GEJ is part of the problem of the ND? Indeed, is the utterance of Oronto Douglas not borne out by the topic of this thread i.e the proliferation of corruption and criminality in the ND under GEJ? Guy, stop this senseless back and forth.

Broda Gbawe. Ayam still waiting...

Gbawe:

GEJ and Allison-Madueke effectively controlling the sector you have your answer to the bolded above. [size=14pt]It is very obvious there is a systematic plan in place.[/size]

jmaine:
...;

The bolded is pregnant with meanings and connotations. .what is the systematic plan of GEJ and Allison in engaging in oil bunkering. .

Gbawe needs to give us insights and clues to what he was referring to . . .

You hit the nail squarely here, jmaine.
Gbawe thinks he is clever with his troubling "we and them" outbursts. I would expect him express form and act like a coward as he has done so far by avoiding your challenge for an explanation which your super-size font makes unavoidable even to the blind.

I join you in calling Gbawe to drop cowardice and provide an explanation.

Gbawe! Ayam waiting.

Orikinla: . You're right. The oil thieves have already produced heads of state in Nigeria. Because, stealing crude oil and exporting it takes days and you cannot do so in the Gulf of Guinea without the knowledge of the Nigerian Navy. From illegal oil "bunkering" to the fuel subsidy fraud, the executive council of the Nigerian government cannot deny the complicity of those who are in charge of the security of Nigerian waters and the oil tankers used in illegal oil export are owned by people they know. Illegal oil export started from 1985 and all the billionaires who have been in power in Nigeria who now have private universities and real estate in Lagos, Abuja, Miami, London, Pretoria, Jo'burg and Dubai are stakeholders and shareholders. Retired General Buhari knows everyone of them. That is why they have sworn to use all means to stop him from returning to power and they have deployed their errand boys to several sections of the mass media, including Nairaland to attack Buhari. But God will not fail to give us the brave head of state to overthrow the wicked kleptomaniacs. The former head of state calling our lawmakers rogues has storey buildings in South Africa bought with misappropriated revenue allocations from 1999 to date. Every Nigerian engaged in illegal oil export is well known to the CIA and the SSS in Nigeria. They are members of the same club and many people here are even their employees and will go to church today to pay their tithes and give offerings from the salaries and contracts they received from their companies.

There is no President in Nigerian history worse than GEJ in regards to hiding lamely behind weak excuses to mitigate for inaction. "Leaner Government not possible" because of the constitution. Pathetic. You are indeed right that the corruption in the oil and gas sector currently is being carried out with the full backing of GEJ and his minions. They are beneficiaries and it is a disgrace to Nigeria that our C-In-C , with all the powers at his disposal, gets to pretend he is a victim also.

That is the point of this thread. Every Nigerian President firmly controls the oil and Gas sector. Some (OBJ) even make themselves Petroleum Minister. What you see is a direct reflection of the attitude of the President of the day towards the sector. Clearly GEJ's desire is to cynically loot as much as possible. The man reeks of corruption lately and we certainly don't need Einstien to make issues clear.

The man and all around him are simply very corrupt and his "Nigeria's problem started before me" jargon is not fooling anyone. It is his corruption and love of callously empowering criminal/corrupt elements , like OBJ, that is directly making the ND worse.

At the very least, doesn't this suggest to everyone that the amnesty programme is a colossal failure? Doesn't this call into question GEJ's wisdom in allocating more money to amnesty payments than the health sector?
Doesn't this call into question GEJ's 'wisdom' in handing a massive role in our coastal waterways security to a company headed by Tom Polo, a former MEND commander?

No matter which way anyone wants to spin it, the blame doesn't stop too far from GEJ's table.

texazzpete: At the very least, doesn't this suggest to everyone that the amnesty programme is a colossal failure? Doesn't this call into question GEJ's wisdom in allocating more money to amnesty payments than the health sector?
Doesn't this call into question GEJ's 'wisdom' in handing a massive role in our coastal waterways security to a company headed by Tom Polo, a former MEND commander?

No matter which way anyone wants to spin it, the blame doesn't stop too far from GEJ's table.

Very well-said Sir. Let the mischief makers and ethnic jingoist try their best effort at spin. There are many intelligent adults here not taken in by such crude and weasel-like tactics. The fact, for anyone not into self-deception, is that GEJ is is a corrupt player in the oil and gas sector and he is deliberately destroying the ND.

The example of Tompolo is a fine one. Such senseless inane conduct is one of the many reasons GEJ is now, by many, regarded as the "MEND President". It is also indicative of how GEJ is precisely like OBJ i.e keen to promote criminality everywhere, damagingly and far above its station, because of the belief it helps him consolidate overall control. No one should be shocked when our refineries are eventually conceded, for pittance, to cronies of GEJ because some of us see where things are going with the insane decision by GEJ for the NNPC, the home of corruption, to turn around our refineries in 24 months.

http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-silent-on-role-in-n155bn-oil-scandal/

Jonathan silent on role in N155bn oil scandal
May 25, 2012 by Our Correspondents 262 Comments
President Goodluck Jonathan

The Federal Government has refused to explain the role played by President Goodluck Jonathan and other government officials in a scandal allegedly involving government officials, Shell, ENI subsidiaries in Nigeria, a Nigerian oil firm and a former petroleum minister. However, on Thursday, the civil society and opposition parties criticized government’s silence, while also calling for a probe.

A report by the United States-based anti-corruption NGO, Global Witness, had said that Nigerian subsidiaries of both Shell and ENI agreed to pay $1.092bn to the Federal Government for oil block OPL 245.

The report entitled, “Shell’s obscure payments kill its case for weak US and EU transparency laws”, further alleged that the Federal Government then paid the entire N155bn to Malabu Oil and Gas, a company owned by Mr. Dan Etete, a former oil minister under the late General Sani Abacha.

An online news medium, PREMIUM TIMES, in a follow up on its earlier version of a report on Thursday, had stated that money was paid on the order of Jonathan.

It also alleged that the money was a slush fund, “with a huge chunk of it ending in bank accounts of cronies and business associates of government officials.”

Global Witness said documents in a New York court, stated that “…it does appear that the FGN (Federal Government of Nigeria) was indeed the proverbial “straw man” holding $1.1bn for ultimate payment to Malabu.”

Experts describe the process as round-tripping, adding that it is a tool widely used by corrupt government officials and businessmen for money laundering and tax evasion.

Efforts to get the President’s spokesman, Dr. Ruben Abati’s reaction to the money laundering allegation on Thursday were not successful, despite the sensitive nature of the allegation.

When called, Abati did not pick his mobile phone neither did he respond to an SMS send to him, asking for the Presidency’s reaction on the matter.

The report alleged that the President had instructed the Minister of State for Finance, Dr. Yerima Ngama, and Attorney General of the Federation, Mr. Mohammed Adoke (SAN) to pay the money to Malabu.

When contacted, the Chief Press Secretary to the Minister of State for Finance, Mallam M. Nakoji, said he could not comment on the N155bn money laundering controversy since he was not familiar with the issue.

He said the minister could not be reached because he (Ngama) was in Port-Harcourt attending a meeting.

He, however, promised to get the response of the minister on Friday. Repeated calls put across to the minister was not picked. Similarly, a text message sent to him at 4:03pm was not replied.

Also, efforts to get a reaction from the AGF were not successful as at the time of filing this report.

Our correspondent could not see the Minister when he called at his office in the Ministry of Justice.

The AGF’s Chief Press Secretary, Mr. Ambrose Momoh, who was also not in the office at the time our correspondent visited, did not respond to calls on his mobile telephone. A text message sent to him was not replied.

Gbawe:


Guy, frankly, what are you talking about? This is pathetic. I would never have put you as one of those who don't know when to graciously shun pedantism or blind argument for the sake of it. There is no point going back and forth with you because the article makes it obvious that whatever good things Oronto Douglas said about GEJ publicly was not a reflection of his true feeling. When he spoke privately he damningly claimed

Why do you then even continue to speak? What is your point and what is more injurious than the submission GEJ is part of the problem of the ND? Indeed, is the utterance of Oronto Douglas not borne out by the topic of this thread i.e the proliferation of corruption and criminality in the ND under GEJ? Guy, stop this senseless back and forth.

You called it pathetic, a senseless back and forth arguement . .but yet you have stylishly dodged all simple questions raised . . . .answer then satisfactorily then label them senseless and i won't complain . .I promise you that . . .

Let's assume Douglas said all of that from the wikileak . .it doesn't change the fact that the purported link you referenced had an erroneous presentation that will squash all credibility it carries . . . . .

You expect me to be magnanimous in accepting your position while you in the same stead have refused to acknowledged mine . . .if someone presented that article to you in defence of a position you oppose with those consistent flaws . . .what will be your response ?

Your recent attempt to desperately marry Oronto Douglas "Presumed" personal opinion about a "corrupt GEJ" and your thread which has to deal with the festering age long oil bunkering boom in the Niger Delta is weak . . . . . Is this a stealth reply to the strategic oil bunkering plan you implied ? . . .

texazzpete: At the very least, doesn't this suggest to everyone that the amnesty programme is a colossal failure? Doesn't this call into question GEJ's wisdom in allocating more money to amnesty payments than the health sector?

Depends on your definition of collosal failure . . .Yes for failure in stemming criminality in the creeks . .but in terms of the amnesty, ensuring the unrest doesn't cripple the industry like it did during the armed struggle is still very much a success . . .A huge chunk of our budget is derived that sector hence must run smoothly to manage the nation's economy even including our political rouges . . .

texazzpete:
Doesn't this call into question GEJ's 'wisdom' in handing a massive role in our coastal waterways security to a company headed by Tom Polo, a former MEND commander ?

One of those decisions of GEJ i did not support . . . . .

texazzpete:

No matter which way anyone wants to spin it, the blame doesn't stop [size=18pt]too far from[/size] GEJ's table.

No one is spinning anything to extricate GEJ from any blame . . .Any government of day should take some blame about the never ending crude theft criminality in the sector and the region . . .but what am against is trying so hard to pin this solely on GEJ by claiming it to be a strategic plan [/b]by Allison and GEJ . . . . . . .That to me doesn't hold water . . .It's like blaming the deep rooted bribery tradition of the Nigerian police [b]squarely on the government . . .

jmaine:

Depends on your definition of collosal failure . . .Yes for failure in stemming criminality in the creeks . .but in terms of the amnesty, ensuring the unrest doesn't cripple the industry like it did during the armed struggle is still very much a success . . .A huge chunk of our budget is derived that sector hence must run smoothly to manage the nation's economy even including our political rouges . . .



One of those decisions of GEJ i did not support . . . . .



No one is spinning anything to extricate GEJ from any blame . . .Any government of day should take some blame about the never ending crude theft criminality in the sector and the region . . .but what am against is trying so hard to pin this solely on GEJ by claiming it to be a strategic plan [/b]by Allison and GEJ . . . . . . .That to me doesn't hold water . . .It's like blaming the deep rooted bribery tradition of the Nigerian police [b]squarely on the government . . .

Nobody can pin this solely on GEJ, but he's the guy in place right now to ensure this doesn't happen. What is he doing?
Shell released a press statement not long ago complaining about the dire effects of this illegal bunkering. Why has there been no statement of intent from the presidency?

Jmaine, answer this question honestly...which is more important 1) Going to town on Buhari for his 'dogs and baboons' story or 2) Coming out to reassure the nation of steps you plan to take to curb an illegal activity that steals billions of dollars from the nation yearly and heavily pollutes the environment?

At some point GEJ's gooing to have to gather his balls together and take steps to secure the future of this nation. Leaving the Niger Delta in the hands of the criminal elite (as he seems to be doing) will not help anyone, least of all his people.

jmaine:

You called it pathetic, a senseless back and forth arguement . .but yet you have stylishly dodged all simple questions raised . . . .answer then satisfactorily then label them senseless and i won't complain . .I promise you that . . .

Let's assume Douglas said all of that from the wikileak . .it doesn't change the fact that the purported link you referenced had an erroneous presentation that will squash all credibility it carries . . . . .

You expect me to be magnanimous in accepting your position while you in the same stead have refused to acknowledged mine . . .if someone presented that article to you in defence of a position you oppose with those consistent flaws . . .what will be your response ?

Your recent attempt to desperately marry Oronto Douglas "Presumed" personal opinion about a "corrupt GEJ" and your thread which has to deal with the festering age long oil bunkering boom in the Niger Delta is weak . . . . . Is this a stealth reply to the strategic oil bunkering plan you implied ? . . .

My guy, please refrain from lying. Because I deliberately ignored your "systematic plan" enquiry does not mean you should interprete it as "the strategic oil bunkering plan you implied". I never implied such. Next time, wait for an answer before you make rash conclusions. If you don't get an answer, then let it go. Don't become like other mischief makers who go around deliberately misconstruing what others write to sway debates.

If you must know, by "systematic plan", I am referring to GEJ cynically using oil and gas wealth to create a power base he can use, now and in the future, for several purposes. That is indeed the point of the article and the submission of Oniwon when he surmised that rich oil thieves are now becoming more powerful at kingmaking. Regression surely, i.e criminals and thieves producing the ruling class, and damaging for the ND in an age where cream should be allowed to float to the top.

It is obvious that GEJ is a keen student of the tactics deemed, by "do or die" politicians, to be effective kingmaking tools in Nigeria i.e money and brawns. Marry both together (enrich and empower criminals and 'strong men') and you get a potent combination that can bully individuals into power. These tactics aided Boko Haram and MEND to become what they did. No one should ignore what is going on now (i.e GEJ doing an Odili) to then be portraying themselves and their region victims tomorrow when events playing out before our eyes shows the ND is being sabotaged by GEJ. Let adults accept responsibilities for their own failings.

Bamanga Tukur, Sylva out for Dickson (assured future delegate votes) are all part of the "systematic plan". GEJ is doing exactly what OBJ did damaging his own region deliberately because he is callously chasing , at the expense of other issues, the consolidation of a power base he believes only certain things can deliver. Look at all GEJ's appointment (Adoke bello for example) and you will see a penchant for OBJ-style empowerment of 'loyal' cronies, never mind the damage they will do, in preference of seeking the best hands to the benefit of Nigeria. You are not blind not to see how militants, under GEJ, are the new kids on the block now able to insult a whole ethnic group while GEJ looks on in harmful silence.

Look, think what you wan't and make any assumptions. I am not realy concerned and this was why I ignored what you said initially. I only responded when you now try to quote me wrongly. I have not "stylishly dodged all simple questions". I am just not interested in indulging those automatically inclined to say A when those they talk to say B. OBJ 'imprisoned' the SW and mired it in gansterism for his own selfish ambitions. Same is going on under GEJ, in regards to the ND, and upright Nigerians, wherever they are from, have no problem admitting such because it is terribly obvious !!! Indeed Texazzpete does so above when he wrote what he did that I quote below. It is pointless always portraying GEJ as an 'innocent bystander' when adult reasoning should make us aware certain things should not/cannot happen under a serious and sincere C-in-C.

At some point GEJ's gooing to have to gather his balls together and take steps to secure the future of this nation. Leaving the Niger Delta in the hands of the criminal elite (as he seems to be doing) will not help anyone, least of all his people.

texazzpete:

Nobody can pin this solely on GEJ, but he's the guy in place right now to ensure this doesn't happen. What is he doing?

Agreed

texazzpete:

Jmaine, answer this question honestly...which is more important 1) Going to town on Buhari for his 'dogs and baboons' story or 2) Coming out to reassure the nation of steps you plan to take to curb an illegal activity that steals billions of dollars from the nation yearly and heavily pollutes the environment?

Honestly, The going to town on "Buhari dogs and baboon" was very necessary . .considering the already heated up polity . . . You never can tell what that singular 'Presumed" harmless speech can result to in the nearest future . . .

And yes coming out to reassure the nation of steps needed to curtail the illegal bunkering activity and it's resultant environmental degradation is also priority. . . . We all know churning out master plan is not enough . .but in the action itself . .if turning out master plan was all it needed . .then the current administration will be giving "A" ratings in regards to that . . .

texazzpete: What is he doing?

Though more stern checks need to be in place . . .There were measures put in place to control the illegal activities . . .but the lure for mega cash and our endemic corruption diluted it's impacts . . .Like:-

The Niger Delta community were employed and deployed to protect the pipe lines . .[b]am sure it was part of the grand plan to stop this illegal activity from taking place . .cos the opinion that no one knows the community better than the indigenes holds sway . . .but off course . .the lure for mega cheap crude proceeds prolly defeated that noble move . . .an opportunity to also hammer big time prolly came into play . .hence the increased activity . . .

The JTF, arguably the most professional security outfit have also been alleged to be active participants in the bunkering feast . . . So who do you turn to ? . . .A Dilemma i guess

[size=14pt]Also to note[/size] =====> The Airforce base in Benin do carry out daily surveillance monitoring of the coastal areas and environs even to the EEZ limits to stem the bunkering activities . .maybe they need to increase their period to cover for the dark hours before dawn

texazzpete: At some point GEJ's gooing to have to gather his balls together and take steps to secure the future of this nation. Leaving the Niger Delta in the hands of the criminal elite (as he seems to be doing) will not help anyone, least of all his people.

Agreed . . .

Gbawe:

My guy, please refrain from lying. Because I deliberately ignored your "systematic plan" enquiry does not mean you should interprete it as "the strategic oil bunkering plan you implied". I never implied such. Next time, wait for an answer before you make rash conclusions.

Next time clear the air in a prompt and timely fashion, so that peeps get to really know what you were saying . .choosing to keep quiet did not serve you well . .and as for the lying part . . .i did skip that part for now . .

Gbawe:

If you must know, by "systematic plan", I am referring to GEJ cynically using oil and gas wealth to create a power base he can use, now and in the future, for several purposes. That is indeed the point of the article and the submission of Oniwon when he surmised that rich oil thieves are now becoming more powerful at kingmaking. Regression surely, i.e criminals and thieves producing the ruling class, and damaging for the ND in an age where cream should be allowed to float to the top.

Another prompt clarification is required from you bruv . . . .Merging both flow of thoughts . . .

Is GEJ using the oil bunkering activity (which this thread seeks to address) to consolidate his political power ? . . .

Gbawe:

It is obvious that GEJ is a keen student of the tactics deemed, by "do or die" politicians, to be effective kingmaking tools in Nigeria i.e money and brawns.

Show me any politician in Nigeria who doesn't safe guard his political future by ensuring the processes soothes him . . .mind naming them for us . . .

Gbawe:

Marry both together (enrich and empower criminals and 'strong men') and you get a potent combination that can bully individuals into power.

In the context of this thread . .Oil bunkering . . . More clarification . . .

Gbawe:


Bamanga Tukur, Sylva out for Dickson (assured future delegate votes) are all part of the "systematic plan". GEJ is doing exactly what OBJ did damaging his own region deliberately because he is callously chasing , at the expense of other issues, the consolidation of a power base he believes only certain things can deliver. Look at all GEJ's appointment (Adoke bello for example) and you will see a penchant for OBJ-style[b] empowerment of 'loyal' cronies, never mind the damage they will do, in preference of seeking the best hands to the benefit of Nigeria.[/b] You are not blind not to see how militants, under GEJ, are the new kids on the block now able to insult a whole ethnic group while GEJ looks on in harmful silence.

Am yet to see any politician who doesn't appoint loyal cronies . . .Guess Ribadu is a loyal crony as well, who was appointed to also wreck the Project "Nigeria" . . .

As for dokubo et al., . .they are all entitled to their opinions the way we all are entitled to our opinions here . . .

Gbawe:

Look, think what you wan't and make any assumptions. I am not realy concerned and this was why I ignored what you said initially. I only responded when you now try to quote me wrongly. I have not "stylishly dodged all simple questions". I am just not interested in indulging those automatically inclined to say A when those they talk to say B. OBJ 'imprisoned' the SW and mired it in gansterism for his own selfish ambitions. Same is going on under GEJ, in regards to the ND, and upright Nigerians, wherever they are from, have no problem admitting such because it is terribly obvious !!! Indeed Texazzpete does so above when he wrote what he did that I quote below. It is pointless always portraying GEJ as an 'innocent bystander' when adult reasoning should make us aware certain things should not/cannot happen under a serious and sincere C-in-C.

Again no one is portraying him as a saint . .no political office holder is a saint in Nigeria then why should i. . . talking about gangsterism . . .Should we also say the recent violent NURTW skirmishes in lagos and the recent gang wars in Lagos is a direct indictment of the ACN led government . .

Gbawe: This is why I laugh when immature adults, who have failed to grow up, shout "seperation" everyday when everything we are seeing , and the stark reality on the ground, shows that many would simply be worse off with how they will entirely be at the mercy of a local and very ruthless criminal class.

Still, I guess it is romantic for self-delusional adults , without engaging pragmatic and practical reasoning, to pontificate that they will be better off once on their own.

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Gbawe,
Ok.GEJ is corrupt,clueless,and worst president ever but what of Tinubu ?
I know my opinion of you does not matter but folks like me will start to take you serious when you begin to condemn the actions, activities, and policies of ACN and not play the politics of 'us' and 'them '

As a told some ACN folks on facebook today,there is no good politicians,it's just a question of comparative badness !

lateef4me: Gbawe,
Ok.GEJ is corrupt,clueless,and worst president ever but what of Tinubu ?
I know my opinion of you does not matter but folks like me will start to take you serious when you begin to condemn the actions, activities, and policies of ACN and not play the politics of 'us' and 'them '

As a told some ACN folks on facebook today,there is no good politicians,it's just a question of comparative badness !

My brother, are you for real? What are you mentioning Tinubu for? Do you ever see Britons mentioning Tony Blair today regarding anything David Cameron is doing wrong? Is Tinubu the President of Nigeria? What executive power does Tinubu have to deliver the Nigeria me and you want?

At worst, let Lagosians complain about Tinubu and let all Nigerians be free to confront a grossly incompetent President. It is pointless trying to deflect genuine criticism away from GEJ with the mention of Tinubu, Buhari, EL Rufai and others who are, in no way, preventing Jonathan from delivering for Nigerians.

Gbawe:

My brother, are you for real? What are you mentioning Tinubu for? Do you ever see Britons mentioning Tony Blair today regarding anything David Cameron is doing wrong? Is Tinubu the President of Nigeria? What executive power does Tinubu have to deliver the Nigeria me and you want?

At worst, let Lagosians complain about Tinubu and let all Nigerians be free to confront a grossly incompetent President. It is pointless trying to deflect genuine criticism away from GEJ with the mention of Tinubu, Buhari, EL Rufai and others who are, in no way, preventing Jonathan from delivering for Nigerians.

Said the snake, about a cobra!
Bloody hypocrite!

lateef4me: Gbawe,
Ok.GEJ is corrupt,clueless,and worst president ever but what of Tinubu ?
I know my opinion of you does not matter but folks like me will start to take you serious when you begin to condemn the actions, activities, and policies of ACN and not play the politics of 'us' and 'them '

As a told some ACN folks on facebook today,there is no good politicians,it's just a question of comparative badness !

I am with you. ACN, PDP, Stand-Politicians that are thieves are thieves. Those that are nincompoops are nincompoops and those that are incompetent are incompetent, and should all be condemned.

Kobojunkie:


I am with you. ACN, PDP, Stand-Politicians that are thieves are thieves. Those that are nincompoops are nincompoops and those that are incompetent are incompetent, and should all be condemned.

While that is true, you should take the advise you often dish out to others when you implore them to stick to the topic. Why should a topic concerning oil thieves in the ND , deleteriously using ill-gotten gains to determine the political leaders of the region , and perhaps Nigeria at large, include a criticism of Tinubu? Why for god sake?

These folks (Lateef4me, Alethia et al) are just, as usual, submitting their usual distractive thread-derailing antics they assume helps GEJ's case. Show consistency and ask them to focus on the thread topic as you do elsewhere. Criticising Tinubu and others may be appropriate elsewhere but it has nothing to do with the topic under discussion here.

lateef4me: Gbawe,
Ok.GEJ is corrupt,clueless,and worst president ever but what of Tinubu ?
I know my opinion of you does not matter but folks like me will start to take you serious when you begin to condemn the actions, activities, and policies of ACN and not play the politics of 'us' and 'them '

As a told some ACN folks on facebook today,there is no good politicians,it's just a question of comparative badness !

I am with you 100% .

ACN, PDP, Stand-alone politicians that are thieves are thieves. Those that are nincompoops are nincompoops and those that are incompetent are incompetent, and should all be condemned.

I, like you, will never take seriously anyone whose tongue is stuck to the arse of any one, or more, of these criminals in office or jumps to take sides when these criminals come out to play. How do you expect someone whose tongue is stuck firmly to the arse of any of those criminals to see past all that?

My brother, are you for real? What are you mentioning Tinubu for? Do you ever see Britons mentioning Tony Blair today regarding anything David Cameron is doing wrong? Is Tinubu the President of Nigeria? What executive power does Tinubu have to deliver the Nigeria me and you want?

At worst, let Lagosians complain about Tinubu and let all Nigerians be free to confront a grossly incompetent President. It is pointless trying to deflect genuine criticism away from GEJ with the mention of Tinubu, Buhari, EL Rufai and others who are, in no way, preventing Jonathan from delivering for Nigerians.

Gbawe,
My posting on this thread is not to derail the subject matter here but to call your attention to your credibility on nairaland which I believe will be at the lowest now .I have observed that you won't condemn anything relating to ACN as if your posts here are been monitored .Even if you are a card carrying member of ACN ,that shouldn't prevent you from disagreeing with ACN and starting a thread to that effect as you consistently do with anything relating to PDP.

While thanking you for not abusing me,do you trust Tinubu enough to confirm he's not among the oil thieves we are discussing here ?

lateef4me: While thanking you for not abusing me,do you trust Tinubu enough to confirm he's not among the oil thieves we are discussing here ?

Even if he is, what has that got to do with the notion of oil thieves in the Niger Delta growing influential enough to call the shots as per who gains political office? Even if we generally dislike IBB, did you see me and others talking about him when we dissected the issue of how OBJ supported an agenda that promoted criminals and thugs into powerful positions throughout the SW? Did you see me , for example, distractively mention Atiku when Jonathan cynically failed to curb the legislative gansterism excess of Gbenga Daniel in Ogun State? Let us learn to keep focus and stick within the ambits of the debate. You should introduce this obsession with Tinubu elsewhere. Not here.

lateef4me:
Gbawe,
My posting on this thread is not to derail the subject matter here but to call your attention to your credibility on nairaland which I believe will be at the lowest now .I have observed that you won't condemn anything relating to ACN as if your posts here are been monitored .Even if you are a card carrying member of ACN ,that shouldn't prevent you from disagreeing with ACN and starting a thread to that effect as you consistently do with anything relating to PDP.

You simply get me totally wrong if you think I post here for the sake of anyone regarding me as "credible". I am here, like most, to gain and contribute knowledge towards the collective political development of all of us so we can grow to demand better leadership from the ruling class. I should not be deemed an 'authority' here, of any kind whatsoever, if we are not a people totally indoctrinated by a culture that seeks 'deities' everywhere to include the search of voices more 'credible' than that of others on an anonymous chat forum. If I have zero credibility here, so what? Do my kids love me less? Am I your President? Can I even do anything official to influence events?

All I can contribute is information. Accept that and stop trying to make me something I do not seek to be because of how Nigerians slavishly enjoy seeking leaders everywhere when there is no need for that and when they should understand they are also leaders. Enjoy the forum and stop this nonsense of holding some posters to a higher degree of responsibility. It is silly and too many of you do it.

Gbawe:

Even if he is, what has that got to do with the notion of oil thieves in the Niger Delta growing influential enough to call the shots as per who gains political office? Even if we generally dislike IBB, did you see me and others talking about him when we dissected the issue of how OBJ supported an agenda that promoted criminals and thugs into powerful positions throughout the SW? Did you see me , for example, distractively mention Atiku when Jonathan cynically failed to curb the legislative gansterism excess of Gbenga Daniel in Ogun State? Let us learn to keep focus and stick within the ambits of the debate. You should introduce this obsession with Tinubu elsewhere. Not here. ...

Wouldn't that simply make Tinubu one of the oil thieves in the Niger Delta, stealing like hell to become a kingmaker?
Please don't insult me even though your credibility and manners are poor. I'm just voicing an opinion. Thank you.