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It is clear that the stories in the Quran are not revelation but plagiarized stories from a number of other sources. Most of the people who bring this up are Christians or other Non-Muslim theists but they have a good point. If you look at the Quran in historic context and study the exegesis of its teachings, it becomes obvious that aside from its constant claims that "God is great", lawgiving and bigotry against the "Infidel", it is little more than a compilation of borrowed stories from Arabian myths, folk tales, Buddhist legends, the Jewish Talmud, Midrash, and apocryphal works as well as Gnostic gospels and other apocryphal Christian tales. There is more plagiarism in the Quran than in the Book of Mormon, and that's saying something!

Some of the stories in the Quran were borrowed third hand such as the tale of Mary and the Fig Tree which seems to have originated in a Buddhist legend and was later borrowed by the Gnostics. The same is true of the talking infant Jesus which was originally a story about Buddha that was again borrowed by the Gnostics. Given that Muhammad thought Jesus Mother Mary was Aaron's sister Miriam and therefore Moses' sister too, it seems Muhammad was a bit confused. That would make Mary something like 1200 years old when she gave birth to Jesus (assuming that any of this ever happened). Muslims claim that the Quran is perfect and if you can find one fault in it, the whole thing is disproved. Well, I think we have a winner. Many of the stories were well known to Muhammad and his contemporaries. One of his favorite concubines was a Christian. So, he didn't get any revelations. He was just a common thief, or rather an uncommon thief since he was so successful with his plagiarism.

some elements of Zoroastrianism are found in Islam. Zoroastrians were practicing the five daily prayers long before Islam hit the scene. The Sarat (or Serat) bridge is another name for the Chinvat Peretu ("bridge of separation") of the Gathas.

terrezo2002:
My friend, It is better you stop spilling trash. Only say what you are sure of

The name "Yahweh" = A rehash of the bloodthirsty Pagan god "Yaveilu" of Canaan and Babylon.

Man created from the clay or earth = A rehash of the Creation stories of Babylon and Egypt, where Marduk, chief among gods, creates humans out of his blood mixed with clay from the earth. In the Egyptian Creation Myth, the first man is made of clay on a potter's wheel.

Adam and Eve, forbidden fruit, and the loss of Immortality through a Snake = A rehash of the "Epic of Gilgamesh" which also includes "forbidden fruit" and in which Gilgamesh loses his immortality, stolen by a Snake!

The story of the Tower of Babel = A rehash of the Sumerian story of "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta."

The story of Noah = A rehash of the Chaldean Myth of a great flood where the "gods of Gilgamesh" want to destroy all of humanity.

The Old Testament Laws = Plaigarized from the "Code of Hammurabi" of Babylon AND from the 42 Laws of Maat. (Exodus 21:18-19 is plaigarized word for word).

The story of Samson and Delilah = A rehash of the story of "Enkidu and Shamhat" found in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The story of Jonah = A rehash of the Greek demigod Herakles (Hercules) who was also swallowed by a whale, and he too had departed from exactly the same town of "Joppa" just as Jonah did.


The Story of Joseph and Potipher's wife; Genesis Chapter 39. STOLEN from The Story of Anubis and Bata [Egyptian in origin].

The "Flood" is another ancient ALLEGORY that was STOLEN and corrupted from the original Pagan religions and has to do with the flood of energy during the working of the Magnum Opus, after which there are visions of colors indicating an important stage has passed. The allegory of the colors is where the Jewish scriptwriters got the "rainbow" and "Jacob's coat of colors" [the aura]. Allegories and CONCEPTS were STOLEN and corrupted into unsavory Jewish characters for Gentiles to slavishly worship. Sacred religious teachings intended for humanity to evolve spiritually were desecrated and replaced with Jewish literary trash. These FICTITIOUS Jewish characters have NOTHING whatsoever to do with spirituality or advancing one's soul.


He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him;
Prov. 13:24

STOLEN from:
"With-hold not thy son from the rod, else thou wilt not be able to save him from wickedness." Ahiqar 6:81

Through patience a ruler can be persuaded, and a gentle tongue can break a bone.
Prov. 25:15

STOLEN from:
Soft is the utterance of a king; yet it is sharper and stronger than a two-edged knife." Ahiqar 7:105
The Teachings of Amen-em-opet
Amen-em-opet, son of Ka-nakht, taught in Egypt between 1200 - 1000 BCE. The text is found in British Museum Papyrus 10474 and a portion on a writing tablet in Turin, Italy. The papyrus is said to have come from Thebes and is speculated to be of the 10th and 6th centuries BCE.

Parallels:

Pay attention and listen to the sayings of the wise; apply your heart to what I teach, for it is pleasing when you keep them in your heart and have all of them ready on your lips.
Prov. 17-18

STOLEN from:
Give they ears, hear what is said,
Give they heart to understand them
Let them rest in the casket of thy belly
That they may be a key in they heart."
Amen-em-opet 3:10

Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court.
Prov. 22:22

STOLEN from:
"Guard thyself against robbing the oppressed
And against overbearing the disabled."
Amen-em-opet 2:1

If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head and the Lord will reward you.
Prov. 25:21-22

STOLEN from:
"Leave him in the arms of the god;
Fill his belly with bread of thine
So that he may be sated and may be ashamed."
Amen-em-opet 5:8

Do not move and ancient boundry stone or encroach on the fields of the fatherless, for their Defender is strong; he will take up their case against you.
Prov. 23:10-11

STOLEN from:
"Do not carry off the landmark at the boundaries of the arable land
Nor disturb the position of the measuring cord
Be not greedy after a cubit of land
Nor encroach upon the boundaries of a widow."
Amen-em-opet 7:12-15

Demmzy15:
Some books in the bible contains pagan origins, Enuma Elish, Gilgamesh flood stories, etc

Abeg tell them .... all you brainwashed deceived human beings

you see the brainwashing of both the christian and islam faith

terrezo2002:
You left the truth to choose your own believe. You didn't believe the Bible, but believed in some other texts.
People who think they are smart always end in shame.
The Bible is so clear and simple. It is not hidden to you. It is translated into many languages, yet you left it to read books you don't know the source. Continue

See this mumu i am trying to explain were the original stories of adam,noah were stolen from , stolen from original myths and stories predating the koran and bible by over 1000 years most of what is written in the bible and koran are plaigarised from other stories, believing myths and fairy tale stories that dont exist and never existed

terrezo2002:
Yes I do. Do you also believe man returns to the dust?

That story was adapted from earlier accounts before it
Is the Bible and Koran historically accurate?
The Genesis part of Bible lists 10 generations from Adam, its first man, to Noah, who escaped a deluge, and states of these 10 generations to cover thousands of years. It would be really naive to believe that these ten generations actually lived for that many years. So, the ‘mathematical’ statements of the Bible such as [“Shem was born to Noah when Noah was 500 years old”, “Adam died at an age of 930 years”] or such as the one that says that there were 480 years between the beginning of the Exodus and the start of construction of Solomon's temple are completely erroneous and can be ignored right at the outset.
From the deciphered cuneiform tablets available from the extensive clay tablets library of Ashur Banipal and as also dug up from around Eridu (modern-day Abu Shahrein, Iraq), the oldest of Sumerian cities, we now know the ancient Sumerian texts such as the Eridu Genesis, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the list of Sumerian kings. By going through these texts that precede the Biblical texts by thousands of years, any half-intelligent man can tell that the Genesis of Bible is nothing but a rehash of these Sumerian accounts. So, Adam of Bible seems to be fashioned after Alulim, the first Mesopotamian king (at Eridu) who descended from the heavens (the mountains), just as Noah seems be fashioned after Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, during whose time a deluge was caused by the waters of Euphrates River. Even from after Noah, up to Abraham, Bible gives 10 generations that span hundreds of years. So, the list from Adam to Noah in the Genesis is nothing but only a later forgery to lend some antiquity to the Bible and is a copy of an early Sumerian lineage (Alulim to Utnapishtim). It is simply prefixed to a possibly-real genealogy from Shem up to Abraham.

omo how do i remove this from my profile now : "I believe that there is no god/God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet."

I no believe any damn conspiracy from mans imaginations

terrezo2002:
There is one God, let no atheist decieve you. Worship Him alone through His Son Jesus Christ who died to save you from your sins and He rose again sitting at the right hand side of His Father. Your guide is the Holy Spirit of truth. You will never be confused if you have Him in you. God bless you

Do you believe the Bible and koran story of man being formed from clay and mud

Olumaeme:
Congratulations and welcome back from religious and mental health slavery.

There's no God anywhere, and religion is arrant nonsense,... God does not exist, human beings only created Thr impression of God probably to teach morals which has even been lost in this world of today and religions people are the biggest criminals in The world today.

Lets come to think of it, with all this questions

1. The Bible said, anybody who do not believe in Jesus as the savior of The world cannot go to heaven, which automatically means all Muslims are going to hell, so as Muslims think who doesn't believe muhammed is going to hell too... Is that not confusion?

2. Religion has bring hate and war to humanity, in the Bible isrealites go to war to kill people, those people they were killing, who created them? Is God that wicked?

3. See all the tribulations people are going through, with all the prayers and cries, is it not enough for God to answer them and make the world free of evil?

4. Bible says God sent Lucifer away from heaven to the earth, why not him just kill him and leave us to enjoy our lives in Thr purported paradise? Will you dark that to your own son?

5. When God created Adam and eve, they gave birth to Cain and Abel and daughters, how then did The world get populated? Did they sleep with themselves?

As I have said, there is no God, open your eyes and u see you are making the right decisions....

Spot on brother you are making so much sense

Eno38151:
Why are you on this post??

For anyone to post here they must affirm that yhey are muslim (which you obviously are not).

Why dont you like hanging around with your ilk... Why indulge in matters that are none of your concern?

Bros all i said is it not tue,religions like islam and christianity are blatant lies and imaginary myths, all plaigarised from earlier sources.
Do you believe that ridiculous story that man was created from mud or sand

my brother Islam is basically a mix between Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and some other pagan religions ( Meccan pagans, Sabians etc. ). There's also a lot of mythological stories in the Quran that used to circulate in Arabia which Muhammad made the mistake of incorporating into the Islamic canon. You can easily see this is not a religion from God when you look at these facts objectively.

Circling the Kaaba 7 times ( pagan ritual the meccans did )
Kissing the black stone ( As the meccans did )
Praying 5 times a day ( which the Sabians did )
The whole act of the pilgrimage to Kaaba and traveling between the two hills 7 times which Muslims do today was a pagan practice preformed by the meccans.
Fasting on the 10th day of Muharram was also a pagan practice which Muhammad incorporated into Islam.


All the ceremonies of the hajj (pilgrimage in the month of Dhu'l-Hejja) and the 'amra (supererogatory or lesser pilgrimage), such as the wearing of a seamless white robe, the kissing or touching of the black stone, the running between Sata and Marwa, the halt at Aratat, and the pebblethrowing (symbolic stoning of the Satan), had been practiced in the pre- Islamic period and were retained with only a few modifications. The pagan Arabs, while circumambulating the Ka'ba, used to call out to Lat, Ozza, Manat, or any other idol that their tribe revered, "Here I am at your service (labbayka), O Manat!" or whichever. Under Islam, the call to an idol was replaced by the call to God (Allahomma), and the formula became labbayka Allahomma labbayka

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The entire bible is rife with historical errors, it's hard to just name a few major ones in such a short space.

For starters, there was never a global flood. The human population didn't come from just two people, and certainly was as never low as 8 (the claimed number from the Noahide flood myth)- scientific analysis of our genes shows that the human population couldn't have dropped below around 1500 unrelated individuals and still have the genetic diversity we see now.

The Jews were never held as slaves in Egypt, thus no Exodus. They were never even IN Egypt en masse, and the Egyptians of the pharaonic period didn't have slaves as suggested in the bible. The monuments of the pharaohs were build by farmers and similar workers in the flood season of the Nile. There is not only zero evidence of the Jews there, but corroborating evidence (from other historical tribes of the Levant area, language analysis, etc) that the Jews never left the Levant at all. There is no evidence of an Exodus of a million odd people as claimed in the bible, and in fact many of the places cited didn't exist until centuries after the time period. The Exodus account was an eighth century BCE justification narrative for a land war with Egypt.

The Jewish "kingdom" of David and Solomon was nowhere near the size claimed- it was a minor tribal area at best, and even that's a bit shaky. There was no Soddom and Gomorrah- no other culture ever mentioned these allegedly large and prosperous cities, and no trace has been found in the area claimed.

The Gospels are even full of historical problems. Even if one discounts the utter lack of contemporary evidence for Jesus or any of his supposed miracles, there are other issues. The census NEVER required anyone to go to town of origin of their lineage- that would have collapsed the economy of the Empire. Roman censuses counted just the head of household IN their household- they were for tax purposes, so they cared where you lived, not where you came from. They were also done by province, not empire-wide, and usually subcontracted to the publicans. Further, Matthew states that Jesus was born under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE. Luke claims it was during the census of Israel conducted when Quirinius was governor of Syria- a post he did not take until 6CE, 10 YEARS after Herod the Great died. So both Matthew and Luke contradict themselves- the census literally could not have occurred at the same time as Herod was alive, yet both describe them as simultaneous. Luke also says that Augustus Caesar decreed "all the world should be registered", which is false.

Herod the Great never slaughtered infants as described in Matthew- despite there being many chroniclers of Herod's abuses, this little gem appears NOWHERE but the bible. Even Flavius Josephus, who extensively recorded Herod's evils, mentioned nothing of this event, which he would have if it actually occurred.

There were many minor errors showing the Gospel writers (Greeks, for the most part) had no clue of the geography of the area- like the story of the Gadarine swine, which Jesus supposedly drove into the Sea of Galilee, despite Gadera being kilometers from the sea. And that's just Matthew, since Mark's said "Gerasa", which was 30 kilometers away. Mark's descriptions of Jesus' movements made no geographical sense and are at times impossible.

No historians of the time, despite living in the area, ever recorded any major earthquakes or skies going black as was claimed happened during Jesus' death.

Interestingly, early scholars that even mentioned what early Christians believed- like Tacitus, Philo, Pliny, Suetonius, Epictectus, Cluvius Rufus, Quintus, Curtis Rufus, Josephus, the Roman Consul, Publius Petronius- never mentioned any crucifixion. In fact, the crucifixion seemed to be unknown even to early Christians until the Second Century!

The trials would never have occurred as claimed in the bible, either. Rather hilariously, a nineteenth century scholar, Rabbi Wise, searched the then-extant records of Pilate's court to find a record of Jesus' trial and found nothing. Pilate was depicted by the Gospels as a good man who only reluctantly agreed to the condemnation of Jesus- but history shows he was cruel and corrupt. It was a likely attempt after the First Jewish revolt to place blame on the Jews, rather than the old tradition of blaming Rome for all their ills. The Romans also had no custom of releasing a prisoner at Passover, and Pilate was known to be far too ruthless to have ever caved to a mob (in fact, there are many records of him brutally subduing mobs). Never mind that it was claimed in the Passion narrative that the Sanhedrin met on Passover night to have Jesus arrested and condemned- when in reality the Sanhedrin were forbidden by Jewish law to meet during Passover at all.

The Genesis part of Bible lists 10 generations from Adam, its first man, to Noah, who escaped a deluge, and states of these 10 generations to cover thousands of years. It would be really naive to believe that these ten generations actually lived for that many years. So, the ‘mathematical’ statements of the Bible such as [“Shem was born to Noah when Noah was 500 years old”, “Adam died at an age of 930 years”] or such as the one that says that there were 480 years between the beginning of the Exodus and the start of construction of Solomon's temple are completely erroneous and can be ignored right at the outset.

From the deciphered cuneiform tablets available from the extensive clay tablets library of Ashur Banipal and as also dug up from around Eridu (modern-day Abu Shahrein, Iraq), the oldest of Sumerian cities, we now know the ancient Sumerian texts such as the Eridu Genesis, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the list of Sumerian kings. By going through these texts that precede the Biblical texts by thousands of years, any half-intelligent man can tell that the Genesis of Bible is nothing but a rehash of these Sumerian accounts. So, Adam of Bible seems to be fashioned after Alulim, the first Mesopotamian king (at Eridu) who descended from the heavens (the mountains), just as Noah seems be fashioned after Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, during whose time a deluge was caused by the waters of Euphrates River. Even from after Noah, up to Abraham, Bible gives 10 generations that span hundreds of years. So, the list from Adam to Noah in the Genesis is nothing but only a later forgery to lend some antiquity to the Bible and is a copy of an early Sumerian lineage (Alulim to Utnapishtim). It is simply prefixed to a possibly-real genealogy from Shem up to Abraham.

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