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WeissVonner:
I'm talking about what happened before they even got in the bubble when players were considering boycotting the season.

"Saw some reports about execs and agents wanting to cancel season?? That’s absolutely not true. Nobody I know saying anything like that. As soon as it’s safe we would like to finish our season. I’m ready and our team is ready. Nobody should be canceling anything. "-This was LeBron on twitter. He pushed for the season resuming when players like Kyrie wanted to end it saying he believes he can make a difference while playing. Pat Bev came out and said something in the vein of if LeBron is playing then most players are playing.

And even in the bubble this is what happened according to Shams.

"Sources: LeBron James walked out of Wednesday’s players meeting because he supported Bucks, supported boycott, but there was no plan. For James, actions and outcomes mattered most; otherwise why do this? He became comfortable to play once NBPA mapped out purpose and plans."

Stop pedaling false narratives.

You're overrating LeNomad's role in all of this is the point. Nobody is playing because he wanted to play. This is still the long and short of the argument. When it came down to it in the bubble it was still his team that were one of those that wanted out of the bubble. This is fact.

WeissVonner:
Lol! The NBA finals has never aired in October and during football season. The NBA's ratings have been steadily declining for a variety of factors for a few years now. Then there is the political aspect of things. As for their legacies on court, thats subjective, but its not close IMO.

You guys are relentless with the excuses at this point. Which Football was on air on Wednesday? Even hockey is over so why is the NBA Finals ratings lower than a documentary on events that took place 22 years ago.

Two of the biggest media markets in the league are playing the NBA Finals with nothing else on TV yet the Finals still did poverty numbers

On court or off court the gap is insurmountable. It's even significantly worse off court because MJ was pretty much bigger than the game.

WeissVonner:
What myth? They lost game 1 with Magic torching MJ. Started torching him in game 2 then they switched Pippen unto him for the rest of the series and they won every game after that. How is that a myth?

Lmaoo una fit kill person for this place.

Magic had as many shots as turnovers in a game they won by 2 but he was 'torching' MJ. Scott Storch ni.

In Game 2 the only reason he was off Magic was because of foul trouble. Arrrgh you people just pick up any myth and run with it. Pippen fouled out in Game 3. It was still MJ that was Magic's primary defender all through overtime and Magic went 0-0-0 with a turnover


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtj8ovhp48


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLa2NoCwUKY

If una repeat this lie 100 times e no fit still change to truth

WeissVonner:
Doesnt refute the fact that Pippen led him in those categories in the 6 finals they won. And its not just the per game stats, its the totality of the stats added together. He did all those things so MJ didnt have to focus on them.

I wouldn't even touch on the blocks and steals which are so infinitesimal they don't deserve any attention.

I have shown you that in 3 of 6 title wins MJ led in either points and rebounds or points and assists. The totality banter is an argument you have to have with yourself. If Pippen was doing his job like you claim then MJ should not still be leading in these categories 50% of the time

WeissVonner:
And what about teammates who cant create scoring for themselves? Who creates for them? Or are you lot going to start claiming MJ scored all those points himself?

MJ is arguably the greatest iso scorer in history. Pretty sure most of his buckets would have been unassisted. Besides MJ was a 6 assists per game guy. The guy averaged 11 asts in a Finals series before. Lets not act like passing was a weakness. Who set up Paxson and Kerr?

WeissVonner:
Lol! which year? no they didnt. The heat never made it past the second round without Bron. And wade and bosh were constantly injured in 2014 but bron still made it work.

They got to the same stage the Bulls did. Within a game of the Eastern Finals. Without Bosh!!

Wade and Bosh were constantly injured? Did they miss any game in 2014 playoffs? Please drop these excuses

WeissVonner:
Thats not the point. They at that age ran into Kobe and Shaq. Its about who you are as well as who you run into. And nobody ever claimed Scottie is better than MJ. Its about what he brought to the table that allowed MJ to be who he was more comfortably and also how great that bulls team was. He finished top 4 in MVP voting in 1994 BTW.

Doesn't matter. They could still have beaten them. Tim Duncan and David Robinson did. Tim Duncan was a baby in the league and Robinson was super washed at that point.

Scottie did not bring more than what a normal Robin should bring to the table. Don't compare him to the likes of a Wade who was winning whole ass rings

WeissVonner:
Only thing I fault her for is signing a prenup.

Meh. I don't endorse avarice and stealing.

She left her previous man for Dre and now trying to get 1.5m a month. A whole thief on the come up is what she is

WeissVonner:
He never needed that. With the way talent was spread out in the 90s the Bulls were by far the best team in the League. Plus Pippen was the perfect co star because he did all the things that Jordan didnt have to do and could focus on primarily scoring.

And yet Jordan always had to score insane percentages of points just for the Bulls to win. MJ is the only one who has 4 finishes in the top 10 most percentage of points scored by a player in the Finals.

Using your logic can we say LeNomad focuses primarily on assisting while AD does everything else. I mean AD literally does everything else better

WeissVonner:
Please dont even begin to speculate that he would 3 peat once, let alone twice in this era. Jordan with any big in the league is not beating the Golden state warriors with KD. Thing is with player mobility, theres always a new super team forming somewhere meant to beat you. This is an entirely different league. Nobody is ever going to go 6-0 again let alone 3 peat.

If MJ could hop from team to team every 3-4 years able to play with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Love, Kyrie, AD, Dwight etc he would win more rings than LeNomad has mustered this far.

Bron jumped ahead of this trend and started the whole movement of players in their primes hooking up. He has seen the good the bad and ugly of this trend but fortunately for him he is on the good end rn.

Jordan with a Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Prime Shaq, AD in tow will beat KD's Warriors. What are you on about??

It took a torn CP3 Hamstring and 27 missed 3's in a row for James Harden not to pull it off. If James Harden and CP3 of all People could take 3 games then you're dreaming if you believe the GOAT and any elite big is not beating Golden State even with KD

WeissVonner:
This is a straw man argument. Point is LeBron wanted the season to resume and pushed for that.

Pushed where? He pushed for Nada. His team literally voted not to be in the bubble and end the season FFS

What are you going to credit this man for next? Fire? Water? Get a grip

WeissVonner:
And it was also in the best interest of owners like MJ for them to play. Don't make it seem as if it was from the goodness of his heart.

But he mediated and saved the season. Your guy and his team didn't even want to continue the season

WeissVonner:
Lol! Space Jam is a huge franchise, easier to market. Why try to catch someone you've surpassed? strange.

You know I love the name of the sequel: A New Legacy.

Surpass in what? He's not caught him on the court never mind off court where he's doing more numbers despite being out the league almost 20 years. Check these NBA Finals ratings compared to his documentary. Compare his ratings to 98 when they were playing a small market team. Never mind the footwear. There are levels to this my dude

WeissVonner:
MJ was the golden boy of the league who was guarding undersized guards. Man had a few MVP votes after playing half a season. Of course he had more defensive votes. Its no myth that it was Pippen who consistently guarded the oppositions best players, could guard 1 to 4, maybe even 5. A good example is the 1991 finals when Magic was torching Jordans arse and they had to switch Pippen unto him and he slowed him down.

Ahh this infamous myth. Of Pippen guarding Magic when MJ entered foul trouble

WeissVonner:
If you add up the totality of their stats in the 6 playoffs they played together, Pippen led in rebounds assists steals and blocks. Its not a myth, its a fact.

What is there to add? I showed you in 3 of the Bulls 6 title winning seasons MJ led Pippen in at least two of the more important stats which erases your myth.

I am not really here for stat spamming style of stats compilation that jumbles everything with zero context. You even added steals and blocks where the difference was often in decimals

WeissVonner:
The best teams usually have the highest or close to the highest rebounding and assisting stats. These are precursors of success. A lot of times when analyzing a game and you see a team badly out rebounded or assisted you know they can't win.

Rebounds are the easiest stats to hunt in all of basketball. All true stats hogs know this, assists is about creating open looks but still the quality of your teammates count. Scoring boils down to you and it is 100% impossible to win a game without outscoring the opponent which is why scoring will always be the most important stats

WeissVonner:
Lol, no they didn't.

But they did. They lost Bosh and Wade in 14/15 so that don't count

WeissVonner:
Hakeem was 35/36, Barkley was 35/36, Pippen was 33/34 and they ran into Kobe and Shaq.

Younger than Duncan and Manu. Same age as the Celtics the Heatles were beating up. If you insist they were geriatric then the other two teams were geriatrics too

WeissVonner:
Well he constantly speaks out of both sides of his mouth. We heard old heads call him out when he said lebron was better than MJ and he capitulated.

Capitulated? You don't think his complete meltdown in that 2011 Finals changed that false take? Scottie has no reason to budge because of some old heads. He's not on MJ's payroll and you have haters like Isiah Thomas and Laimbeer who claim MJ ain't the GOAT, if Scottie really feels that way there is zero need to change his mind

Roland17:
Congrats Dr. Dre! I said a prayer for you tonight. More importantly, thank you to the Judge for dismissing her request for an initial $1.5M and a subsequent $5M for her lawyer fees...
#Keepyourchinup

Happy for the good doc. That woman a whole thief

chic2pimp:
I can't emphasise this well enough. They were absolutely dreadful. The least said about Eric the better

Bledsoe is mediocre. No be today. The Bucks extended the wrong bunch of guys and they might lose Giannis for it

chic2pimp:
Even if you hated the decision He took 4 summers ago, your stance should have softened a lot by now especially with the near Career ending injury He suffered. The pressure He would have been under to get back to the court if He had sustained that injury without any rings would have been immense.

He took the surest path to a ring. Potatoes gonna potate. If he can lead the Nets to a couple of Finals and by chance win Brooklyn their first ever ring. We now have a whole new conversation. I won't put him in the upper GOAT tier but if he delivers a ring or two in Brooklyn he will enter the conversation

chic2pimp:
If you transported those aforementioned players into the Current climes, you best bet they'll be falling over themselves trying to find a way to Link up to give themselves the best chance of winning. Malone for example i'm sure will do things differently if He could turn back time. He went to the Lakers but by time, it was too late.

It is still the mentality of the players that will determine the current clime. If you have a bunch of players who are not BFFS and plotting how to link up every other post season this would still not have happened.

Joining teams up to ring chase in your respective primes I just don't think would ever sit well with the mentality of those players today

raumdeuter:
The trophy is what counts to us not awards from votes

You even see one funny thing Kimmich was voted as a midfielder and as a defender

That's the confusion of these awards. Müller was in the forwards and midfielders vote as well.

Suprised Kimpembe didn't scratch top 10. These awards are always somehow. Even VVD Morata and that Korean was spinning like turntable was top 4

WeissVonner:
I said most. I think a lot of players admitted as much.

Source: Guy I no fit lie for you

You think James Harden, Giannis, Kawhi etc care about Bron's opinion? Get real

WeissVonner:
Whether equally shared or not, the point is they get a piece.

The players also lose money by not playing and it affects them in the CBA moving forward. It was in their best interest to play

WeissVonner:
Its not about making the documentary or not, It's about the timing.

LeBron making Space Jam is not about trying to imitate Jordan. Its about making money. He wears Jordans number and thats where the similarity ends, LeBron being the savant he is takes things from many great players game especially Penny Hardaway, Dr J, Magic and Moses Malone.

And couldn't do another entirely different movie? He's trying to match MJ on and off the court but we know that will never happen

WeissVonner:
He was the teams best defender, guarded the oppositions best player. Led the teams in assists, rebounds and steals. He was a swiss army knife that made sure all your man had to do was score and guard undersized guards.

I like how people keep regurgitating this myth even though Pippen never won DPOY and never had as many high end finishes and All defensive appearances as MJ

Pippen was a jack of all trade master of none. He never led the league in any single stat whether regular season or playoffs

No matter how many times una repeat this Pippen myth doesn't mean it can ever be true.

1997 season MJ: 31-8-5
1997 playoffs Pippen: 19-7-4
1993 playoffs MJ: 35-7-6
1993 playoffs Pippen: 20-7-5
1991 playoffs MJ: 31-6-8
1991 playoffs: Pippen: 21-9-6

You think MJ couldn't lead the Bulls in all stats if he was a certified stat spammer like LeNomad? In the bright lights of playoff basketball everyone knows scoring is the most difficult task. You can be outrebounded and still win, you can be out assisted and still win but you can never be outscored and win

WeissVonner:
He was one blown call from an ECF. And a testament to how great that Bulls team was.

A 3peat winning team with same coach that loses just one player no matter how great will always compete. The Heat got to a game of the ECF after LeNomad left too

WeissVonner:
Please don't call that sad team of ring chasing geriatrics a stacked team.

How weren't they stacked? Were they older than Duncan and Manu? Pippen was younger why couldn't he dominate? Put his stamp on the team

WeissVonner:
This is a man who got bullied by his wife and forced to apologize for her cheating on him. Jordan basically bullied him throughout his career, I say the odds are very high.

Lool equating woman and man situation where significantly richer black man has to part with money if they divorce? At worst he has simp traits which even the most masculine of men have exhibited at some point.

Bayern wiped the UEFA awards lol but you can see how quiet everywhere is. We don't celebrate polling booth awards round here

This is what matters

This our group is pretty interesting.

Salzburg
Atletico Madrid
Lokomotiv

I'm especially looking forward to both ties vs Salzburg. Wouldn't wanna miss that one

Leipzig's group is very interesting as well but for Gladbach. Thoughts and prayers

chic2pimp:
Beaten the Raptors with the likes of Khris and Eric? Definitely not in this life or the next. The result would have remained the same.

People keep downplaying how poorly these guys played that series. Especially Eric friggin Bledsoe who should not be a starting PG of any team hoping to compete in this league

chic2pimp:
Props to AD for realising that. He clearly saw where His career was heading, decided to take the Bull by the Horn and is clearly reaping the benefits of that decision. Basketball is a short career so you have to make the most of it.

Fair enough and this is why haters need to lay off KD for good. Everyone is taking the shortest path possible to the ring these days. That's just what it is

chic2pimp:
The so called "Old heads" tend to look at things through rose tinted glasses. Do you think MJ would have stayed if He did not have Pippen by His side? He better not listen to these folks. If KD had listened to any of their advice and stayed put, He would still be ringless by now.

He would have stayed. Most of those old school players are cut from a much different cloth than the players of now. Do you know what it means to lose to the same team 3 times in a row and keep fighting? Hakeem didn't leave, Malone spent 18 years in Utah, Robinson didn't leave, Dirk never left Dallas and stayed till he won. Rings have always mattered but players also wanted to be revered in their franchises.

Doc Rivers to the Sixers. Hope he delivers this time.

chic2pimp:
LOOOOOOL Won what ring? Why do you think He bolted at the first opportunity to team up with a TOP 3(at worst) player of all time?

Ringlessness awaits Giannis in the nearest future if He doesn't realise the NBA is now Star driven and you simply can't do it on your own. The days of Hakeem 94 and Duncan 03 are long gone.

Actually what these playoffs have shown is that AD has alpha talent but beta mentality. I think the argument of who's better between him and AD has been closed for now

However we have no proof and will have no proof for quite sometime that AD is able to lead a team like the Bucks or any team to a title. He's not even the unanimous best player on the Lakers. That's why despite his skill set if this winds up being the only ring he wins nobody is ever going to put him ahead of a Dirk or a Karl Malone never mind Duncan

etidy:
The fact is the lakers has been the best team in the league this season, wire to wire.
They finished number 1 in a tougher conference, faced more adversity than most teams and will deservedly win the title.
This title takes LeBron to at least on equal pedestal with Jordan and whatever the haters say, this has been one of the toughest NBA playoffs ever.

To win in a bubble is the ultimate test of character. No home court advantage despite earning it in the regular season, no fans to give you energy. Just your own efforts mano a mano on equal footing against your opponents.


I see the likes of skip are already bringing up an asterisks because of the injuries to dragic, bam and butler which is ridiculous.
But then again, it's also ridiculous that
Some part of the media and fandom still hold it against steph for beating an underhanded cavs team in 2015.

I agree with most of what you said minus the equal pedestal part. I won't asterisk anything same way I don't asterisk KD's rings, 2015 or any other rings. Everyone played under same conditions. That banter holds no water for me

However you can't be on the same pedestal with the GOAT when you have a player on your squad that can get you 34-9-5.

Jordan never needed a guy 9 years younger and in his prime to compete. Can you imagine what MJ does to any league with a half decent big

Khanben:
Players are allowed to have bad games. Lamar for now has not figured out how to win from behind, but IMHO he will get there.
As an aside if Andrews has not dropped that TD it might have been a totally different game

You guys just don't like observing patterns. I'm not saying he will never figure it out. But you can see how uncomfortable he has consistently looked when he has to throw the football. How can anyone not understand that this might influence how an evaluator would look at him when he consistently runs for more yards than he passes in games like these

No need to play that if and buts game. If the Chiefs S/T did their job the Ravens only score 13pts. Someone's failure leads to the results we see on the field

That money Alaba is asking for let's add it to what we want to give Kimmich when next he is due for a payrise

We only want volunteers here no hostages

And to the board give Hansi Flick some money you friggin akagums. I've never seen a club reward their manager with this kind of fuckery. Reminds me of Football Manager days sha when you win the treble and your board still won't give you shishi and even sack you on top

Now I even heard we are going for Thomas Lemar, Thomas Lemar who is dragging with Hidden Shakushaku as the worst flop in La Liga history. The same player I have been roasting Kagawa10 on. The Lord truly works in mysterious ways

WeissVonner:
If LeBron is playing, most players follow suit, period.

Apart from his own teammates apparently. If he couldn't make Avery Bradley play then he has fuckall power to do anything

WeissVonner:
Playoffs or not, they still get a share of TV money, which they will miss out on without the playoffs holdin.

These monies are not shared equally. The Lakers and Hornets are not getting the same piece of the pie, that aside you do realize the players were also going to lose money. It would also affect CBA negotiations. Don't act like it was not in the players interest to play as well

WeissVonner:
He doesn't he cares about LeBron and his legacy. Your man refused to do the last dance until immediately after LeBron won the 2016 title in Cleveland. We know whose legacy he's threatened by, he knows no one who follows his foot step will catch up with him, LeBron is doing it his own way.

He can do his documentary whenever he pleases. Why are y'all pressed about it? You younglings always like history erased, like it never happened. Like basketball legit started in this era.

LeNomad is an imitation. Wannabe Jordan, copied everything from the number to the movies to trying to make his shoes move numbers like MJ (we know that's never going to happen) so insecure man's no gree shave him apari head struggling with Rogain and shit

WeissVonner:
Lmao, Your man had scottie pippen who Phil Jackson described as the most complete player in the game and is constantly ranked top 30 all time. Scottie Pippen BTW, has gone way further without Jordan than Jordan has without him.

Pippen was a great player bless him but he has a lower PER than D.Wade, Kyrie and AD

He's never averaged more than 22pts in his career.

Of course Pippen went to the ECF one year with a team fresh off a 3peat. Big whoop! You think if LeNomad leaves this Lakers team they would go to the lottery? Try another joke. They were a team that had been together 2-4 years

Pippen played with more talented teammates and never got to an NBA Finals. Failed in Chicago, went to Houston teamed with Charles Barkley and Hakeem freaking Olajuwon. Failed again, Portland. Same story

WeissVonner:
I don't remember ever saying that but that doesn't take away from the fact that he was a hell of a player. That what he said is inane. And that he was bullied by old heads and presumably Jordan himself into changing his opinion when he said LeBron was better than him.

Facts Facts Facts

What are the odds a 50+ year old man gets bullied on his own opinions. Do you guys reason at all? Bullied by the Jordan he is not probably cool with? As Jordan's Robin he has more incentive to downplay MJ to boost his own legacy

WeissVonner:
Butler has never won a playoff series against Bron. Never will.

We shall see

WeissVonner:
LOL! LeBron was the first person to put his foot down and say nobody is cancelling the NBA season. Remember when Pat Bev said if LeBron is playing we're all playing? Then he considered leaving the bubble for issues bigger than basketball.

You must be some type of comedian. Like Bron can make anybody play? The only two teams that literally wanted to leave the bubble were the Lakers and the Clippers. Hell Bron couldn't stop his own teammates from not showing up at the bubble what makes you think he would stop anyone that wanted out. Lmaooooooo

WeissVonner:
Your goat did what was best for his pocket by acting as a mediator, he didnt salvage jack sh-t. If LeBron wanted this season done, it's done. I'm sure your goat at the time was expecting the Flippers to handle the lakers as well.

There is nothing your LeNomad could have done if everyone else wanted to play. What's best for his pocket? Is this the Air Jordan league or NBA? His team is not even in the bubble neither is his team relevant. He literally had no dog in this fight.

Laughable that you think the GOAT cares about the Clippers or Lakers. Supremely laughable

WeissVonner:
Now that he's seen what this win will mean for LeBrons legacy, he is sending his cronies like that sorry a-s crackhead scottie pippen to spew nonsense and try to create false narratives.

We are going to filet your goat and his legacy, I promise you. LeBron is not slowing down anytime soon. Death by a thousand cuts.

This win does nothing to his legacy. All we see is a guy who added the guy with the all-time 3rd highest ppg in playoff history in his prime. He better win the damn championship. Kawhi did more last year without the luxury of an AD so restttt

The nerve of y'all. How you the GOAT if you need a teammate averaging 29-10 the entire playoffs. Victor Oladipo will win the title if he had such a teammate

Btw I thought y'all swore Scottie couldn't stand Jordan. Which is it fellas? I'm sure if he said something pro LeNomad y'all would lap it up

The good thing is the Heat do not have one specific player you can zero in on to shut down on offense. The bad thing is their defense at it's core boils down to just one guy. Bam!

If he gets into any type of foul trouble they are positively bleeped. And this is why I don't feel good about the Heat but still hoping for a miracle.

Interesting factoid. Jimmy Butler and LeBron head to head. 17-17

Really should be 3-0 up. Coman's decision making can be super frustrating

And someone remind me how much was Pavard bought for again? we've been overpaying for a lot of mid players lately no wonder the club is broke

Uh oh. Brandt pulls one back

2-zip
Dortmund is a sure customer

Panic in the MJ camp?

Wasn't it the two wusses from LA that didn't want to be in the bubble in the first place? Shouldn't y'all be thanking the GOAT for salvaging this season? Would we even be talking about a Heat vs Lakers series if not for the GOAT. Smh

haymekus:
I knew it, this fraudzard will try his best to avoid el-Classico



FBI suppose arrest this scammer

We warned them about this fraud. I don't know what Zidane was thinking paying £100m for a 28 year old who for all his skills has always been a mental midget who never delivers in the Champions League

Aturitoroman:
Aranchamobile -----


Hazard out for 3-4weeks

Muscular problem in his right leg

Madrid don buy akpuruka. Ebu

Bling bling panda

Sane is out for 3-4 weeks

Cuisance on his way to Leeds United. I hope this damn board knows what the fuq it's doing. They are working overtime to sabotage Hansi Flick it seems. Our primary threat Liverpool took Thiago and added Jota yet here we are making absolutely no moves. It's shocking

raumdeuter:
Someone was named best player in the entire league you are now crying that he didn't make team of the season

You are extremely ignorant and instead of seeking knowledge you resort to lies.

Below is the Bundesliga team of 2016

https://web.archive.org/web/20160715055012/http://www.bundesliga.com/en/fanzone/Team-of-the-season-1516-results/

Not only that Boateng make team of the season, He was overrall best player of the year

Boateng was in UEFA team of euro 2016 and uefa team of the season

Lmaoooo you get time walahi. Imagine someone spewing ignorance with authority

It's not by force to speak on wetin you no know about nau

Oro di Hmmmmm Oro pesi je oh

Where is that nepotistic clown. You can see how Lamar Jackson looks when he has to face a real QB. Midway into the 4th and he has less than 100 yards. In fact he has more running yards than passing as we speak. This is what some GMs or coaches see and decide to convert him to another position. Erroneous maybe but definitely not a matter of race.