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Hehehehe even if the fans and Laker haters alike have embraced defeat doesn't mean the players should too. Let them mean mug and Ice grill. They will be fine as long as they can back it up. I want to see them keep fighting till the bitter end

Are these ones scared. Allow people talk nau abi wetin dey worry this clown. No be sweep una suppose sweep Miami

Roland17:
Just look at LeBum..You should stay on the court and finsh the game..

Throwing the toys out the pram when things don't go his way as usual. He played rubbish the closing 9 minutes so I understand why he wanted to rush off the court

I'm pretty sure Olynyk will not get 17 quality points like this but if they do then we will have problems.

The Lakers should still win but if you're the Heat you just go there and ball with no pressure. All the pressure is now on the Lakers

When I questioned AD's heart it wasn't out of beef. E get why

I can't believe in a game like this AD didn't show up for the ball. No plays were run for him in the last 8 mins. Unbelievable

At this stage you have to want it especially if the other guy is giving you the business on the other end

My respect levels for Jimmy Butler just went through the roof. Too much liver! Just willing his team to that W. Not an A-level talent but A-level heart

Just woke up not long ago. How are the Heat even leading FFS

Roland17:
@A40 come and give by boy Rondo his due

When Butler dey there?

I don't call him LeNomad for nothing. See those travels

Pavard and Alaba sha. Omo this season go ruff

Bad as e bad our defense is not like some people's MCM's defense wey dey chop 7 goals to Aston Villa. BoaTANK defense never chop 7 goals before bad as e bad

Lewandowski bailed us out today

Douglas Costa is returning on loan. Another Brazzo masterclass. Elite akagumery

raumdeuter:
Its incredible how we managed to do this

So expecting this

In
Roca 10M
Sarr 10M
Chupo Moting Free

Out
Zirkzee on loan
Cuisance on loan
I hope Zirkzee gets a club where he can play regularly. Chupo Moting will be on a 2yr deal. Time for Zirkzee to grow and learn his trade

I am interested in what we plan for Jamal Musiala

Cheap deals that can work beats the 70M and 40M for potential bench players like Odoi and Kramaric

I will take it

Roca would have cost a cool €40m last season as well. Timing is everything
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I also hope Zirkzee gets loaned to a club where he gets regular playing time let's see what we have with him.

Cuisance failed his medical so it would be a miracle finding any takers for him. I'm not really holding my breath on that one.

Choupo can back up Lewy or play on the left. Really he's the most practical signing we could get. Cheap veteran backup that knows his role. I don't know why some are crying on Twitter

With Musiala I would prefer he stays or plays for Bayern II, he's too young too start getting loaned up and down let him stay in the system some more.

I want to appreciate Chelsea for saving us from Brazzo and his occasional nonsense. What is this £70m business for Hudson Odoi? The only youngster we should be paying that kind of crazy money for is Ansu Fati.

Choupo Moting. Who would have thunk it?

Well beats paying £110m for Kramaric and Hudson Odoi.

Looks like Bouna Sarr from Marseille is also coming. Very interesting late moves Bayern has been doing

So the Roca deal is €9m with potential add-ons of 6m

Sarr for €10m.

Choupo Moting für gratis.

This is incredible akagumery and Ijebu behavior from Bayern, I have no words

BlueAngel444:
Bayern are jonzers and misers. After duping Madrid and Barca with fake option to buy only to return the said players. If they really value CHO let them beat the £40m they offered when he had just a year left, they either make it obligated to pay £70m or no deal. Well na Chelsea board dem go dey wise.

£70m for Hudson Odoi?? O wrong nauuu

Everton go worry oh. They have the right mix of flair and eruku Makanaki in that midfield. Andre Gomes, Allan, Doucoure doing the dirty work you now have Hames Rodriguez beasting and Calvert Lewin turning to prime Lewandowski.

Likes of Iwobi and Sigurdsson barely start nowadays. Marco Silva was a real fraud fam

€13m

I Stan an Ijebu over kaku club. Can play CM and CDM and will definitely improve our depth in that midfield

Atletico actually wanted him to replace Rodri last season as well but the deal fell through.

At 24 this was definitely a steal

DeeMain:
Books and documentaries and interviews have been written and done on this. No need to argue bro. We know who needed who and who didn't give a damn if he played for the Bull or not and told them so .

Revisionists, I hail you all

Plug any decent role player there and it would have been same result.

Books and documentaries have nothing to do with what transpired on the court. The Bulls brought him back to relevancy and he would have never been this pop culture phenom if he continued wasting his contributions in San Antonio. He was there in San Antonio in a pretty solid team. They won nothing. Why didn't he propel them to anything?

The only reason we are here talking about Dennis Rodman today is because he played for the Bulls else he's just Ben Wallace with a little more rebounds

WeissVonner:
So a team hell bent on ending the season decides against it hours later. Maybe they never wanted it to end in the first place.

How many teams had healthy players that simply refused to show up to the bubble, had players openly muse about whether to play or not and voted to get out. Answers on a postcard

WeissVonner:
They are also a massive underdog and NBA ratings have been abysmal for a while now. Of course this is the lowest rated finals game in a long time.

Last year's numbers were better. And we had more sports then. Not an excuse

WeissVonner:
Well with the way he guarded Magic he was certainly not winning any DPOY thats for sure. He's better off against the Jeff Hornaceks and John Stocktons.

This is Magic Johnson the GOAT PG not some scrub. Looking at Pippen's numbers you cannot with a straight face tell me he did a much better job. MJ guarded everybody is the point. From Clyde to Hardaway (Penny and Tim) he backed down from nobody. Hell I have footage of him at 40 guarding Shawn Marion and Latrell Sprewell. All I want to do is dead this narrative that Pippen was doing all the defensive work. That is a white hot lie and I'm glad you indicted yourself with that post

WeissVonner:
The Bulls literally lost game 1, were losing game 2 until Pippen switched over to Magic, of course there was a momentum shift. The adjustment Phil made was to ensure Pippen saw a lot more time on Magic rather than have MJ almost exclusively guard him,

Why are old heads really pushing fairy tales man?

You're doing the spinaroonie at this point. You claimed MJ was being torched. How is 4/5 from the field with 5 turnovers the entire game 'torched' when they only won by 2.

Ok so what happened in Game 3 where the Bulls were down double digits late in the second half with Pippen in foul trouble and fouling out eventually. Why didn't momentum shift then?

Your stat shows Jordan guarded Magic 61% of the time the entire series. That stat alone rubbishes your entire argument. Unless you're suggesting Jordan guards Magic 100% of the time

WeissVonner:
Pippen was a swiss army knife and his duties shifted depending on what the team needed from him. If he wasnt leading in any of these categories he was certainly lifting a major load on that department. Again in total, he leads in accumulated stats under categories other than scoring.

There is nothing Pippen did that MJ couldn't do in his sleep. But MJ was never a stat padding hog like LeNomad. He allowed everyone shine in their roles.

In 1991, 1993 and 97. MJ led Pippen in two of the top 3 stats categories. The rest is for Stat padding LeStatPad fans to debate.

I have made my point to show he did a lot more than score

WeissVonner:
Lol! This is inane. If a team isnt getting rebounds they give up second chance opportunities and cant get them for themselves, thats giving away points and leaving them on the table. If you cant create shots for role players who cant create them for themselves you're losing points. They're just as important.

Rebounds or no rebounds you are still going to have to score a basket. I can show you numerous instances of outrebounded teams still winning ball games, In tight half court basketball in the playoffs you're still going to need players that will go out there and give you unassisted buckets

Scoring is the single most important thing in basketball. Everything else is still a means to an end which is outscoring your opponents

WeissVonner:
Post 2014 D Wade? Lol! No they wouldn't. Not without reinforcements.

Even LeNomad and the Heatles needed reinforcements so that one is neither here nor there

WeissVonner:
What? You keep saying Young Pup as if its not Tim friggin Duncan led by Greg Friggin Popovich. Not to mention how trash their depth was.

Greg friggin Popovich? You said that like he was a made man in the league. Remind me what he had done in 99 again?

Kobe,Glen Rice, Robert Horry and Rick Fox is enough to at least not get swept.

WeissVonner:
You're fixated on scoring. Its like saying Jordan Clarkson is better than Draymond because he scores more. There's a lot more to basketball than scoring. Players like LeBron can score 12 points and still dominate a game.

If you think all MJ did was just score then clearly I have been wasting my time here.

WeissVonner:
In one sentence you say "fairness over personal feelings and emotions" and in the next you immediately claim she doesn't deserve a cent. Maybe you should take your advice.

She was his wife for over two decades. Gave him multiple children and evidently endured immense physical and emotional abuse. Her getting some sort of financial compensation is fair.

That was obviously hyperbole but ok say she deserves something some type of settlement. She should get something but for how long. Why are we treating marriage like some pension plan?

What if he was broke?

She sure as hell doesn't deserve $1.5m a month

WeissVonner:
Why would you ever reference points when talking about his contributions when you know damn well that has nothing to do with why he's in the hall of fame. Its like bringing up Steph Curry and mentioning how many blocks he had. Rodman was an elite defender and rebounder. Led the league in rebounds in the regular season throughout the second three peat and averaged over 30 minutes per game during the playoffs. Why are you old heads intent on rewriting history?

You always like arguing without applying full context. This was a player the anti Jordan crowd swore was absolutely crucial to the Bulls second 3peat (which he was, like Rondo, Markieff and Caruso are to these Lakers) but I proved to you that the Bulls also won despite his numbers being down across board.

What does this have to do with Steph? You're fond of using incorrect analogies

His minutes were lower than average, his boards were lower, his points were lower, everything was lower. I zoomed in that particular season to show you that he contributed little that postseason and the team still won

DeeMain:
They were struggling after MJ came back. Other teams were ready for them. The best rebounder in the game and baddest defender in the NBA, Bad Boy Dennis Rodman came to their rescue.

This is no secret. A little googling will reveal this to you. And The Last Dance confirmed this.

Facts.

No Rodman no 2nd 3 peat.

This is an awful take. Other teams were ready because? MJ returned March after almost two years out of basketball. You thought they would just romp to a title?

Rodman needed the Bulls more than the Bulls needed Rodman. They won a whole 3peat without him and he was a complete non factor in at least one of the 3peats

Can also say no Ray Allen and LeNomad is on 2 rings as we speak

WeissVonner:
It seems you keep losing touch of the arguments you're pushing.

You have still not shown where I said LeNomad wanted the season over. At worst he had reluctant teammates. You have absolutely no argument here

airmark:
You can be in your Bariga, eating your Amala and gbegiri and be deceiving yourself, Lewandowski and your key players know what it means to win individual awards that distinguish them from carry-along leeches like Boathand.

Continue crying my guy

WeissVonner:
But they did happen nonetheless. Stop behaving as if he did everything on his own.

No one ever said this though

WeissVonner:
They won 73 games in a non expansion era with a unanimous MVP. Them coming back from 3-1 down was no fluke. I'd love to see what jordan would have done when klay started raining down those 3's in game 6. Maybe he'll send Pippen to guard him.

Are you talking of that time we had teams openly tanking? Lol. Them coming back was a complete fluke. They had the Warriors dead to rights and if not for these generation of athletes being such supreme chokers that series should have ended 4-1

FFS they blew them out by a combined 52pts in Games 3 and 4.

Did you know KD shot 8/24 and 10/30 from the field in both those wins. You think MJ in the middle of his basketball prime blows a 3-1 lead to Klay and Steph? Lmaoooooooooo

WeissVonner:
Lmao a 22 year old leading a team past a pistons team with one of the most stifling defenses of all time. Scoring all of his teams last 29 points. Nothing impressive. I'd love to have seen MJ against a team like the Spurs as his teams only offensive option. Too bad he never faced a team half as good in the finals.

Did you just say stifling of all-time? Don't make me cry please. They had lost their best defender and rim protector Ben Wallace the previous season. Their record was so mid they would be 4th seed out West. Dfkm

Wasn't it bosom Gibson that closed out the series while your boy shot 3/11 from the field and was padding stats as per usual.

The Spurs were so good 2 of their 4 wins against this terrible Cleveland team were by a combined 3 points.

Let me give you LeNomad's shooting in those games.

10/30
9/23

Team's only offensive option but we had games in the series where literally 3 players on his team made more FGs than he did. He completely wrecked his team's chances with his calamitous shooting

WeissVonner:
Prime Shaq was 2000-2002. They hacked him to death and still couldn't stop him. That Shaq would be the best player on the court with anyone else on the court.

Prime Shaq could be hacked and forced to go to the foul line. What could you do with prime MJ? Nothing.

WeissVonner:
Lmao Its funny how Skip Bayless managed to convince people the Spurs stood a chance against that warriors team. They would have possibly still lost that game and definitely lost that series. Kawhi or not.

Skip Bayless? Weren't they down by over 20pts? What proof do you have that they stood a chance if not for that injury. You literally cannot prove this. They were coasting to a Game 1 victory then Kawhi got hurt. Same way you lot swear Toronto doesn't win if KD doesn't get hurt. Let's keep this same energy now

WeissVonner:
They lost because they made their 2s and bricked their 3s. Dont know how he would have helped with that.

No. They lost because they didn't take fewer 3's . They passed up 81 straight points because they did nothing other than spam the 3 ball

WeissVonner:
Lol. They wanted out of the bubble but changed their minds a few hours later?

The human mind is incapable of change or what is this joke of a question

WeissVonner:
Lmao what? Miami is a mid market at best and a massive underdog. Same reason the 2007 finals was a ratings disaster. You think if LeBron decides to do a documentary 20 years from now it wouldnt pull massive ratings? You watch the NBA everyday, the last dance was a rare documentary about one of sports most iconic figures.

Miami is a 3 time Champion they have a huge fan base. Laughable that you compare a Finals between LA/Miami to San Antonio vs Cleveland. Just laughable

WeissVonner:
Lmaoo una fit kill person for this place.

Fact of the matter is the momentum switched immediately Pippen was switched on Magic in game 2.

This were his stats against the Bulls. He was his best when MJ was guarding him. He was killing him in the post especially.

player poss TS% PTS AST TOV FGA FTA F drawn
Jordan 253 73,2 20,3 16,1 4,5 9,4 10,1 6,4
Pippen 102 64,9 20,5 11,2 4,7 12,1 8,4 7,5
no one 031 26,5 15,3 12,3 3,1 27,6 3,1 0
Horace 010 0,00 0,00 19,0 28,5 38,0 0,0 0
others 017 68,5 67,1 16,8 5,6 39,1 22,0 22,4

I thought you said all MJ did was guard undersized guards. You can see from this your so called stats that MJ was the primary defender on Magic not Pippen thus no momentum was changed in the series like you erroneously claimed. So why did you lie that any kind of momentum shifted when MJ was still Magic's primary defender for the entire series. Smh

You're still talking about momentum when you can literally see that MJ guarded him almost 3 times more than Scottie did

If I didn't dig into the crates for those clips that is how you would mislead the public

So what happened to this momentum when Pippen fouled out and MJ had to check Magic and come back from a late deficit to force overtime in Game 3. Why do you lot cap unprovoked? Why??

WeissVonner:
Lol. If the totality of their stats during their championship wins shows pippen leading him in every stat other than points, he did his job.

Story. That is an amateur way to analyse stats. Explain why in 3 of 6 title wins MJ led in either points or rebounds or points and assists.

MJ should not lead in anything other than points in any of the seasons if Pippen did his job

WeissVonner:
Dude, you just claimed assists and rebounds dont matter.

They don't matter as much as scoring

WeissVonner:
I'm talking about both regular season and post season. And the team in 2015 was much different, added a bunch of new players. Still fell short.

They added players because they lost players. Duhh! You think a healthy Wade and Bosh wouldn't beat the Raptors? Jokes

WeissVonner:
Timmy was averaging 21 and 11 and was already one of the best in the league. If David Robinson was super washed at 34, keep the same energy for the rockets team. Pippen was a top 10 player in the NBA in the 90s. Better than Kyrie was or wade after the knee surgery. That was enough to put MJ over the top. Its who you are as well as who you're up against. MJ pippen was easily the best of a few dynamic duos in the league.

Not an excuse. Hakeem, Olajuwon and Pippen were enough to get to a conference Final at least. If one young pup and a washed Robinson could sweep the Lakers then a younger Pippen with two grizzled veterans should have led the team if he was that dude.

Pippen couldn't do what Kyrie had to do to get Cleveland back into that series. Pippen was 43% from the field in the playoffs. Let that sink in. a 17 ppg scorer on 43% shooting.

Imagine MJ with a second best player able to outscore the best player on the other team. An unanimous MVP no less

WeissVonner:
If you;re naive enough to ignore the sort of influence LeBron wields over the players thats on you. Besides, this is another straw man. Point is you claimed Bron wanted to end the season which is a bold faced lie.

Like the Nuggets coach said. Nobody really cares what Pat Beverley has to say.

Where did I claim LeNomad wanted to end the season. I know you lie for fun so this will not be beneath you. I want to see you prove where I said LeNomad wanted the season over.

WeissVonner:
Sometimes the appropriate legal action results in a fine or a settlement for assault. That's not stealing, its compensation. If it was anyone other than this piece of sh-t then sure. But she deserves every dime and more.

What Dre's ex wife tried to do was stealing and thankfully common sense prevailed. Fairness over personal feelings and emotions. She didn't deserve a cent

WeissVonner:
When someone references the number of points Rodman scored during an argument it really just points to their lack of knowledge of basketball.

You're talking in the nonsense. I listed his contributions (pts and rebs) in totality with the low minutes he averaged in previous posts as well. Just talking in the nonsense

DeeMain:
You know Rodman wasn't brought in to score. He was brought in to be a defensive beast and monster and a pest and dirty-job man all rolled into one.

Someone who could free up MJ and Pippen to finish off opponents. Someone who could add the x-factor of the Pistons' ruggedness and dirtiness to the Bull's finesse. Someone who would make them truly unbeatable.

So they were not unbeatable after winning the first 3 peat?

Every single team in the history of basketball have had a Rodman like player. Don't try to paint him like some star. He was 36 when he came over and not even in his prime.

In 97 they won the title with little or no contribution from Rodman

DeeMain:
Just to butt in a little. Jordan and the bulls were literally hunting for a 3rd best player in order to win when he returned from his first retirement.

That player was the tireless and enigmatic Rodman who had peppered them as a Piston.

Shamelessly the Bulls went all out to get Rodman, a hated arch-enemy.

MJ didn't care. He wanted to win badly and wanted the best. That was a super 3 right there.

MJ looked for the easy way out too.

Without Rodman, no 3 peat for MJ.

Let's not demonize Bron and idolize MJ Just because it suits the prevailing narrative.

Pepper them? He wasn't there when Jordan swept these same Pistons and sent them all to premature retirement? Obviously he didn't pepper them enough then.

MJ won a whole 3peat without Rodman. In 97 the Bulls won a title with Rodman averaging 2 and 7 in the Finals .

Nice try though

WeissVonner:
LOL And yet there are crucial games where he shot horribly, and got bailed out by his teammates.

That can be counted on one finger. There's literally never been a series anybody outscored him

WeissVonner:
LeBron averages a few less points and thats it because even at the start of the season he explained why they will run their offense through him. AD is not even a better scorer than bron for starters. But yes, he does lighten LeBrons workload.

Rebounds? Blocks? Steals? Better free throw shooter that's hella of a lighter workload. Just using your argument

WeissVonner:
Not if he ran into the warriors or the Spurs he wont. The only finals he would win that LeBron didnt is 2011, he wont get to the finals in 2007 or 2018 and would definitely lose in 2016.

Your error would be in assuming Jordan would even go down 3-1 to those Warriors to begin with. Hell they wouldn't even sniff the Finals if KD and co didn't fumble their bag in the first place

Don't bring up 2007 please where you beat two .500 squads and voila you land in the Conference Finals. Jordan makes the Finals in that watery East and doesn't shoot 38% from the field and average 5 turnovers per game in the Finals either

WeissVonner:
Prime Shaq? Of course, but he won't even be the best player on that team. Prime Shaq was the highest peak of any player we have ever seen. If you are given the choice of winning a game with one player throughout history its prime shaq. AD is the best big in the league right now, MJ plus AD is not beating the Steph KD warriors thats a friggin joke.

How so? Prime Shaq never won without a good wing player. What was Prime Shaq looking at at 27 when Tim Duncan came and swept him and beat him to a title

Lool what do you do with Shaq in the 4th quarter of a close game? you hack him ad nauseum. And he can't even make free throws. What are you talking about winning a game with anybody other than Jordan? What a joke

MJ and AD will swarm the Warriors and constrict them on defense it would be painful to watch. Maybe you have forgotten Steph's numbers in the clutch

WeissVonner:
This was the 2018 warriors, who were already having cracks and chemistry issues. The rockets were specifically built to beat them and your man wouldnt even fit into their system because everybody knows your man couldnt shoot 3s, unless they shorten the line to help him again of course.

Kawhi and Lamarcus Aldridge were destroying the Warriors in their building by over 20pts Game 1 before Zaza stomped his foot and ruined the series in 2017.

Maybe if they had a Jordan like player in their system they wouldn't be without a chip. Made 2's >>> Missed 3's.

AD took 21 shots the other day. Only 4 were 3's

Imagine thinking one single player can unilaterally end a season. Say na tremble, Bass ni

Una no go kill person for here oh. Everyday na different type of yeye and awada

WeissVonner:
Lets just say this encounter with dee barnes wasnt an isolated incident.

Everyone in Hollywood knows he does this to women habitually. I can't ever defend a man like this.

If he's beaten up women then he should face time or appropriate legal action. I will not endorse outright stealing just to get back at him.

Dre today an innocent hardworking man tomorrow. Let's be consistent