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Clean sheets have disappeared from Liverpool's back line like the fart of a leprous witch since Allison's injury. You hate to see it

airmark:
More reason your Schweiny should be ashamed of himself.

Name one great footballer, who was consistent, without this polling booth award?

You kept on mentioning led assists in world cup, as if he had more than everybody. You got exposed in that.

So since Hazard also led assists in the world cup, why did you say he didn't do anything and was carried by KDB? You and your mentor wouldn't stop putting yourself in trouble with your views.Take your L.

Ashamed that he won a CL, a treble and every important trophy in club football, ashamed that he won a World Cup. Lol you're a jester

Nobody assisted more than him so you cannot say I was exposed. Google assist leaders at the 2010 World Cup you will see Schweinsteiger's name gadagba

What is my business with Hazard? Where is his CL and World Cup title? I don't have time for that Shakushaku exponent that was padding stats against Tunisia and Panama. When they faced the likes of France and Brazil garri found its level as usual

You should take the L for yourself and Lampard. His name starts with an L for a reason

hensben:
Why hasn’t Messi lifted Argentina national team to trophy? Was it Cr7 that scored the goal against France which gave Portugal national team European trophy? Stop been silly and type like an adult. So lampard didn’t win ucl. M u g u.

Nwanne comot from my circumference with your stupidity.

Messi has made 3 Finals
Ororo took tiny Portugal to two Euro Finals and a World Cup semifinal. Tell us why your Lampard has never helped England even to semifinal stage. You cannot even point to one tournament and say Lampard did his best but was let down by his teammates.

All of Lampard's contemporaries have won a CL. Nothing big in winning CL that's a yearly competition after playing almost 15 years at a top tier club. International glory is what defines the greats and every two years you have the opportunity to make a difference but England actually missed an entire tournament in Lampard's prime. A crying disgrace

nihilistjnr:
It's not about whether Bayern players live for award.

The question is, them dey forbid to vote Bayern players as 2nd best player in the world?

The more important question is why does Lampard's greatness disappear like the fart of a leprous witch whenever he wears England colors?

Pirlo, Xavi have never made 2nd best player in the World. If you add their goals combined e no reach Lampard own but they turn up for club and country just like Schweinsteiger but your Lampard is a well known James St Patrick

hensben:
Stop disgracing yourself. To reach semi finals is team effort, football is a team sport.

Shut up Mr Hensbrain.

Great players elevate their team to win trophies. The likes of Jordan, Maradona, Pele and Ronaldo and Messi are praised because their greatness lifted their teams to Championships. So don't tell me that a Lampard surrounded by other 'World class' players could not win a title and then tell me dumb shit like football is a team sport as if Lampard's team was not good enough to succeed. M0ron

airmark:
Paltry 3 assists he shared with 4 other players. Led ko, pencil ni.

He was so average that FIFA didn't consider him, among the best 11 in the world in any year. He didn't even make FIFA best XI 2nd team in any year.

He should be compared with Mikel, Essien, Carrick, Carzola, Seydou Keita, if we want to pity him.

Who assisted more than him. He had 3 paltry assists but Lampard could not manage one.

Stop showing us polling booth awards Iniesta and Dani Alves were making on their wheelchair. Show us why Lampard could not lead England past quarterfinal stage in 5 major tournaments. How hard can that be?

Save your pity and show me the World Cup title all 7 of them combined were able to win

nihilistjnr:
Them dey forbid to guage any Bayern player on league performance to enter WPOT theY 2nd place?

You mean captaining Chelsea to back to back European wins was also an EPL achievement?

Wawu

Bayern players don't live for polling booth awards. Even though we have had 5 players in the WPOTY top 10 in recent past. The bottom line is Lampard didn't win. Just like he has 0 titles or even semifinal appearances for country at any major tournament unlike his mates.

Show me what Lampard did for England bruhhh. Nobody ranks Europa League win when we're discussing elite player achievements

nihilistjnr:
So WPOTY and Balon Dor 2nd place award were also awarded by EPL?

You know I don't do polling booth awards that were probably gauged on performance at league level as well.

Show me Lampard dominating any International tournament and helping England get past quarterfinal stage. I even lowered the bar and didn't even ask for trophy that his other contemporaries were able to win

Melvyn11:
Talk about the ability of Lampard. Apart from Taking long aimless shots from outside the 18 yards area,he was just ok in all other areas. His shots to goal ratio is embarassing to say the least. Check his word cup shots record as well.

Don't mind biased EPL fans. I respect Lampard quite a bit but his excellence started and ended at Chelsea where he was their primary penalty taker. Padding stats with almost 50 penalties in 600 league appearances.

Went to World Cup and the one penalty England needed him to score he missed.

They will mention him with the Xavi's, Pirlo's etc but ask them to show us Lampard reaching semifinals outside Chelsea and watch them stutter and clutch at straws

Continue with una homerism. When you're done come and show me Lampard crossing quarter final stage of any recognized tournament for England.

Ibime:
What do you mean coach failed to get his position right? Does Lampard have pace more than Schweini?

Nigga came from youth football as the great white hype of attacking midfield and failed in every attacking position for 6 years as popizaino said.

So he took the bytch route and dropped to DM where there is no pressure to be a match-winner. When he sees matchwinners who succeeded where he failed, he should rankadede. Simples.

Schweinsteiger will not be the first nor last player to be played out of position at the start of his career. Henry started as a failed winger and was moved centrally, Ramos morphed from RB to CB

Using a player repeatedly played out of position for the formative years of his career as a negative is disingenuous. The objective thing to do is to gauge that player by what he did when he found his niche and when Bastian did it led to trophies at club and international level. Everything else is story

Moving to Box to box midfielder role did not stop Schweinsteiger from being a match winner. He led the World Cup in assists, Besides this Lampard you're hyping did absolute phbbbbbbttttttt for the Three Lions so stop with the hype. Lampard did absolute zilch outside Chelsea even while surrounded with other 'World class' players like your friend told us

birdman:
nah, he just needs to grow up. grow up and shut up. the media circus that he hates is of his own doing.

i think the problem is these guys are making so much money at such an early age and no one around them is really looking out for them, just looking for a free ride.

It is good that Durant has a strong, supportive mother, but I think he is running into grown man issues and really doest know what to do. dropping 3s on the court is easy compared to adulting

Well clearly he doesn't seem capable of that. For him to not know that engaging random strangers on Twitter and responding to every negative critique of him is a slippery slope that leads to nowhere.

He's not the only player that gets torched on SM but nobody reacts and responds to every Jimmy from Instagram like he does, I mean a whole KD creating burner accounts FFS, Like nigga you're Kevin Durant. You have your own shoe!! He needs to be made to realize his worth and just understand he is past the level of proving anything to anybody but himself

Ibime:
You can't bring a failed attacking midfielder to a successful one.

Schweinsteiger failed as an AM all his career till they switched him to DM in 2008.

When Lampard was collapsing Allianz arena in the mid-2000s and pummeling Bayern in UCL, Schweini was on the pitch, as a nonentity.

When he saw he couldn't compete with his fellow AMs who were flogging him silly, he gave up and became a DM.

He was a great DM, I will give him that. One of the best of his generation. But someone who failed at something should tuale when he see the ones who succeeded at it.

Taaaa!!! It's like a coach not getting a player's right position and you're busy playing the player there. What pace did Schweinsteiger have to play on the wings to begin with?

Don't blame Schweinsteiger for any coaching errors. It is better you judge Schweinsteiger by what he was able to do when playing in his correct position at CM/DM. After all we saw Kante play like a clown last season after he was moved out of his natural habitat

What do you mean pummel Schweinsteiger? Let's even remove the fact that Schweinsteiger was just 20 and didn't even start the first leg but still came off the bench to score. Let's ignore the fact that Bayern squad was rubbish. When Schweinsteiger entered his prime and met Lampard at country level it ended in tears, even the CL una come steal at Bayern you lot had to bunker and were thoroughly outplayed.

After all said and done Schweinsteiger succeeded both for club and country while your Lampard was a well-known international flop and nonentity. His excellence started and ended in Chelsea while Basti joined the likes of Xavi, Pirlo who were dons for both club and country

airmark:
Were you not the one bragging about him scoring goals? I didn't even ask about his assists yet. Now you had to put him as dm in order to cover his weak numbers.

Schweiny should never be brought near Lampard. He is like a tier three midfielder when we are talking about great midfielders we had seen in recent times. Even Kroos would have a mention before him.

Yes meaning Schweinsteiger could give you goals where needed. I never suggested he was a goal machine after all he is not a designated penalty taker like Lampard

But he has scored a decent number of goals for a CM/DM.

He has scored at the Euros, at the World Cup and even led the World Cup in assists as well.

Schweinsteiger is a Boss above Lampard and delivered for club and country even when Germany and Bayern were not at the peak of their powers. Never you compare a bandwagoner like Kroos who's arrival came at just the right moment, to Schweinsteiger who had been running things when Bayern and Germany still paraded mediocre squads

Kimbeast:
How can a team that is stacked with arguably 5 to 7 world class players be useless. The failure of that golden generation is down to the Coaches nothing will change that. If you are not biased you will see that.

I have shown you multiple teams with actual quality players who achieved success with coaches who were average to mediocre and had little to no pedigree before handling those teams and winning trophies

You have to be extremely biased to not see that it is nigh impossible to not achieve any type of success with that many world class players in your squad. Eriksson, Capello cannot all suck and not know what they are doing especially when they have proven it in the past that they can coach

I have asked you to show me any golden generation that stayed together for over 8 years and did not achieve any type of success (getting to ordinary semifinals) 18 hours later you're still telling stories that touch

Kimbeast:
Capello flopped and was sacked. Sven might just be the worst coach to ever manage England. The definition of Garbage. Only an idiot plays Gerrard and Lampard as partners to hold your midfield.

When a team is useless it would make a good coach look bad.

I have listed 5-8 coaches who are no better than Capello or Eriksson that were able to lead their teams who aren't nearly as talented as you would like us to believe the English were to trophies.

Even if Guardiola coached such a mediocre side he would fail. Coach not magician

airmark:
Are awards given to players for what they do outside of the pitch? Name one great player without being honoured individually for his talent.

What's the highest number of goals your Schweiny scored in a season all his life?

One man Mopol ko, one man baddo ni.

Imagine ranking a Central and Defensive midfielder by goals. What's the highest number of goals Kante scored in his life. Aaron Ramsey must be better than him

patrickmuf:
I am not here to do back and forth. In these streets, nobody wins no matter how ridiculous your argument is...I just hope say na here e end cos if you take some of the rubbish we read here outside, some of you would've had multiple stitches by now.

Story for the gods.

patrickmuf:
In what way was Schweinsteiger better than Scholes? Passing? Scoring from midfield? Midfield control? What exactly?

Yes Schweinsteiger didn't just control the midfield but dominated it better. He was the engine and brain box of Germany and Bayern's midfield in their most successful period in the last 20 years.

Scholes played closer to goal than Schweinsteiger for most of his prime so common sense dictates he would get more goals.

patrickmuf:
What do you mean by delivered for club and country? A great player is a great player even if he doesn't win a national competition.
Will you rate Kaka ahead of Denis Bergkhamp?

When talking about players, can we focus more on the individual rather than team achievement? I'm sure if Mikel is thrown into the mix when we are discussing Ballack, you'd be quick to highlight Ballack's individual qualities rather than team achievements BECAUSE Mikel has won the AFCON, UCL AND UEFA cup. If your logic is used here, Mikel stands heads and shoulders above Ballack but no, I know better than base my logic on nothing.

What kind of Jamb question are you asking me? Show me any other midfielder that has performed for Bayern and Germany from 2006 to 2014.

Kaka's peak was better than Bergkamp's. And that is considering they did not even play the same position so I don't know what this has to do with the argument on ground

You cannot divorce team achievement from a team sport so dead that narrative. Secondly who determines the metrics of individual play? Polling booth awards?

The reason nobody would compare Mikel to Ballack is because Mikel was not even a starter for most of the trophies Chelsea won. I don't know how you sit there and compare Mikel's role in these squads to that of Schweinsteiger. You don't have any argument

Greatihex:
nobody knows what you guys mean these days.

no be so your oga carry straight face dey hammer here since say liverpool finish 10th for klopp first season. since i expose am, em never reply me

My friend shut up.

If not Eriksson that because of free money went to England to stain his white. JJC EPL fans don't know his pedigree before coming to coach England.

Do you know what it is to win Serie A with Lazio right under the nose of Juve, Inter, Parma and Milan?? Win multiple Copa Italias, European Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Super cup

patrickmuf:
It is shocking the kind of claims one gets to read here. If you probe further, I'm sure he'd mention the world cup. The arguments here sometimes are ridiculous.

In a couple of years from now, one clown will come here to say the English team of 2018 was better than that of Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney.

World Cup, Euros. No major tournament for club and country has Schweinsteiger not flexed his muscles in the midfield.

patrickmuf:
Scholes is not inferior to Bastian Schweinsteiger in anyway neither is Lampard.

Your opinion bruv. Schweinsteiger delivered for club and country. Something you cannot say for either player you mentioned

Greatihex:
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

Stop playing Captain Pedantic. Anybody with working brain knows what I meant

airmark:
We still remember what Baggio did to knock Nigeria out and to get Italy to USA 94 cup final.

Schweiny was a local champion. He never made FIFA XI 2nd team, let alone main FIFA XI.

I can't remember him for doing anything extraordinary consistently.

Because you're infatuated with polling booth awards and not what the player actually does on the pitch.

From 2006-2014 during Germany's resurgence and at Bayern the common denominator in the midfield is Schweinsteiger. One man MOPOL. If you need goal he can score, if na assist he can provide, if na to play DM e fit play am

Kimbeast:
Capello flopped because he was dick headed manager and by the time he was in charge England no longer had most it's golden generation.Sven who was a clueless Goat that just picked players base on reputation was the one who mis managed England. if England didn't have a manager who was a 4-4-2 slave and could find a system to fit Lampard, Gerrard and scholes together they would have won something. I repeat again the golden generation had a fantastic defence, a solid goalkeeper, amazing midfielders (so many in fact that it created a problem because the coaches wanted them all in there and the balance was off) and very good strikers. Give them a good manager and it would have been a different story.

Lmaoooo only Jesus can manage this English team at last because I've never seen so many excuses in all my years in this forum.

Capello is a dick head? Eriksson who had wiped every trophy in Italy even taking ordinary Lazio to a Scudetto and winning the Cup Winners Cup is a clueless goat? Same Eriksson that took Benfica to CL Final (would have joined Trappatoni as only coach to win all 3 Major European trophies) only to narrowly lose to Milan is clueless?

England is like an olodo child that doesn't know Maths. Even if you hire Phillip Emegweali to teach him he will still fail and you will say it's his fault and not the olodo child

Happy 30th birthday to the Raumdeuter Thomas Mueller

I pray that anywhere where him form lost may he find it this season. Because I no understand how 30 year old go don lana since like 3 seasons ago.

Thanks for the trophies and the great goals and memories

airmark:
Na BRT driver or danfo?

I can only appreciate him for losing his penalty against Chelsea and he didn't drink sniper after.

If Roberto Baggio can miss penalty then nothing spoil. In the span of two years he won the CL and became a World Champion. Tell me about Lampard

Kimbeast:
The golden generation certainly failed, but it almost certainly wasn't down to a lack of talent or players being overrated. It's down to shoddy management and stupid coaches hence Rooney is correct. It's not just about only Guardiola,give that team to Ferguson, Mourinho even Lippi back then and see them dominate.

Story for the gods. It's widely acknowledged that International football does not require the technical skills that club football demands from the average coach.

Aime Jacquet, Roger Lemerre, Felipe Scolari, Joachim Loew, Fernando Santos, Otto Rehhagel and recently Didier Deschamps are coaches that have thrown your theory to the dustbin.

We see people question Zidane's technical abilities too but Madrid's squad quality saw them win 3 trebles in a row.

If England players were not over hyped they will not be failing back to back from 2002-2016

airmark:
They had a stronger team yet they didn't make any finals.

It's not about not having quality players, there's more to it and Ibime had pointed out one or two things earlier.

Meanwhile, don't bring Schweinsteiger near Lampard again. Thanks.

What are you talking about stronger team??

According to your guy here we're told Ashley Cole was the best LB in the world.

John Racist and Jegbo Ferdinand the best CB in the world

Lampard/Gerrard/Scholes we know their pedigree

Rooney best young player in the World.

This does not apply to the Dutch National team as you cannot tell me with a straight face that they paraded players with those accolades whether via hype or based on the reality from defense to attack compared to England's supposed golden generation.

Why can't I bring Schweinsteiger to Lampard? Prime Schweinsteiger drove Bayern midfield to 3 CL Finals and the National Mannschaft to a Euro Finals and a World Cup title. While Lampard broke the record of most shots at goal without a goal in World Cup history

I really hope KD sees a therapist men. Mental health is really really important. Like Jalen said "the score of the game doesn't necessarily make you happy in life" not even if you're KD who is clearly winning at it.

Just the unwillingness to move on from these things is just..