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Are you sure you people want that Liverpool smoke with Lenglet, Pique and Umtiti as your CB options?

raumdeuter:
He doesnt appear to know what he is doing or what he is trying to implement and the longer he stays the more time he wastes of those players career

In the same vein I'd hate for us to be doing hire and fire like Chelsea. I wouldn't mind if he's giving a stay of execution and a clear mandate to get Bayern to at least the semifinals of the CL.

Unlike last season this year we have made a decent amount of reinforcements and so Kovac has no excuse not to deliver. I don't even care for the league Dortmund can have that. My full attention is on Europe

raumdeuter:
Anything to make dem sack am is fine by me

I'm open to him proving himself. He just doesn't strike me as someone who knows what he is doing half the time

If Kovac no top this group dem suppose sack am walahi

airmark:


Massive L o all those haters. This could have been a Chelsea defender, but those mumus at the helms of affairs preferred Rudiger.

Middle finger to the monikers below too.

Raumdeuter, a40, lordfalcao.

Ode. You're celebrating polling booth award. Van Dijk deserved this award as much as Modric deserved it last year.

You're a troglodyte if you think Van Dijk would have achieved any recognition with David Lulz at CB and Kepa Aribisala in goal.

nihilistjnr:
This kind of idiotic nonsense infuriates me.

CR7 no reach?

Have you watched CR7 actually play?

I'm not even talking about the fact that the man was banging 40-50 goal seasons consecutively for fun.

Or the fact that the man has 4 UCL medals, and 6 domestic league medals

Have you actually watched him play?

*5

The Ororo vs De Lima argument is almost like the Brady vs Rodgers debate. One is more naturally gifted while the other maximized what he had and became greater

I personally would take Ororo but if you choose De Lima I won't argue with you (5 years ago I would not have entertained this debate because I watched Fenomeno on a weekly basis and he was electrifying)

I like that the coach brought in some fresh blood as it can be argued the squad was getting rather stale.

The issue is these new guys he is bringing on board some like steady has mentioned are and were not exactly lighting it up for their teams. With the NBA ones bar Okojie on the extreme end of the bench.

There's enough to get past that group anyway. Not advancing past would be failure IMO

That Roma squad had prime Cafu and also had Walter Samuel in defense. That's the team una dey call average. Make una dey fear God oh

afrodoc2:
Yeah that might be his problem. He looks and talks tough but he is a bit of a softie.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steelers but at a point in time one has to expect more than just winning seasons based on the wealth of talent he has had at his disposal.

I think you have to consider firstly his relative youth. It's harder to be pulling a Bill Belichick when as at when he became coach he was almost agemates with the older players and even this present generation of players will likely see him more like your cool uncle than a coach thanks to his personality

You must also understand that as a black coach in this league he will not have the kind of cache. Look around the league and consider that apart from Tony Dungy and Marvin Lewis in league history you cannot point to another black that has been able to lead a team for over a decade. You cannot be applying the hard line stance on all issues because if it backfires and you lose your job your chances of becoming head coach again are next to nil

I will also agree he needs to do better and losing to the Jaguars, Broncos and events of last season are definitely a black eye in his tenure as HC. However the perspective for me is barring the Patriots who it must be said enjoy the luxury of a relatively weaker division, no other team can really say they have done better than Tomlin

Ibime:
What is this one saying? Ronaldo 1990s form was above any height Zidane and Ronaldinho reached. Good grief.

BTW, Totti never competed on Ronaldinho level. When Totti was in his prime, he was never in contention on World level. Ronaldinho and co saw competition in Sheva, Lampard, Gerrard,.Kaka et al who ran the 2000s, not no Totti. God forbid, I would be the no10 in a World Cup winning side and they totally overlook me and crown a bloody centre back like Cannavaro with no mention of my name.

Totti was a local champion during the decline of Serie.A. The height of SerieA was late 80s to late 90s. Serie A were whipping boys in 2000s with the exception of Milan.

We can smell your inexperience,.and know that you missed the 1990s from this post. Being close to Ronaldo in the late 90s is the closest thing to God level.

This is not dem say, dem say. DelPiero played with Zidane throughout late 90s and Zidane was 2nd fiddle to DelPiero throughout.


Young niggas/ God keep me from.these young niggas/
Not the smart ones Lord, just the. . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAuo8XAXCk

Nothing else I wan add to this. Totti was highly overrated

Kimbeast:
Totti’s career can be split into two parts, before ankle injury (1993-2005) and after injury (2006-2017). He clearly was never the same player after, he changed from a world class 10 into a good forward.

Like Ibime has rightly pointed out to you. Del Piero's prime was at a time when Serie A was in it's Golden Age. When Inter was loaded and Milan were relevant both home and abroad. 23 year old Del Piero was already in Balon D'or picture and to an extent led or was an important contributor to Juventus getting to 3 straight CL Finals. All at 23!!!

Kimbeast:
Totti From 2000-2004 was as good as any other player on the planet. Madrid went for him twice but he refused. Del Piero at his best was nearly as good as Ronaldo. Totti was right up there with Zidane and Dinho during those period. Del Piero was simply not as gifted, nor was his peak anywhere near as long, as Totti's.
He was a star man in vastly superior sides though. Totti carried Roma to a league title in 2001, and came within only 1 point of Juventus in 2002. Then he carried a relatively poor Roma side to another title challenge in 2004. This was around the time when Serie A was arguably the best league in the world.

Totti right up there with Zidane and Dinho?? This has to be a joke surely.

Carried Roma indeed. Where did you throw Batistuta? That Roma squad were not a squad of bums like you're trying to paint here

Did you really just say 00/01? Seems you have forgotten Roma had Angel Gabriel. Gabriel Batistuta in Roma's title winning season where he dropped 20 goals. Vincenzo Montella was also on that team. What are you talking about?

And that 01/02 season you speak of. Totti missed 10 games. His total contributions were 8 goals and 1 assist. So I would like you to explain how a player who only scored 8 out of his team's 58 goals and created just 1 assist can be said to have carried the team.

And sorry but by the early noughties La Liga had already overtaken Serie A as the strongest league in Europe.

Kimbeast:
The one big criticism of Totti was his inconsistent international career even at that he is still a superior player to Del piero who was lucky to have played in a world class team

Fa fa fa foul. Roma had a decent squad and were not nearly as bad as you are trying to claim. It could even be argued that Roma underachieved based on the talent available.

Del Piero on the other hand played key roles in all his team's successes and in his prime led Juve to the top of European football. This dwarfs any achievements of Totti

Roland17:
I am going to end my own argument by stating that the 98/99 cruciate ligament rupture that is being used to make excuses for Del Piero is the same cruciate ligament injury Totti suffered in 07/08. Guess what? They suffered the injury on the same knee, with Totti's even more severe but somehow Totti rehabbed better and spent 112 days while Del Piero spent 234 days. So what is the excuse now?

Speaking about injuries, Del Piero spent 316 days injured in comparison to Totti who spent 583 injured and out of the game. Totti suffered more injuries on different parts of his body in comparison to Del Piero whose injury history is limited.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/francesco-totti/verletzungen/spieler/5958
https://www.transfermarkt.us/alessandro-del-piero/verletzungen/spieler/4289

I can not continue to argue based on subjective points only when they favor Del Piero.

Great debate @A40, you always have my respect baba.

It's all good bruv. And vice versa at all times.

The purpose of debate is to try to diminish the opposing person's feat as much as you can within legal limits.

So even you yourself admit Del Piero required more time to rehab which means perhaps what he was dealing with transcended Totti's situation. People recover differently and it's not all players that return to the same levels they were before.

There is also a massive time lapse/vacuum in that your list. Unless you're telling me Del Piero did not miss any time through injury for 11 straight seasons then some thing is not quite right with that your list

My point is the height of Del Piero and the little he was able to accomplish after shows that no thanks to injury we would never be able to know just how good he could have been but still he did enough to outrank Totti

Kimbeast:
Then explain how he went from a young baggio heir to Prime Rooney in just one summer?

I'm sure it's dope that aids your ability to deliver dead balls and dribble as well. I don't know where you got this from but by arguing with you about it I'm already doing Del P a disservice. So I will stop

Roland17:
OOOOOO LORD!!!!!!!!! Baba, I give up! As if using the injury excuses is not enough, you want to use your subjective interpretation of individual awards to discredit Totti's achievements? Kaii. I give up Baba!!! lol.

It's not a matter of giving up or not giving up. If Totti did not challenge himself to join a club where he can face the best of Europe every season then why should that be on Del Piero?

One player was facing the likes of Bayern, Madrid, Monaco, Man United, Barcelona, Ajax in their prime and netting them.

We should now stick to the one shining against Palermo, Reggiana and Livorno on a weekly basis but did zilch in Europe

We should then go to Azzuri where Totti's best was in a World Cup where they faced

USA
Ghana
Czech Republic
Australia
Ukraine

And those were the teams Totti went to pad his stats against. How??

Ibime:
You might be of slightly younger generation Sir.

Nobody who saw Ronaldo pre-1998 would compare him to 2000s Ronaldo.

He was a shadow of himself by then.

I can't believe anyone who watched Ronaldo will even be making that argument.

Even with aid of Google you can see every thing post 99 dip nevermind if you actually saw him play

Roland17:
Did you say 1 La Liga? Wrong! Ronald won 2 La Liga titles 02/03, 06/07. I expect you belittle that among the others I mentioned before this post. 05/06, he finished as the highest goal scorer in the South American qualification table and we all know how tough that zone is. I listed more at least 6 individual records/ titles Ronaldo won post-injury. I can imagine a world where every player made excuses for their injury. I have debunked all your questions but you keep shifting the goal post.

I am waiting for a response to these questions.

Hahahaha are you La Liga BBVA that awarded Ronaldo title in 2007? He had left by January and I doubt he had more than 5 appearances. Ronaldo has just 1 La Liga to his name bruv

His individual records I have listed in a pinch. He won the World Cup and the Pichichi.

80% of Ronaldo's accolades came before his injury. I can't believe this is even an argument.

The real Ronaldo was 96-98 every Ronaldo afterwards was a watered down version. Similar to Del Piero who also still won a Golden Boot in Serie A, led the league in assists and helped Juventus to a CL Final.

Roland17:
Bar the Serie A you said? How about individual records playing for Italy? You only want to mention goals abi? How about assist records between both players where Del Piero’s numbers dwarf Totti’s despite Del Piero having more appearances and minutes played? You want to avoid that one abi? How about Italian player of the year which Totti won 5 times in comparison to Del Piero’s 2. so what is Del Piero’s excuse this time?

Well since Del Piero is ahead on goals and Totti ahead on assists. Ojoro don cancel

Player of the Year is your normal polling booth award and you know how I feel about polling booth awards.

The koko is when they both faced the big boys of Europe

Del Piero 90 apps 42 goals, a CL title and a CL Golden Boot. Tell me what Totti achieved

Roland17:
Because you chose to exclude the World Cup, Confederation Cup, FIFA player of the year, Balon D’Or and La Liga titles he won win Real. Ronaldo suffered the horrific injury in 1999 in a game against Lecce but some how rehabbed and continued with his greatness post 1999, so what is Del Piero’s own excuse?

You can win an award and still not be the same player. Because I know you can't tell me with a straight face that Ronaldo of 96/98 is comparable to what we saw afterwards.

The individual awards Ronaldo won was all in one season. He had a great World Cup but if it were now we both know he might not have even won the Balon D'or

5 years at Real. 1 La Liga title, 1 Pichichi, and Intercontinental Cup. How is that one continuation of greatness?

Kimbeast:
Over the course of the respective careers Totti is the better player, there's really no argument otherwise worth even considering
Del Piero in his best season though(97/98) was better than Totti at any point in his career. Though having said that, Del Piero was most likely Doped up to his eyeballs that season.

His goals and all-round performances against elite Europe opposition does not agree with this claim.

No credible source has found or indicted Del Piero for any type of dope use so it's better you return that claim to where you found it because it's completely disrespectful to allege a man cheated without verifiable evidence. I'm sure if you were an athlete you will not take kindly to such claims

Roland17:
Conversely, I will make the argument that Totti played for a team that competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Roma. Totti competed against financial giants like Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan. Roma’s financial clout was not comparable to these teams yet he achieved these records.
If roles were switched and Del Piero player for Roma throughout his career and Totti played for Juventus, would Del Piero achieve 2/10 of what Totti achieved with Roma?

I can also make argument that Wenger competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Wenger. Arsenal didn't have any financial clout compared to United, City and Chelsea so Wenger must be the best coach known to man

If roles are reversed I'm sure Del Piero will win more than 3 major titles in 22 years. What we are unsure of though is if Totti who was a local champion at Roma would be able to perform at Juve where the standards and expectations are much higher

PDPGuy:
Here is the final D’Tigers roster for the World Cup:

Vincent Nnamdi, Chimezie Metu, Ike Diogu, Ike Iroegbu, Michael Eric, Benjamin Uzoh, Al Farouk Aminu, Zanna Talib, Stanley Okoye, Jordan Nwora, Joshua Okogie, Ekpe Udoh

Wow. Alade Aminu didn't make the squad

Kimbeast:
Totti was never able to replicate his form with Roma with Italy. To be fair Del Piero struggled in that respect too (although he scored much more goals - 27 in 97 games).

Totti was good at Euro 2000 and at World Cup 2006. Didn't do a lot inbetween, but an important role in reaching the final of one tournament and winning another isn't a bad international record.

Even the peak of Totti's achievement for the Azzuri this was his opposition

USA
Ukraine
Ghana
Czech Republic
Australia

3 debutants, and another team that had been absent for 32 years. His production came vs those teams

Kimbeast:
Both were amazing players and the difference between them is very slim, but I have to go for Totti.
In both their primes, Del Piero was probably a bit better. However, after his injury in the late 90's, Del Piero was never quite the same player.
Totti is superior due to the fact that he's overall a better player and he's more of an asset to a team. He was far more versatile and could play as a striker, second striker, attacking midfielder, and he was world class in all the positions he played in. Totti was also a much better passer and physically stronger.
Del Piero has won more titles, but he has also played with a far better team.

I have seen enough from Del Piero's prime and even when he was not at his prime he was still able to make important contributions to his team's success.

For me there is nothing Totti is doing that Del Piero cannot do if required. Del Piero can play all 3 positions you listed above, was an absolute sniper from free kick range and the much better dribbler.
When he was asked to create he led the league in assists

The Del Piero winning more titles can only be a negative if he was a passenger for those titles but he absolutely was not so that argument is DOA

Kimbeast:
How can you call totti overrated........ seriously. That Totti is even mentioned in the same sentence as Del Piero despite the disparity in team quality is a testament to how good Totti really was.

It is easier to shine when you're the big fish in a small pond. Who knows what Fabregas's career would look like had he never left Arsenal.

You mention team quality but it is players like Del Piero that provided that quality. It's not coincidental that his peak saw Juve as the strongest team in Elite Europe

Roland17:
Del Piero did not stop playing g football in 2006 did he?

Ahn ahn why is it so hard for you to show me a severe injury Totti suffered while entering his prime like Del Piero did. You even mentioned Ronaldo but you left out the fact that even he was never quite the same after.

Roland17:
It is not Del Piero’s fault that Totti chose to remain with Roma despite offers from the best clubs in the world. So why should Totti be burdened with the fact that Del Piero could not stay healthy? Totti dragged a lowly Roma to 9 2nd place finishes in the Serie A, just think about that.

That's his wahala. The important thing is even with the injury history Del Piero outscored Totti in every competition aside the Serie A.

It's nobody's fault that Totti could not make any impact in Europe and lead Roma to even an Intertoto Cup.

raumdeuter:
DelPiero and Ronaldo were the young future of football in the late 90s

I still remember DelPiero vs Ajax in 1996 final. He was unreal

E no go better for injury.

Roland17:
Fa fa fa! Foul!!! Let us debate about their respective records in the Serie A and the Italian National Teams. I have posted their respective records and individual honors up there. When Totti won the golden boot in the Serie A, he also won the Euro golden boot in the process unlike Del Piero. What was the highest number of goal Del Piero scored in a Serie A season in comparison to Del Piero?

Lewwwl why will I debate about the Serie A and Italian NT record alone? Is that the only competition they played?

Golden Boot is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It only proves that among all the leagues you scored the most goals. You cannot definitely compare to winning the Champions League Golden Boot.

Del Piero scored at least 10 goals for 17 Serie A seasons. That is more relevant than one hot season.

Let's not even go to Europe because I know shame for Totti will not let you ageee

Roland17:
All these subjective variables just to favor Del Piero is only making my case. Totti’s injury history shows he was out at different stages in his career and had numerous surgeries so I will not allow you guys define the narrative of this argument based on Del Piero’s injury woes.

07/08 Totti was out for 112

When you win back to back league titles (in what was universally acknowledged as the best league in Europe at the time), win the CL Golden Boot, get to back to back to back CL Finals as the star man of your team and then suffer a devastating injury in your prime then I think the What if scenario is very valid.

You still didn't show me the season before that 2006 that Totti suffered any severe injury that would suggest he was a shadow of himself for the most part of his International team career

chic2pimp:
No excuses I admit but still Him playing in a more advanced role partly contributed to that.

In Korea Japan, eventhough they were both pants, Guess who had the better tourney? Yup you guessed right Totti did

In 2004, As per usual, Alex disappers yet again after being given the task of leading the team in the absence of Totti. Fiore and Pirlo(sign of things to come) were our best players.

In 2006, whether nah Set pieces abi nah party tricks, a half fit Totti was the better player of the two. As i said earlier as far as the Azzuris are concerned, Totti shone brighter. It's not even up for debate.

How did Totti have the better tourney in Korea Japan? Is it not the same Totti that was huffing and puffing on the pitch till Del Piero came off the bench to save them from disgrace?

How did Alex disappear? He provided the match winner in their only game they won while Totti was spitting on people like a pregnant woman after their opening match.

In 06 Totti went to the WC and padded stats against World Cup debutants like Ghana, Ukraine and Czech Republic. Scored a dodgy penalty vs another footballing giant like Australia and that's shining. Okrrrrrrr

Roland17:
Baba, first it was the assists were corner kicks and set pieces, now it is 71 of those goals came from PK like Del Piero did not score PKs? Is it Totti's fault that he was skilled in taking these kicks in comparison to Del Piero? But you are quick to mention Del Piero converted his spot-kick but the same can not be argued for Totti? I am not buying all these subjective excuses that can not be also made for the Golden Boy.

But I am stating nothing but facts here. 36% of Totti's goals came from the spot.

Del Piero was an equally skilled penalty and free kick specialist as well but the gulf between the difficulty of scoring from a penalty and a free kick is quite significant.

The question is in elite Europe why does Totti have absolutely nothing to show at any level. Whether CL, Europa League even Intertoto Cup. And don't tell me it's because he stayed in Roma because nobody send am message

Roland17:
66 of 91 is 2/3 of his entire appearances. Totti can make a similar argument when you consider he played lesser minutes and was also suffered injuries intermittently. I don't buy this injury argument you guys are coming with.

No he actually can't. I want you to show me a season where Totti suffered an injury that kept him out from November till the next season before 2006.

I'm saying anything you got out of Del Piero after 98 was jara. So for over 66% of his NT career what you were seeing wasn't really prime Del Piero

Don't compare to Totti who retired after the 2006 World Cup