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steady986:
Lol. In other words, Siakam is likely to improve to AD's level while AD is likely to stagnate for Siakam to catch up with him. Nice analysis bro.

You need Brighter Grammar

Anyway come and explain how Giannis caught up with AD. 3 years ago only a crazeman will mention Giannis and AD in the same breath. Did AD stagnate or why are they comparable now?

Roland17:
Baba, you are making my point which I was very specific about. Based on your argument, AD would have to suffer a career changing injury, stagnate, regress significantly for Siakam to stand any chance of catching up to AD worth more surpassing him. And this is in the instance Siakam development does not stall either. To me that is an unfair argument against AD because it places him at a disadvantage. If every variable remains constant and based on their respective skill and natural ability, Siakam does not stand any chance. AD is a very very rare talent!

Both took different paths to get to where they are presently. Siakam is just starting the journey so it is pointless comparing based on historical production

What I am saying is AD joined a better team and so his numbers were likely to suffer a slight dip regardless, which is the price you pay for joining a loaded team. There is a reason AD did not stay in New Orleans, he left so he can improve his legacy on a better team so I don't know how it is a disadvantage. KD did it, even his mentor LeNomad did it. This would not be an excuse

There is nothing about variable or constant. This is about how well they can produce in similar roles and keeping their teams competitive while at it.

If James Harden could go from a 15ppg 6th man to a 35ppg MVP perennial candidate then Siakam can too. This is the koko of what I've been saying

Between 15/16 season and 17/18 season. Giannis went from.

17/7/4 to 27/10/5

I'm sure back then if you suggested Giannis could be as good as AD they would call you crazy

Roland17:
It would be difficult to near impossible to make that case for Siakam, especially when you consider the age difference between both players is just 1. AD is 26 while Siakam is 25. I don’t see AD slowing down or regressing anytime soon except a career altering/ ending injury occurs and Siakam would have to work his tails out to catch up with, worth more surpassing AD. If Siakam was like 5-7 years younger than AD then I may consider your school of thought. AD is an exceptional talent who can surpass the peak he achieved in New Orleans and that is scary.

If we're arguing based on AD's previous body of work then absolutely we all know Siakam as a late Bloomer by default has no hope of reaching that level.

However if you're telling me Siakam cannot keep improving to the level AD is now then I disagree. We cannot argue about who is more naturally gifted, the more athletic player and all but in terms of pure production there is nothing suggesting Siakam cannot get to that level. 3-4 years ago nobody was talking about Giannis as anything remotely resembling an MVP contender but today he is arguably the best player in the league, James Harden was a sixth man in OKC but we saw what he was able to do in an expanded role.

There is nothing that suggests that AD cannot stagnate or that his production will not take a hit by nature of the stacked team he is playing for. I would rather watch the drama play out than put a ceiling on what a player can or cannot do

xwolverine:
He’s actually my favourite player right next to VanVleet, but come on! AD is a glitch, he shouldn’t be as good as he is by human standards.

Pskills is playing in a system that won the chip last season, AD was phenomenal on a shitty Pelicans team who’s next best player was Julius fucking Randle and still he bodied everyone he faced, don’t let his current average performances fool you, he is going to get a hang of it once the team chemistry improves. Plus, AD(26) is just a year older than pskills(25), are you saying he’s going to be as good within a year?

This is the best Pskills has looked and he’s still not matched AD with an average performance. Let’s be factual bruuuuh

You guys are being unnecessarily emotional about this banter. Nobody said he is as good as AD. Not me at least

However if he keeps improving there is no reason to suggest he cannot be in the discussion. This is a guy that has gone from 7pts per game to 17pts per game and thus far averaging 27-9-3. So you mean to tell me if Siakam keeps producing at this rate and can carry Toronto to solid playoff runs (what AD never did btw) that we wouldn't be able to compare both?? I don't buy that!

Already I can argue he is a better 3pt shooter than AD. And can only improve the rest of his game as he gets more polished. We have never seen Siakam hold down an expanded role like this season and thus far there is nothing to suggest he can never be AD level. He is not AD level now but don't tell me he can't be.

He is averaging 27 a game on 49.7% shooting, his EFG is also higher, the numbers don't lie

xwolverine:
Concluding cos of one loss? You hate to see it

What are you chatting? He will never be as good or what? Nobody is saying he is as good as AD atm at least I'm not but he is showing potential. Time will tell

yomi96:
i think pascal aka spicy p is better than AD, its just my opinion, fakers dont get butthurt.

Lol I don't know about better, I wouldn't go that far but can he go on to surpass AD if he continues at this rate? Of course

steady986:
He's never been saddled with that responsibility because coaches know who Klay is—a second fiddle player. And he's more contempt with hiding under the shadows of other stars.

Lool. With the way you're going on one would think you have coached one NBA practice session

Abi are you an NBA coach in disguise?

xwolverine:
Yes, he is, or how do you describe his style of play?

Ok oh. Yoruba go talk say "Ofe l'ohun"

Klay Thompson is a 3 and D guy?

Mo daaran

iamoyindamola:
LFC don't have bench, is it origi, lalana or ox that can change game

Origi? Ox? Really?

SmooshCHN:
Dude was signed by the Warriors to a two way contract. I don't know what then happened. Next thing we're seeing him blocking LeBron like China and Facebook

His story is quite inspiring. He barely played last season and this year and his first game getting major minutes he played like that. Speaks to how well they are being coached and his motivation levels. They also had an undrafted rookie that scored double digits

KNIGHTBlaed:
There's only one king in L.A and he's The Klaw. Spicy P's time will come but it's Kawhi's tenure now

Lmao e no sure for anybody oh. Till them play

Lool who is that Chris Boucher guy wey wan use block kill LeNomad? Baba chop like 3 blocks

Tomorrow we will find out who is the real King of L.A. Kawhi Leonard or Pascal Siakam

Timi141:
After all of you slept on the Mavs in the off-season you're all beginning to see the light. I'm just waiting for Luka and KP to build that pick and roll chemistry

Lol be like you're mistaking me for someone else. Anyway it's too early and this team is still ridiculously over reliant on Luka but the potential is there

Thecassanova:
A difficult call. Maybe the leg of that guy beside Mane.

Lmaoooo Salah was definitely not offside. If we have to use microscope to see it then he probably wasn't. This hair splitting is tiring

raumdeuter:
Imagine this

This merely shows that one set of referee na pako and the other set na suegbe. Imagine taking 3 minutes to view VAR and still get the decision wrong

raumdeuter:
Other defenders in such situation hide their hand behind them, Trent did not and makes him culpable for any contact his hand gets on the ball

Some do and some don't. Smart refs use their discretion and know the difference that is why they said CAN and not will for exceptional cases like this where Sterling was trying to be smart

Thecassanova:
According to the rule below, Sissoko raised his arm above shoulder-height and made his frame bigger. This means it’s most likely to be given than TAA with no raising. It’s that simple.

This thing is black and white now. Sterling took aim at his hands. That is what is annoying me the most

Obere4u:
Mane wasn't looking at Sisoko?

Na wa to u bros.

If Mané was looking he would not have hit his torso. You can literally see Sissoko batting the ball with his extended arm. You people please everything is not unnecessary argument

Eruditor:
Aurier did not lose possession. He only made contact with Mane whilst kicking the ball. The videos are online. Nobody can argue that.

There is nothing about working the system. I asked a question: if the ball deflected off TAAs hands and got into the Liverpool post would the ref have cancelled the goal?

Did he have possession? They both got up from the floor, Mané would not beat him to the ball if he was in possession. Neither player was in possession of the ball

No. Why would they? On what grounds! His hands were not in an unnatural position. Sterling passed the ball to his hands from 2 yards out, only a rookie ref would fall for such tricks

raumdeuter:
Most defenders jump and turn so the ball doesnt hit them in the face. His hand was right beside him or where should his hand be if not his side?

Trent hand was beside him, Kimpembe hand was beside him. One was a penalty one wasnt

Trent had no shot at getting his hands from the way because Sterling aimed at it.

In Kimpembe's case his hands were clearly away from his body and in anticipation of a long range shot. No defender jumps like that while trying to block a shot. His hands were in an unnatural position. Trent's wasn't

Eruditor:
Aurier was in possession. He controlled the ball. If he decided to dive instead of kicking the ball it would have been his foul. Refs choose when to use a rule and today the ref was wrong.

TAAs hands blocked the ball from going somewhere one of which could have been inside his own net. If the ref gave the penalty. He won't be wrong. That is why it is a double standard. Because he can pick and choose when to allow a rule.

How are you in possession and you have to kick Mané before kicking the ball. I'm still not understanding this your logic. Him diving without contact would have made him look even more stupid. The ref rightly adjudged Aurier to have lost possession. That ball belonged to nobody at that point

No the 'double standards' is to avoid players working the system. Like Sterling was trying to do. Trent's hands did not leave his body, they were at his side. That discretion is so that players don't exploit loopholes in blanket rules

Obere4u:
Y'all forgot how Mane aimed for Sisoko hand in ucl final last season

He was not even looking at Sissoko, Sissoko literally barged into the box and his arms were horizontal and away from his body. Haba you guys stop comparing Kick n Start to Jack Daniels

popizaino:
Yes he stretched his hand but never in a deliberate attempt to block off the ball. Mane put the ball on his hand and a penalty of given. Arnold too never had his hands at his back so a penalty should have been given.

Did Boateng intend on touching the ball vs Italy? Let's be real. Sissoko was literally directing traffic in box 18.

Mané was not even looking at Sissoko. Sissoko literally barged into the box directing traffic like Yellow Fever. I'm literally watching the replay as we speak. His scenario and that of TAA was completely different

Eruditor:
Mane stepped in when a player who was in possession was going to kick the ball. The player's legs made contact with Mane and ref gave a penalty. He did not protect the defender here.

In TAA's case, your argument is that TAA had nowhere to keep his hands. So ref protected him because of that. To me, is a double standard.

If the ref would not have given a penalty would the goal have stood? Or will it be cancelled because someone's hand touched it?

How? How was Aurier in possession there? That was a 50/50 ball and all talk of protection flies out the window. Mané did not impede Aurier at all

Yes. TAA had no where to put his hands. Sterling literally aimed at his hands. That pass was from 2.5 yards out.

The ref may decide to cancel or not cancel the goal. We see refs ignore fouls on attacking players preceding a goal when a goal is eventually scored all the time.

raumdeuter:
What was the natural position of Kimpembes arm here?

That shot was coming from a further distance, Kimpembe turned his back to goal also trying to work the system because nobody jumps like that in the box. TAA's hands were by his side with Sterling passing to it from 2 yards completely different scenarios

Eruditor:
You intercept when someone is ceding possession by trying to pass. That is why even when you take the ball from a player in possession from behind refs will call it a foul because you took it illegally. That is the argument.

TAA's hands were not in a natural position because they were away from his body. If that ball had deflected into the net, the ref would have issued a penalty instead. Do you agree?

Did Mané make contact with either player before stealing in front of them? Did he make contact with the player at all because I'm trying to understand the grounds any ref would blow for anything, last I checked it was not a free kick.

No I don't

raumdeuter:
Basically CAN be used when it favors one team and not the other

Gab Jesus scored VAR ruled out for an accidental handball by someone else, Trent handled the ball twice in the box today they claimed it was accidental

Has nothing to do with the team. You can see even the article you posted

CAN was used for the defensive team

WILL was used for the offensive team

Segedinho:
What abt d penalty nd the red card given to Chelsea vs Ajax. ......
Was it delibrate

Didn't watch the match.

raumdeuter:
Handball: Players can be penalised for accidental as well as deliberate handball. For example, if the ball hits an individual on the arm and is deemed to have made their frame bigger.

These discretions only happen to work one way to give Liverpool the win

Emphasis on can. They used can not will