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Ersan:
Lebron can play and defend all 5 positions, jordan cant

You are a joker. Lebron can't guard Centers, I can't even count how many times I have seen him run from Centers. Only one player in the league can guard all 5 positions. Draymond Green

Ersan:
Lebron can be just as good a scorer as anyone else. Greatest driver ever.

Typical millenial. You didn't watch M.J, There is more to driving and scoring than running and dunking like a neandarthal

Ersan:
They say lebron doesnt have the clutch gene but in the playoffs in game tying or winning situations, lebron is 6/12 while jordan is 5/11

Where did you find the bogus and unofficial stats for M.J? No site can bring those stats up so comot for here with your bogus stats

Ersan:
Parker HOF
Duncan HOF
Ginobli HOF
Kawhi Special
Popovich, HOF greatest manager
of all time.
Stop it, bosh is not going to
make it to the HOF. And like said,
the dallas loss is the only true
dent on his resume. He
disappeared.

So Ginobili would make HOF but Bosh won't? You must be sniffing arabic gum

Ersan:
Thats a paradox, its impossible
as theres a difference of 1
currently.

No shyte Captain Obvious. I have to explain hyperbole to you as well?

Ersan:
There are details that don't matter, we pick things that stand out. You mentioned these people were shooters a lot of teams had good shooters, why bring them up?

How many teams have 4 shooters that could spread the floor like the Heat did. Sit down and be humble Millenial

Ersan:
Ray allen kerr and paxson made shots and plays that mattered and are outstanding shooters, thats why we're talking about them.

You suck! Even at bandwagoning. So you didn't know that Mike Miller helped your queen win his first title by knocking down 7 3's in Game 5 vs OKC. Smfh

Ersan:
Congrats, you just played yourself again!

I thought you said numbers dont lie and then listed the number of championships Jordan has?

Are you not questioning russells competition like i am jordans?

Shame on you!

There were 29 teams in GOAT's era. How many in Bill Russell's? You think people that tagged M.J as the GOAT are unaware of Russell's rings?

Opolo e ti yoro

Ersan:
Jeeez! Now you're getting too nit picky.

Paying attention to detail might be tagged as 'nit picky' to a simple mind like yours

Ersan:
Duncan is 5-1

bill russell has 11 rings

Horry has 7 rings

What is Horry's average? Was he even a starter? Ol boy you well so?

How many NBA teams were around in Russell's era?

Guy show small intelligence na

Ersan:
And btw *4-4. Dont sleep on the king yet small fry.

I know once the Cavs lose you would vanish like the fart of a leprous witch as cougar would say

Ersan:
FORGET ACCOMPLISHMENTS

WHY DONT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT BILL RUSSELLS ELEVEN RINGS?

WHO PLAYS BASKETBALL BETTER?

APART FROM FT's LEBRON CAN DO EVERYTHING JORDAN CAN DO, ONLY BETTER.

LEBRON IS ANAKIN SKYWALKER. THE CHOSEN ONE!

BORN OF BASKETBALL MIDICHLORIANS.

GOAT!

The GOAT was the better defender, scorer, more clutch performer. LeFlop is just a stats hog

The prime GOAT with two HOF starters would never lose to goddamn 37 year old Ginobili and Tim Duncan or old asss Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry

LeFlop deadass about to lose more Finals than the GOAT won.

Ersan:
Point is about you bringing ray allens 3 points into this.

They also had Mike Miller, Rashad Lewis. They had 4 shooters

Ersan:
He came back a year and a half later and got swept in the first round.

Nope they got to the 2nd round. And you said it yourself. A year and a half

Ersan:
Ahh the serpent! Win or lose, lebron is still GOAT!

The numbers don't lie 6-0 always will top 3-5

Ersan:
Read the article i recommended.

Good, sometimes very good, never great. Hall of fame should be for greats, its the exclusivity that makes it what it is.

There are lots of good not great players there. If T-Mac, Yao Ming are there I can't take any analyst that omits Bosh from that list seriously

Ersan:
One of the greatest defender/rebounders of all time. Facts

He was a 35 year old reject who joined a 3x champion. He owes M.J for revitalizing his career

Ersan:
No he wasnt, special was the word i used. Currently the best two way player in the NBA. Would have given your warriors a worthy challenge if you didnt Zaza him.

Its a pity

Ersan:
Fact remains even analysts who believe jordan is goat know he dominated when there were no super teams, only his. He only beat the bad boys and lakers when they wilted. After his first title the lakers lost magic to completely destroy everything. Cake walk.

Of course you didn't have divas like LeQueen calling up two of his draft mates to go and play for one team. The players genuinely hated each other back then. M.J was 10x scoring Champion and 5x MVP and his dominance spanned from 87-98. A time we had real rivalries

Ersan:
The quality of the league was diminished. Period

Busted. 4 teams cannot dilute a team of 29! Stop throwing words like a rookie. Who are the expansion teams M.J faced post season you are yarning country grammar

Ersan:
How many times did 3's save Jordan then?

What do u mean save? The GOAT never played an elimination game in the Finals

Ersan:
LEGENDS.

Your queen got whopped by 37 year olds. What a crying disgrace

Ersan:
Playing against mop buckets and nail files. Flat track bully. Lebron was never swept in the first round. Is it better to lose in the first round than in the finals?

Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Barkley, Johnson, Drexler, Shaq, Hardaway, these are but a few that had the misfortune of entering the league same time as the G.O.A.T some ended with rings others were not so lucky

GOAT was 6-0. Nobody gives a shyt about first rounds. I don't keep tabs of such useless stats.

How many times did Brazil lose in the World Cup first round

Ersan:
Lol! at you thinking 03 nets without kidd were worse than 07 cavs without lebron.

Nets with Kerry Kittles, Richard Jefferson that sodomized the Pistons and Paul Pierce and Antoine Walker's Celtics two years straight? Lmao. Don't ever bring up 07 Cavs. I would show you worse teams that were dragged to the Finals

Ersan:
This freak of nature didnt even need to go to college to learn like jordan and most greats did. Straight out of high school. Yet has the highest IQ of any other basketball player. Never played with a HOF coach yet he takes rookie coaches to finals.

Yeah with Wade, Bosh and supporting cast that would start for some teams. And the highest payroll in league history

Ersan:
The man who scouted jordan saw lebron in high school and said he never saw anything like him before.

Stop playing with the Einstein of basketball.

Einstein? More like Forrest Gump

Ersan:
Dont bring horry into this. Horry=Clutch.

Its good you know before you shout about Kerr and Paxson. They were the rolest of role players. Like Chalmers and Norris Cole, and it could be argued the latter had more impact

Ersan:
With the weak teams he was playing against i'm surprised he didnt win 8. If he learned to shoot 3s would mean others did too and would even things out, besides he was better off driving to the paint of shooting short range jumpers.

JORDAN=Goat

LEBRON= BILLY GOAT

You can call him leflop, hate him all you want. Bare fact is he is the greatest.

Lebeautiful!

He retired in his prime due to losing his Pop. If not for those cursed teens M.J wins from 91 to 98 and you would be stoned in some countries for this Blasphemy

Goat? More like Ram that would be slaughtered in a few days time. That number on KD shirt isn't for show. That is LeRam's finals record in a bit

Ersan:
Jordan was being guarded by players like Byron Scott and Jeff Hornacek...

Dan majerle was 6'7 but seriously?

Stop arguing as if teams didn't run schemes focused to stop just Jordan. You never heard of Jordan Rules?

Ersan:
These were finals match-ups BTW.

Payton did a good job.

Size DOES matter when defending though. Someone like Jordan against a smaller player? SMH

Exactly. Against a 34 year old Jordan. Good defense is more of sound fundamentals than size. Ben Wallace could freaking guard SHAQ. Draymond, Rodman were undersized. Boyo I would give you 25 instances of guys slowing down a player 3 inches taller or more without breaking stride. Don't try me

Ersan:
I agree, It took a while for people to figure out the importance of the 3. Klay is one of the greatest 3 point shooters of all time. But Paxson and kerrs 3's still saved Jordan on many occasions.

Many occasions indeed. They didn't knock down as many big shots as Robert Horry

Ersan:
No he wouldn't. Big men don't shoot, they take lay ups and don't. That's why people mostly don't care about their FG Percentage.

No one cares about Deandres FG percentage.

Besides, he took a lot of shots good and bad. Can't have a good FG percentage with that.

Jordan. A shooting guard was making 55% FG in his prime in an era that people didn't care about FG%. Let that sink in

If Jordan was a great 3pt shooter he would win 8 rings and average 45pts per game

Ersan:
Bosh is one of the most under appreciated superstars ever. As far as most predictions are concerned, Bosh isnt considered a sure thing.

When you show me a fact based argument maybe I would listen.

Ersan:
Granted but rodman in his prime was one of the greatest defenders of all time. Such greatness doesnt fade away, the players you mentioned were just above average except for Ray allen.

Rodman that was wafting round the league 5 years removed from any form of title contention is who you are hyping like a megastar

Ersan:
Again, the spurs were a dynasty. Kawhi is a future MVP, special players dont really guard each other they torch each other. Lets not forget theyre managed by the greatest coach of all time.

Kawhi was no star in 2014. Try another excuse
The Spurs didn't smell a Final in 6 years

Ersan:
The spurs won the title in 14 and a year after their top players werent the same. Same goes for the Lakers.

Because the Spurs were 40 years old. The Pistons lost to the Bulls the eventual Champions. Your examples are horrible fam

Ersan:
Exactly, kareem retired in 89 and magic was around 30. Magic never won a ring without kareem.

Ersan:
Exactly, the NBA was shaken, and disorganized. Jordan and his bullies took advantage.

This is Grade A nonsense. How do 4 teams disorganize a 29 team league? The Heat were the only expansion team M.J faced in the playoffs. Chale try another lie

Ersan:
Congrats you just played yourself, he had a career 3pt pct of .321, makes shooting easier for him and that was around the time kerr started saving his arse.

Typical millenial. In a season or two Steph Curry takes as many 3's as M.J would take in his entire career. Mere looking at that 32% that should tell you 3pt shooting was not M.J's forte.

E say I played myself. Lmao. Jesus Wept

Ersan:
He beat the Spurs dynasty (Geriatric team that came out of the "superior west" and won the next year?)

And the greatest regular season team ever.

Yup a team with 4 core players over 30. And ended up handing him a gentleman's sweep the next year

Ersan:
Lebron has never been swept in the first round of playoffs, jordan was, twice.

M.J never lost a Final. Leflop lost 4

Ersan:
His finals losses, 07 single handedly carried a sh-t team to the finals against the mighty spurs

A.I, Jason Kidd took shittier teams to the Finals. Let us hear word

Ersan:
Jordan was 6'6 guarded mostly by players around 6'3 especially in the finals.

He was amazing within 20 feet, still a ball hog. How did lebron take take over a hundred fewer shots to beat his playoff points? Thats efficiency

Another famous in efficient ball hog and jordan wanna be that babies compare to the king, the black mamba.


Fun fact, kobe has missed more shots than any other player in NBA history.

Can you give one example or two of the 6'3 guys guarding M.J. If you had a clue about defense you would know that neither size nor height does a good defender make. Else guys like Tony Allen, Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Gary Payton would not be regarded as elite defenders

Because fewer threes were taken back then. Its a shame I have to even explain this to you. Klay Thompson is already 9th all time in the playoffs. What does that tell you?

If Jordan played in this era where more people paid attention to FG percentage na sure 60-65% average. He would compete with Deandre Jordan and co for best FG percentage

Ersan:
Jordan was a well known ball hog who shot as many shots as possible.

You dont use career averages because they include the good the bad and the ugly.

And still frequently made 55% or more in his prime. MJ was a Shooting Guard taking all those shots, facing those defences and still shot at that percentage. If all ball hogs were that efficient 'ball hog' would not be a thing

Donlittle:
Nigga said Bosh is not an hall of famer, I swear A40, dead the reply abeg.

Magic don't have aids, he has hiv.

The average Bron fanboy needs to be enlightened. When someone tells you the shortening of the 3pt line favored Jordan you have to exercise patience with them

Ersan:
And how many 11 time all stars arent hall of famers?

He is not a sure thing. Allow it!

Make a compelling argument as to why Bosh won't make HOF. Mutombo, T-Mac, Yao are there but you think Bosh won't make it

Ersan:
Bosh as much as i love him isnt necessarily a hall of famer.

You keep calling old people like they actually made the team what it was.

Why is Bosh not a Hall of Famer? He has the numbers, the All-star appearances and the rings so explain why he isn't one

Kindly tell us what was Rodman's age when he joined the 96 Bulls

Ersan:
Jordan had kerr and paxson as far as shooters go.

Kerr and his 4 ppg arse came after the first 3peat

Ersan:
The only loss on lebrons head was the one against the mavericks.

He played horrible D vs the Spurs in 14. Kawhi barely 3 years in the league torched him

Ersan:
Jordan never got past the detroit bad boys in their prime.

Nonsense. He beat them the year after they won a title. And sent them to the abyss

Ersan:
You do know 91 was the year magic got aids right?

HIV. And he was MVP the previous year. Nice try

Ersan:
The expansion?
shortening the 3 point line?

Lmao. Expansion teams are non factors. They typically don't make the playoffs and even at that players are picked from teams in the League. The teams M.J beat in the playoffs tell us how many were expansion teams

Nice Airball. M.J was not a 3pt shooter.

Ersan:
And then he skated through the expansion NBA towards the end, he couldnt beat any of those super teams in their prime.

Which superteam did Leflop beat in his prime? He lost to the Pistons, Celtics, even Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic. Even when he ran to Miami he beat a baby OKC team with 23 and 22 year olds. And a geriatric Spurs team by the grace of God. Goat my arse

Jud Buechler, B.J Armstrong, Cartwright, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Bill Wennington. Ara awon to'n pe ni Superteam ni yen oh

Donlittle:
nah you are stupid, and you don't even have sense. MJ formed super team? Wtf

This is honestly the first time I am hearing this. You didn't say Houston rockets, Boston, Miami, but MJ?

Formed a super team? Lmao. Its not a super team if the player is your draft pick. That was how people called the Warriors super team last year the misnomer I don't even understand.

Ersan:
Bosh joined with LeBron. Allen didn't join until 2013. The others are not worthy of mention.

MJ didn't have no one. LMAO. MJ couldn't get to the finals without pippen, he also go 4th rodman at some point. MJ never beat a super team.

Mj dominated after the NBA made things easy for him and all his competition wilted. LeBron has faced 26 hall of famers in finals. MJ faced 9, never more than two in a team at a time when teams mostly had 1 superstar.

LeBron didn't run, he went back home. Kyrie was raw and they added love because they had to build a championship team. LeBron felt his calling was to win one for Cleveland.

All the titles in Miami, he wasn't really happy. Both times he mentioned Cleveland and how he's just a kid from Akron.

He cried when he won one against all odds for Cleveland. He felt it was his destiny.

Wade-Bosh-Lebron. That was the the team. 3 All-stars and HOFers, Miller and Allen two of the best 3 point shooters the league has seen, Rashad Lewis 2nd best player on a Magic team that got to the NBA Finals, Battier an elite defender. This is as solid a supporting cast one could have and your LeQueen still managed to bungle 2 Finals out of 4 and barely missed a 3rd one

Yes. Who was the 2nd best player on the Bulls before Pippen broke into the team 88/89. I dare you to tell me his name without google. Rodman didn't come till after the first 3peat

The 91 Lakers, Detroit Pistons were what? A Superstory? Lmao try again

Tales by moonlight. Name one tangible thing the NBA did that showed the league was favored towards M.J. I'll wait

Who are the 26 Hall of Famers Leflop faced? Then how many are on his own team? M.J spent his entire career in the tougher jungle that the East used to be in the days of yore with the Knicks, Celtics, Pistons, Magic, Bucks, Cavs, Pacers. Not your Leflop who is playing in the watered down East. This is why the G.O.A.T was 6-0 while your diva is staring down the 3-5 barrel

Nwanne you better look face before attempting to feed this cool zobo. That Heat team had run its course and Pat Riley not bowing to Leflop and his possé made him run back to Cleveland. Good on him for winning them a chip with help from Kyrie. Still he got plenty of help at Miami from Wade his mentor and friend

Ersan:
And finally the modern super team, when ray Allen and Garnett decided to join Paul pierce at the Celtics and formed the big 3. This team kept beating the king and he joined a non playoff team with his best friend.

He didn't join the team that joined him like KD did. Championship favorites you previously went 3-1 up against know the western conference finals and blew the lead. A 73 win team.

LeBron had no one, granted even with their issue, KD had Brody. Not the same thing.


The Miami Heat with LeBron wasn't even the best team in the east, not even second.


LeBron being the class act that he is and because he loves his friend KD won't criticize it.

Lmaoo at he joined a non playoff team. That had Wade, Bosh added Allen, Mike Miller, Rashad Lewis, Shane Battier. If he come join playoff team nko?

Potatoe, potatoh. Joining a team that beat you and joining the top 4 picks in your draft year that you are supposed to spend your career competing against are one and the same.

M.J also had no one. In the summer of 88 he coulda called up Olajuwon and Charles Barkley and had them form a team to win rings. That is essentially what Lebron did.

KD had Brody? Good! so why did the Heat add Bosh? Why did he run back to Cleveland who already had Kyrie and still added Love?

Lmao. Leflop can't criticize what he did twice

SIRcumalot:
You replace the weak link in a 73-9 juggernaut team with KD I don't know what other analysis you can possibly need.

Add another max player ?common mehn.
The cavs main core will remain,lose some guys and pick guys on cheaper contract that can help,not an easy job. But we don see the warriors now, we can game plan better for future series.

nothing changes for how bron is perceived by his fans or his haters.
am interested in how the league go solve this warriors issue sha.

Ewo ni juggernaut te kan pa ariwo. Shey Lebron jazz una ni? Did you predict the Warriors going 73-9 that year? Did you predict the Warriors picking 60+ wins in their breakout year in 2015 after losing to the Clippers in 2014? This team grew along the way and exceeded expectations. People go on like this team was Jordan's Bulls or Showtime Lakers. The annoying part is the same set of una still question Golden State's win in 2015 but will holla 73-9 juggernaut as if playoffs everybody doesn't start 0-0

If una fit get max player make una get oh. We no wan hear any excuse that is just my own. There is only one ball afterall

Exactly. If you come and tell me Quavo is better than Ray Charles or Future is the G.O.A.T and better than Sam Cooke who am I to argue? Ofe l'ohun

SIRcumalot:
Tristan contract.

I no dey watch this series so somethings I no know.
But the cavs shot the ball uncharacteristically well,that no dey sustainable.
Game 3 was the true test of both teams.

More than half the league is overpaid anyway.

Exactly. People go on and on about 4 All-stars blah blah blah blah blah blah but only two are dropping what we can even call star numbers.

The Cavs shot the ball well in the playoffs the key difference in Game 4 was the abysmally high number of uncontested 3's and while its a make or miss league good things typically happen when you get almost 30 open shots. They beat the Warriors at their game

SIRcumalot:
no be my point be that at all.

What is your point? Neither of JR or Tristan are scrubs. Last night showed what the Cavs can do when they are at their best.

SIRcumalot:
the cavs dey handicap when it came to that J. r and Tristan issue.
I no use the sidekick argument because they were good enough last year.
even Tristan earn him money last year but this warriors,them be different beast.

Thompson cannot be as bad as Pachulia and McGee have been abeg

SIRcumalot:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/
na projected payrolls be that.

JVG nko?
all those betting odds nko.
even a six game series can be non-competitve if the point differential na blow out for each game.

the series no fit do anything for bron legacy. not like you go agree say na him be goat if he somehow win this series.

I'm aware of the figures. Spotrac helps with that. My point is if the Cavs add say a Paul George then they extend their lead significantly. The heavy earners are going nowhere.

JVG? Did he predict a sweep? You mean he has never gotten a prediction wrong? What are the antecedents that suggested they would sweep the Cavs? Just because they added KD? That is not analysis I can take seriously no matter who it comes from mo sorry gaan

How can I accept a 4-4 but more likely a 3-5 ninja as the GOAT? I'm not a millenial. The GOAT never needed Game 7. The GOAT was born in New York and wore Carolina Blue

See ehn you guys cannot have it both ways. You can't praise Lebron when he wins, praise him when he loses then troll KD and downplay the Warriors when they win and still troll when they lose. That's not how it works

Ersan:
WRONG! Even if it goes to 6 or 7, most people believe the warriors with KD will seal the deal.

Tell me one bookmaker that has made the cavs favorites.

Give me one analysis that puts cavs in the same bracket as warriors.

Again, according to espn, warriors have a 93% chance of winning.

No one is underselling anything, these are just bare facts.


Roster salary doesn't always correlate with quality.


Warriors have 3 players they have to max out, we'll see what happens.

It is not a matter of belief. It is down to what plays out on the court. Had the series ended in a sweep it would be because the Cavs shat the bed not because of no K.D

Making you favorites in a matchup does not automatically make the other team underdogs. Germany vs Argentina last World Cup Final Germany might have been favorites but doesn't make Argentina underdogs. Infact it would interest you to know that this season's Champions League quarter final vs Bayern and Madrid. Bookies had Madrid as the underdogs. Anybody who knows the game knows that is erroneous thinking

I have asked you. When did this 7% popup? Before or after the first 3 games? Kindly answer

KD is already open to taking lesser pay. Many good players would take less money to play for Golden State

Ersan:
So the cavs who espn predicted had a 7% percent chance of winning are no longer underdogs?

The cavs vegas believed had no chance of winning?


If they win game 5 and hopefully this series its a testament to the GOATs greatness and cavs team spirit. Not because this is a fair match up.


Most expensive payroll doesnt mean best, go read my previous post for a breakdown.

When did they make that prediction? Was it before or after the Cavs went 3 games down? Even the Spurs did not get 7% after Kawhi went down. Easy with the hyperbole

Vegas can believe what they want. They are bettors and bettors don't necessarily follow logic

If they win Games 5,6 and 7 then they deserve every plaudit they get. What is dubious and laughable is the martyr narrative propagated by Lebron fanboys of lacking help or support. It was horseshyt last year it is horseshyt this year. With Kevin Love averaging 19pts per game and Kyrie averaging 39pts per game the last two these teams these teams are more evenly matched than the Lebron fanboys would be sincere enough to admit

If the Warriors win in 5,6 or 7 I would come here to troll regardless

Nobody asked you guys to overpay Thompson and J.R Smith. Nevertheless they are still quality starters in this league and not the scrubs you lot want to make us believe

SIRcumalot:
only by you.

I think,i read somewhere say "the blazers will have the highest payroll next season",we suppose expect them for finals.

Only Lebron fanboys are underselling this Cavs team. Forget hyperbole I can't take any analyst who seriously anticipated this series not going at least 6 games. Basketball is not played on paper

You read wrong. The Cavs would be the highest paid roster for the foreseeable future. Without another all star addition they are already looking at potentially $50m in luxury tax

Ersan:
They were never mighty. They've been underdogs for 3 years running now.

And if you think the king and uncle drew are happy with just avoiding a sweep you're in for a shock.

See you in oakland.

Ersan:
They were never mighty. They've been underdogs for 3 years running now.

And if you think the king and uncle drew are happy with just avoiding a sweep you're in for a shock.

See you in oakland.

Underdogs? Bwahahahaha

That is the narrative fanboys have been pushing since the fall of man. Barring the year Kyrie and Love went down wan o underdog kan kan

If your Cavs get trounced in Game 5 we no wan hear any story about underdog. I in particular am hoping you don't vanish as mysteriously as you appeared after the Cavs picked up their first W in a series it was assumed would go the wire anyway.

The most expensive payroll in the history of the league claiming underdog. Orisirisi

Monday is not too far. All this hoopla for avoiding a sweep just shows how the mighty have fallen.

Ersan:
it was announced the technical was on draymond. Everyone thought it was draymonds. It was recorded it was draymonds. Even kerr said he thought and heard it was on draymond.

Stop it.

Where was the foul recorded on Green?
There are transcripts of the game clearly showing the tech was called on Kerr. I don't get why you would think the refs would go out of their way to look like eediots because of Green of all people

The first tech was on Steve Kerr. Y'all Bronsexuals need to cool down. Na just 1 game una don dey halla

timbros:
Then what do Chelsea defenders have to 'testify' about Lukaku? That he is a pain their backside?

N.B: Benteke plays for a more inferior team (right from his Aston Villa years) but he still manages to score again us regularly. So that your mid-table-team-like-Everton excuse is null and void.

He didn't just score but he disgraced them as well. This wasn't just a tap-in goal

Benteke might score more often but is he the better striker? Not even close.