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SIRcumalot:
@A40
Any player of his caliber possesses that win now mentality the window of opportunity won't be open forever.
The wiggins trade is only going to be labeled a disaster if love joins another team or the Cavs don't win in 4 years.
They Cavs built a strong squad just wasn't very lucky.

Bar the Sixers I think every other club has a win now mentality the difference here is how you go about trying to win. What happens if Love does not deliver a chip? He could as well leave in Free Agency while Wiggins winds up becoming an elite player. They have 10 guys in their roster who become Free Agents this season compared to Golden State who have only Green as a potential free agent. Even the coach is not sure of his job. This is not a sustainable way to go

SIRcumalot:
Conserved his energy to run the offense and score points.
What about the numerous scenario when he finds players who are opened only to get the ball right back.

Or mozgov who thrives off passes from LBJ and not good enough in the post when the warriors doubles him ?

That's not an excuse to play absolutely zero defense. He completely sucked on the defensive end

To your second point that is what lack of synergy and win now now-mentality would do to you. When you pack 5-7 players from different teams without time to build chemistry or check if they fit into the system you are actually trying to play (assuming they have one) then these things are bound to happen.

SIRcumalot:
LBJ taking 35 shots a game is the most efficient way the Cavs could score.
So you're saying the end justify the means, say he wins the series shooting this same % from the floor you won't be hammering on efficiency ?

18-38
11-35
14-34
7-22

15-34
13-33

Those were his numbers! How can someone shoot this badly, lose and you still call him MVP. Habaaa!!

With Iggy guarding Lebron he shot 38%!! GSW where +55 with him on the floor -30 without him. Same Iggy averaged 16pts from 12 shots!

If that is not MVP-worthy I don't know what is.

Had Lebron won by all means give him the MVP but you can't award him that title over a more efficient Iggy who is a large reason why he shot that badly to start with

SIRcumalot:
KD,Harden and a ton of other players get to the line a lot I don't see how this is a bad thing since FT's are part of the game.
I can't see what he or anybody else could have done to win this series
that it got to game 6 is an achievement in its own.

Its not a bad thing and what he or anybody else coulda done is moot. My stance has been the same since Day 1 he made his bed so he needs to lie on it. Afterall he has lost Finals even with relatively better talent in the past

Mizzzbeee:
.... i predict #Bucks

SIRcumalot:
@A40
You forget that the Cavs have a win now mentality and LBJ is 30 and approaching the dark ages.
If you think efficiency is the be all and end all stat in the NBA,sure I can see how you would think he played better against the spurs.

That is the problem. He always has a win now mentality. Of course sheer talent would carry the day at some point but the last two Finals have proven the team would always be above the individual. Which is why chale will say he is the best player in the world today and opine he ran out of talent tomorrow.

He definitely played better vs the Spurs. Golden State's relative inexperience at this level is why this series was competitive. Gregg Pop's Spurs would not merely sweep these Cavs but would have beaten them by a 20-25pt average

SIRcumalot:
Iggy isn't not the primary Ball handler for the GSW so he would have a low TO ratio.

The Warriors style of play does not really predicate having a fixed ball handler infact if you look closely you would see that over the course of the series Curry, Iggy, Barbosa, Livingston played that role. So whether he was the ball handler or not he was efficient he even had a game with 7 assists and 0 turnovers

Also tell us what 'the best player in the world' did to slow down either Steph or Iguodala? I thought they said he was an elite defender? Just like last year Lebron proved how overrated he is on defence

SIRcumalot:
I also find it funny that Westbrook was grabbing triple doubles every night while not being very efficiency and was being lauded has the hero and even got MVP nod and LBJ whose is a career 50% took more shots when his role player didn't step up if he had a more efficient game with less shot you would say he wasn't assertive enough.

Of course Westbrook got mentions but he was never going to win it ahead of James Harden Steph Curry or even Anthony Davis. There is assertiveness and there is just over doing it. When you are taking 35 shots and making less than half of it then you are hurting the team. You are also less effective on the other end of the floor

SIRcumalot:
Make I ask
If you care about efficiency so much how is Kobe your favourite player ?
What was going through your mind in 2010 finals when he was laying bricks everywhere ?

Kobe shot bricks too but he won. Secondly nobody has shot as many bricks as Lebron did in the history of NBA Finals

Lebrick played no defence shot under 40% and it would have been worse if not for how often he went to the FT line

SIRcumalot:
@Decale
Delly had one good game against Steph that got blown way out of proportion by the media.
Kyrie is one the finest scoring PG in this league he shoots and finishes at the rim with the best he'll get buckets and his defense is underrated.
The Cavs can go big with Mozgod(better rim protector than lee) or just mirror the GSW with Love in the "5" and play small.

Delly is a dirty player. I don't understand how people called what he did on Steph Curry defence.

SIRcumalot:
@A40
The Cavs where a shumpert 3- away from winning that first game.
I don't see any champions team that won't trade wiggins for Love or trade away Dion waiters.
He lead both teams in scoring,assist and rebound
Efficiency doesn't matter in this situation,
say his 2nd and 3rd option where there to handle the load and he still shot this much then we can scream murder.
For this series he gets a pass.

And who is to say they would have won Game 2? These things don't work like that, you just have to deal with what actually happened

That is short termism at its peak. These guys would have formed a solid young core and even if they failed there would be time to try again. Isn't it better than packing the roster with OAPs like Perkins, Jones, Miller, Marion? Did they turn out useful? Imagine if Golden State traded Klay Thompson for Kevin Love. The Warriors have an identity! The Cavs don't

How can efficiency not matter? I think I have explained why he had the most points, I don't see what is there to brag about when you are taking double the shots of everyone else. If na assist he had 21 TO's Iguodala had faaar less than that. In the 4th quarter he was usually nowhere to be found bar 1 or 2 games

I make bold to say Lebron played better last year vs Spurs than he did this year

It seems Weiser has gone to Hertha.

Very pissed about this transfer. The boy is only 21 and had 4 assists in 17 appearances last season in the league, shows more promise than Rafinha ever did since joining Bayern. I know he has one or two character issues but its not like he is getting arrested and displaying petulance on the pitch. I don't really know what Sammer and Pep has planned but they should have extended Weiser IMO. Its not like there is an elite RB in the market

kliq:
A40

If Kobe was healthy all season,we would have won the title too


#LakerNation

Abi ooh! If Kobe and Nash were healthy the Lakers would have at least made the playoffs

Decale:
You say in 5, I'll say it's relative...

Love would be the only guy that might change this outcome, not Kyrie and certainly not Varejao. Lebron had to be moved to the center role at some point in this series cos of Mozgov. Love is the one of the best perimeter defenders in the east plus he could control the paint. He'd definitely override Bogut or Barnes maybe Green. He's the boss of the paint in their regular season win. Cavs had to compensate with those jump shots which Smith and Shumpert weren't making

Love can rebound but his defending is non existent. The guy cannot stop a nosebleed. That is one of the reasons why the Timberwolves couldn't even make the playoffs while he was there.

Maybe he helps on offence but that would reduce LeStats numbers.

SIRcumalot:
@Decale
All champions teams almost always get an injury break from their opponents kudos to GSW for seizing the opportunity I'll say this though
If love and kyrie where present in the final series and at 100%, the CAVS would win this series in 5.
Its a bit of history now, but the warriors seems to be unraveling when the CAVS up by 2 this series, some would argue they should've been up 3-0 that is how fickle these series was,
With Cavs missing the 2nd and 3rd option.
Why would Mozgov or TT not step up ?
The presence of love and kyrie would allow for much flexibility something GSW had in abundance

This is a normal thing its like me saying Barca were extremely fortunate with injuries. If either of Messi, Neymar or Suarez suffered long term injuries maybe they don't win the treble. However that is not a leeway to not give due credit or groan about missing players. OKC would tell you they could have gotten to the Finals if Durant and Ibaka were healthy

I'm mildly amused that you think a healthy Kyrie (who played Game 1 and they lost by the way) and Kevin Love (average to poor defender) would have automatically won the Cavs the series. Players with 0 minutes playoff experience prior to this series. Bearing in mind Lebron has failed spectacularly in the past even with superior talent.

The Finals and playoff basketball is all about adjustments. The Warriors utilized their bench the Cavs could not but that is on the Cavs and Lebron who went about recruiting over the hill players in Perkins, Marion, Miller and James Jones. They had Dion Waiters they traded him, had Andrew Wiggins traded him for Love despite the fact that Kevin Love always had durability issues. They tried to take the shortcut and it ultimately didn't pay-off. I don't see why excuses should be made for the Cavs. They put individuals over the team

SIRcumalot:
@A40 and Kliq
I'll be surprise if you admitted that he was but let's leave that.
I checked the vote and curry had no vote for MVP,none at all this is unusual as I believe he only had one bad game but it proves my point. LBJ was the best player this series.
Iggy gets praised for stopping a man that average above 30 all series.
He threw his teamate under the bus with that no talent talk that wasn't wise

I'll like to see if the warriors can repeat though
GSW is a very unusual team.good for the league.

Admit? What's there to admit? 2014 MVP was Kevin Durant, 2015 MVP Steph Curry. Go and check (PER) Lebron is not the highest so pray tell why would I agree or 'admit' that Lebron is the best? He was the best back in 2012 and 2013

There are a lot of ways to explain that starting with the fact that 11 voters is an extremely small sample size. That Curry did not get a single vote is immaterial IMO. He had maybe two games where he didn't play so well but that's it. The media is high on Lebron Kool-aid that is why they are praising him instead of giving credit to the Warriors

Lol Lebron was the epitome of inefficiency. He took 196 shots and only made 78!! That is less than 40% which means he on average missed 20 shots per game!! In a losing effort.

How can you tell me such player was the best in the series when others were far more efficient.

Dude was getting to the line 10-15 times per game and taking 30-40 shots per night. Its humanly impossible to not wind up with 30-40 pts if you took such high volume of shots

Whereas Steph Curry never took more than 23 shots per game and only averaged 20 shots a night.

I won't even talk about Iggy who was efficient, shutdown Lebron and would have averaged 20pts or more if he didn't suck at free throws

SIRcumalot:
@A40
False modesty isn't a virtue.
LBJ only stated a fact that is widely believed to be true.
Also if curry was so great in this series why is Iggy taking the MVP trophy home ?
Am sure if we check the votes bron was 2nd to iggy

Its not about modesty. The thing is there is time for everything and that statement just reeks of insecurity.
Secondly in a series where you are under-manned an intelligent player and leader should be talking up his players and boosting their psyche instead of beating his chest like a silverback knowing fully well he would need their contribution to get past Golden State

Tiger no need come to ESPN tell you say he be tiger if you see tiger you know say na tiger

Bear in mind I don't even consider this a fact. Lebron is not the best player in the world. And there is proof not mere opinion to back it up

There can only be one player who gets the MVP as Adam Silver said. Iguodala gets it because he was easily the most efficient player on the court and that's not even considering the virtuoso D he played on James. Go and look at the Warriors numbers when Iggy was on the floor. Its not an indictment on Steph as he was the 2nd best player and outplayed Lebron IMO

The irony is he was actually better vs the Spurs last year

OohMpa:
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[color=#808000]Plus Curry had 98 three pointers in the post season. An average of 4.7 threes
Let's not kid ourselves, he already broke his season record.
He'll break multiple double digit threes in a season (held by Smith)
He'll break Ray Allen's three pointers record ceteris paribus
He probably might break Mamba's no of three pointers in a game (12 currently)
In fact anybody that breaks his post season record if not him should be given MVP twice

Where is that Milli Vanilli incarnate Dellavedova or what megedefegede does he call himself?

Curry had his bad moments but he usually contributed on the other end making steals and forcing turnovers. He's seriously slept on as a defender as well

OohMpa:
LeBron disappointed Ooh Mpa. After proclaiming his throne, Ooh Mpa was expecting stats like this:
50 points, 10/12 3 pt, 19 rebounds, 15 assists, 9steals, 8 blocks, 0 TO...[/color]

ANYONE WHO SAYS HE'S A KING ISN'T REALLY A KING (Tyrell Lannister 2014)

CONGRATS DUBS!!!

Loool LeStats was at his usual stats accumulating best. Nigga said 'We ran out of talent' can you believe that ninja?

Everywhere always looking for talent. Shebi he said he was the best in the world? The guy no dey even filter him yarns before he talk am.

Iggy n Chef

What kind of dumbass spambot is this that cannot tell between NBA commentary and actual spam? I didn't even post any link which is the annoying part

Them no wan make I come dance shakiti bobo for here ni??

Superb stuff from the Warriors! The Chef and Iggy especially who has for the most part of his career been solid but not a spectacular scorer of the ball and making the sacrifice to come off the bench for the greater good of the team. Well deserved MVP!

Guys like Draymond who picked up the pace on both ends, long suffering vets like Livingston, Barbosa who were key coming off the bench! Hell even Lee and Ezeli

Also Steve Kerr for showing 3-balls can win a Championship not forgetting Mark Jackson who didn't take them to the promise land but taught them how to play defence and changed the culture of the team

Overall its a victory for a team that's run the right way. Selflessness, teamwork and all the other virtues that make a winning team

They have proven again that you don't need to go looking to stockpile All-stars to succeed. Neither do you have to knowingly tank to get #1 or #2 picks. You can grow organically. Their starting core had 4 guys they drafted. No one came higher than the 7th pick

Seriously is that Steph Curry or Hakeem Olajuwon. Some serious shaking and baking by the Chef

Can you smell what the Chef is cooking?

Ewuro4:
Back to Miami , he took a paycut for CAVS anyway

If Miami have any shame they wouldn't take him back. He felt the Heat were done and jumped to a team which was younger to carry him in his latter years. Well he has made his bed! Let him lie in it

Mizzzbeee:
that's Curry' s job tonite run the play absorb the double team pressure and make great passes... Wen cavs decided to play bigs... IT meant less chances for open looks not dat he can't get around that.... He has tried last game he was tested for dehydration...!! LBJ on the other hand knows he has lost this and doesn't want to push himself hard... Errrm nybody Seen delly tonite lol

This your analysis na fire!!

You have to wonder if the Warriors are doing this on purpose. Just to torture the Cavs. Lead cut to 7

Ewuro4:
Thought I'm the only one who noticed LBJ's countenance. S'thg 's going down somewhere.
Curry kid is even on the bench already. Very weird game. Not feeling it.

I just want him off this team.

Lol he just got there! Where you want him to go now? The Heat? Golden State?

12 minutes is an eternity in basketball but the Warriors have played their best ball in the 4th. I fully expect them to see this one out.

Iggy and Steph Co-MVPs

Festus Ezeli Nwannem

Iguo$$$$

Lol the Warriors nearly cough up a 13pt lead in one quarter

You have to wonder if Kerr is going back to Bogut because Thompson and Mozgov just dey chance them anyhow

45-43 Warriors lead at the half

Klay Thompson already in foul trouble. He's been a non factor in these Finals. Disappointing

Warriors moving the ball well but are letting the Cavs creep back up into this game

Warriors up 28-15 first quarter

Steph Curry 9 pts
Iggy 7pts

birdman:
loool. lbj really should just not have said anything. I think he knows the warriors are a better team, and he was trying to psych up his team with trash talk. But if cavs lose tonite, man that clip will be played on espn all day tomorrow. It is ok to think you are the best player in the league, but you have to know when to mechonu. all the pressure is on lbj for this game

Funny that a lot of people actually were sympathetic to the fact that the Cavs were short-handed (not me sha) but it was just unnecessary talk that he just didn't have the resources to backup. Let's see how it goes. He hasn't played too well so far

raumdeuter:
On this day last year this happened

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I won 10k that day. God bless Mueller!!!

raumdeuter:
Who could he be monitoring at COpa America?

Hope not Di Maria

Maybe Lucas Barrios. ROTFLOL

Nihilist:
Jose as a coach knows all this. This deal is a money grab. I'd be surprised if Jose wasn't getting a cut of this transfer and wages wired to Swiss accounts every month.

Risky move though between Costa's hammy and Falcao's injuries.

Ibime:
Injury is not the only problem with Falcao.

He is an age cheat.

His school leaving certificate shows he is 2 years older than he claims.

On top of that, he made his debut in Colombian league at 13 years old in 1999.


Hahahahha. Jose never learned anything from Samuel Eto. Mugu.

2 years isn't so bad nau. At worst he is 32. Its the ACL injuries that is the real red flag. When you have shredded them more than once it is humanly impossible to get back to your previous level as an athlete

Lol Eto'o wasn't a failure per se. Hell he wasn't a failure at all. It depends on what you were expecting. He did his bit scoring 10 goals in the league. He almost tripled Falcao's tally for Man U

Now to more pressing signings.
I heard Reschke is at the Copa America

birdman:
What did you want him to say at the press conference - "I dont think we can win"? or or some other fake humility bs?

He has come out to say it he better back it up with a win tonight. Curry would probably score 50pts if he took the volume of shots Lebron is taking

birdman:
Yeah I agree he has some funny fanbois, but as tough as the league is today (even in the east), to get to the finals year after year consistently has not been done since the lakers and they had a stellar roster. I almost lost a bet because I thought the warriors would win 4-0. Thankfully my paddy didnt take the bet either, because he looked at the cavs and men, the cavs roster is sorry. Yet, here we are 3-2. I can point you to half a dozen plays in the 2 wins they had where LBJ literally made plays that shifted the game in their favor. Imo, LBJ can sing all he wants.

Which Laker roster? Shey Kobe and Gasol own? I agree! but if its Kobe and Shaq mba! Of course people say oo but they had Robert Horry but it was the brilliance of Kobe and Shaq that even put them in the position for Big shot Bob to hit the odd buzzer-beater. The West was serious that year too, Blazers, Kings, Spurs

birdman:
and btw I know more lbj flogging is coming down the pike. But I am curious- who do you believe in the league right now could have taken this cavs roster to the finals, down 3-2. Durant, Kobe , Timmy D? Somebody make a case

This is moot cos Lebron would not even make it out the West to begin with. Prime Timmy D, Kobe, Durant will take that Cavs team to the Finals in the East at the very least

I agree he is taking so many shots out of necessity but let's keep it a 100! He is taking 10 more shots per game than the other Finals MVP candidate. His stats are bound to be gaudier. People also want to point out his assists comparing him with Magic I will also highlight the turnovers.

I don't know how many games they would win with that roster tbh but you have to realize a few things.

1) It took Steve Kerr 3 games to realize Andrew Bogut was a liability,

2) X-Factor guys like Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes have been a non-factor for majority of the series

Whatever happened with injuries is Lebron's cross to carry to be honest. He assumed Wade and Bosh were done and ran back to Cleveland forgetting anybody can get hurt. Either way we really don't care if he is the only player left on the court. He has lost the Finals in the past with a more talented squad. If he loses this one again that would be #4 and he would be heading to Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor. Jerry West territory in Finals losses