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Nowenuse:
Nice.

What language is the first song in? Arabic?

No it is not in Arabic, it is one of the Nubian dialects, which is still spoken by many people in Northern Sudan Nile valley and parts of upper Egypt from Aswan to luxor Egypt.

TayserMahiri:
Sudanese Nubians (blackest folks in black Africa) were the Pharaohs of the 25 th Dynasty of Egypt after invading and conquering from their southern Kush Empire. This explains a lot why people want Kush tied to their his-story. What I have never understood is why Somalis fight to death to claim Kush as their empire when it is so obvious it was a Nubian empire. This was Kush in 700 BC

Not all Sudanese are nubians, and the term Nubians were not a collective group, but it consist of many different nationalities. However there is a difference between the Nuba people from the Nuba mountains, than Nubians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdtA7oKmlWU


This group above is depicted
http://archive.is/rPypk#selection-19.0-26.0

[img]https://archive.is/rPypk/47eb7150f4e59696f915381a7a6af235b7592f36.jpg[/img]

and these are people from the Nuba mountains,





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OylCfLgiZak

[img]https://www.tourprom.ru/site_media/images/news/20837/nubiitsy.jpg[/img]

and both groups was represented although they were separate, one group always resided south, while the other was more or less in various time in history part of Egypt.

Egyptian art also depicts a regional distinction in Nubian physical types.24 During the Old and Middle Kingdoms, Egyptian rule extended to around the third cataract. Nubians are portrayed with skin of varying shades of darkness, distinctive dress and the facial features of an Egyptian. When the New Kingdom
extended its rule south beyond the fourth cataract, there was a corresponding change in the artist’s portrayal of the Nubian. The Southerners are shown with
distinct Negroid features—dark skin, everted lips, prognathous jaws and kinky hair. All of the ancient Nubian wrestlers share a physiognomic
similarity to the south-Nubian Negroes alluded to in the Egyptian sources

http://www.occasionalwitness.com/content/nuba/02Culture04wrestling.htm

Timewilltell2:
You are dumb

But i am smarter than you! lol You thought the girls was South American than African, now who is dumb?

Timewilltell2:
So South Americans are now Sudanese? . Alek wek should be pissed off lol

Alek Wek is South Sudanese, not Sudanese proper. Also South Sudan is a separate country for "Sudan"

This is what the majority of people in Sudan looks like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hapmIPu_Ix4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwUYekLRDM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glHnwckeq8o

In retrospect Alex Wek and other South Sudanese. Are not Sudanese period!

Iwantslavesgone:
Who is Sudan when we talk beauty . Find them somewhere there




51. Sudan

Sudanese Girls

chineloSA:
��� Those who made you believe that you are in the faultline messed with you.

Sudanese are the most confused yet your Masters ( Arabs ) hate you.

I lived in Saudi Arabia where you find a large population of Sudanese. Arabs treat you like dirt.

I work for a University in Saudi. In Saudi if you are Sudanese you get paid the least after all nationalities.
Example when they pay teacher salaries,
1.American will be paid more
2. Canadian, British, Australian and South African
3. Indians
4. Sudanese.

That is even the order of how they treat people. But you continue deceiving yourselves because some of you have Arab blood in you.


When the Arabs brought Islam to Africa they made sure that they bring confusion by
1. Compelling people to change their African names to Arabic names.

2. Breeding with African woman to make sure you are confused and get to eventually think you are a special breed. Meanwhile in the Arab world they have always discouraged their woman from breeding with anyone other than their own Arabs. IN Saudi they have laws that makes its so hard for women to marry non Saudi that it seems impossible.

3. Brainwash you to think that everything native to you is dirty and primitive. You dropped your cultures, language and beliefs and you followed light skinned person ( Arab). Don't feel bad all Africans did that.

4. Little did the Sudanese know that the above confusion was to create a huge rift between its people that the country eventually divided. That was Arab strategy, to devide and conquer Africans with their religion and make them take anything Arabic ( name, food, culture even language etc. ) over your own. DON'T feel bad, Europeans did that with Christianity.

You people think you are a special breed because some of you once bred with Arabs.
You treat dark skinned Sudanese with disdain and worship light skinned Sudanese. Sudanese woman wanna be light skinned to get married earlier than anybody else.
I have never seen women who bleach as much as Sudanese. The self hate is so rife. Arabs did a great job

Your masters that you think you are borderline with do not think you are Arabs, they think you are Africans. They just enjoy seeing that you were conquered through religion, culture and language. Nothing more.

What makes those people you showed me look unAfrican. I have seen Ethiopians and Somalis who look like the pictures you shared.

That's the confusion I am talking about. In fact you are one completely brainwashed people, which I have no hope you can be salvaged.

https://www.beautifulworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/sudan-africa-map.jpg


What i mean fault line, we have all the populations and faces of the entire African Continent. That is a simple geography lesson. From the north Egypt, From South (South Sudan), East(Ethiopia, Eritrean) and the West(Chad) all those groups are represented in Sudan population. Also the rest of your statement is really not relevant. I think you need to work on your home issue first before coming at us. A good example is your electricity problem.


Cheers.

chineloSA:
Black should be banned. There is no race but African. Arabs who live in Egypt are Arabs and never African.

African is our race. We should guard against sharing it with people who simply want to benefit from the continent but not for Africans.

There are many shades of African but we should refuse to be called black.

Black is insultive word. It comes with negative connotations like black sheep, black list, black heart etc. It was given to us to degrade us.

White was give to then because it has positive connotations like purity, cleanliness etc.

We do not realise how calling ourselves and allowing other races to call us black has negative implications to our psyche and their psyche.

African is respectable and not Black.

Sudanese are lost souls because Arab is a race and not a choice. You cannot be Arab race and African race.

The thing is Sudan is a very diverse country. It depends which segment of the Sudanese population you are referring to. Sudan is not the Congo

Sudanese


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDQMqiT-F8&t=158s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwUYekLRDM


https://jideodukoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/happy-faces-of-sudanese2.jpg

http://jideodukoya.com/gallery-post/beautiful-faces-of-sudanese/

We are in the fault line of the Arab and African world. It is just the reality.

KemjikaEme:
There is no shame here. People have different physiological features. It is just like stating that many Fulanis have light skin and narrow faces or the[b] Sudanese are mostly dark.[/b] Or that Khoi San people have mongoloid features.
There is no falling hand here. Remove the inferiority complex and ignorance from your mind.

These people represent 60 percent of the population today. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwUYekLRDM




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfAeYFZ1mrQ

9jakool:
Nubians of Sudan-Egypt, most people in the Gambela region of Ethiopia, and most South Sudanese and Kunama and Nara of Eritrea are Nilo-Saharan not Cushitic. Even Bantus in East Africa most likely have Nilotic ancestry.

In regards to language family in regards of ancient meroitic language in antiquity, it is unclassified by modern scholars.

The classification of Meroitic is uncertain due to the scarcity of data and difficulty in interpreting it. Since the alphabet was deciphered in 1909, it has been proposed that Meroitic is related to the Nubian languages and similar languages of the Nilo-Saharan phylum. Claude Rilly is the most recent proponent of the Nilo-Saharan idea: he proposes that it is Eastern Sudanic, the Nilo-Saharan family that includes Nubian (Rilly 2004, 2007, 2012). Rowan (2006, 2011), on the other hand, notes that the Meroitic sound inventory and phonotactics (the only aspects of the language which are secure) are similar to those of the Afroasiatic languages, and dissimilar from Nilo-Saharan languages. For example, very rarely does one find the sequence CVC, where the consonants (C) are both labials or both velars. This is similar to consonant restrictions found throughout the Afroasiatic language family, suggesting that Meroitic might have been an Afroasiatic language like Egyptian. The issue is unresolved and most classifications list Meroitic either as questionably Nilo-Saharan or as unclassified (as Joseph Greenberg did).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroitic_language

According to Peter Behrens (1981) and Marianne Bechaus-Gerst (2000), linguistic evidence indicates that the Kerma peoples spoke Afro-Asiatic languages of the Cushitic branch.[12][13] The Nilo-Saharan Nobiin language today contains a number of key pastoralism related loanwords that are of proto-Highland East Cushitic origin, including the terms for sheep/goatskin, hen/cock, livestock enclosure, butter and milk. This in turn suggests that the Kerma population — which, along with the C-Group Culture, inhabited the Nile Valley immediately before the arrival of the[b] first Nubian speakers — spoke Afro-Asiatic language[/b]

Linguistically it has always been a mixture of two groups


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerma_Culture

ikbnice:
Where u dey do am before?

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EzeNwaanyi:
I was born in the United States. My father is Nigerian. Igbo to be more specific. For the past few years I have been planning to relocate to Nigeria at some point in my life, but with this biafra situation going on I'm kind of fearful for my safety. Housa and Yoruba people seem to hate igbo people and I just want to know why. I love Nigeria and I think that all of our people are great regardless of what tribe they are from. Nigeria is a great country with great potential but the division there is a bit discouraging and disappointing. Please someone explain to me why we are divided instead of sticking together.

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TayserMahiri:
So the dancing guys were the more opulent ones. Good to know you are promoting tourism, Sudan has been a pariah for quite long. English would be one way of doing that. Are those pyramids archaeologically studied? Good to see parks too. If I ask, how comes Bashir has stayed in power that long? Is it via democracy or does he belong to a ruling class mafia!

Are those pyramids archaeologically studied?

Yes, it was studied by George Reisner over 100 years ago, and continued to be studied by Archaeology by local and international, they have many blogs about this stuff in twitter among others.


https://books.google.com/books?id=O2NFAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=George+reisner+excavation+of+nuri&source=bl&ots=elliCXjziz&sig=YV7iBX8xSw84uSJYbT7Sgd_s65A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi56drCzYnUAhXFy1QKHUmGAI84ChDoAQgtMAM#v=onepage&q=George%20reisner%20excavation%20of%20nuri&f=false


Here is the link above.

If I ask, how comes Bashir has stayed in power that long?

Blind followers and ring elections and fraud, also the opposition is two weak and old, and people don't trust nor believe in the opposition.

Is it via democracy or does he belong to a ruling class mafia!

They say it is a democracy since we hold election, but the reality is your second comment.

TayserMahiri:
So wats the language of instruction in schools in Sudan? I heard the Dj speak English and the crowd seemed to understand what he was saying. There were even English songs!

The official language in Sudan is "Arabic". Although English is also a official but it is rarely taught in the village level in local schools, but you may find some people here in there in some villages that may speak english. Most learn english in secondary school or some well off people send their kids to private or international school. They also have schools in Khartoum that teach a multitude of different languages, and since they are trying to attract people to visit things such as these


https://www.designindaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/node/news/19092/gallery/sudan-08nuri0438.jpg?itok=TEqh5jyR



https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_0204-640x427.jpg



https://www.coxandkings.co.uk/compass/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Murals-in-Nuri.jpg





[img]https://eesamarawestexpedition.files./2015/08/aw-pict-38-39-a182.jpg[/img]



https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D687A0/buhen-temple-in-the-the-national-museum-of-sudan-khartoum-sudan-D687A0.jpg


Dinder national park
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0c/64/b9/0c64b9a25185c500cf8be2daf2161abd.jpg


Port Sudan


https://teejwal.com/pics/news/2016/2/14/album/145548094358.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c5/0d/c7/c50dc7e134b9dc6ace132377b9562bdf.jpg








so this can create jobs, and needed income with more tourist which means more people that can communicate in a multitude of different languages. Due to the Sudan bad image we get far less tourist than our neighbor in both Egypt and Ethiopia, but it is starting to increase gradually, but we have to market it right. It is like we have tourist elements of both North and Sub Saharan Africa, i think the combinations make it a unique travel experience. We should make port Sudan very tourist friendly like the Egyptians did for the Sinai.

TayserMahiri:
Oh Good to hear you support our rugby. I was surprised how you quickly dug that photo. Sounds like you know quite a lot about kenya, I guess kenyans make up your biggest friend list there. Rugby is very popular here, how about Sudan? I know their football.
I have always wondered why Sudan (minus S. Sudan) never made up an expatriate community in kenya. Of all surrounding nations, The Sudan is a conspicuous exception. I presume its not a religious barrier because Somali are Muslim but settled here enmasse. Is there a barrier to emigration in the Sudan?

Rugby is not popular in Sudan, but i live in NZ and Australia, so i adopted to the local sports, including netball. Why there is no Sudanese expatraite community because most areas in Sudan beside darfur and kordofan is relatively stable. Since it is a lack of jobs currently in Sudan, most Sudanese migrant to the Gulf, since there been a long established communities of Sudanese since the 1960's

"The Sudanese community has been in the UAE since the late '60s and early '70s," said Salah el Din al Tayeb, the club secretary general. "The Sudanese were brought to the Trucial States by the British to manage the civil development of the different emirates. By the '70s and the formation of the UAE, the community grew and more doctors, officers and engineers were called to help build the UAE.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/sudans-expats-still-club-together

The Kenyans i met in Australia were great people, and still are my friends till this day.

9jakool:
Lol I wasn't born yesterday. Those "dark" Arabs are Arabs with ancestry from Africa. There are also Arabs in Iraq, especially around Busra. Those "dark" Arabs were descendants of slaves that was taken from Africa especially Zanj.


Again, you didn't catch were I said "....Nubians who are now reduced to a few areas." I know they exist today, my point was they held a larger territory historically than they do today.



Yes, I'm very familiar with Hind's content.

Lol I wasn't born yesterday. Those "dark" Arabs are Arabs with ancestry from Africa. There are also Arabs in Iraq, especially around Busra. Those "dark" Arabs were descendants of slaves that was taken from Africa especially Zanj.

Actually, i did not have them in mind, those are "bantu" descent people. For example the King of Oman, and



https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2016/02/13/f5d42418-f433-45c6-9ef4-7a4c2620ee85/f5d42418-f433-45c6-9ef4-7a4c2620ee85_16x9_788x442.jpg

and groups in places such as Yemen and you have some Saudi that look like that to


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2772/4406095876_5fe5504609_z.jpg


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PX36Qn87LJU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/b38af5d2113f4c21abdd2777487ec13e/saudi-men-listening-to-a-speech-fpcwxj.jpg



If you visit any Arab country you will noticed there is a range among them, from white to carmel complexion.

Again, you didn't catch were I said "....Nubians who are now reduced to a few areas." I know they exist today, my point was they held a larger territory historically than they do today.

If you talking about Southern Egypt, Yes it is different, but in North Sudanese case it is relatively the same territory and people.

TayserMahiri:
Do you live in kenya buddy?

I have been to Kenya once in conference, but i have a few Kenya associate while in Australia watching the "sevens" game. Since rugby is popular in Kenya.

Nowenuse:
Is Arabic your mother tongue?

Technically speaking i speaking arabic, but since i grew up in the west it is kind of rough, and i do not write in the language. Going back to Sudan, everything weirdly comes back in regards to language. That is the problem of many Sudanese that grow up in Western countries.

9jakool:
Yes, I've seen those pictures.

I've always maintained that an average Sudanese has small Arab genetics hence my use of "Arabization". If you compare them with Arabs from the Arabian peninsula, they are darker. When I look at Sudan, I see people of varying skin tones. Most fall in the category of East Africans. Some are very dark in complexion, some are medium brown in complexion. Only a very few have the same skin tones as Arabs in Saudi Arabia.


As for the bolded, direct that question to PissedYagami. I wasn't the one who asked it. I'll give you my opinion on it, history would show that Nubians were the owners of land surrounding the Nile at least from the first cataract near Aswan to the 6th Cataract. I wont say South Sudanese own all of Sudan. Many of the areas now occupied by "Arabs" were originally owned by Nubians who are now reduced to a few areas.

Actually you do have many "dark" arabs in Saudi Arabia and Oman, but that is another story for another day.

No, the nubians are still there my friend, and they are not reduce to some small area. The nubians groups that are Arabize such Jal3en, and Dongola, and Halfaweyen who are the largest groups in the North, and you have groups such as the Mahas that maintain their identity.

The Sudanese girl kind of explains the problems in Sudan, in a round about way.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGUK1avLeJI

freshest4live:
Well l used to think all humans originated from Tanzania East Africa. Are you saying East Africans are also our children?

Many East African are a mixture of bantu speakers and cushitic people. A good example are some Kikuyus from Kenya, they are a mixed bag.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wn3urX5R64U/VWlQlbnfXWI/AAAAAAAAAOo/R1ofH28hsrw/w698-h552-no/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-05-30%2Bat%2B8.19.37%2BAM.png

Nowenuse:
Yes, almost the entire Subsaharan negroid race came from west Africa. Especially the Bantus.

Not only African americans, the Carribeans too.
They are our children. You guys too.

Not everyone believe or buy it, some Kikuyus i remembered reading believe they came from the horn, and groups such as the Tutsi believe they are infact possible Oromo or even Somali in origin, and later in their migration adopted the bantu language of the hutu people.

Nowenuse:
Are u a sudanese arab?

I don't consider myself "Arab", i just consider myself Sudanese, and that is about it. However i grew up outside of Sudan.

9jakool:
Yes, According to history, the Arabs came as merchants to the area, but over time they mixed with the local Nubians and that's how you get Sudanese Arabs. Some clans are pure Arabs and some are pure Nubians.

Most Sudanese are "Nile Valley" people. Yes, some arabs and in some cases Turkish people mixed, but it is not the majority. Most northern Sudanese are indistinguishable from many people from the horn, and Upper Egypt. If you look at the Christian frescoes it still resemble the vast majority of the people.

This is before islam became the dominant religion, you will see these Christian frescoes at the second floor of the national museum in Khartoum






https://i.imgur.com/hhVoZmG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/D21MDnv.jpg



https://www.thespeakersagency.com/uploadedfiles/image/Zeinab_Badawi_WS1.jpg

Sudanese reporter BBC Zeineb Badawi








Your last statement i never heard a South Sudanese say that, if the country in the north supposedly belong to them why did they overwhelmingly voted for separation?

These are the Sudanese you will see in Israel mainly from Darfur or South Sudan.

A picture of a South Kordofan (sudan) or South Sudanese wedding in Israel.


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4e39c662cf8148528bf48027e28b2e75/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c7e0y2.jpg


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d01de4066f99447ca7a6a6cb4ff8d66b/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c57yfr.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3353/3287589407_159c33fcd2_z.jpg?zz=1


Those are the picture above that goes to Israel, which is unfortunately.


These people below usually go to the arab countries



[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_6509_2.jpg[/img]


[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_6551.jpg[/img]

https://i0.wp.com/farm9.staticflickr.com/8049/8426009482_decf374ddc_c.jpg


[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_6524.jpg?w=768[/img]

9jakool:
I think they are more focused on their Arabization policies. The funny thing is that most Sudanese are black, a lot are even darker than most East and West Africans. There are 110 languages spoken in Sudan, but Arabic and English are the official with Arabic being widely spoken. Ironically Sudanese Arabs in Middle Eastern countries like Israel face racism for being dark-skinned while non-Arabs in Sudan also face discrimination by Sudanese Arabs. I think more open minded Sudanese Arabs tend to acknowledge their diverse ancestry or history more. Africa was never the Arab homeland, Arabs were from the Arabian peninsular, so any Arab from Africa is either a product of Arabization and or mixed.

Lets see the average "Sudanese"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwUYekLRDM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzH_YUpW0pM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDQMqiT-F8&t=186s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duTaW4Wb2v0


These are average Sudanese.

Lets get the facts clear most Sudanese do not go to Israel however the Sudanese that go to Israel is mainly from Darfur via Egypt and of course South Sudan. Most northern Sudanese usually go to places such as Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Saudi, since Northern Sudanese has a establish community there in those countries. In fact it was the Sudanese community that basically set up the infrastructure there through the British government.


Here a link for the little information.

"The Sudanese community has been in the UAE since the late '60s and early '70s," said Salah el Din al Tayeb, the club secretary general. "The Sudanese were brought to the Trucial States by the British to manage the civil development of the different emirates. By the '70s and the formation of the UAE, the community grew and more doctors, officers and engineers were called to help build the UAE.

"That was the first exodus of Sudanese to the Gulf, and that small community congregated and socialised regularly until the club was set up.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/sudans-expats-still-club-together

Nowenuse:
Hahaha, of course i differentiate Sudan and S.Sudan.
S.Sudan has no issues with black identity, infact that was the main reason they divided Sudan.
I am talking of the main Sudanese. Majority of them are dark to brown skinned. Yes, they have very light skinned people just like Somalia does, but the majority of them are still dark skinned.
Only the rich upper class and elites are mostly very light skinned.

Really, I don't think so.


Average Sudanese villagers in the far North.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDQMqiT-F8&t=823s

These poor lightskin villagers are certainly not rich or part of some elite. LOL

OLAADEGBU:
Those that do speak Arabic do they all read their Qur'an?

Olaadegu Arabic is the language of the land, period. It is spoken in nearly all homes, written in all billboards, and of course taught in schools.

For example this television variety show in Northern Sudan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDQMqiT-F8
Yes, we are a very diverse nation

Do people read their Qur'an that is a personal question, so it depends on the individual some people are religious while others is not.

OLAADEGBU:
Many Muslims in countries like Somalia and Sudan don't have a copy of the Qur'an and where they do they don't understand or comprehend the Arabic language.

Let wikipedia and Google search be your friend.

Sudan official languages

Official languages
Arabic, English[3]

Most people speak arabic, and English as well as Chinese is secondary.

axum:
Abada are you in the USA?

Yes, USA base for now, we plan on moving soon.

pleep:
As a man no, i don't understand your female hypocritical self serving logic. Nor do i want to.

That means you don't have respect for woman including your mother nor do you have honor or dignity. I will say this at least Axum had to the respect to eliminate the pornographic photo, but you won't because of feeling of being hurt. How typically!

pleep:
A somali woman voluntarily performing a sexual act = degrading women? Nice logic.

u are just mad that its hitting your side of the neighborhood.

As a man i don't think you really understand this. As i said before both images you posted and Axum posted is equally wrong and degrade women, period.

If your mother was younger or sister being posted in a degrading matter, that is what you both should think about.



I am done.

gallivant:
Where was your morality when Axum was insulting everyone? Kindly shut the fvck up, okay?

Listen name calling is one thing, but showing pictures of sexual images degrading women is another thing altogether, which is wrong. As a woman i am offended by both images, Pleeps and Axum posted on this thread the pornographic ones. This is probably be the last time i may log in here after this, most websites, has protocol against pornographic images such as that, and members are normal ban. Now i am starting to question nairaland policy or lack thereof.