Modern Day Coptic Northern Sudanese Priest Rev Farag, who also serve in the ruling party in Northern Sudan. There are 3 million people in Northern Sudan that follow the Orthodox faith. These people are primarily Egyptians and NOrthern Sudanese of varies backgrounds .

Christian painting of the bishop Marianos of faras with the virgin mary of christ is dated 9th or 10 century AD. This was the christian kingdom of faras northern sudan. The other bishop the website did mention his name.

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Christian Mural Painting found in Monastery in Dongola Northern Sudan, this is around the 8th century AD.


http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/c/cross_of_timotheos.aspx

and this is from the British Museum.

Also, you have to read up on the monuments in both Northern Sudan and Egypt, therefore everything Ta Seti said will start to make sense. And it require a great deal of study and careful examination, because of the academic gymnastic to deal with, regardless it is there and the ancient people basically tell it.

This is from the website, disregard the silly bickering from some of the members, but focus on the conversation between nubianking and ta seti.

http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=89291&page=5
http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=59166

Enjoy and learn from the read.

quote from ta seti

Meroe and Napata were cities of the powerful & independent kingdom of Kush — Kush in Upper "Nubia" - which as I understand it, was at first based in Kerma, then to Napata, to be followed by Meroe. Confrontations with Kemet had influenced such relocations.

[b]Kush, was actually the terminology the Kemetians used to describe the Kingdom — I am not sure as to how exactly the Kushites -whether in Napata or Meroe - referred to themselves, but we at least know what the Kemetians called them.

1 The rulers of Ta Seti and Ta Shemu (Upper Egypt) appear to be from one extended family, which makes sense given the whole basis of the African political/religious institution of divine monarchy.

2) They are most akin to the common population of Ta Seti.

3) The specific political institution (the conical crown - divine monarch) that would eventually unite the Nile valley also begins in Ta Seti.

4) All three of the above concord with post facto primary ancient Egyptian texts which *always did claim* that the Kemetic legitimacy comes from Ta Seti.

Often not explored - is how Amun is really a "Nubian" deity named Amani. This is one of the reasons why Gerbal Barkal was built in Napata - to symbolize the unity of the Wasetean (Thebans) Amun with the "Nubian" deity Amani.

The modern "Nubians" are also divided into different tribes such as the Kanuz, Mahas, and the Matoki[/b]

Quote from Ta Seti


[b]"Nubia" was merely an ancient Egyptian region, in which the ancient Egyptians mined their gold. Throughout the Pharaonic period — this region ("Nubia" was in actuality – a part of ancient Egypt. "Nubia" would simple have been a district of Egypt.

The division of civilization into ancient Egypt and "Nubia" is confusing and inaccurate. The bottom line is — "Nubia" is virtually a useless term that I hope -one day- we can get rid of, because it tells us almost nothing about the places or the people it supposedly describes.

I prefer the term Nile Valley civilizations (comparable with "Mesopotamia" — from there we can then sort out (with accuracy) - the political, religious and other distinctions, which are often quite complicated and do not, for most of history "divide neatly" into Egypt and "Nubia".

The foundation of Nubian culture and early pre-dynastic Egypt lays in Khartoum Mesolithic which we can see later cultures like Faiyum, Badari and Naqada continued to use the same exact pottery as Khartoum Mesolithic.


The ancient Egyptians and the "Nubians" shared the same culture and even established the same pharaonic political structures — many pharaohs that reigned in Egypt in their prosperity were of "Nubian" ancestry - like the 12th dynasty for instance.

The 12th dynasty was due to the emergence of a ruling family from Nubia -- (Petrie, 1939, p. 176)

A comparison with neighboring Nile Valley skeletal samples suggests that the high status cemetery represents an endogamous ruling or elite segment of the local population at Naqada, which is more closely related to populations in northern Nubia than to neighboring populations in southern Egypt.

American Journal of Physical Anthropology, Vol. 101, Issue 2, October 1996, Pages: 237-246


Here's Nubt- the original "Nubia" — Naqada was the necropolis of the town of Nubt, City of Gold

continue from ta seti statement

[b]Now, some some scholars have pointed out that at times - the "Nubians" and the Kemetians (ancient Egyptians) had bitter wars with each other. People postulate that because of these wars - the belligerents must have been racially or ethnically separate, however, Upper and Lower Egypt often fought long bitter wars with each other - so would we assume that the same is true for the ancient Kemetians?

The answer is NO! At times, both Lower and Upper Egypt fought each other -with the Heru followers representing the South, and the Set followers representing the people in Lower Egypt. Even later in the dyanstic period, the people of Herakleopolis in Middle Egypt (modern Beni Suef) fought the rebellious Wasetans (Thebans) for the throne of Kemet.

During the 6th dyansty, Kemetians initiated trade with Yam - according to the inscriptions of Harkhuf. The inscription also suggests that the chief of Yam was engaged with a conflict with a Tjemah (Libyan), so Harkhuf extends his help to the chief of Yam, helping him smite the Tjeamh. This shows that, despite the unfriendly relations with some "Nubians" (like the Kushites) - Harkhuf assisted the people of Yam — the people of Yam later served as mercenaries in Kemetian armies because their skills in warfare was much valued. Yamites also introduced a much more stronger and durable bow to the Kemetian arsenal[/b]

souldust:

this is something i keep hearing and i ask myself, what reason have they got to be against us blacks? why is that of all races in the world it is only the black race that the whites cannot see anything good about. or is it that some black people are making up these alegations

I hate to ask this question, why you did not go to a Sudanese  or maybe Egyptian forum to ask it, since the culture were part of nile valley civilization. Here is  a quote from a Dinka by the screen name Ta seti, his answer makes the most sense.




[b]It is likely that the Roman word (Nubia" is derived from the Egyptian word "nub" meaning gold, as the areas south of Egypt were very much rich in that metal. However, the closest thing to "Nubia" the Egyptians used was Nubti which was a city in Egypt.

"Nubti" - the Golden city- describes a city and a geographical region that was in fact a part of Kemet (Egypt) for much of it's history. It is actually not the name of a Nation or a people from pre-Roman times. Indeed much of the geographical area that is "Nubia" was probably a part of Kemet for longer than it was a part of any other nation, including Kush.

If there was no Nation-State called "Nubia", and no people called "Nubians" (in antiquity) then how could they have had a name for themselves? In addition to that - the Medijay "Nubians" (ancestors of the Beja) - spoke an Afro-Asiatic language, whilst other "Nubians" spoke a Nilo-Saharan language.

In the absence of a common language - what could they have called themselves? On the one hand the New kingdom founders are said to have come from "Nubia", on the other, they are said to be at war with Nubia.

On the one hand the enemies of the ancient Egyptians are said to have included "Nubians - the Kushites- on the other hand, their allies are said to include "Nubians" - the Medijay. The more we discuss what is "Nubia"? — the more I'm convinced that the concept is just a mess.

The word "Nubt" simply means gold, but does not designate actual ethnic groups. In Kemetian (ancient Egyptian) literature such as the famine stela —Ta-Seti is called the first of the first - denoting the importance of this nome as being the beginning. In the same stela it recounts a story of priests of Khnum in Nubia saving the third dynasty Egyptians from drought.

The ancient Egyptians themselves never used the term but referred to these groups by their actual name or ethnonyms they had for them — as a consequence - we have the Irtjet-Nubians, Medijay-Nubians, Yam-Nubians, Wawat-Nubians, the Setjau-Nubians and the Kaau-Nubians.

"Nubia" - has been all along - a contrived Eurocentric imposition seldom ever found in the primary text. It's just a false dichotomy, it serves it's purpose which is to keep everyone confused and failing to grasp the critical themes of Nile Valley history and civilisation.

With all that being said - in certain time frames, powerful independent Kingdoms developed in Upper "Nubia", notably the Kush kingdom - with its capital at Meroe. These developments can't be ignored.

The earliest and perhaps most prominent "Nubian" group were the Setjau people whose kingdom of Ta-Seti was the earliest historical kingdom in the Nile Valley preceeding both Ta-Shemau (Upper Egypt) and Ta-Mehu (Lower Egypt). Not only do the earliest hieroglyphs and pharaonic symbols originate in Ta-Seti but there is even evidence in the oldest capital cities of Upper Egypt were ruled by elite families of Ta-Seti origin.

Thus, the oldest examples of mummification come from the southwestern sahara; the oldest example of pharaonic kingship come from Ta-Seti; the oldest examples of heiroglyphic writing from TaSeti and Ta-Shemu (Upper Egypt) and are based on the rock art from the once wet sahara dating back to before the Nile Valley was populated.

With the unification of Egypt - Ta-Seti was said to have been overcome or as some scholars think - destroyed by Egyptians. But it is interesting that the Egyptians throughout dynastic history still considered Ta-Seti to be Egypt's 1st Nome. This is why many significant dynasties sought to claim ancestry from Ta-Seti in one way or another and why "Nubian" groups like Kushites also tried to claim the Egyptian throne.

In the old Kingdom, the land they called Ta-Seti, was actually the southern nome of Kemet. But then at the same time, the land further south and adjacent to the Kemetian southern border was also referred to as Ta-Seti. Such terminology probably influenced the Europeans into resorting to the use of a single terminology for that region; right below Elephantine, from the 1st cataract extending to 6th cataract.

The "Nubian" terminology doesn't really tell as much, in terms of the changing Kemetian (Egyptian) southern border, as well as the changing Kemetian terminologies of that region. At the time Ta-Seti was being used to designate the "Nubian" region, Kemetians also used Wawat as a specific reference to Lower "Nubia". As I understand it, some of these names had something to do with the description of the folks who lived in the region (s) in question. Yet another general name applied to the "Nubian" region at this time, was Ta-Nehesy.

All of these facts are obscured by the current historical dialectic of Egyptology vs. Nubianology — A system which is in some ways, the intellectual/historic discourse equivelant of apartheid. "Nubia" is the contrived Bantustan of Nile Valley history.

The complex relationship between what is called Kemet, and what is called "Nubia" by modern historians only leads to confusion. "Western" Egyptology attempts to say to Africans — "You go play there, and don't cross the line."; a line of their own creation - serving their agenda, and not an African one.

Hopefully African scholars will ultimately reject this chimera, just as South Africans rejected apartheid's Bantustans[/b]

Ethiopia Christian Art.

Old Nubian Writing during the Christian Period. The writing script has elements of Greek, Coptic and of course the ancient writing of Meroe as well.

Queen Martha during the 9th century AD.

Rgp92:

Remember that we have been muslim so long it as existed. Islam Christian same thing. Both are for brainwashing!

In the nile valley countries was quite different, people became Christians by their own will. It is a big difference, In fact most of the nile countries were Christian before Britian, France and Spain.

Few artwork of Bishops and Queens during the Christian Period in NOrthern Sudan, the kingdoms of Faras,  and Makuria.

However, the rest of African became Christian much later unforunately. I always felt my people should had been the ones to had converted other Africans rather than Europeans. It would had been better that way.

bin gbagbo:

.WERE they christians?

Yes, the Egyptians did have access , so did the peoples in Northern Sudan, and of course Ethiopia  did as well. In fact, most of these places were Christian countries before many European nations.

http://rumkatkilise.org/nubia.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Makuria
Christian nubia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfbtupcGbs
Christianity in Ethiopia.

Part of the new testament written in mid century in the Nubian language.

Lets see the Dinka according to statistics represent 2 or 4 million people in what was the old Sudan out of 40 million people. Do they represent all Sudanese?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-342566.160.html

When i posted the pictures i tried to be as unbiase as possible but tried to include all peoples from the different regions of the country, not just one segment of the population, but all the different groups, and i have not even scratch the surface. The only group i did not post much is the true arab element in Sudan, and these people look no different from Palestinians, nor did i post any pictures of Copts, which is the religious group i belong to. is that being fair to my group?

I am sorry if a segment of the population don't look like the stereotype, but that is the reality on the ground.

9jaganja:

Lol!! Ouch that hurts? hahahahahhahahah, I'm not Albino, I'm bi racial!!!! And I love my white hair so go and die!!

Why would I wanna have an impact on your life other the impact from you will beg me to have with ten condoms ahahahahahahhahaha, Seriously, I won't touch you with a ten yard pole

Travel and learn!!! Go to Barbados and you will see people who look like Liberians, Ghanaians, Senegalese, Gambians, south Africans and what not, But you seat your Bottom in a cyber cafe and say there is "nigerian look"?


I ain't listening!!!

Tanzania is the most interesting of the places I have been and I didn't see them different from the demography I have seen in Nigeria!!!

Dude just leave this alone, you know it is annoying people. People love their individualty in regards to culture, or looks. Some people within the continent look similar while others don't. Why is that hard to understand? Again even in the Sudan, it is not hard to tell the difference from many northern groups vs southern groups and i think the same may apply to other areas in Africa as well. Needless to say, if you tell a northern sudanese he or she looks like a ethiopian some may take it as a insult while others may take it as a complement, again it depends on the person.

Actually Kandiikane the first person i posted on this tread is in fact part dinka/nuer. She is infact in the next sudan top model contest, along with the last girl i posted.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-258052.352.html

From this tread above i did posted a picture of a dinka model as well as other african nationalities as well.

@ Kandiikane

Actually, i have posted plenty of pictures of various southern sudanese ethnicities on here from my archeology page as well on various other topics.

The point is we are all Africans, and why should we be disputing with each other about appearances. We should be all focuss in developing our individual countries and making life better for the next generation and beyond.

kandiikane:

Stop your st[i]u[/i]pidity. .

@Ababda, I am not disputing whatever you said, just do not spam with pictures.

I will spear you the picture spamming, but maybe a few more pictures and thats all, to prove my point. again various sudanese faces.

kandiikane, just read your history books and come back, it is quite obvious where most of African cultures begin and later spread out to other regions.

I had a whole tread that nearly talked about that very subject.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-342566.0.html

various looks of the Sudanese people.

Why are we having this trivial conversation? about looks as if it really was important as far as placing value to peoples, nation, or tribes. Tpia is correct you have many people in Sudan that resembles west africa, but at the same token many resembles horn of africans as well. This is the break down of Sudan if we are going to go by appearance, i will not mention south sudan, since it is a separate nation now.

Northern Sudanese people normally resemble/ upper egyptians and horn of africans. however you have a small percent of darfuri there now due to conflict

North east sudanese, since is close to eritrea, majority of the inhabitants look similar to eritreans/ however you have a arabic peoples in that area, along with a small hausa population.

West Sudanese most people in darfur look like the people from chad and many west african group, again many hausas settled in the area centuries ago, and you also have a large baggara arab population in that area.

Finally, southern sudanese most people look like typical southern sudanese, a few tribes look similar to so called bantu, this is Sudan in a nutshell.  In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, i feel you are all Sudanese since Sudanese is the obviously the starting point of the various african peoples