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rottennaija:
Someday, you will see.

paulGrundy:
Give me just one example.

rottennaija:
I know the official website. The website present facts about jw. Facts not propaganda.

Propaganda means" ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc."

The website present facts, more than 80% of it material come from the WT library, they are not exaggerated.

I think those saying things because people say it are those not basing what they say on facts. Unfortunately, you have heard the same thing over and over again that you can't know when you are being told half-truths.

Moreove, a clean mind knows no fear. If the WT organization believes they records are clean as claim, they wouldn't discouraged you from researching them. But they would be happy to answer each of your questions about them.

paulGrundy:
I find your claim laughable

You can never know a food is poisonous by mere guessing, except that someone has poisoned your mind from eating that food.

You claim the link from jwfacts.com is false but you have never refuted one of paul Grundys point. Are you saying so because the watchtower told you not to read website of "apostates" or because like I said earlier-you are the type that believes anything he hears without subjecting it to facts/evidence?

Yooguyz:
Could you at least prove that what he wrote were lies? Its like saying a food is not delicious because it was prepared by a black man without tasting that meal.

paulGrundy:
Admitting to an error is not a sign of confusion, its a strength, a sign of honesty and sincerety.

Its an important virtue the watchtower needs. Imagine if they publicly assume responsibility of their failed prophecies and apologize in their literature rathering than blaming others.

You would rather tagg flip-flops, back and forth interpretation of scripture, failed end of the world predictions e.g 1914, 1975 as brighter light, but a sincere admission to an error is confusion. Hypocrite!!

paulGrundy:
True. I retract my previous claim.

MoneypassGod:
An apostate is someone who renounced a belief or religion and changes to another. About 50% of jw aren't born jw, at one point in time they converted frm their former church or religion to become jw. How come u dont refer to these as apostates?

paulGrundy:
Early christains did not proselytize by going from house to house, although they held their meetings in peoples house. Going to kingdom hall is not the same as doing preaching work. The most common method was open air evangelism e.g Jesus' sermon on the mount, peters conversion of the 3000 on the day of pentecost. JW's don't even practise it as much as they claim to follow the bible closely.

paulGrundy:
Since you claim that am ignorant, the onus is on you to refute my claim.

Jaymima:
Every good tree produce good fruit. Ponder over that.

Memyselfu2009:
Read Act 5 vs 42 Act 20 vs 17 to 20 read your sef

okitz4:
bro help me see oo, first he claimed to b a JW, second he said he has met Jesus, this guy ehh, speaking different things, saying things he knows little about

irunooboo:
shut the Bleep up and stop spamming my mentions

BIBLESPEAKS:
Truth is static, it dsnt change, but our understanding of truth is progressive according to God's will and purpose.

Jesus taught his disciples about Gods kingdom, even before then they had read about the kingdom from the laws and prophets...still, they didn't fully understand it, all the while thinking it was a government to free the jews from the romans. It only became clearer to them after jesus died and ascended to heaven. Even we today now have a clearer understanding about God's kingdom than paul and other first century christians.

After prophet daniel had seen visions concerning the last days and he didn't understand, God told him: "as for you, daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant." - dan 12:4.

The truth about God's kingdom is static, dsnt change, but our understanding of it is progressive according to Gods will and purpose. So it is with the body of truth. So an evidence that a religion is progressive and on track is that they are always ready to adjust their understanding to be more aligned with truth. They realise that God grants understanding progressively.


unfortunately that's something people who think in human terms cnt understand. you cannot weigh the bible on a scientific scale, you cannot judge a religion with human wisdom, u'll get it all wrong.

I've explained all of these to you on older threads, but U're so consumed with lashing jehovah's witnesses. Do u know how many persons have gotten baptised since u started as yooguys and then paulgrundy and now? Its pathetic, just quit and be helped.

MoneypassGod:
By calling him an apostate u just proved his point to be true. Witnesses believe only their religion is righteous and others are doomed, even though they have no proof.

Achorise:
Don't sound paranoid.You know the so called society controls everything, you dare not ask questions. A boy in ABK eat your communion bread and wine, he's not even a member, just an invitee to memorial service. What do you make out of it bro.I won't condem, but critically examine some of your doctrines objectively.

okitz4:
lol, Baba we don't take instructions from one person, u claimed to be a JW before, since u have been in the faith, u should know how it is run, you are certainly saying wat u don't know and understand

paulGrundy:
Funny thing is that the early church didn't do house to house preaching, they preached at market places, olympias and public squares. Mass-media is even more effective method than door to door.



Catholics, pentecostals e.t.c congregate at a church, just that I have seen NO WHERE in the bible where kingdom hall was mentioned.



Unitarians do not believe in hell fire, pentecostals don't believe in image worship, purgatory.
Oness pentecostals don't believe in trinity. Church of christ, 7th day adventist do not believe in the immortality of the soul. Watchtower blood transfusion doctrine has taken a 90% reversal change.

Achorise:
they need help, help them.I was once a member, since I met JESUS my life has changed tremendously. look for a good church to know God better.

paulGrundy:
That is not JW's website, but that site provides an accurate and all side view of the society, compared to jw.org which is very myopic.

paulGrundy:


What of the one where they said that in 1919, Jesus made an invisible appearance on earth and then chose the WT as his mouth piece. This doctrine is still believed and taught till today.

irunooboo:
i was a regular pioneer before i slept with the elder and MS. but now i hate JW and kingdom hall

XaintJoel20:
You wouldn't have the "time" to "read" it because it's revealing and brought out many flops in your belief and doctrine.
I am disappointed in you, reasons being that I hold Jehovah's Witnesses in high esteem due to their vast knowledge of the Bible, but you have turn out to be a poor student...

coachwilcox:
Im surprised you have so much information about witnesses and our present and past publications plus the apostate website jwfacts from where you draw all your information from.

You offer no alternative or better solution/doctrine or teachings better than what witnesses have to offer. You're obviously an apostate who

1. Was raised a witness and began to go back to the things behind.
2. Was disfellowshipped for wrongdoing and rather than repent and be reinstated have embarked on a campaign to discredit witnesses.
3. Fell in love with a witness girl and because she refused to marry you for not being a witness, you were left heartbroken and embarked on this campaign of hate.

All you do is dig into adjustments in scriptural understanding over the years and highlight it forgetting that even the early apostles had to reason from the scriptures on issues like circumcision and the likes for better understanding.

Catholics, Pentecostal churches and all regularly promote and practice unscriptural teachings and celebrations respectively THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE at all but when a witness adjusts thinking on certain matters you copy and paste this to discredit witnesses.

Well. i leave you with peters word in 2 Pet 2:1-3
However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.2Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.3Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.

Omagzee:
I attended the event too. I attend kingdom Hall meetings sometimes too and i am quite familiar with J.W doctrines.
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Abeg oooo, nobody mentioned Russel's miracle wheat seeds oo, nobody mentioned the fact that he was a divorcee, and the way he was treating his of wife was very contrary to bible standards which states that husbands and wives should submit to each other...hmmmmm.....
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He had a soft for mason. What of all the false prophecies? What of the one made by Russel himself which didnt come to pass?
Why are other christain organisation labelled false when clearly JW was built on falsehood? Did Russel made a claim which didnt come to pass? Yes he did!
He lost a lot of followers due to that prophesy which never came to pass.
And someone will tell me "we have amended our doctrines because our understanding of the bible has changed" . Lols. Why mend it? Shey watch tower say na una una church Holy spirit dae? (where is that in d bible)
Didnt watchtower state clearly that the Holy spirit "was only present in God's true earthly organisation (i.e JW)" and that all other christain organisation, was of the devil and which means the absence of the Holy spirit?
Where is that in the bible?
And if truely the organisation was inspired by the Holy spirit, then Russell's and some of the other prophecies would have come to pass....hmmmmm!!

I love J.W and i'll keep attenting meetings when i like, but i can never take some craps cus i no be dundy!!!
You have seen any prophecy fulfilled? Matthew 24:19? Instance

dumo1:
Bros u were not the one I quoted so Pls i beg you carry your wahala and your myopic mind to your village. Your comments haven't been useful to this thread. why so much hatred?

specie103:
what will Jesus do?
remember the story of the woman guilty of same act... but what does Jesus did?

well to me, matt5:48 is the wish of God for us... thus, since we are yet to attain this perfection or in one way or the other fall into sin, casting out or "disfellowship" is not the most appropriate way to deal with such issues, such person still lack the knowledge of the right things to do, he/she is still a "babe", he/she should rather be monitored and guided by those who have more understanding and "strong" is such area. proper guidance and counselling should be embraced rather than disfellowship.

We are Jesus follower and what Jesus will not do, we should also not do it. Jesus will no wise cast anyone away.

my opinion tho...

DonEffiong:
so his assertion is now trash because he is making a point?

ok take this why do JW keep predicting and changing the date Jesus will come and take his choosen kings to rule with him in heaven and how come u want to preach to others but bluntly refuse others preaching to you,

and why is that when a Jw marries a non-Jw it is considered a major sin in Jw that demands immediate disfellowship and subsequent ostracing by members?

irunooboo:
nothing in JW. try christ embassy and experience life changing miracles. i am a living witness that the God of Oyakilohme lives