₦airaland Forum

Blonchilli:
The rate at which these men of fraud are coming out to defend tithe eh, they're protesting as if government withhold salary. If Tithe is really more important to the member's soul than their pockets it won't rattle them like it does now. Freeze has my support 150 percent

bro it's frightening to, these fraudsters can kill for that 10% it's Crystal clear thats their major source of income and they would do anything keep the cash flowing in....too back for them times have changed, the sheeples have cut loose their leash.
#FreeTheSheeples

asuustrike2009:
The Bible didn't say you use your tithes to help the poor. That's man's idealogy instead the tithe is used for general administration of the church including helping the poor not you in particular taking to the poor.Tell daddy freeze to set up church let's watch how it operates

can u cite a Bible verse to support your claim sir?? I'm willing to believe you but a little more proof will help me understand you better...

asuustrike2009:
I didn't say it's right to buy private jets either

yea I know you can't say that as a sane human being...now tell me who is right here. Daddy freeze asked you to take your tithes and offerings and give it to the poor and the needy, not him ooo but these fraudsters aske you to bring the money to the their tenth....use ur church mind and tell me who u think is right?

felixomor:
She is correct,
Or u think your N20 offerings can really buy jets?

how about yourself that pay 5k per Sunday, have you ever been to the ophanages or which begger have you raised from the gutter

slowie:
you think its only their members that read their book? Take pastor Adeboye's Open Heaven for example, its been read in over 180 countries all over the world. he also pays his own tithe like every members. He gets paid his allowances like any other pastors in mission, that is if he is collecting it.

okay I believe you 80% do you have any proof to back up all these facts you just named? I mean do you expect me to just swallow up the lies like I'm one of your sheeples or what? Ordinary verse to even defend you position on tithes you people can't, na hunger go wire una very soon, poeple are becoming wiser

idu1:
Some members pay as high as 200k tithe you know?

200k? I have seem one who tithes 2m that's not among the offering of like 10k per Sunday...this is someone who's elder brother is living in abject proverty and starvation, he has beggers in his street gate but will give nothing. He would rather even buy drinks for agberos...... misplaced priorities,

asuustrike2009:
It wouldn't even buy it talk less of maintaining. If you say a single member buying it for the pastor then it's an issue not kobo kobo tithe that can't even build a church.

you buy a private jet for a pastor in a nation that lives on less than 90cents daily and you see nothing actually wrong with that then you need to see someone

Triniti:
From ‘Daddy’ downwards, it’s a cause for concern that our ‘fathers in the lord’ have been unable to muster a scripture-based response to Freeze’s simple questions. These are people that many Nigerians follow with all their lives. And they can’t defend a teaching they hold dear.

it's really a big shame and disgrace to the body of Christ... Just one single scripture they can backup their claims with? Where are we heading to ??

silasweb:
Enough of these debate. Paying tithe is all about what you believe

no it's not..go and give your money to the poor... daddy freeze ask that you provide for the poor and people around you but these Yahoomen ask you to bring the money to them, who are you believing?? Use ur head

This tells you how far ppl can go to see u fail..

Why am I not supprised?? I would definitely be supprised if it was oyedepo or adeb-Ole coz their jet would rather be filled than they investing that money in someone's life.. what have the sheeples got to say on this one or are they avoiding this thread?

majekdom2:
what is your definition of success. remember i said tithing or giving to charity.... choose any. Listen to Kiyoshaki 60 minutes to getting wealthy. I have attached some pics for you to see. The last picture has 3 boxes and it is save, invest and tithe/give to charity. go on you tube and look for the file. e means employee, s -self paid, b, business owner and I investor. The two on the left quadrant most times struggle to go with the concept of tithing

o you believe tithing is one key to success right? How many people have you lifted up? I don't mean the 1k or 2k u drop for beggers I mean how many kings have you raised?? How many people in positions can mention ur name as their life boat?? That's what I call success. Again remove this business inclined crap you are illustrating here. I'm not searching any damn link... focus on the topic and Don't try to deviate.

Well kudos to op for speaking honestly on what u feel about tithe. Tithing wasn't meant to be compulsory, the mogs knew that but then the devil in them came oout especially when they saw how much it could generate for them. They started using the Bible as a tool to force the members into paying tithes even when they have nothing to eat at home... I hear some asking if they heald a gun to peoples head to pay, the same way Yahooboys would ask you if the heald a gun to the whites This tithe was supposed to be for the poor and the needy not from the poor and the needy...

This has to stop, daddy freeze is right on point and believe it or not, this issue has drawn much attention World wide than some people realize. These pastors know where this is going and hats why they are trying to find all forms of excuse to make their sheeples discredit whatever is been said. But the truth will always prevail... When they start loosing important members then they will come clean and tell us where they saw weekly tithing and sowing of seeds like cards and first salaries in the Bible.

I myself I am not lacking, 10% wouldn't hurt me but I know alot of people that have been reduced to nothing by these useless fraudsters, not to mention how they use the money to sleep around with women in 5 star hotels around the world. This has to stop


#FreeTheSheeple

Where are the sheeples naaa, are they avoiding this thread? Let's see what their escuse would be this time of it's not the usual **** he is not a real man of God"" then if this one is not who then is?

majekdom2:
he is an employee.... ask business owners/investors on the issue of tithing and giving, you will understand somethings differently

man, stop those crap and give me a reasonable verse to backup your claim. I am willing to believe you but these nonsense that I should ask all those who tithe is just the same psychology a sales mane use to lure in buyers...I Know so many successful tithera as well as successful people who don't tithe. If the latter where unsuccessful then I bet that would have been your excuse for their proverty...the more you n ur fraudulent pastors try to deflect questions with flimsy answers the more foolish and ridulous y'all appear in the eyes and don't forget this isn't ye olden days. The internet never forgets, if you people don't clear this issue not, it's the final end for your fraudulent income....


Peace!!!

majekdom2:
upcoming but he owns his business.... freeze is an employee with cool Fm. i ll rather follow the instructions of people on the right quadrant than the left.

are you saying because he works with cool fm then he isn't educated enough to read and understand the Bible?? This is the same sentiments you sheeples exhibit just like ur mentor ApornStle Johnson sulele and that's why he can't give a single verse to butress his claim rather he will use flimsy excuses that tithe is spiritual but he eats the physical cash doesn't he You guys should come up with better reasons for the tithes y'all have embezzled lest you looses your flocks and go back to instant proverty....

That's why they are so pained, because the tithes automatically translates to a steady income for them and anything that threatens that equally threatens their lazy lives.

I never stood with freeze when all these began infact I was among those who thought he was making noise but when I say down to take a deep reasoning, especially when your so called pastors we're always deflecting the issues like bunch of illiterates. Imagine someone who claim to be educated , yet he can't go into a simple debate or peaceful argument without the mention of Spirit, canal and those decietful words the use in brainwashing their sheeples...

lonelydora:
Do you even know how many churches Dangote donates to? Do you know how many charity organisations these people you mention run? Why do you think God's blessings is only about money? Do you know how many accidents, robbery, sickness, God prevented from coming to you? You have good health, shelter, 3 square meal,etc. These are blessings.

how about those who gave the whole tithe and offerings but still died premature deaths? Did they not give abundantly of they didn't give all they had?

Chai see speech!!! These Yahoomen are all in trouble, they must be brought to book by fire by force since they want to become a problem to this nation.

I think una say black is better than white, I thought girls meant the hair too

This is no news na, infact the govt of this useless country is in support of acts like this..op sorry oo, it's so hard waking up daily to realize u are a Nigerian

aujile:
All of u crying everywher about tithe I have one question for you. The tithe I pay, is it your money that i'm using to pay it? If you think you are wise by not paying tithe, why not remain as the only "wise man" and stop looking for those you wil win to your foolishness. I so much luv the scriptures

this is so daft of you to use such a flimsy escuse for ur stupidity. If ur tithing was indeed biblical as u claim then what stops u from quoting one or two verses? I'm absolutely sure this is a pastor talking

Joephat:
Religion is a colonial scam

Lately is now an avenue to get rich.

Buhari, If you're really a hard man, instead of sending soldiers to kill innocent citizens.


Just start collecting TAX from all churches and prove your hard man, this ppl exploit ignorance citizens to get rich.

Collect the money and use it judiciously or better allow your cabal to loot it but the best thing to do is to use the money to increase Npower monthly allowance and it will touch the lives of an average Nigeria paying such tax.

Our vagabonds won't think that direction

Just look at this God of Men.

in as much as I agree with you it is NOT only churches, even mosques should be paying tax too. Infact any organization causing noise pollution.enough of these their Laundering scam activities

Pics of the beaten soldier or...

PJOPINION:
This is the best illustration of Tithing I have read In ages

“When you go to church today and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe. … Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your cloths, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.… If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different. … When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them. So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship dance very well because it is your tithe. " Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars? Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with naked women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom, you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church? Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows. Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.
I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.
We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.
I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.
It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.
I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.
If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.
I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.
I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me. The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house. It's still the same today, different scenarios.
If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.
I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.
I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.
I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.
If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.
If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.
If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.
I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.
So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.
The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense.(copied)

I don't understand why you can't pick out a single scripture to back up all what u said.if tithing is godly then you should be able to read it out from the scripture,aside that all what u said is plain jargons......or maybe you guys finally realize the Bible can't back u up and Kow u are trying to use common psychology to deflect the accusations right? Bru the internet is more smarter than ur 30000 words of confusion

uboma:
Say here, what do you know about tithing?


Again, your Apostle Suleiman is the Clergyman who loves to end his love sessions behind.


I did not cook this up for him. it is a record he set for himself.


If my comment offends you, please go hug a live transformer.


Ode!

savage u r

sexiestharam:
The Bible says we should not judge but there are so many things wrong with our churches today. I went to a church last week out of sheer curiosity and was stunned. It was a counselling section on a Monday. U had to pay a thousand naira to buy an anointing oil bottle that could not be up to 200 naira to see the pastor. I guess that's the gate fee. After speaking with the pastor, he tells me I needed special prayers and he would have to make a special oil for me which is N3000. What about the gate fee anointing oil? I would never enter there again.

lwkmd ,bro abeg next time try to mention the name of that church. This shouldn't be a secret again coz it's getting too much...the other time my youngest sister got admitted to the university, my mom took her to her pastor only for my Bros to list the type of deliverance he conducts, partial deliverance, 10k, full deliverance 17k and complete deliverance 30k...I was like wtf? From then my mom started believing what I say about these crooks called mogs.



I know a church where you buy an apple for 1k , the church is Mercy land in warri......if you need twins buy two apples

kevoh:
1. Assuming this happened, Jesus was probably high and hallucinating or in a state of delirium, that he was being commanded to eat stones, hunger will do that to you if you decide to starve yourself for forty days. who send am message not to eat?

2. How are we sure this event happened? Who among the writers of this particular story was there with him when it happened? How are we sure this Jew, was not fabricating some story of him being asked to turn stones to bread, as only the Bible with it's many contradictions is the only book that validates it?

OMG I finally found someone who's asking the same questions as me...I still don't get it, all these stories in the Bible who was there when it all took place?? The pictures we see was there a camera that took them then?? The writers of the Bible how did they know what to put down and how was it revealed to them?? I need more than just this "holy Spirit revealed" crap they keep telling us.

I keep saying this, xtianity is a big scam. It was as used to control ppl in the dark ages when people had no option than to worship these fraudsters. No that education is here to stay we much break all these sheeples loose by fire by force
#freeTheSheeples


All those stories of how Jesus rose after 3days is all lies. My guy no raise up anywhere, they probably fabricated all these lies to make the people back then asking this same questions we are asking now think that Jesus was in fact a true angel and son of God like they portrayed him to be.

Just look what religion has caused today, you go to an office in search of a job and the interviewer starts asking which church you attend. Even if he finally employs u he or she would want u in their Church by all means....

Just immagine... Now what will apostle sulele who ends in girls back have I say now? That no one should interfere in a so call man of God affares Abi? Or maybe they will also label this one as the fake when we are yet to see the original.
Mtcheew

femikay149:
I was laughing when on this same nairaland some ignoramus were calling Reinhard bonke a thief that he has come to chop money

Since I have known Reinhard bonke ..He doesn't collect offerings in his crusade neither does he solicit for donations...

Reinhard bonke doesn't have a church..He is an evangelist with a ministry that goes about preaching

This guy goes to the difficult places I can remember crusades he held in the north that caused riots from some Muslims he was smuggled out

Guess what he still came back to the north years later

Some of our chop chop pastors don run away from north east since boko haram..I thought they fear no one or witches

I will forever respect Reinhard bonke

Na where crisis dey ..where dey say you are not allowed to preach na there he dey go

The body of Christ will miss him as he plans to retire

One other thing you don hear Nigerian pastor retire even when them don old they will make sure they die there put

u said it all my brother. To add to it, why haven't the so called pastors gone to North to pray against Boko Haram? Or is there god not capable of stopping bad things anymore?

bionixs:
that is why you could hardly please naira landers. Because he hasn't given you guys a hold to destructively criticize the church and pastors and call him a scammer as usual, you now ask how it could it be funded. Non of your business sir. Keep your anti offering and tithe talk

I feel ur pain Bru but it's okay, u can always start another biz with the money you already took

ajibolag:
Did u see "African pastors" on d list I gave u? bros I knew that's where u would drag d matter to..

alright lets talk about Africa coz that where we are rn, right?

ajibolag:
have u witnessed healing miracles? since u r an academician research on it,( Kenneth hagin, Apostle wigglesmorth ,Reinhard Bonnke etc), nd u will be enlightened.

I did withness those planned ones in nigeria, eg apostle suleman, the Joshua, even the one in South Africa by a Nigerian pastor and I must say it was really enlightening...not to mention the rituals and sex scandals which no of them were proven innocent of. I did watch a confession on YouTube where a follower of pastor chris naratted how they give people wheel chairs and direct them on how to act as cripples. That was enlightening too.... Don't you have YouTube on ur phone or good hasn't blessed u with one yet? Bru una go hear am this time, the whole world will see all these swindling tactics ,unless you guys better come up with something better