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Next2Bezee:
When pastors have brainwashed their audience that God will give them 100 times the money that they pay to the pastor, what else do you expect... Is God a money doubler??

Hungry Nigerians now think that blessing is always money. They don't know that waking up in the morning, being able to eat and drink, wear clothes and be free from diseases are all blessings.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.”

Etuagievin:
. Fool, how? Go and read your bible and stop being decieved

BloggerDonald:
THE JOHNSONS 00000000000000000000000000

chipower:
If you erase references to the mosaic law in the old testament, Christains will not be able to know what it is. They will not know it when they see it. Consequently, Christians will not be able to stay away from it. I'm staying away from mosaic tithing because it is among the mosaic law in the old testament. References of the law were made in many places in the new testament, therefore, there is no way anybody can understand what the new testament is saying without knowing what the law or old covenant is all about. To be frank with you, I'm surprised at this question. Perhaps, you are trying to tell me indirectly that we should observe the mosaic law because it's still in the bible. If this is what you are trying to say then what is the reason for the new covenant. The law belongs to the old covenant. That is what my bible says.

'For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrew8:7'

There are 613 Old Covenant laws in the Old Testament (ask any Orthodox Jew) Many church leaders have selected one of those laws to keep for the Church, The Tithe. To support this, they quote Malachi who was talking about mosaic tithing.
However, in the old covenant, all 613 laws had to be kept perfectly. To break any one voided the entire contract and attracts curses.

'For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.' James 2:10.

Unless you are a Jew living under the Old Covenant, these laws and Jewish Observances did not apply to you in the first place.


'..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.' Acts 13:39.

'Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the (new Gentiles believers) disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?' Acts 15:10 .

'Blotting out ordinances which was against us, taking them out of the way by nailing them to his cross.' Colossians 2:14.

'Moses’ Teachings designated mortals as chief priests even though they had weaknesses. But God’s promise, which came after Moses’ Teachings, designated the Son who forever accomplished everything that God required.' Hebrews 7: 28.

Your second point is irrelevant in our discussion because it has nothing to do with whether mosaic tithing being preached by many pastors using Malachi is allowed in the new covenant or not. You have not been able to show so far why we must remove only tithing or some others from the law and observe them. Im not against supporting the church. If you like, sell your house and donate the money to the church. We are not discussing how much Jesus and his disciples received during his ministry. Pls focus on the topic of discussion. Obviously, Jesus and his disciples did not collect tithes.

Your third point is also irrelevant. Pls, stay on course. What you said did not address anything on the topic. Point of correction, i have never said that pastors misuse tithe money. That should be another topic of discussion. All I'm saying is that mosaic tithing is not allowed in the new covenant. I have used the bible and church history to support my argument so far. Pls don't put words into my mouth.

Your fourth point is once again irrelevant. If a christian wants, let him sell all his possessions and give the money to his pastor. It's his choice. Im not discouraging anyone from giving to church. Im just repeating the warnings the bible gave to christians concerning the law. Preaching mosaic tithing to christians is not a trivial matter because the apostles warned christians to stay away from the law. I take the word of God seriously.

“Each one should give as he has decided (purposed) in his own heart, not out of duty or obligation, for God loves a cheerful giver.' 2 Corinthians 9:7.

It's hypocrisy to bring one or two mosaic laws from 613 laws of the old covenant into new covenant while leaving others out. It doesn't work that way. Infact, the tithing done in many churches today is quite different from how the jews are tithing. Im not really against tithing but im against mosaic tithing which Malachi talked about. The law carries curses that's why Christains were warned to stay away. If you do one, you must do the rest. If not, you have failed. If you must give God ten percent or more of your earnings, don't do it under the Law. Again, christ didn't collect tithes, apostles didn't collect tithes and early christians didn't collect tithes. Tithing started centuries after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Many pastors who collect tithes know about this. Why they collect it ( mosaic tithing) is still a mystery to me. We must not cut and join the word of God. Thanks

naptu2:
A popular Twitter user, Mallam Adamu Hayatu, claims that this is a broadcast by the spokesperson of the Kaduna branch of the Nigerian Union of Teachers (NUT).

https://mobile.twitter.com/AHayatu/status/931039246911188992

chipower:
Im not a jew. Christains cannot be jews. A jew is a person who believes in and practises the religion of Judaism. Jews don't believe in Jesus Christ. They don't believe that he is the son of God. They don't believe that he is the Messiah. Jews believe in mosaic law. Hope you understand.

 On the issue of Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42, the first thing we have to understand when we look at these verses is that the New Covenant did not begin until Jesus died on the cross. These verses occur in the context of the Old Covenant and were directed to people who were still under the Old Covenant. Jesus was born under the Old Covenant and under the Law of Moses, as were all the Jews who were alive during Jesus’ life. It was necessary for Jesus to be born under the Law and to keep it perfectly so He could serve as the perfect sacrifice to cover the punishment of our sins. Jesus was not talking to gentiles or christians. There is no where in these verses where Jesus told Christians to pay tithes.

       'But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children'.Galatians 4:4-5 

Jesus was also exposing the hypocrisy of Pharisees and scribes who observed some laws and neglected the more important ones. Consequently, he urged them to obey all. If you must tithe, you must observe all. No two ways about that.

Christians are not under the law of Moses. It's made clear in many places in the Bible. Examples:
'1 Stand firm therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and don’t be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 Yes, I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace. 5 For we, through the Spirit, by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision amounts to anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith working through love.'
Galatians 5:1-6 ,
“For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them” Gal 3:10.,
'But by becoming a curse for us Christ has redeemed us from the curse that the Law brings; for the scripture says, “Anyone who is hanged on a tree is under God's curse.”Gal 3:13. Etc.

I have searched the new testament to see where tithing was taught to Christian but i have not seen one. Jesus did not collect tithes. Apostles didn't collect tithes. Paul did not collect tithes. Early christians did not collect tithes. It was introduced centuries later. This is well documented. The question is 'why should we collect it?' we are in the new covenant. So why? Why must we do what the apostles and early christians, who handed down our faith to us, didn't do.

Even if someone decides to partaking in some parts of the law, like tithing, let it be voluntary so that it doesn't become a curse to him or her when he or she didn't observe the others.

aribisala0:
Honestly I do not think it is relevant to the discussion. You might as well ask if my marriage is in crisis
In all seriousness I do not believe I have greater intellectual ability than you do. If it seems that way that is only because,perhaps, I think and question more. Though I am not sure if that is true.

aribisala0:
You said I sound like an Idol worshiper. For me that is not a matter of offence or not but understanding and judgment. The truth of the matter is that the moment you start worshipping the monotheist God you start idolatry. It is inevitable and I will expatiate.
We have five senses through which we experience the world

Smell
Sight
Touch
Sound
Taste

If I experience rice it is through those senses and for me to communicate about it to another I use those senses. If I call it "RICE" the person I am communicating with either hears a sound e.g Rice ,Iresi Arroz or whatever sound is agreed. If we reflect on that .That sound is just a random energy which we then agree is how we communicate about rice.When I say Rice we know what I mean. but "RICE" the sound has nothing to do with rice the grain other than we decide so " by convention". We cannot eat the word "RICE" or touch it etc. A person who is deaf and dumb and blind can still experience rice. Now beyond the sound is the representation with letters. R.I.C.E as I am using here(no sound) involved still you understand what I mean

If we switch that to "GOD" when those letters G.O.D appear what comes to mind and is this the same for every person who claims to worship GOD? I don't think it is the same.

What do we do . We flesh God out with more word

Omnipotent,Omniscient Most merciful etc but those words do not help us in achieving same understanding. They are just sounds ,random sounds without meaning like the sounds of a musical instrument at random.Until people AGREE in their language this is what this sound means or that sound means. To a person who does not learn that language .The sounds are meaningless. A language can be created out of nothing.The sounds have always existed long before the language. Just like the carving has always been hidden in the log of wood

The sound if we speak it or letters if we read it interact with one of those 5 senses to communicate and convey a message about GOD. for those who believe there is only one we may do so in different ways in different cultures and language but the reality is we are making a SENSORY REPRESENTATION of an entity that we do not experience through the senses. i,.e sound and visual(writing).

Many then say it is okay to represent God in this way but not to draw or to carve. drawing or carving is idolatry but naming is not??

When I am hungry I know.
Calling it "HUNGER" is not any where near to the experience neither is carving or painting hunger a realistic proposition.
Any neurologist who has worked with the sensory impaired will grasp these ideas.

The point is calling it in speech "GOD" ,Writing it in text or drawing it on a wall or making a stone or wood carving are by definition all forms of

IDOLATRY. The religious snobbery that posits that somehow singing the word God( a creation of language from sound) is better or less idolatrous than a carving from stone.
Why can't God be represented by a RINGTONE if we agree that is what it should mean?
can a deaf and blind person relate to GOD

The only senses available to him are touch smell and taste. Can he taste God or smell him?
How does he worship?

Language is as much a carving from ether as any physical sculpture is from wood
The idea that "GOD" has a "NAME" is a fiction of man as as idolatrous as the idea that God has a form both ideas seek to circumscribe "GOD" to one of our five senses
calling a thing an idol simply means it does not coincide with your own ideas but how is that different from an English speaker calling Yoruba and Idol since to his hears and senses it is MEANINGLESS

aribisala0:
Are you folk ever able to debate issues on their merit.


Alll you ever do is resort to hypocritical name calling and labelling.


I quoted the bible. Instead of with the issues you are talking nonsense about atheist and idol worship.



Instead of dealing with issues you are talking of Freeze's marriage


That is evidence of lack oof ideas


The point is a simple one Offering as described in the bible is not going to provide sanctuary for tthose losing the tithe argument..

Offerings generally were a blood sacrifice which is the essential nature of Jehova.

As far as idols go . I suggest you open a dictionary because there are countlesss examples of idolatry in the Old Testament.

Let us not derail

Offerings are not in anyway the same as voluntary cash gifts



They are ritual sacrifices to be performed in a prescribed way

aribisala0:
Offerings are mentioned several times in the old testament . The first time being Cain and Abel. All the other times seem related to these 5 ideas

The burnt offering,Lev 6:13 'A fire shall always be burning on the altar; it shall never go out.Lev 1:3 'Let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the LORD.
the meal offering,2 “‘When anyone brings a grain offering to the Lord, their offering is to be of the finest flour. They are to pour olive oil on it, put incense on it 2 and take it to Aaron’s sons the priests. The priest shall take a handful of the flour and oil, together with all the incense, and burn this as a memorial[a] portion on the altar, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 3 The rest of the grain offering belongs to Aaron and his sons; it is a most holy part of the food offerings presented to the Lord.
the peace offering, When his offering is a sacrifice of a peace offering, if he offers it of the herd, whether male or female, he shall offer it without blemish before the Lord. 2 And he shall lay his hand on the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of meeting; and Aaron’s sons, the priests, shall sprinkle the blood all around on the altar.
the sin offering, Lev 4:1-4 Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'If a person sins unintentionally against any of the commandments of the LORD in anything which ought not to be done, and does any of them, 'if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering. 'He shall bring the bull to the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the LORD, lay his hand on the bull's head, and kill the bull before the LORD.

and
the trespass offering .Lev 6:5-7 "He shall restore its full value, add one-fifth more to it, and give it to whomever it belongs, on the day of his trespass offering. And he shall bring his trespass offering to the LORD, a ram without blemish from the flock, with your valuation, as a trespass offering, to the priest. So the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any one of these things that he may have done in which he trespasses."

In summary offerings were prescribed rituals similar to what the Yoruba may call EboRiru. Remember when Saul went to Amalek and returned with animals which he claimed were for sacrifice.

In short Jehovah the deity of the Jews enjoyed blood sacrifice and this iw what was meant by "OFFERING" in some verses though offering is not the most accurate term . It was sacrificial material usually animal but sometimes cereal or grain that was burnt because Jehovah found the aroma pleasing
We have used ritual sacrifice in traditional African religion for ever and would not use the term "offering" but in Yoruba we say "Ebo"
It was not money

Many Chritians seem oblivious of the history of Jehova as an Ebo loving deity

chipower:
Paying tithe is a part of mosaic law. Abraham paid tithe without pressure, command or curse….he also did not tithe of his substance but of the spoils of war. In other words his tenth was voluntary. He was not compelled by any law to do so. Again what he did was a one time thing. There was no indication anywhere else that he was tithing in the hands of MELCHIDEZEK before or after the incident contrary to your opinion of Abraham paying 'tithes' to MELCHIDEZEK.
This tithe is different from the one tithe collectors are talking about. They are talking about the one which was later included in the Mosaic Law which carries commands to give a tenth for tabernacle worship. Tithing is mentioned 18 times in the Law, as the people were to share their produce and livestock to support the Levites etc. This is the one that carries commands which Malachi was talking about. I wonder who told you that tithe is not a mosaic law. Tithing is still a mosaic law till today. You can go and ask any jew whether tithe is a mosaic law or not and see the reply he will give you. You can also google it. Who taught you this? Tithing was later included in the mosaic law therefore it's a mosaic law. i don't really understand when you say it's not a mosaic law. Are you the one who removed it from the list?

I don't need to touch other points you raised cos i don't think it is necessary in order to make my points clear but i will do in the future if necessary .

Remain blessed

chipower:
If we must pay tithe, we must fulfill other mosaic laws. Why must we pick only one, the one that has to do with money. Apostles did not collect tithes. Early church didn't pay tithes. Priests who collected tithes in the old testament era had no inheritance but all the tithe collectors we have now have different types of inheritance. The poverty in our society has nothing to do with tithe. It is a systematic problem. In a society where things are done the right way, Christian, muslims, aethist, misers, idol worshipers, satanists,marmons etc all enjoy prosperity. There is no difference between those who pay tithe and those who do not pay in Nigeria. Everbody is suffering from the same harsh conditions brought about due to the failures in our system. There is no evidence that supports paying tithe makes you richer. All i see in Nigeria are personal testimonies which contradicts the reality on the ground in their various churches and in our society as a whole. I have seen stingy people who are very rich. I have seen people who do not go to church but they are very rich and prosperous in terms of early riches. Uncountable tithe payers in Nigeria are very poor just like many others who don't pay. It's nobody's fault but the fault of systematic failures. Many poor nigerians who left nigeria for a better society got better financially with time. I have many of them as friends.

chipower:
If we must pay tithe, we must fulfill other mosaic laws. Why must we pick only one, the one that has to do with money. Apostles did not collect tithes. Early church didn't pay tithes. Priests who collected tithes in the old testament era had no inheritance but all the tithe collectors we have now have different types of inheritance. The poverty in our society has nothing to do with tithe. It is a systematic problem. In a society where things are done the right way, Christian, muslims, aethist, misers, idol worshipers, satanists,marmons etc all enjoy prosperity. There is no difference between those who pay tithe and those who do not pay in Nigeria. Everbody is suffering from the same harsh conditions brought about due to the failures in our system. There is no evidence that supports paying tithe makes you richer. All i see in Nigeria are personal testimonies which contradicts the reality on the ground in their various churches and in our society as a whole. I have seen stingy people who are very rich. I have seen people who do not go to church but they are very rich and prosperous in terms of early riches. Uncountable tithe payers in Nigeria are very poor just like many others who don't pay. It's nobody's fault but the fault of systematic failures. Many poor nigerians who left nigeria for a better society got better financially with time. I have many of them as friends.

gattoch:
Lie lie lie... Jesus insulted the Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees in his time... Freeze is doing God's work already by opening the eyes of the blind and freeing those under the spell of fake abd evil prophets... Does God need a camp or my money to have me serve him? John 4: 20- 24 answers that. Stop being dogmatic... Wake up!

Mujtahida:
Please don't get my warning on Austin Sparks wrong. Not at all. I mean that he's so Christ centered in his teachings that if you are not strong, if you are a christless Christian you will not finding his teaching easy on your palates. Please try and read him. He's in the same mould as Watchman Nee, Charles Spurgeon (please read Spurgeon I beg you) A W Tozer, Christopher Blumhardt etc

On leaving Christianity? Hahahaha hahahaha. I can't go into that here. Let's not derail the thread. Cheers

Mujtahida:
I agree with you on Gbile and the rest you have mentioned.
The church has always sought to substitute itself for Christ. This is the era of christless Christianity. It takes a deeply spiritual Christian to notice what's going on. Majority are blind, tragically blind to the monstrous fraud and deception going on in the churches.

My brother carry on the work. I have left Christianity. I am only saying all I have said so that those who regard themselves as Christians will realise what's going on.

If you are interested go online and read preaching Christ by Charles mcllvaine at www. gracegems. com and go to www.austinsparks.net (warning: if you are not strong please don't read Austin Sparks)

Mujtahida:
There's nothing the churches hate more than Jesus Christ. When last did you hear Christ being preached? And the reason they avoid preaching HIM is because if they do, they'd first have to be confronted by HIM and his power to show that much of what passes as Christianity today is a sham. That's why they'd rather - ironically in his name - preach about holiness, righteousness, about prosperity, about healing, give motivational talk but never preach about HIM and the CROSS

CampuChan:
I stopped reading where you alleged Daddyfreeze tackling of tithes is hardening people's attitude towards religion.
You left out the crux of the problem>The obnoxious and opulent lifestyles of our pastors.

CampuChan:
Even his church members didn't believe the lies.

Adeboye didn't talk about owning fleets of aircraft, instead he lied about Daddyfreeze.
Daddyfreeze never said churches should use tithe money to buy alcohol.
His anger is towards billionaire Pastors. The ones who enjoy opulent lifestyles but tell their congregants their reward is in heaven.

Jesus Christ was not wearing gold shoes even though we knew he could. Jesus lived a simple life unlike our millionaire pastors.

Easier for a poor and repentant thief to enter into heaven than these multi millionaire pastors, their heaven is already here on earth.

nwabobo:
As a former vice president, Dr. Alex Ekwueme is entitled to free medical treatment abroad paid for by the Federal government. Why Buhari and his aides are making so much noise about Dr. Ekwueme's entitlement being accorded him beats me.

See REMUNERATION OF FORMER PRESIDENTS AND HEADS OF STATE (AND OTHER ANCILLARY MATTERS) ACT

Perquisites of office of former Vice-Presidents

Personal staff

1. (1)        An officer not below the rank of a Chief Administrative Officer.

(2)    A Personal Secretary not below Grade Level 10, who shall be selected by the former Vice-President and paid by the Federal Government.

Security

Civilian Vice-President

2.     (1)    Two to three armed policemen.

(2)    One State Security Service Officer not below Grade Level 8 as an Aide de Camp to be attached for life and paid by the State Security Agencies.

Vehicles

3.     (1)    Two vehicles to be bought by the Federal Government and liable to be replaced every four years.

(2)    The drivers shall be selected by the former Vice-President and paid by the Federal
Government.

Protocol

4.     (1)    Diplomatic passport for life.

(2)    Entitled to protocol within and outside Nigeria.

Medical services and vacation

5.     (1)    Free medical treatment for former Vice-Presidents and their immediate family within Nigeria.

(2)    Treatment abroad for former Vice-Presidents and their immediate family and where
necessary at Federal Government expense.

(3)    Thirty days annual vacation within and outside Nigeria at Federal Government expense.

Provision of office accommodation

6.     A modestly well-furnished and equipped office in any location of the choice of the former Vice-President in Nigeria.

Provision of residential accommodation

7.     A well furnished three-bedroom house to be provided in any location of the choice of the former Vice-President in Nigeria.

Postal privileges

8.     All former Vice-Presidents shall be entitled to send non-political mails within and outside Nigeria as franked mail marked "POSTAGE PAID".

Telephone

9.     One direct telephone line at Federal Government expense.

http://www.lawnigeria.com/LawsoftheFederation/REMUNERATION-OF-FORMER-PRESIDENTS-AND-HEADS-OF-STATE-(AND-OTHER-ANCILLARY-MATTERS)-ACT.html

Holuwahyomzzy:
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Jude Okoye, the elder brother to Paul and Peter of Psquare has a simple yet very deep message for one of his brothers or maybe both.

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Sharing the photo above, He wrote,

"Don't choke on 'em'.

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Gist. Via: http://www.yomzzyblog.com/2017/09/jude-okoye-posts-cryptic-message-on-ig.html

chibike69:
Mine

Florblu:
She has been spewing rubbish recently

queensera:
The "eleko" crooner "Mayorkun" has took to his snapchat page to reveal that girls that knows too many people are a big turnoff for him and he will just have a sex with that kind of a girl and break up with her.

Check More Via Source:
http://www.nairaplus.com/2017/09/girls-that-knows-too-many-people-are.html

40kobo77:
So Nnamdi Kanu means IPOB Clowns are Worshiping Idols like this?is that not his PEE that man is licking?

oshiyy:
. 3Gbosaaaaaa

EmperorLee:
Europa wey be Loser's cup ? God forbid.
Epl straight