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[quote author=The_keeper]One word. .IDI.OTIC for d op n his bigotic attempt at logic...foooool[/quote]mind your language. remember you are in the presence of the lord.

Horus: Interresting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent.

Genesis 4:16

"16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."

How can Cain went out from the presence of the LORD if he is omnipresent?.

Well apart from the quotes of a few men in the bible like David and Amos, the whole stories in the bible argues against the omnipresence of god.

A few examples:

Adam and eve were able to hide from god when they realised they were naked. God didn't see them eat the fruit. He asked if they had eaten the fruit. Gen 3:11

2 Kings 5:15

15 Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood before him and said, “Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. So please accept a gift from your servant.”



Acts 17:24

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.


2 Thessalonians 1:9

9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might



These following verses however, argue in favour of god's omnipresence:

Jeremiah 23:24

24 Who can hide in secret places
so that I cannot see them?”
declares the Lord.
“Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares the Lord.


Psalm 139:7-10

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

Amos 9:2

2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:



And the most confusing part:

Amos 9:3

3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:

Does he see or not see them?

Satan is alive and kicking. No shaking.

Even though god and his angels and followers have been fighting him, threatening him for time immemorial, he is out there fighting for mankind.
Satan is the wisest person you'll ever meet.
Satan's love for man knows no bounds.
Follow his teachings and you will live the happiest and most fulfilling life here right now on earth.

To the poster, there is no proof that will satisfy you. So to answer your question, "there is no proof".

eddy1977: Before you commit abortion,please ask the baby if it's ok to kill it.

Maybe women should start laying eggs. That will solve a lot of these problems.

kpozite: Poster You are a big FOOL.

A big fool full of god.
Consider that and bow in his majesty.

obadiah777: YEAH IF KPOTESHI MEANS KNOWLEDGE, YOU DAYUM RIGHT, I HAVE INCREASED MY DOSE

khoteshi is a higher version of gbanaa. it gives the illusion of increased knowledge.

Buzugee has increased his dose kpoteshi.

nice idea, musiwa.

amazing what your brain can do when you are not looking at satellite pictures.

2good: You are a big fool for your last post. 5x5 will always give you 25. 2+2 will always give you 4. You dont't need a white man to tell you that. All you need is the right environment to expolore with your brain. You religious people are the biggest hypocrites that ever existed. You castigate technological advancement yet you use the same product of technology(computer) to spread your ignorance online. Why not convert your bible to some WiFi and spread information round the world. I am proud to say the education I got help me to contribute to the extraction of the gas you need to keep yourself warm this winter while you sit down in your house typing nonsense and meditating on some old nonsense stories that have not yielded any result since it was compiled. By the way, with all the bible and churches we have in Nigeria, what have we been able to achieve? Nothing to show for our over religiosity except suffering and extreme poverty and finding solace on the hope that in the event of death, we'll go to some illusion realm called heaven, so suffering on earth is allowed.

But, but, the pope just nominated another nigerian cardinal. alleluia, praise be to jizz-us!

Many theists believe in the omnipresence of god. They sing it in their songs. It is the reason why they pray anywhere because they believe god hears and sees them wherever they are.

But this omnipresence of god is not without problem for the minds of the godly because it implies that god is also in places where they will rather he not be. Consider this: God is in hell.

This assertion posed a lot of problems to early christians but they eventually admitted that it was true.

Here is Martin Luther discussing this with his friends.

The question of “divine substance” in the soul came up once at Luther’s dinner table. ... Luther said: “God is not bound to a locality. He cannot be excluded from any place nor can he be limited to or locked in any place. ... He is in even the lowliest creature, in a leaf or a blade of grass, yet God is nowhere.” Since there were apparently some professional theologians present, the question arose whether God is everywhere potentialiter or substantialiter [in power or in substance], as a question of whether God was a potential or an essential ground. Luther: “I answer: in both ways in each creature. The creature acts by virtue of its qualitas, its qualities, but God acts...essentialiter, from the depth of his essence.” The recorder of the chronicle continues: “When someone said: ‘That I don’t understand,’ he answered: ‘Don’t you believe that God is at the same time present on the cross and in the virgin Mary’s womb? In either case it is impossible for our reason to believe. In the same way that God can be lodged in the virgin’s womb, he can also live in every creature.’ Another person said: ‘Would God consequently be in the devil?’ ‘Yes, certainly in substance even in hell...as Psalm 139[:8a] says: “If I make my bed in Sheol, thou are there”.’” (Bengt R. Hoffman, Theology of the Heart [Minneapolis: Kirk House Publishers, 1998], p. 84. The “Table Talk” quotations are from WT 1; 101, 27-37.)

http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology.godinhell.html

Well, theists, consider my own input in this. The omnipresence of god implies thus that god is

in my sewer
in my urine
in ashawo's menstrual pad

when, the okada man is inside the prostitute, there is god, right between the friction of their privates.
god is wholly and in essence inside the vomit of the drunkard
the exploding bomb of boko haram contains god

god is on my keyboard while i'm typing this
he is in me, in my veins and in my brains.

he is in the devil and is part and parcel of his three tongued fork
he was in hitler and was in the furnace that burned those jews.

he is in my spperm and when i go to the toilet in the morning, there he is.
are you smoking ganja? you are smoking god.

have you ever seen two dogs locked together in their sexual act, god is inside.
etc etc.

If you deny any of these statements, then you are denying god's omnipresence.

So the next time you see dog poo on the side of the road, please bow down in submission to his holy presence.

Revelation 20:7-10

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Lies, lies and lies.

lastpage: If this Dr. Nwaezeigwe where to be a Nairalander, Ndi Igbo will:

1.) Accuse him of Anti-Igbo activities!
2.) "LABEL HIM" as another "OKIJA JUJU"
3.) Ban him from all "political aspirations" like becoming the "Eze Ndigbo of Nairaland"!

For those who abused him for consulting "Fasheun" (refering to Globe and Igwe), did it not occur to you all that "Igbo" or any other Nigerian tribe CANNOT all by itself, do anything without the support of at least one other major tribe?

I have said these in many of my post, including recently on the "Eze Ndigbo Nairaland election" thread around the 48th page or so.

The "Dr." is a smart man and he is trying to "build bridges" across tribal divide, which he hopes would pay dividend at the right time in future! And by "anything", l mean "Presidency, Secession, just name it"

I am hoping the new "to be elected Eze Nairaland" will learn from this, something that fine Igbo lady "Ogugua88" also highlighted.

Cheers,

Lastpage!

The only future awaiting that old man is a 6 feet deep hole preferably in yorubaland.

Smooyis: I think he is objective in his comment. He wrote like a more refined and civilized igbo man. A humble and intelligent thinker. Igbos should emulate him and give room for reasoning. We need one another. Why are many so stupid not to recognise dis. The north smiles and rejoices each time we confront ourselves. The ibos are the enemies of themselves. They say things that cause others to continually hate them. Or is it a curse? They should stop thinking they are better, or can do it all alone. Enough of all dis tribal acrimonies!

may Sango thunder blaster your family. Ewu Yoruba. Who needs your love?

[quote author=X-factoria]Please don't dignify that fool with a response. Typical of them, they can't make logical arguments so they resort to abuse and all sorts of crazy rants.

I stopped posting on NL for a while until recently because of the attitude of very many under-age/immature posters like this Piazenza that constitute the statistics of pathetic Nigerian youths! Its a shame that we have a bunch of them in this generation. I fear for the future of Nigeria.[/quote]please continue your nl posting strike.
who needs your stinking posts?
shegge

alj harem: who are they ?

i thought u've gone to bed

present

makizee: This repeated quote accusing Awolowo of starving ibos during is quite riduculous, wair was ur combatant supposed to give you a balanced diet comparable to what would obtain in a five star hotel abi.., the guy on the opposing side is supposed to make sure you are well fed, so you can continue to fight him, yes, Awo said it himself that there was a total blockade when the Nigerian government discovered that the food meant for civilians were hijacked by the soldiers(which would just unneccessarily prolong the war, just as pres truman decided to use the a bomb on japan to try end ww2) and the elites of Biafra, achebe and ojukwu inclusive, how come they and their families and cronies did not suffer any effects..to my ibo brethren, ur enemies are within Iboland.

don't worry. We know our enemies.

alj harem: e don finish ? Show is over

Ok now on a serious note.

We as a people should not let petty tribalism becloud our sense of reasoning. Yes I am an Awoist, this does not make me a tribalist rather it makes me a strong believer of Awolowo's idealogies. I know some would ask, "why can't I just form my own idealogy". Yes you all are right but Awolowo's idealogy is in line with mine. A commonwealth nation we all can enjoy. The first school Awolowo built was in Urhobo land and yes they made fun of him. Look at it today.

I love Igbos and trust me even today I was still called an Igbo man because of my looks I just laugh about it and wonder if Igbos on nairaland can see how Igbo loving I am. But this does not excuses Achebe's ignorance on the baifra issue.

Each time Baifra topic comes up and I am online it annoys me because first of all, I believe it is silly of us to be discussing issues that happened in 1960's in year 2012. Secondly, it brings out the worst in me because I have read and research on this baifra issue extensively. I have even done a personal survey to know more so I can be as objective as a man can be. I found out that I keep arriving at the same conclusions.

Sometimes it can drive a sane man crazy when you keep repeating the same issue and the same question are still being asked. Then you result to insult, that this point most yorubas would be laughing because you have started acting like lunatics.

I mean don't you find it embarrassing ? because I do for you all.

See Yoruba snake. As soon as he is defeated starts seeking reconciliation.
STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR TRIBE.
STAND UP AND FIGHT LIKE A MAN.

Omo Alata: God is merciful

he is o!
i glorify his mighty name.
I don't want trouble.

alj harem: [size=14pt] Those were baifran ex-soldier that are disappointed at the cowardice of Ojukwu. Those are your fore-father you mumu[/size] (excuse my language )

if those people can see reason why would a nobody from a generation that did not experience the war reason like a goat ? (again excuse my language)

Haba you must admit, you have nothing on Awo and yorubas or even hausas.

now you are resorting to insults which is what happens when one is losing an argument.

mouth will talk but the only black man in the history of mankind to ever create a country for his own people, a place where they can call home, and defend it for 3 good years against all odds is General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu. An igbo man. Pride will kill me.

alj harem: You are a funny man if you believe that crap

1. So you think Soldiers would leave a man out of their sight and he jumped into a ditch

Who is this man and what ditch is in Ibadan ?

Moreover who would you believe this nobody or Danjuma who is still alive ? What does he have to gain ?

look at this brainwashed fellow. so you actually believe believe mumu aboki soldiers knew what they were doing in 1966? like i said, you will believe everything your master fed you.
has danjuma come out and contradicted this man's account? since the truth started coming out, all of them have shut their mouth.

alj harem: Any objection advocate666 ?

Have you watched the video yet ?

I watched the video. Like I said before, some people need to be excommunicated from igboland.

alj harem: So is that not dying for Ironsi, oh he should have ran away like Ojukwu. My friend, we Yorubas don't run. We are humble and deep thinkers.

you really are full of it.
here.

"It was then that Fajuyi came out to find out what was holding me, and there inside the Government House Danjuma ordered for his arrest and mine too. That was when I saw Walbe. Then Fajuyi asked me to take him to Ironsi so that they will obey him, that there should be only one person in charge. So, I took them to Ironsi, and major Newman, immediately he saw Ironsi, he seized his crocodile swagger stick, and then they started asking him about the January coup, he said he didn’t know about it that he only agreed to be Head of State so that he can restore confidence and normalcy. It was immediately they arrested Ironsi that they turned violent".

...

My escape
As Fajuyi fell down and they were beating him, Sanni Bello came to me and tapped me and said, we could do something now. It was providence, may be I was not destined to die. I took a few steps from them and jumped into a nearby ditch, all in a split of a second, Bello came and stood by the ditch and was shouting that I had escaped pointing at another direction. So the soldiers ran around that direction shooting into the bush, and when they felt they must have killed me, they shot Fajuyi and then Ironsi there, by the side of the stream. So Bello made sure that he was the last to leave the place.
The ADC, who was later elected senator in 1983 stated that the former Head of State could have escaped if not that he wanted to make sure that there was no bloodshed. He said if he sacrificed his life and prevented bloodshed in Nigeria, it’s better for him. Even his chaplain urged him to escape but he said No. Also many of his officers who were contacted instead of taking action ran away.
The ADC denied the prevailing story that Ironsi was tied to a Land Rover and dragged along the road. He maintained that he saw Ironsi and Fajuyi shot dead. "They shot him on the chest and it was a burst, so he would have died after the first shot".

You can see from the first bolded that Fajuyi betrayed Ironsi by ordering a junior officer to take the murderers to Ironsi. Maybe he thought he coud save his azs by giving them Ironsi.

alj harem: Call him whatever those are the fact. Any objection or you want to result to insults

yes there is an objection as there are conflicting reports by other officers present during the murders. i just linked to one. read it. https://www.nairaland.com/1076677/real-story-how-lt.col-fajuyi

emmatok: Lol,

Did you actually read the link you posted.

Fajuyi was shot alongside Ironsi.

You lied .

Where did I lie?
Alj harem said fajuyi died for ironsi, i showed post that proves fajuyi was arrested by aboki, beaten up by aboki and shot by aboki. nowhere did he die for ironsi's sake.

alj harem: LOL [size=14pt]these are Danjuma's words. The man that shot Fajuyi and Ironsi, so any other version is counterfiet like most igbo products.[/size]

of course you would accept whatever your aboki masters tell you.

alj harem: @advocate666

Fajuyi a yoruba man died for Ironsi an Igbo man here is Danjuma's words ( the man that killed them both) on Fajuyi

Fajuyi and banjo why would you died for ingrates

Any Igbo man as brave as this man has not been born

see this : https://www.nairaland.com/1076677/real-story-how-lt.col-fajuyi

AjCityOne: He didn't dragged the whole Yoruba nation to war and dressed like a woman to ran away. Whatever Diya, he acted on his own self interest and not for Yoruba people. Unlike Coward-Jukwu!!!
Keep talking and you are going to get deported!!! Lol

deported? lol.
i am actually renting flats to Yoruba people in lagos. hehe. pray for a real biafra so i can abandon your useless city for you. ewu. until then, remain colonised.

tunnytox: What a lame post! Mention a single Igbo hero or shut up!
Even Akintola a civilian fought ibo soldiers to death, that what real heroes does not running away in the middle of the night dressed in iro and buba like a woman.

Most igbos are heroes. The hair on my child's hair is worth the entire Yoruba race.

Let me answer your previous yeye post full on nigerian jailbirds you call heroes.

Adekunle Fajuyi - I will just refer you to this thread to see how your aboki masters beat him mercilessly before cutting his throat like sallah ram. https://www.nairaland.com/1076677/real-story-how-lt.col-fajuyi
Victor Banjo - Shot like a castrated he goat in Enugu by General Odumegwu Emeka Ojukwu. Biafran head od State.
MKO Abiola - After being raped repeatedly by the abokis, they gently offered him nice cup of tea. Yoruba brain drank.
Kudirat Abiola - Shot in Lagos street (her fatherland) in broad daylight by her aboki masters whom she has been sucking off after they murdered her husband.
The entire Kuti family - The advent of AIDS shows that sometimed, god moves in mysterious ways.
Gani Fawehinmi - Blown up by your aboki fulani masters.

What did your people do after all these aboki on Yoruba atrocities? Nothing except turn and start badmouthing igbos on nl. Your elders even went to Abuja to collect blood money to shut up.

Shameless tribe: suicidal, cowardly, backstabbing, lazy, murderous, dirty, loud, useless, slavish, aboki follow follow, ugly, oily, snakey, beggars, parasitic.

naijababe: Adekunle Fajuyi
Victor Banjo
MKO Abiola
Kudirat Abiola
The entire Kuti family
Gani Fawehinmi
Etc

hahaha.
where do i begin?
you forgot awolowo.

Digriz: I hv seen one.

how was it?
was it wearing any clothes? please i want to know exactly what you saw.

useless hausa man no finish school wan go pilot plane? e think say na okada?