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RichyBlacK:
@davidylan
So you yarn all that thing finish, and you no answer my questions. Pathetic!

If nobody has ever told you, let me explain to you how you answer questions:

RichyBlack: Your brother just shot that nine-year old girl in the head. My gosh, he just took her life!
davidylan: What do you mean? Hundreds of nine-year old girls (even younger) die everyday. I don't hear you complain. Even yesterday, that man from your village killed two girls in Siberia. I didn't hear your protests. Now my brother has killed just one small girl, and you're up in arms. Gerrout!

Can you answer a question directly without referring to all the other negative things happening in the universe?

Does Zionism imply zero sympathy for the victims of injustice?

Can't you at least admit that your brother's action of killing that nine-year old girl is wrong? Haba!

I no fit shout. You just summarized this boy's style.

Funny enough for every single question you ask him be ready to get (as a way of response) about 5 or more questions with some of them not having anything to do with the original question you asked.

It is called diversion of attention from the real issue. That way, attention will be focused on many unrelated issues while relegating the main issue to the background.

@rufaai,

How many domains do you allow on a single machine?

Do you have a limit and if yes, what is it?

@debosky,

Thanks for your post.

While I agree that no one can categorically state that everything in the article is factual or verifiable however, there are issues that need explaining.

It was reported that the Foreign Affairs Minister from France made a statement that war with Iran was a possibility before the September date (alleged date of attack) and retracted the statement after the date passed without incident.

Again, considering the risks and sensitivity of the issue of nuclear weapons why would something like this pass off as mere mistake?

The article clearly pointed out how Washington Post tried to explain away the issue.

I will not put my money on anything the media says because only the media houses know the correctness or otherwise of information they dish out and the motives too.

That stated, as consumers of information from so many different sources it is left for us to make sense of what we see or hear considering the fact that the media will not and cannot think for us.

@WesleyyanA,

Forgive the slowpoke davidylan, the only thing that makes sense to him is what he thinks or says. Maybe when he is through with his free education in the US he will mature a bit and then understand that people are bound to see things differently and only reason or clarification will help in convincing others, not abuses and insults.

@Denex,

Na wah for you ooo, you still dey take davidylan serious?

After his response on the Vatican you should have tuned in to the latest cartoon to watch rather than waste time on this student slowpoke, I never knew that the quality of education in the US has gone down to this level or is one boy trying to drag the quality down all by himself?

ST3V3:
@Afam, your comments obviously reflect your low level of intelligence,as u have resorted to personall attacks. All u need to start a thread is reason intelligently, gather facts, and u won'nt have to make a fool of yourself like this. To be honest i will "agressively" avoid your threads like a plague, because there is no guarantee it is going to be any better, considering the facts that your comments keep loosing credibility, makes less sense at each post,deviates the more from the topic, and clearly indicates that uv inferiority complex.

As per the pallestinians, they can never be justified for allowing their territory become a "lunch pad" for terror attacks against Israel, who we know has the right to defend itself as a nation. Its as simple as this, kick Hamas out, clamp down on terror groups, and there will be peace!
Iran & co. cannot match Israel's millitary might, However they are calling for its destruction. What if they have the millitary capability? To be fair on Israel, they deserve to be "uprooted".

I see someone looking for cheap attention here. Abeg carry your superiority complex go another place, slowpoke and make good your promise to ignore my threads as we already have a high number of morons trying to divert attention from the thread.

naijaking1:
You've shown yourself worse than some Brooklyn Jewish bigots.

Your sense of history, politics, and religion is so, so screwed up.

Are you new to this forum that you are surprised at davidylan's views on race, religion and politics. If you don't hate arabs, muslims, islam, palestine then you can never make sense to this student wasting other peoples money.

The only way you can make sense to him is support and worship US and Israel.

@topic,

Diversion has become the order of the day when issues concern the US or Israel here.

What experts and aides could not do in the White House due to many clearly avoidable blunders by the Bush administration we have some clueless people on Nairaland trying to do.

Trying to label every single thing that does not support any mistakes by the US as conspiracy theory is a very weak attempt but of course any intellectually challenged person will effortlessly take that route as it requires the minimum use of the brain to process information.

@naijaking1,

Don't even bother to argue with some of these people, go through information posted here by any one and make up your mind. The gang on the forum of course would oppose and attack anyone that does not share in their warped sense of reasoning.

@those using multiple IDs like Davidylan and TayoD,

Only criminals and fraudsters engage in using fake or multiple IDs and for the simple fact that you guys have shamelessly used multiple IDs on this forum I see you as mere criminals.

Only God knows how many other names you guys are using to support your positions on Nairaland.

@Kobojunkie,

Since the date you claimed that Britain originally owned the present day Israel and Palestine I have relegated your thoughts and positions to where they truly belong, the trash can. Enjoy and keep looking for lies to post.

@texazzpete,

Thanks for the lecture but they are not needed, I know where highly inconsistent people like you stand on issues.

Unfortunately, when the first shot or nuclear bomb is dropped in Iran by the US, people like you will just look stupid and you will avoid any discussions in that regard.

Please, don't think for me, don't even attempt to sway public opinion, all you need do is provide information and let the people make up their minds based on what they see.

Only idiots will resort to attacking personalities on issues they cannot discuss. I posted an article and close to half of your response was directed at the person Afam.

Like I stated only idiots and bastards would do that, silly.

From my inbox, very interesting article.

Read and enjoy!

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Air Force Refused To Fly Weapons to Middle East Theater –
By Wayne Madsen

WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources
that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced
Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead,
on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via
Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S.
intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the
ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission
was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force
and U.S. Intelligence Community.

Yesterday, the /Washington Post/ attempted to explain away
the fact that America's nuclear command and control system
broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it
was the result of "security failures at multiple levels."
It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown,
reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of
Defense and White House, was not the result of a command
and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of
a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air
Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S.
attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons.

The /Washington Post/ story on BENT SPEAR may have
actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush
administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable
source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles
was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the
nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT
SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY
QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE.

Just as this report was being prepared, /Newsweek/ reported
that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle
East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers
some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel
to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at
Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory
strike, the United States would have ample reasons to
launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for
Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli
attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear
installation in northern Syria.

WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear
and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with
Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear
facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad,
in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's
attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a
reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative
propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the
George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states --
Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained
Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack
on Iran.

WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the
Atlantic that there was a definite connection between
Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the
B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from
Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There
is also a connection between these two events as the
Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compart-
mented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an
attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time
that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack
scenario on Iran.

PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military
analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned news-
paper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves
over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig.
Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser,
Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence
officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a
joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that
involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between
three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem
and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff,
General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with
preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident.

Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes
ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by
the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the
Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installa-
tion." British intelligence sources have reported that the
Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally
designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the
U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six
cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel
went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help
ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and
Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.

The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a
media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran,
and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which
appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in
yesterdays /Washington Post/. The article, titled "The Saga
of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force
nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is
unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example,
Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief
of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the
"nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of
an incident "more disturbing."

Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear
weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the
U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-
cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military
chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons
in a pre-emptive war with Iran.

CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the
cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran
had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on
the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving
nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney,
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the
CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections
to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in
Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign
Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair
prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political
leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader
Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard
Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions
with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a prob-
ability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S.
plans for Iran were delayed.

Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear
incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel
leaked the story to /Military Times/ on September 5, the
day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear
installation in Syria and the day planned for the
simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified
information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement
to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force
regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE
reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure
of classified Air Force information to the media.

In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert
Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT
SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own
investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the
official investigation being conducted by Major General
Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the
Air Combat Command.

Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired
General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task
force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident.
The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been
delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO
of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-
funded research contractor that operates three research
centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology
Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another
for the National Security Agency. One of the board members
of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital
Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James
Woolsey.

WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the
State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy
to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President
Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the
Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built
with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is
puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery
intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite
when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater
capabilities.

The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against
media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also
affected international reporting of the recent Inter-
national Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking
Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA
controls, similar to those that the United States wants
imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also
called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East.
The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safe-
guards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member
IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2,
with 47 abstentions. The only two countries to vote
against were Israel and the United States. However, the
story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters,
the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it
was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution.

This was yet more perception management carried out by
CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and
Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among
the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China,
Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were
described as votes "against" the resolution even though an
abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure.
America's close allies, including Britain, France,
Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained.

Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the
resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll
call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site
-- www.iaea.org -- or in the media.

The perception management campaign by the neocon operation-
al cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was
designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on
Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear
weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear
scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to
Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey
trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team
in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since.

Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program
would focus on the country's own role in nuclear pro-
liferation, including its program to share nuclear weapons
technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the
late 1970s and 1980s. The role of Ronald Reagan's Director
of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in
Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-
1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of
the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from
November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for
the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and
Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 /New York Times/ article titled,
"3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who
wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the
three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their
ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility
from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same
argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis
of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush
administration and other governments.

There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence
relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21,
2004, New Zealand's /Dominion Post/ reported that three
Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand.
Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara
(aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand
police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was
expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence
identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New
Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third
Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev
Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea.

New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that
Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked
at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the head-
quarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning
Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign
tourists in Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia. New
Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea
to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from
leaving.

The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and
Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control
systems have every major capital around the world wondering
about the Bush administration's true intentions.

NOTE: WMR understands the risks to informed individuals in
reporting the events of August 29/30, to the present time,
that concern the discord within the U.S. Air Force, U.S.
intelligence agencies, and other military services. Any
source with relevant information and who wishes to contact
us anonymously may drop off sealed correspondence at or
send mail via the Postal Service to: Wayne Madsen, c/o The
Front Desk, National Press Club, 13th Floor, 529 14th St.,
NW, Washington, DC, 20045.

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chidichris:
afam,
i have told you many times before and i want to tell u again. please instead of posting topics you cannot defend, why not concentrate on chris uba who dehumanized anambra people. discuss adedibu who dehumanized and is stil dehumanizing oyo people.
i think such home made news will pay u off instead of foriegn news that will reduce u to non material.

I am happy with your post above, at least it is much better than you making any comment on the issue as you clearly have a very low level of reasoning.

You do well when you discuss people, stick to this style it really helps, slowpoke.

@TayoD abi na Tayo-D or the one wey you go forge tomorrow,

This is where we differ.

I never deny what I do, you always do.

You insult and turn back to cry wolf.

I insult when I reply in kind and no apologies for that.

Can you ever change to become someone who is bold enough to accept his responsibilities whether right or right? I don't think so.

This is what makes you bitter, you cannot change, you have gone far in life to change your dirty ways. The bitterness and sadness will remain with you forever. This is not a curse but a reality and it is evident when you post.

Enjoy the weekend!

@Kobojunkie,

Thanks for the information yesterday, I have been telling a lot of people what you stated yesterday and some just tell me no human being can make such a statement while others laugh till their eyes turn red.

I like this forum

THE PRESENT LANDS BEING OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL AND PALESTINE ORIGINALLY BELONGED TO BRITAIN AND BRITAIN SHARED IT THE WAY IT WANTED TO - Kobojunkie, Nairaland, 2007

Naija, I hail thee.

I now know better where development is very slow in Nigeria, we have Nigerians who claim to know when in reality they do not know. God dey.

Mariory:
Honestly, I-man and dav. have time for him. Look at all the nonsense the clueless boy has been sprewing. Even Afam and denex appear to be staying away. It will be interesting to see how many more googled websites belonging to 13 year olds he can post as evidence though.

In reality I had advised RichyBlack to ignore the likes of davidylan, I-man and TayoD ( the 3 confirmed people that use multiple identities on this forum).

@RichyBlack,

The only way you can make sense to these people is for you to get down to their level and reason like them, until you are ready to do so, sorry, no dice.

I am happy for this thread, at least I learnt something new yesterday from Kobojunkie when he categorically stated that THE LAND PRESENTLY BEING OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL AND PALESTINE ORIGINALLY BELONGED TO BRITAIN BEFORE BRITAIN DECIDED TO SHARE IT AMONGST THE TWO.

Who talk say forum no dey good to dey share knowledge?

And the boy is already dancing naked in the market square. Interesting times ahead.

RichyBlacK:
Apologies accepted.

I have 77 for you here http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

I'm also waiting for evidence that a single Israeli civilian has been killed by any of the much hyped-about rocket launches into Israel.

@RichyBlack,

You are definitely wasting your time if you think davidylan uses his head, he thinks with his left hand, empty, confused yet arrogant goat.

You may have to give him some time for him to finish with his education as he is currently in school wasting other people's money.

The link you posted tells a chilling story and the funny thing is that the website is not owned by a Palestinian but by an American otherwise they would have called this arab propaganda.

The boy davidylan is forever cursed so do not take him serious. He is ready to be wrong from now till next year and it won't affect him, lies and misinformation are second nature to him, he is utterly disgusting and intellectually bankrupt.

Gradually, faced with facts and evidence he is criminally shifting the argument to look like it is not the Israelis alone, who is changing the goal post, who benefits from the lies?

RichyBlack, leave this dog alone.

The chicken is coming home to roost on this issue.

When the rhetorics, abuses and insults are done with, reality will set in, posts and comments made by different people will be critically analyzed.

Believe me the statement by Kobojunkie that THE LAND BELONGED TO BRITAIN is enough to understand the mindset of someone that accused me of being biased on this issue.

Interesting times ahead.

Nothing is as steady as Truth. Facts don't change.

@Mariory,

You position is also welcome.

We are waiting for others who enjoy abusing others to make their positions known on the most fallacious statement in the world today.

Patience is indeed good otherwise how would one have made someone to categorically make the claim above?

Jehovah, I hail thee.

Kobojunkie:
Here is the deal, I am giving you what the information says and you are giving me what you have made it to say. It is like I said black and white, The land belonged to Britain and not to palestine, Britain divided the land up for both states but the palestinian side did not like it and that is what lead to where we are now cause they believe they are the rightful owners of it all. Isreal did not start the war after britain divided it up. Read History and the Paper I posted there. I am looking at the paper myself and I am wondering where in there you get your retorts from??

Thanks for answering the question.

At least I can now go out in the world and tell who ever cares to listen that the lands Israel and Palestine occupy today belonged to Britain.

This is the most important piece of information I have come across in ages.

@texazzpete,

You can even compare what happened in Aba to OBJ as a person, it's your own wahala.

Trying to compare apples to oranges when yo find yourself in a difficult situation is a strategy that stopped working some months ago.

Enjoy!

@Kobojunkie,

Kobojunkie:
uumm, @Afam, that post there does not say anything about the land BELONGING To the Palestinians, it was in the hands of the British who decided to give do as they did to it. It is the same as the British did to Nigeria, If the British had not handed land back to Nigeria, you and I would not have a country, why ?? cause it was in their hands and theirs to do whatever they wanted to with it. That is how it worked back then and it was then and only then could we declare independence.

I don't know if you see it but you are taking a seriously biased path on this in the way you analyse what is right there in black and white for all to read. I mean if I had posted from some book I WROTE, then that would have been some thing else but can you not see what is written there??



yes, I believe that is the document @Mariory , Please read it yourself to understand what really happened @Afam

From your posts I am sure I won't be wrong to say that the present day Israel and Palestine belonged to Britain, is that it?

By the way, please make do with the advice you are giving me as regards being biased. I have taken time to respond to your posts for the simple reason they are devoid of insults.

So, also look in the mirror, every other person cannot be biased and you unbiased.

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Kobojunkie:
INformation on Ashkenazi jews

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

I know Wiki is not always 100% in this case it comes really close.


This is my take on the whole Isreali-Palestinian issue @Afam , if you want to take sides, consider the two sides, The palestinians who in this are supposedly dehumanized have been known to cause issues and kill the other side themselves. so I do not see this as the palestinians being dehumanized in anyway. For years they set up a terrorist as leader to help lead them in their fight, You get my sympathy when, say you are being persecuted like those in Darfur are. But the minute you start to blow yourself up and throw bombs in and all, unprovoked?? You are no longer a victim. You are in for the ride, all the way, What I see going on down there is a war. both sides at at war and have been for so many decades. So To come in now and claim the palestinians are being dehumanized is to completely ignore all that the very palestinians have done themselves in retaliation or whatever you want to call it. Like I said earlier, the land RIGHTFULLY belongs to Isreal, cause the owner of the land at the time signed it over to Isreal. I mean if you want to say that is not true, then be willing to allow those who owned your land before you come back to claim it, with no complaint. Even at that, Isreal would still own the land cause it is recorded in History that it is.

1. Israel declared independence as a state while Palestine has been denied statehood hence PLO. As a state Palestine will be able to own regular army, negotiate with other states for arms and my their the whole dynamics will change. For now most of the arms are smuggled in by sympathizers.

2. Are you actually stating that the land belonged to Britain before it now gave part of it to Israel?

3. The content in bold makes nonsense of your position on the issue of the land. Or, do you know expect the people of Palestine to sit back and watch their lands being given to Israel by Britain?

Kobojunkie:
The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel, a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate for Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people".[8] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[9] The Arab League rejected the plan, but on May 14, 1948, Israel declared its independence,


LEAGUE OF NATIONS , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations
MANDATE OF PALESTINE , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine

I was not able to find a copy of the particular document that was signed online but I am sure it is out there somewhere in cyberspace, and can be obtained at some library

The content in bold above goes to show 2 clear things

1. The area that was divided into 2 was the land of Palestine by the British, I believe this is well documented and you produced it yourself.

2. Considering the fact that the intention of the powers that be at that time was to create a jewish state in Palestine it is natural for the arabs to object to the creation after all you don't share something that belongs to someone without taking into consideration his/her concerns.

My dear, some of the things I find amusing with Nigerians are - the person that will ask you to be objective will be subjective, the person that will accuse you of being sentimental will allow sentiments take the greater part of the person and the person that tells you that you are missing the point will be the one going off mark.

Do have a good weekend.

I will not be one of those that will try to help you organize your thoughts. A confused person is a confused person whether the person agrees or not.

Good luck.

In a country (Iraq) where Sunni, Shia etc are constantly being killed by one another including foreigners only a completely stupid person will want to make a point by singling out a particular group (Palestine) and using same as a reason to justify a position based on a warped sense of reasoning.

laudate:
Denex, why you dey find trouble now??!! Let them attribute whatever they like, to whatever they want! How else would we be able to seperate the morons from the intellectuals, ehn? Tell me!

For once in a long while I don't have any option than to agree with the post above.

It seems some people don't even have any shame kpakpa.

Abi ooo!!!

As they say

EDUCATION does not equal KNOWLEDGE

Kobojunkie:
@Afam, What facts where distorted. Please point out at least one and I will show you some information you may have missed in your researching of the situation. And on the last line you highlighted there in my post, Just a couple of days ago, it was reported that palestinians in Iraq were being tortured and killed by insurgents cause Saddam favoured them when he was still ruler of the country. You want to dispute that news? I say you take it up with the BBC for reporting it if you want to claim you know more about what is going on down there yourself. But I will wait for you to show what exactly you consider a waste of time based on what you have to say next.

Syria: An Urgent Appeal for Palestinians Fleeing Iraq
http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/9660

UN fears for Palestinians in Iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4842904.stm

Twice Displaced: The Plight of Palestinians in Iraq
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/01/22/twice-displaced-the-plight-of-palestinians-in-iraq/


Trying to have a civil conversation when you have a biased mind or a fixed mind set on an issue rarely leads anywhere productive. Maybe you should step out of the case and see it from a 360 wide angle. you might see that it is not all one-sided at all.

My mistake. However, is there a group of people in Iraq today that is spared in the carnage in that country?

When you talk about having a civil conversation without any biased mind you should understand that all parties must adhere to your advice as I do not see the relevance of your reference to the killing of Palestinians in Iraq when no group is safe from the killings in Iraq.

Again, my apologies for stating the facts were distorted especially the reference to Palestinians being killed in Iraq.

Purist:
I still find it difficult to understand why everything "northern" in Nigeria always has to be associated with Islam.

Several weeks back, a similar incidence occured in Benue state and some '%$&#@' already started associating it with Sharia, forgetting that Benue is predominantly a state of the adherents of Christianity.

When will all these religious and ethnic bigotry end?

With even educated people preaching and spreading hatred these days then only God knows when these people will stop hating and start living.

While I agree it is important that we stick to the topic I reserve the right to respond to comments in kind.

Of course your confused state of mind will only see comments made against your type and not the ones they make.

Focus on your education, it is for your own good.

denex:
Where are all our professors of Islamic violence. Why don't you guys explain the inference that Seun has drawn from your several postulations about the population ratio of muslims and its proportionality to relative peace.

They have disappeared, that is what they do when facts mess them up. Na today?

McKren:
Well if all you can do is rain abuses, I wish you luck as I am not interested in going into any war of words with you.

Even this tactic stopped working some months back, learn new ones abeg.

What makes it right for you use any words you fancy on people and makes it wrong for others to use similar words on you?

I don't believe in double standard and hypocrisy mind you.

McKren:
Since you don't know what makes you post shameful I will help you, and I will be honest and blunt

That statement trivialises the very issue that is destroying our Nation you claim to love. We have seen how times without numbered silly religous sentiments have lead to monumental destruction of lives and properties in the Muslim North. Comparing what obtains in the North to that which has happened in Aba is an insult to all the innocent lives lost as a result of this babarism in the North.

While what has happened in Aba is unacceptable and should be condemed, comparing it to what obtains in the North is shameful.

I made a resolution never to take part in any ethnic, tribal, or religous discussion on Nairaland but was so disappointed that such a comment will come from you all in your quest for political correctness.


I may not be coming back to this thread

The content in bold refers, who cares?

I am pissed off by people like you who resort to using useless phrases like political correctness when they goof and try to justify their wrong positions on issues.

I ask again, is there anything wrong in my post? Have I stated anything that is not factual?

That you find it difficult to face facts is entirely your headache not mine.

I am not on this forum to put down things you approve of, get that into your system, the earlier the better.

Trying to see everything through an ethnic prism is unfortunate but again you are free to do so.

Trying to bring in the killing of people in the north to an issue that clearly compared the harassing of ladies putting on trousers is a very weak attempt at diverting the issue. Such tactics stopped working a long time ago.

Madam Mariory,

When will you be kind enough to update your profile, or do you want to deceive everyone forever on your sex?

Do the right thing unless being dubious is a way of life for you.

Honesty pays.