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kaecy5:
i can see u r building vocabulary, here are your common words,

pig, idiot, cursed idiot, would not come low to your level.

well continue

Stop trying to sound intelligent and be yourself - be the fool and mumu that you are, it is more natural that way so that people dealing with you won't be confused.

kaecy5:
Afam sharraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppp, u that cannot produce one link, evidence, fact or dummy proof to support your argument, now u r trying to position your self as a saint

David provides us links facts and figures, U wat have u provided yet? nothing. still waiting for your unedited videos of the flotilla saga.

as usual i am waiting for your usual insult with British acclaimed English.

Did you notice I did not include your name on the list? That is because I consider you a pig. Now you know why consider taking otapiapia.

frosbel:
Lol. My goodness, what anger, what rage, what hate. You easily fit into these extremist sects with your mentality. No wonder you support Hamas, you grandparents must have been terrorists!


Olodo , 

No be anger, na so I dey take address mumu people like you.

Anyone trying to use facts to correct the usual lies and misinformation being spread by the likes of davidylan, tudor, frosbel and 4Play is wasting his/her time.

These guys are brain washed, confused, unintelligent, have low level of reasoning, lie a lot, have no shame and cursed from birth so there is no way of for them. In fact they are already doomed.

There was no $16B power project scam - FACT

At least the write up should be based on facts before any form of comparison can be made.

Quote from: davidylan on Yesterday at 08:45:21 PM

Someone posted this on a UK discussion board and i thought it was pertinent here too . . .

The trouble is that there three main posters, those that hate Israel with a passion, no matter what evidence you place before them their attitude is " I have made my mind up don't confuse me with facts. We all know who these people are because their names come up time and time again. The second type are those who are pro Israel like you and I who know what the real situation is. The third group are those who do not know what to believe, they might well see through the massive distortions and lies by Hamas/Turkey but still feel because so many people are against Israel there must be truth in numbers. I hope that these people, the third group, will realize sooner or later what the truth really is.

Group 1 - Afam, Beaf, cohomology, bomany, romeo4real e.t.c.

Group 2 - Frosbel, ElRazur, Pro01, Mariory, Bawomolo, dayokanu, Davidylan, Madlady

Group 3 - Sagamite

I hate every single killing of the innocent by Israel as much as I hate every single killing of the innocent by Hamas or any group or nation in the world.

This has always been my position and will remain so forever because this position is based on justice, fairness and equity.

Unlike the clown that was quoted above I don't believe in blanket condemnation or commendation.

Anyone that is uncomfortable with my position is free to take otapiapia.

Beaf:
Zim had to adopt unorthodox methods to pull their economy back. For years, Western underhand pressures had ensured that Zimbabwe could not trade internationally, running down and devaluing the local currency. Way out? Adopt the enemies currency and see if they will run themselves down. Neat stroke!

Excellent idea, abi make them devalue the enemies currencies?

Kobojunkie:
Why in the world is Mugabe the one getting PRAISED for the growth in the economy?

Because he is the one you guys have been blaming for the problem in the country.

4 Play:
Land reform must be done in a manner that benefits the average Zimbabwean and does not harm the economy. It may take longer, but there are sensible ways of doing it. Beating up Zimbabweans, [size=8pt]creating famine[/size] and driving millions of Zimbabweans into neighbouring countries is not a brilliant idea.

See olodo, so Mugabe is crating famine ehn kwa? The mumuness no get part 2.

4 Play:
Why is this idiot worried about America's debt whilst praising Mugabe's ''brilliant'' management of Zimbabwe's economy? Why haven't you migrated to Zimbabwe, I'm sure neither or any of your family is applying for Zimbabwe's visa.

Frustration seems to be setting in and I am liking it. Keep asking questions with obvious answers mumu like you.

Beaf:
^
If you contrast your entry above with that of pro01, your shortcommings will become obvious. I re-emphasise, sycophancy ain't my thing.

The guy na cursed idiot.

4 Play:
Rich coming from the same stark raving ignoramus that claimed that the US is indebted to the IMF/World Bank. It's verminous imbeciles like you that blight the continent of Africa with their moronic apologies for dictators like Mugabe and Abacha(who apparently is your hero) and a shocking lack of anything resembling sound judgement.

The funny thing about the internet is that any idiot can come up and claim to be an expert on any issue so go ahead with the nonsense you keep writing.

I can arrange otapiapia for you if you need any.

4 Play:
I have addressed this IMF red herring before but it's worth addressing again as a lot of ignorance pervades around this issue. The IMF will not, I repeat WILL NOT lend money to a country unless that country is in severe economic distress.

The IMF only lends money to countries who, due to their economic problems, are desperately short of money and can't obtain loans from the markets because either, lenders refuse to lend or lenders will only lend at exorbitant rates.

Zimbabwe only sought, remember that the IMF has to be invited by the debtor nation and cannot invite itself, IMF help due to its economic problems. The IMF cannot be blamed for plunging Zimbabwe into distress any more than you can blame the Fire Service for causing fires because you usually see the Fire Service at fire outbreaks. Get this into your blockheads.

Now, there are serious questions about whether IMF panacea - tax hikes, spending cuts, trade liberalisation and deregulation - for dealing with economic problems are effective. However, if a country did not mismanage its economy in the first place, it won't have to deal with the IMF anyway.

In Zimbabwe's case, long before Mugabe started land 'reforms', the country was in deep economic malaise in respect of which it sought IMF loans to alleviate the situation. When the land 'reforms' started, the IMF pulled the plug on its co-operation with Zimbabwe. Since the so called reforms, the economy has deteriorated at a cataclysmic pace contracting in 10 out of the past 11 years with hyper-inflation to boot, who remembers the ''billionaires''?

As for the World Bank, not much needs to be said other than that only the stupefyingly ignorant will blame an organisation which provides developing countries with no strings attached low cost loans as responsible for Africa's woes. Even China continued to seek World Bank loans even in circumstances where one could argue that they were rich enough to no longer qualify for it. 

The problems of Zimbabwe are mainly down to Mugabe's mis-management. It's a measure of how psychologically traumatised Africans are that we clutch desperately to an alternative reality of 'standing up to the West' spun by dictators such as Mugabe and Abacha(Afam's hero). It's the quintessential case of cutting your nose to spite your face. A policy that reduces a people to starvation and begging for food handouts from the West is hardly liberating. This irony never seems to affect the bone-headed Mugabe praise singers.

Only a confused idiot will post what you posted above and still not see the role of IMF and World bank in the Zimbabwe issue. If you cannot understand this then you are simply stupid.

Tudór:
This just proves what we knew all along. . . . You are an EMPTY BARREL that is both illiterate and pitifully ignorant!

Is this the pitiful excuse that you can come up with to blame the IMF for zimbabwe's woes?

The US is one of the biggest contributors to the IMF and World bank! Maybe you should read up on US finance and economy the you can claim to know. Idiot.

The fool doesnt know the US sells treasury bills/securities to investors/foreign governments and co. . . He thinks they go a begging from IMF. . .see how daft you are?

Your ignorance WILL be EXPOSED TODAY! Pls keep debating talking and embarassing yourself.

Stick to the debts if you can or go to hell if you can't.

MyJoe:
The US does have huge debts, but I am not aware that such debts are owed to the IMF and World Bank. The IMF did not freeze Zim's money. They merely refused to reschedule the country's debt when it was up for payment and refused further lending. It was their money and legally speaking they had the right to do what they did. But objectively speaking, I see what they did as wrong not least because they let Argentina to reschedule its debt when it had similar problems. Not that this makes them the author of Zimbabwe's problems.
I did not say highlighted. I wrote this earlier:I basically disagree that there is much to applaud. I also happen to believe that Mugabe created the problems in the first place. That's why I mentioned NEPA. Read this:

I am very blunt so would not be playing with words here. To claim that IMF and World bank does not have a hand in the economic situation of Zimbabwe is to argue against a fact. The level of involvement could be debatable but certainly not whether they contributed to the economic problem or not.

That the US is indebted to the tune of over 10 trillion dollars as at 4 or 5 years is not in doubt. I wonder when they intend to pay this money if at all it will ever be repaid even though introducing any diversions at this point would be meaningless as I have emphasized my position which cannot be faulted based on the facts available.

So, if you agree that the IMF and the World bank contributed to the economic problem of Zimbabwe then you can go ahead and ask your questions which I will gladly respond to. Without any basic agreement on basic issues we will only succeed in wasting our times.

MyJoe:
Has nothing to do with?

This what you said AfamAnd in reply I made it clear that while I do not like the IMF, it is convenient to blame them for Zimbabwe without proving it.

The truth is that the IMF[b] has something to do with[/b] every country's economy, particularly in the third world. Its policies have failed in many places, particularly Africa, but unfortunately, the IMF continues to implement them. But let's not forget the fact, if we are honest, that the same policies have worked in some places outside Africa.

Now to Zimbabwe, I am aware of how badly the IMF treated Zimbabwe in 2001 when the country defaulted on its debt - that, of course, is my subjective assessment, an opinion, of what happened. I do not the energy to lay all the facts here right now. Suffice to say that I do not like the IMF and the way it has conducted itself in Africa, and that includes Zimbabwe. But the idea that they are responsible for what befell Zimbabwe or that they conspired to ruin the country, is untrue.  I have already stated my disgust for the old land situation in Zimbabwe - what is wrong is the manner Mugabe carried out his redistribution. Tudor already described it well. It was Mugabe's policies that brought down Zimbabwe. I refuse to be deceived by Mugabe's antics. Did someone say Idi Amin used the same tactics? They all do.

Even as developed as the US is today it is indebted to the tune of trillions of dollars. This simply means that the US today cannot even afford to pay its debts. This also means that even the US is being sustained by credit lines being granted it by the likes of World bank and IMF. Now, when a nation as developed as the US depends on these credit lines and loans to survive how do you think a country like Zimbabwe would fair when the IMF and co chose to freeze or with hold what the country had access to before?

All these back and forth started from your claim that the IMF and the World bank had nothing to do with the economic problem in Zimbabwe and that was the basis for my position that debating anything with you would amount to a huge waste of time if such a position should be allowed to stand.

I never stated that only IMF crippled the economy of Zimbabwe, I merely highlighted and applauded the people of Zimbabwe and the president for growing the economy in spite of what the IMF and the World bank did to the country.

MyJoe:
While the assertion above is generally correct, opinions can be based on facts. The ones you refer to indeed are. You have been the enemy of facts as this thread goes. That you know.
So you ask for "concrete statements" from me, Mr Afam? Anyway, I think you just want more material to seize on and say bland things like, "I hope this is a mistake." Or perhaps you think I should answer your pal who butted in with foul language. You, Mr Afam, can begin by substantiating your claims.

Yes, I ask for concrete statements because we need them before you can talk of any form of debates.

You stated that the IMF and World bank have nothing to do with the economic situation in Zimbabwe and I maintained that anyone with this position does not warrant any responses from me because even the West that is pushing the IMF and World bank to do what they are doing have never denied their actions as they feel they are justified in supporting such measures.

So, for you to start off with the position means that whatever we are discussion is based on a faulty foundation and as such I don't waste my time on such debates.

MyJoe:
Your stock-in-trade. Throw words around and spew bile when asked to substantiate them. "Those who don't respect facts or logic." "Those who don't have integrity." Accurate descriptions of you, Afam. It is your thought process that is deeply flawed. Who introduced the word, "exact"? Anyway, someone else with soon butt in here with something for you to seize on and say, "Thank you, this is why I refuse to answer him." Just tarry. . .

The good thing is that your opinion is not a fact and cannot decide the correctness or otherwise of what you think. Can you get back to the topic now? With concrete statements.

MyJoe:
So you checked and failed to find the "exact comments" you accused me of, but I am guilty all the same . Now you must see my point about finding a link between things you say and substance. Anyway, I think your quip about negotiating applies better to you.

Don't bring your stupidity in the open. I checked to find exact comments? See how stupid your thought process is? Did anyone accuse you of making the exact comments you are talking about? I am sick of dealing with people who don't have integrity so you must learn to understand why I respond to you the way I do because there is simply no other option.

frosbel:
You, a layabout unproductive business person, calling me a hardworking professional a thief, lol.

Never knew that scam artistes were professionals. Damn!

frosbel:
Olodo, you are still replying ? lol. 

I bet your poor wife cannot get a word in when you start rambling your machine gun mouth !

Seems your scam emails are not bringing in any mugus this time so the frustration is killing, abi? Without crimes and scams I wonder what would have become of common thieves like you.

Kgdavid:
pitiable case really. someone deliberately called netanyahu's brother a mercenary in order to avoid placing a spot light on the palestinian terrorist activity of that day. i simply made the correction to avoid misinformation. as for stating that i used google to find informaiton you are most idiotic for making such a comment. first and foremost i did not have to refer to google for information as this is a well known incident and secondly in this day and age where information is easily accessible on the internet is it a crime to use google to investigate? being the fool u r, u probably thought your silly comments there made you look wise huh? idiot

Without any doubt in my mind the comment I made about you rushing to google really pained you. Damn! This is what happens when people are correctly labeled or accused.

MyJoe:
Can you highlight any indecent comments of mine? That will justify your charge of hypocrisy. Of course, not! You just throw words around and when asked to substantiate them, say, "I hope this is a mistake." "There has to be agreements before people can debate," and so on.
If you read my back posts you will not see any insults or telling people to go break their heads. Not ONE. Usually when people take that route, I just leave them. That was why I wrote earlier that I replied your Downing Street comment only because I took you rather seriously in the past.

You don't have to make the exact comments I made for you to be guilty of what I accused you of. When you leave your home in the morning, you must learn to negotiate your way as you encounter people outside.

@the other idiot called tudor,

I am happy that the frustration is eating you up. When you settle for otapiapia don't forget to inform me so I will drink a cold bottle of fanta.

MyJoe:
You know, there was a time I thought you had more than a sliver of decency and a semblance of substance, an honest mistake that led me to engage you. Look at the uncouth statement you just sank your teeth into, desperately jumping at anything anyone says,
“This is why I refused to debate him.”
“This is why I refused to talk with him.”
“Tell him.”
And then gleefully telling people to break their heads. . .

The problem we have is that we are mere hypocrites. You think you can make all sorts of comments about people and when they make comments about you then you begin to talk about decency.

Maybe you are used to debating with people who tolerate your silly comments while you assume everything is ok. As for me I choose who to debate with as I do not have all the time in the world to engage people on issues that ought to be clear as that would amount to complete waste of time, sorry.

Tudór:
yea right. . .we're supposed to believe this crap because you said so, right? I laugh.

Dont die in that queue oo.

That's good, for once you are doing something reasonable - laughing at your stupidity.

You are sounding like a frustrated Nigerian doing one menial job abroad or involved in criminal activities for survival. Kpele.

kaecy5:
allow me to correct your english like u regularly do to others

this statement does not make sense what exactly r u trying to say r there some words or conjunctions missing

are u refering to the word Ignorant ? since u cannot belittle urself to come down to my level, kindly uplift me to your intellectual level of greatness and gamut of internet adventure.

My mistake, I was referring to the word ignorant.

Uplift you? I would rather you remained where you are forever. No need, you are doing real good the way you are.

frosbel:
You are the one that is staying up late in the Internet cafe ,sending 419 emails to your numerous victims.

Internet cafe? I doubt if you would be bold enough to state what you do for a living including your real names and contact details. At least mine are out there for the world to see because I am genuine unlike scam artistes and criminals like you.

frosbel:
Sorry you have lost me, why drag Palestinians into everyhting Hamas. Do you see Hamas as a valid representation of the Palestinians.

No, a valid representation of Palestinians is your village head since Hamas that won a landslide victory does not qualify because the US and Israel said so and of course your brain is inactive so you can't use it.

You are one shameless liar that is both ignorant and disgusting without any respect for facts.

frosbel:
Afam on the other hand expresses his points with insults from start to finish.

This is true when the person involved is a clown and not deserving of any meaningful debate. You cannot make a dog reason like a human being and I am not a dog trainer so cannot bother debating with you. Hope this will help you understand why I address you the way I do.

AIRDIG:
Muslim?!   How about calling me Trado-Chrislamherb-Jew! Try that, maybe.

I guess Arch-Bishop Desmond Tutu & my beautiful Mandela are muslims too.
How about the Ireland & the south Africa that condemn the racist apartheid for what it is. Wait, let me guess "they are Muslim" your logic is suspect, even more deficient.

FYI, that is objectivity, justice and unbias.

When you are done calling me "Muslim" (because, I chose to condemn the atrocities of an aggressor in this instance, which I will equally do to the other side if the table were turned), I bet you will call me a "Christian" if & when I speak up in support of the right of the Coptic in Egypt.

To some of these criminals once you oppose murder and injustice you become a muslim or an arab. That is how warped their thinking is.

kaecy5:
Afam, like i mentioned earlier you are going to respond insulting me and calling me names, i am not moved by that.  i also appreciate the fact that u think that your intellectual capacity is of space age and not of stone age. i agree u would rather faint than come to my level of ignorance to explain urself in arguments.

the purpose of this forum is to debate intellectually intelligently and purposefully. i may not agree with BEAF position on his views but he always comes with fact and figures and rarely insult. but u mr intelligent FOOL u get personal when u are questioned further to explain your stupidity. 

even a fool is considered wise when he is silent, i think u should better keep quiet and stop showing to the world how intellectually dumb and empty u really are.

for your own good stop sounding like a British overfeed Peacock.

I don't debate with idiots who cannot appreciate basic facts and it is not my job to refute any nonsense you put down. I prefer seeing you show that you are ignorant about certain things rather than correcting some of the wrong positions you have.

frosbel:
Afam , again and again you expose yourself for what you are. IGNORAMUS Number 1.

A beer parlour activist who does not dwell on facts but hearsay and trickled down 4th party information.

Your ignorance is so deep and intense, spare yourself further embarrassment and go to the local issues section.

Thank God for internet, finally any scam artiste can use the forum and type anything.

Tudór:
pls tell them. . .to these fools, anything and I mean ANYTHING including mass murder is excusable for an African leader as long as he hates america.

You will be suprised to see its hateful people like Afam who queue up at cyber cafes waiting to play American visa lottery.

Waiting to play American visa lottery? See where your mind goes to, shows what is important to you. Let's say I get whatever I want in this world so relax about thinking rubbish as I don't have to cut corners, cheat or lie to get anything in life. Hope this fact will make you hit your head against the wall until you pass out.

Sagamite:
I should list for you all the times Isreal blah blah blah.

You must be high on some serious shite.

You think I have nothing better to do with my time.

Why don't you go and do some research on the actions Isreal has had to take to protect its citizens life and then come here and right an essay on how all is terrorism. I will then assess your essay.

I guess pidgin english would help here instead of this.

frosbel:
Support a position that you cannot confirm because you are just too lazy to do your own research.

Why bother argue, you know nothing of the facts, cannot verify or disprove them.

Your only expertise is in throwing insults.

Stop throwing around words you don't understand. I never initiate insults but always respond to them in kind when idiots like you bring them to the table whenever they cannot defend their positions with facts, logic or even common sense.

igboitalo:
my brother God bless you for us to move forward in africa we need leaders that are not controlled by western powers, africa need leaders that fight for the interest of africa. they west gave mugabe awards, they rolled out the red carpet when he visited ,they called him an example of a good african leader for more than 20 yrs because he was following orders from them and screwing over his people. when he stoped following thier orders suddenly they now know his a dictator, abeg make i hear word

The problem is that some people here are incapable of any form of independent thinking instead they repeat any lie or propaganda they hear from US, UK or even Australia. Real shame I tell you.

mahogany28:
p.s. i know this would take just roughly 10 to 15 mins doing in total if u really know your stuff.thnx

That's wonderful to know. Knowing what to do is the main thing and not how long it takes otherwise you should have learned how to do it and save yourself the stress of finding and paying someone else to do this.