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Panther7:
That doesn't explain anything it only explains the method of acquisition. Which still translates to hostile takeover.

Allow that one to be misyarning.

Abramovic bought a debt ridden Chelshit and cleared their 100m debt within a couple of years.

Malcolm Glazer bought a debt free United and loaded the club with 600m debt.......but the Glazers are trying.

We should not be paying off any debt . The only reason the club has any debt to pay off is because the Glazers bought the club.

eph12:
Hopefully one day we will be that team that punishes others for not taking their chances and not the other way round.

Afrodoc2 won't playing Greenwood on the RW affect him? Looks like he's not really cut for that position

If it continues for too long it might. This season what he need most was senior minutes anyhow anyhow cos under 18 and under-23 were too easy for him.
Also he was not ready physically (at least pre-lockdown) to be battling with those huge CBs. Next season i expect him to start getting more minutes at CF where he can inflict maximum damage.

MRTA7:
My point is, you cannot absolve the Glazers of blame because "They have spent money". There is a lot of blame to be passed around to explain why United are where they are right now.

The ownership shows we are just a club serving profits for the owners. They are pretty much doing the minimum required to keep the club's strong brand and cash flowing to keep the profits coming.

The ownership is the reason we have Ed, someone who knows nothing about football to be in charge of one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Ed has done well on the Business side of the club but the football side he should have no hand in. A lot of our operations shows amateur hour. We simply do not know how to operate like big club anymore and havent since SAF. Even SAF was propping the club up with his work despite having his hand tied behind his back. Maybe he knew he had to accept the Glazers because he's a major reason they were able to buy the club. so he also has a hand in this current state.

This is before we even get to the football side which is a whole other conversation but a lot of these issues can be traced back to the owners.

100% co-sign.

eph12:
So let's say if the Glazers were to spend their own money too, we probably may have spent around 1b in the last 5 years right?

Maybe we would have Neymar and/or Mbappe OR been able to get Ororo back. Anyway the Glazers crippled the club long ago.

Then if we go into the details of how the money was spent or misspent, they are the ones who have allowed a finance man who knows nothing about football to be in charge of our transfers.

elrony:
Holy cheet!!!

You mean unholy cheet. That is why when i hear people saying the Glazers have tried i just laugh in Mandarin.

Panther7:
Afrodoc, Do you think part of the reasons Ferguson resigned was because he knew the Glazers couldn't keep up with the spending like City did?

Age, poor health and fatigue had set in. He just couldn't summon that drive and passion like before. Remember he planned on retiring earlier but changed his mind. He just wanted one last title for the road.
Also he had been coaching at a high level continuously for almost 40 yrs.

eph12:
They used the assets of the club to secure the loan? This sounds like some gangster shit. They already owned the club or how were they able to use the club assets to secure the loan used in buying the club?

They didn't own the club. Fans were planning to revolt when this happened in 04/05, and a few fans actually revolted. Manchester United had NO DEBT before the Glazers bought the club.

They loaded the club with the debt of the loans they had used to buy the club. The banks agreed because everybody knew that United would continue making money and pay back the loans with interest.

eph12:
Lol I know that. In as much as they have all these things going on and are running the club down, we can't accuse them of not spending money, at least in the last 5 years. I'll like to get your view on this

They are spending enough of the money made by the club to keep the club competitive enough to keep on making money.

They have not spent any of their own money. The club they own was bought via loans to be paid back by the club.

Other clubs owned by billionaires get extra money from their owners for transfers, our own billionaires use the money the club generates to pay off debt they caused in the first place, then pay themselves huge allowances before thinking of buying players.

They know if they stop spending completely the club will run down fast and stop making money. There is a reason during Fergie's time the club was selling Ronaldo for world record fee and replacing him with Valencia and co. When he left they tried to continue the same policy with piece meal Fellaini signing until reality struck.

Let's not make the Glazers up to be some kindly and generous benefactors. They are leeches who played a major role in all that has happened post Fergie.

Panther7:
Exactly!! They borrowed money to even buy United, it is regard as the most hostile takeover of any Football club till date.

Not just that they borrowed money to buy the club. They secured the loans against the club's assets thereby incurring large interests which the club then had to (and continue to) pay.
Also, every year they award themselves millions of pounds as consultancy fees, then pay off some of the debt before using some of the money made by the club to pay for player purchase and salaries.

If you analyse this scenario they have not spent their personal money at all. Compare this with City, PSG e.t.c where the authentic billionaire owners augment club finances with their money in order to finance huge transfers.

MRTA7:
Technically that's not true at all.

Yeah. I don't think he knows the details of the Glazer ownership compared to what takes place at City, PSG, or even Real Madrid.

eph12:
They own the club, it's their money

It is not that simple. The Glazers are leeches and have been taking money out of the club for years. Do you remember the details of their takeover and why we keep paying off debt every year?

Taguchi:
Teenager erlin fvcking haland has more UCL open play goals in the group stage alone in one fvcking season for fvcking Salzburg in backwater Austria than Eden hazard has his whole life

I mean doc, you can't make this shit up

IT is a phucking disgrace!!!

Hazard punked his fans. It is what it is.

Taguchi:
Can't argue about Boateng the man can be unstable atimes but he has been mostly solid throughout this UCL campaign

But regarding Neymar, there is no way to spin it misses or not

Without his masterclass against Dortmund and Atalanta, di maria won't be featuring in the semis in the first

This season alone, Neymar has already outdone Eden's entire performance in Europe even if he loses the UCL

That's TOUGH.

odizeey:
Okay okay. I grab.

Up Manchester United.

Na so o!

United for life.

odizeey:
I don't totally agree. You were implying that serie A is washed. But I'm saying it's not as washed as you make it to look like.

I said it is lower quality and slower paced compared to EPL. I didn’t imply that it is washed, only that it is not at the level of the EPL.

odizeey:
Serie A has its own uniqueness. That it's not fast paced doesn't mean it's lower. For me I'll say EPL is better but the difference in quality no much.

So you mean you agree with me?
Why the epistle then? LMAO

odizeey:
Serie A is a poor league, La Liga poor league, bundesliga poor league, ligue one, but those guys will disgrace EPL teams. Funny.

My point is still bring the best out of your players. Martial for all his skills should be a better goal scorer. Greenwood should be hanging goals next season with his abilities. Rashford can do better. We have the guys to win at least a spoon.

Don’t confuse yourself. I didn’t mention La Liga or Bundesliga.
If you guys think the general quality in Serie A is up to EPL na una sabi.

Leyqute:
Herrera will certainly return to the bench in the final.

No o. Herrera must start that final.

They want us to swap Bruno for Herrera because one made a final and the other did not.

odizeey:
No one is saying get them back. I'm only saying we always shine light on the weakness of our players while if used properly to their strength we will enjoy them.
Every player has a weakness and a strength.
Amazing that we were yabbing was one of the best, if not best, defender for Roma. They played him to his strength. I won't be surprised if Jones goes out and does well.

Serie A is slower and poorer quality. Even Sanchez is scoring more there.

Smalling is a decent defender but very poor on the ball and that becomes a problem in a fast paced league.

Also think of this. Good teams like PSG, Bayern can have loads of really good players with a few average players in the mix, BUT our team had loads of average players with a few good players in the mix.
THAT IS OUR PROBLEM.

Each of these players on his own might not be too bad but when you gather them together in one team the problems start to show.
For example, if you play James with Pogba and Bruno he might not perform that poorly compared to if you play him the next week with Pereira and Lingard.

odizeey:
At least he is not useless. He could be called on to play a semi final. It was here some people said he's not even second choice

Hmmm i was probably Herrera’s harshest critic here and even i accepted that he could be a useful squad player but not a first team player.

He is not useless but his fans here overrated him saying he was better than Kante when Gueye at Everton and Ndidi at Leicester were better.

Nezzjnr:
We really don't know what we want

If Jones was in the psg team...Ole would have been lambasted for selling him to psg

It is what it is.

Nezzjnr:
We should get Young... Sanchez and Herrera back since they're both in the Finals

It'll bring about development to the team

Ole was stupid to have sold them.... I still don't know why Greenwood replaced Sanchez

Has Greenwood ever been to the Finals??

The Coach needs to go

LOL. The kind shortsighted talk person dey read for here.

Aguero, Christiano Ronaldo, Messi and Aubameyang are not in the final but Maxim Choupo-Moting is in the final. He must be better than them and Barca should swap Messi for Sarabia who is also in the final.

What a higi haga.

Since it is just about getting to the final even if it is as carry along i wonder how many of you will want Young and Sanchez back. At least they are also going to play a final.
It’s not only Lukaku and Herrera nah.

It makes no sense to imply that just because one team got to a final all its players are quality or better than players in other teams.

Messi, Ronaldo, Salah, Mane, KDB are not playing any major finals. Lukaku and Perisic are not better than them.

odizeey:
shebi them talk say them dey bench Herrera, say him no dey see shirt.

Verrati has been struggling with injury over the last 2 weeks.
If he is fit before the final Herrera might return to the bench.

eph12:
Ehn let's first agree that it was wonderful. Abi it wasn't?


Well it's not about defending AWB. His flaws are out there, we know that. So does every other player that his non fans refuses to criticize na

There's still more to come from AWB with the right guidance. I'm sure you insist this is his ceiling, I'm not seeing it. Maybe I'll see it later when the attackers are doing their jobs, but for now, I no see am

I hope it is not his ceiling cos he has shortcomings even defensively that he needs to work on.

When he has his man in front of him in 1 v 1 battle he is imperious but he does not have great positioning or awareness and he is not good in the air for his height.

In terms of his ability going forward, he doesn't need the attackers to help him control and move the ball better than atilogwu dancer. I watched his clips from Crystal Palace and predicted he would be a liability in attack. If he continues like this next season the fans will turn on him (and they might be back in the stadium to show it).
There is more to being a modern full back than making sliding tackles.

P.S And the cross was okay. Calling it "wonderful" is a bit hyperbolic.

eph12:
Lmao have you forgotten ni?

It’s just the way his fans always go back to that cross to defend his attacking qualities that always trips me.

eph12:
1. We shouldn't complain about crosses again since that's the coach style of play. We shouldn't berate AWB, Williams, Shaw for lack of cross

2. We haven't seen enough to make a real judgment yet. At least, not this season. In fact AWB assisted Martial at the bridge via a wonderful cross

3. A one time cross into the box before the defenders regroup can afford our attackers some space to do damage. And if it's low cross, we should have an attacker arriving at the near post in front of the defenders, not behind them

Wonderful cross abi? With his atilogwu dance steps.

Hazardinhos won't like this. Neymar on his way to the Champion's League final yet again, Hazard on his way to McDonald's..........yet again.

Oasis007:
Doc..... I know Sancho gonna be a solid Addition, but Dortmund need to consider Covid-19 Situation. He's worth more, if there is no Covid-19 ish. Clubs are losing big, only few Clubs can afford Players above €55m presently.

They should accept United Offer of €70m upfront or keep their Player.

Na that 55m I Dey query.
Osimhen went for 70m in COVID season and Ake a defender went for 45m.

Oasis007:
Sancho's deal is unlikely to happen, except Dortmund blink first. Ed ain't gonna pay their demand. It's either they accept what United offer, or we move.

I won't blame the Board if the Deal fails to happen. United is being taken for granted by most Clubs in Europe. If it's another Club that bid for Sancho, Dortmund would have accepted €55m max.

United Board must be prudent with Transfers, but that doesn't mean they should be magwaya'd season after season. I want us to get Sancho, but no more at all costs.

Those lazy Scouts should work for their Earnings or get booted. Talented Players are out there, raw Talents that need only little refining to become Diamonds.

€55m ke?

weedtaker:
Barca fit come collect Sancho o, them no de reason transfer fee... they can pay anything.

Come to think of it, they really need a LW and Sancho sabi play that position.

Barca is broke for now and are looking to offload rather than make another major splash. If Sancho remains at Dortmund for another season and continues to play well the clubs that would be after him are Chelshit, Man City, Liverpool, PSG, Real.

odizeey:
I'm not even talking about management success. I'm talking about how the view success. They won the league last time but sacked valverde. They've signed koeman now.

You always see their quick response to situation and their quest to be at the top.

You have a point there but remember that the Barca model is different.

Their presidents are elected by the official fans of the club so if you don’t perform well and satisfy the fans’ need for beautiful and winning football you might lose your job.

Man Utd fans however have no say over whether Woodward stays or leaves. As long as he is making money for the Glazers he is safe. The quality of football and the level of success on the field is secondary.