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GloryIsaac:
Honestly Doc, I don't value YouTube compilations again, even Herrera would probably have an amazing compilation dedicated to him

But Andreas might just lock down the right wing this season if he starts the league well.

This is not a compilation, but highlights of his touches from our last match. Pereira WILL NEVER be the solution to the right wing, he is a central midfielder.
He is technically superior to Herrera and much tidier with his control and passing, but that is not surprising.

Demi Mitchell highlights. Unfortunately yet another left sided attacking player. His football education has been a bit unstructured, left winger in youth team, occasional auxillary striker in reserves, left wing back on loan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDD9FUTpKJA

Andreas Perreira highlights. I think it is time he takes Herrera's place as a squad player.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFQz875yI9U

Tahith Chong debut highlights



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXwf9MtKdtQ

But diadem why would you expect a 16-17 yr old player to remain the same and not improve?

The young 20something year old players that were better than Messi in 2004 were far behind him by 2006. It is a law of nature, the young shall grow.

The fact that Mbappe has overtaken Lemar comes as a surprise to no one in this universe apart from you, so all this epistle you have been typing is unnecessary walahi.

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Lana1:


Coefficients over UCL!!

It is the German way LOL

Meanwhile to complete the videos, highlights of Mason Greenwood. I believe Gomes, Chong, and Greenwood are the 3 most highly rated youngsters in the club right now.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4RroA-Bdug

Nihilstjnr:
This one has more potential to me.

Good close control, and can thread accurate passes through narrow spaces.

Extra points for not having ridiculous haircut

Angel Gomes is the more polished player at this time no doubt, but that lack of size in the EPL worries me. If they were both going to La Liga Gomes would be the obvious choice cos of his superior technique and vision but Tahith Chong might be able to cope with the physicality of the EPL better.

Lana1:
Coefficients.

Germany doing well

UEFA has stopped using coefficients so i predict German clubs will struggle this season. If only UEFA brought back coefficients you will see German clubs dominating, because they value coefficients more than titles. Seriously.

ChristineC:
which of these guys do you think will make it to the first team?

Angel Gomes is the most higly rated and the darling of the Old Trafford hierarchy. He has pace, dribbling, passing, vision, decision making but his lack of size worries me. Having said that the fact that his family is Portuguese might mean JM gives him enough opportunity.

Tahith probably has more potential because of his bigger size and greater straight line speed. His decision making, passing and vision are not at the level of Gomes and he needs to improve but he is still young. If he improves on that he is a potential world class wing forward.

The path to the first team is more open to Tahith cos of the RWF situation, compared to Angel who seems more comfortable playing 10 or LWF.

Angel Gomes highlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv784LNWefE

Tahith Chong highlights from last season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM

raumdeuter:
Well from 1999/2000 England was presenting 3 clubs and by 2002 England had 4 reps. That was the time Owen was 23.

Owen played in Liverpool, Newcastle Madrid Man Utd and had 11 career CL goals

I don’t understand why you are digressing.
The debate is about their TEENAGE years. What they did after 20 is not included in this. And that is why I said Igwe’s name should be expunged from the list, dude lit up only after he hit 20.

In all likelihood Mbappe will have a better career, heck the 19 yr old Owen was better than the 24yr old Owen.

raumdeuter:
Only that despite the lack of shakushaku, we still didnt see 10CL goals and 4 world cup goals from him before 20, Its like Elber saying the difference between him and Ronaldo Lima is shakushaku, when you still cannot score like Ronaldo
I dont even think Owen is faster than Mbappe

Ronaldo is definitely out on his own and Mbappe is definitely out of Owens league

How would he score 10 UCL goals when in that era of only champion or top 2 making champs league Liverpool never played in the champions league.

It is like you arguing that Amokachi is better than George Weah because he has World Cup goals, Liberia dey go World Cup?

P.S I am actually leaning towards Mbappe but difference is marginal.

The guy above all others is Da Lima.
All others are counterfeit.

So many wrong submissions from almost every single side.

If Mbappe is better than Owen as a teenager the difference is marginal. Owen was a better finisher and had more speed IMO but Mbappe has better passing,dribbling and creative ability but Owen’s supporters will say he didn’t have time for shakushaku.

The best teenager in modern football was hands down the Brazilian Ronaldo.

And please you people should stop mentioning Henry. As a teenager Henry was still a raw kick n follow winger, he has no business in this debate.

Ibime:
A lot of niggas lived off Xavi

Lol, like Iniesta abi.

I can’t argue this one with you. Xavi passes the eye test with distinction and his passing stats are out of this world. Numero uno CM for sure.

Striker completed full World Cup schedule without having a short on target.
When it is not mannequin challenge

The guy broke Guivarch’s record in terms of uselessness.

neezar:
Lmao

Giggs is better than all their legends

How many of them can manage a national team side

How many of them can own a club like the class of 92

See them famzing Deschamps whose career was in its final death throes when he joined them for 1 season. What should Marseille and Juve say?
The less said about Jokanovic and the other mediocre players and their equally mediocre achievements the better.

neezar:
Which of ur player don win ballon d or

Imagine

Make we leave wetin d players win while playing for the club and go dey chase wetin dem win as coaches for their countries and OTHER CLUBS, dey chase wetin their wives, concubines and oloshos also win.
Classic Shekpe logic at its comedic best.

But Kante vs Busquet should no longer be an argument.
Busquet is yestesday’s man and has been found out post-Xavi. In a non-possession team he is as useful as a waterproof teabag.

[quote author=Leyqute post=69449255][/quote]Hehehe
See as cuntois open leg, latan like the biblical loose woman

diggz:
Dockie why are you stressing? You do realize your accusations run both ways right? How come you failed to show up when your kids were bragging stuffs too ?

I dont think you are in a position to set the rules about what anyone chooses to brag about here.... not especially when you kept mute when it favoured you and your fellow scummies...

Anyways..if you have decided to deny us from borrowing our ex-player success as a succesful coach who won the world cup..... I hope you will at least allow us pose in peace with what di matteo did with cfc?

Haba i am not setting rules nah, just voicing my opinion.

Di Matteo did well no doubt, but the main thing is that he did it FOR CHELSEA not as an ex-Chelsea player managing Poland or Argentina e.t.c.
What he did was special for CFC and well worth celebrating, so kudos to him and all Chelsea fans (including even the incorrigible shekpites) for that. But all that Deschamps talk na eleran talk.

diggz:
But you don't have any ex player who won the ucl and world cup as a coach do you?

Why what an ex-player goes on to do with his life would concern me is what i don't get. I support Manchester United and its players, i have no affiliation whatsoever to those players personally.

Imagine claiming the promotion of championship teams to EPL, or the world cup victories of COUNTRIES for your club cos a couple of their players play for your club?
Which kind tenuous link una wan dey use attachee to success. Oya, Johan Cruyff who is the father of an ex-United player Jordi was named European player of the century....can you beat that? LOL
I am happy France won cos i support France, not cos of Pogba. France won the world cup, not Man Utd and not Chelsea.

People borrow pose like this when they have nothing of their own to pose with. Show us the Chelsea Ballon d'Or winners or even Golden Ball winners and then we can talk.

diggz:
Just see the way afrodoc2 decided to announce is original age? Because of cfc players who retired and went ahead to win significant trophies as coaches my able doctor decided to humble us all by declaring he is the actual methuselah of our time.....


sho mo age doctor ni?

Lol. i sure say we be age mate but you dey use football age like Philip Osondu
Is it because it is a football thread? hehehe

For here you, me, FBS, Dayo, our honourable Edo banker, Funlord go likely dey among those wey senior pass. And that no be shame unless you are not successful in life and your younger brother dey feed you. lol
And that na why i no like to dey argue with this indomie generation people that need google and wikipedia if you mention Bruno Labbadia, Michel, Lentini or Signori.

Finally, SHO MO AGE MI NI.

P.S Diggz you dey too big for all these borrow pose sturvs, as a true member of the Rewane clan don't shekp like all these other shekpites.
Please eschew any spirit of attachee by force and scrubism.

Shekpites will always shekp, so because nobody here witnessed Nigeria's independence in 1960 or Wall Street Crash of 1929 means it didn't happen?

Facts only: Law, Best, Charlton, Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or playing for United. Busby and Ferguson were knighted for achievements managing United. Charlton dominated and beasted a world cup winning best player while playing for United.

Shekpites stop borrowing and posing, stop doing attachee. We don't want no scrubs, stop forming slay king while posing with your friend's ride.

Denis Law won Ballon d'Or playing for United, United fans were humble and gracious.

Bobby Charlton won Ballon d'Or while playing for United, United fans remained humble and gracious. Even when he won the Golden Ball at the 1966 World Cup the United faithful took it in their stride.

George Best won Ballon d'Or while playing for United we remained serenely classy.

Alex Ferguson and Matt Busby were knighted due to their achievements with United we retained our poise.

Cristiano Ronaldo won Ballon d'Or while with United and we kept our cool.

But this enclave of shekpe drinkers, jelesinmi dropouts, and wannabe marabouts no go let person hear word again with their borrow-poseism.
Borrowing the world cup titles of countries, borrowing the achievements of other clubs because their ex-players were involved in some way.

Get back to us when a Chelsea player wins the Ballon d'Or, or a Chelsea player wins the best player at the world cup, or a Chelsea manager is knighted for football achievements.
O shekpites! Say no to borrow-poseism, say no to attache by force, repudiate every scrub attitude sayeth the Lord.

Lana1:
U sef dey blame typo on top swiftkey. U have joined debroslink's whatsapp group.

How Ligue 1/Ligue Un take become La Liga?

Unlimited fabu. Isn’t our God a wonderful God?
LMAO

diadem10:
Boonen not pacy or trickery? I'm not talking of Bohui or Bukart. The latter names almost confused me. Boonen is quite quick and trickery with wonderful left wand for pinging in lovely ball into the box.
Anyway, he's already left the club. He turned down a new deal for more playing time at a new club. Kehinde is also considering a move to Barca B. Maybe Buffonge would join next although English players hardly move abroad but he may join another English club. That stupid Sbragia really fvcked up.

Yea, I'm quite aware of some defenders leaving for loan but the point is the whole team became rubbish as soon as those 3 players got benched.

IIRC, only Poole, and Mctominay left the u23 team 'cos Tfm, Tauzenbe were with the first team 2 seasons ago. Not also forgetting Harrop who was their best creative player and the one who gave them lot of control in midfield. Kehinde and Buffonge were able to replace Harrop effectively at the earlier stages and the team got some good points regardless of their awful defence but the foolish coach would rather discard the whole team only to replace them with garbbage players and in the end got relegated. Ffs, only the defence needed sorting out. I wouldn't have minded Chong on the right though.

Like I stated earlier, I don't rate Hamilton, he's not even as good as Mctominay whom I don't rate either.
The ones I can see right now are Chong, Buffonge, Kehinde, Gomes, Poole, Riley, Mitchel and O'connor.

Forget that Harrop guy, he is already 22 and scored just 2 goals and had 1 assist last season in the championship. He is just there, nothing special.
He has decent technique but his lack of physical gifts will work against him in the EPL.

I know Boonen well, he is Caucasian, while Bohui is black and Burkhart looks like an Arab/Berber ( also Bohui and Burkhart are both no 9s). Boonen is not as good as Chong and Gomes who are almost 1 and 2 yrs younger than him, so he isn't such a great loss.

diadem10:
Tosin Kehinde can definitely play a no 8 role and as a wide left midfieder but he's at his best as a 6. I would say United u23 looked good with him, Buffonge and Barlow in midfield at the earlier stage but the stupid coach, Sbragia decided to change the whole team because the team kept on conceeding. He should have looked to amend the defence instead and I think the last straw was the match against Westham where our first team player, Luke Shaw had an awful game and looked abject all through. The team looked good going forward but abject in defence just like their other previous matches and I think the match ended in a 4-2 loss with Shaw culpable for the 4 goals conceeded.

Since then, the foolish coach banned Kehinde, Buffonge, Boonen (that's the left footed player I was talking about) and others from the first team eventhough these 3 were the best players in the team. He brought in Chong, Hamilton, Redmond, Gomes and some others instead. Out of all these new players brought in, only Chong has been impressive while Gomes has shown glimpses of his talent here and there but the whole team were horrible without any control nor creativity unlike the start of the season. I think the team almost relegated or so.

And I don't rate Hamilton. Decent player with the occasional goals but that's all.

I know Boonen but i don't think he has the pace or trickery needed. If he wasn't pacy but had Hazard/Iniesta technique it would be manageable but i think he is just average, he is definitely not Giggs.

Hamilton may or may not be average but he is the only one in that midfield that circulates the ball the way a DM/CM should, almost all the others are runners or dribblers. He understands the position and his duties better than the others. Poole might have been a great option but he is another whose education has been marred by countless matches playing as an undersized CB and as a slow FB.

The team was conceding cos all the good defenders were on loan or training with the first team, RoShaun Williams and Warren don't look like they will be good enough.

diadem10:
If Mourinho would allow them to play. Tbh, I'm not on board with Perreira. I don't see all the fuss about him except for his long range shots and setpieces/crosses.

Apart from the aforementioned, players like O'connor (Rb), Buffonge (a playmaking no 8, could be Pogba's understudy), Poole (CB/DM), Tosin Kehinde (a playmaking no 6, could be Matic's understudy), Mitchell (Lb), Willock (box-box CM, could be Fred's understudy) should all be looked at as well. O'connor may be deemed too young though.

Also, there's one left footed kid that plays exactly like giggs on the left wing but I can't remember his name right now (not Chong). I would love to see a true traditional winger in the team.

And there's Gribbin, a no 10 who's sluggish and lazy although quite talented and visionary however, no 10 are already dying breeds in today's era, especially a sluggish lazy one at that.

I have not really seen O'Connor so can't comment on him. Buffonge should get a chance especially as he is turning 20 soon, he has pace, good technique and is strong compared to Gribbin who like you said is really best suited to the 10 role because of his vision and also due to his laziness and poor work ethic.

Tosin Kehinde is also a no 8 like Buffonge and not a no 6. Ethan Hamilton is probably the best no 6 in the youth ranks (though not eye catching) and i think he is more of a midfielder than McTominay whose developement was altered by positional changes and his growth spurt.

You are right about Willock, he is the best box-to-box we have in the team but i don't think he has enough technical ability.

Gribbin is uber talented but weak, lazy, slow and has a bad attitude.

The only talented left footed attacker i remember in the youth set up is Mason Greenwood but he plays more as a striker for now, the other quick winger is Zach Dearnley but he is right footed.

Though Gomes gets most of the hype i trust Chong more cos he is bigger, has more speed IMO, and very crucially is not English born.

I am looking forward to seeing Andreas Perreira, Tahith Chong, Ethan Hamilton, Angel Gomes and even possibly Mason Greenwood get some minutes on this tour.
JM should give the world cup paticipants enough rest and in doing that allow the younger ones to show us what they can do.

A40:
Coaching is definitely a factor but considering how well they do at age grade level you start to wonder if them sef dey use football age like we do.

For 2002 I think it would have been tough to sit a National team icon like Batistuta but Crespo is the only guy I would have played ahead of him. I think Kily was a midfielder if na the Valencia Kily you dey talk. Lopez had a poor World cup. Overall they had a very good squad if you ask me because I can recall it was them and France that were the top 2 favorites going to that WC

For 2006 you might be right but Argentina's goal came from a setpiece in the first half. Riquelme's influence had waned in the second so I wouldn't blame the coach for taking out a luxury player like Riquelme when trying to defend a lead vs the home team. I agree he could have brought on Messi but Messi was only 18, there's no telling if he would have had an impact or not

We can agree on 2010. However when a team keeps falling on its arse even against inferior opposition like England and Sweden in 02 and Germany in 06 and 10 then you just can't rule out mental midgetry

Their problem is a weird one but I still feel they aren't the only country that deals with an imbalance in their squad of some sort

They have been unlucky but you may be right to an extent too. The whole nation (including the players) has been wired to believe a single player will do a Maradona and win the cup singlehandedly. And every 4 years the real Maradona comes out to heap more pressure on the team.
The 02 to 10 teams were affected by coaching errors, now the team is just not good enough.