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What rubbish?? Premium Times seems to be trying to prevent lawyers from chopping their share of Atiku dollars. It cannot work!!!

Sakamaje:
That is not fair. Agbaje should be given at least one more chance by PDP.

Nonsense. Is he the only person that can contest in the party. He has failed on 3 separate occasions already. Abgaje O to ge!

tstx:
Curse no dey work





do not think your business is doing well without a website.. you are losing out on potential clients searching the web... See mY signature.

Curse is just like 'Karma' ---- Overrated.

porka:
You succeeded in muddling things up.

The government in Osun State right now is a continuation of the immediate past government that boasted of 'massive infrastructure' already provided. Have they not been provided? Why are you saying Osun people don't like infrastructure? Why the sudden attacks on the civil servants who just want to be paid their salaries in order to 'live within their means'?

Osun State was one of your first experiment of 'progressivism'. They have procurred all manner of debt to finance 'infrastructure'. That was what we have been told. Has the experiment failed? Are you regretting the provision of these 'massive infrastructure' now? How come the magic is not working again?

Why are you people in the habit of making unreasonable comparisons? UAE is a sovereign country with Dubai as its largest city. It has only 9.3m people living in it. It produces 2.9m barrels per day (More than what Nigeria, with over 170m people, produces daily). It is an Emirate without any accountability to anyone apart from the mullahs. If they like, they can carry money and purchase football clubs in Europe or spend in casinos in North America they will still have enough balance to experiment with.

Even with all this, it took them over 30 years to get all you see there in place. But you want Osun to develop to Dubai by magic at the expense of the civil servants salary. Why this unnecessary mention of Dubai each time?

Nigeria's own Abuja was built from the scratch over several decades. It boasts of fairly reasonable infrastructure more than any city in the country. Has that translated to 'massive jobs' now? Abuja simply does not have any economy outside government business. There are even more universities located in Osun more than there are in Abuja with all its infrastructure. (Note that licenses for these universities were obtained long ago).

China''s economy is the creation of the west. There is absolutely nothing home grown in it. Companies in the west simply took their production to China and other Asian countries to reduce labour costs back home. What China did was to swallow their pride and open their economy to globalization instead of continuing with stupid economic policies. You have a lot to study on how these things have played out.

Yet, for all you have read about China, it is still a developing country. Human development ranks higher on any scientific index than so-called infrastructure. The economy of a nation is about what people produce. The value of the socalled infrastructure in an economy is not more than what people use it for. As long as you see Chinese students going to American universities to study science and technology and economics and finance, China will merely struggle behind America.

China will never be competitive without innovation. Innovation elevates the economy. China is not structured to be innovative with the kind of political system it operates. Plurality of leadership accelerates innovation more than the command style they operate in China currently.

It is not infrastructure that use people, it is human beings that use infrastructure. You cannot just be riding up and down in trains without any meaningful thing to do. Development should not come at the cost of human existence: human beings are the ones being developed. If you ask people to drop dead because you want to develop, what have you deveoped.

With this type of shifting the goal post in your new narrative now, you are only saying that your bogus 'infrastructure leads to jobs' conjecture has failed woefully in Osun State. Except you are saying that 'massive infrastructure' have not been provided.

You are the one muddling things up bro. In my post I tried to explain one of the reasons why Osun's IGR hasn't improved commensurate with the new infrastructure that the immediate past governor put in place (which is even barely adequate by modern standards). Osun's case really isn't that peculiar relative to other states in Nigeria because most states are still spending more on recurrent expenditure than on capital expenditure. I agree that productivity and human capital development is a huge factor in determining economic progress, and from some news reports I came across, the state scored the second highest in human capital development under the last administration.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/news/human-capital-development-index-osun-ranks-second-in-nigeria/amp


Perhaps it is valid to argue that the fruits of that administration's efforts may take some time to manifest as they merely laid the foundation for a more productive populace.

Don't get it twisted. I am not endorsing the idea that civil servants should be owed salaries. No. But a situation where the allocation that comes into the state can barely pay the salaries of civil servants, whom (according to Aregbesola) constitute less than 2% of the entire population of the state, calls for some serious sober reflection on our current system of governance.


In Osun's case, apparently the immediate past governor felt he could sacrifice workers salaries for his idea of 'developing' the state, and evidently this didn't go down well with at least half of the state's population.

The crux of my argument is that a lot of Nigerians generally seem to measure progress in governance based on prompt payment of workers salaries, which some state governors are well aware of. I first got some insight into this during a conversation with an Oyo state indigene some years back after I asked him why the general populace (especially in within the state capital) seem to love ex-governor Rasheed Ladoja so much years after leaving office, and his response was simply that it is because under his tenure the civil servants always got their salary payment alerts by the 25th of every month (two other residents of the state also later confirmed this sentiment). He didn't achieve much else beyond that to earn their fondness and adulation; he didn't raise the state's IGR during his tenure (the state was completely dependent on federal allocation, just like most other states before the crash of oil prices), no memorable or legacy infrastructural development to his name, except prompt payment of salaries.

As per your view on China, let's just agree to disagree because I am in no mood for any back and forth debate over that.

porka:
Why are you siniging another tune now?

What about those 'infrastructure' that APC has 'provided' in Osun? When are they going to generate IGR now?

The civil servants salaries were not paid for several months under the guise of providing 'infrastructure' in Osun.

Osun people apparently prefer their salaries being paid regularly than infrastructures. And they made that clear through their voting pattern in the last governorship elections in the state. Infrastructures costs money, a shitload of it too, mind you. You can't expect to have the kind of infrastructure Dubai has without sourcing the money for it somehow. It's either you tax heavily, borrow heavily to pay for building such infrastructure or you depend on investors to come and build them with some sort of incentives. But most investors/industries won't even come and invest unless some basic infrastructures are already in place. So something has to give.

For most states in Nigeria that are addicted to being dependent on federal allocation, don't expect much in terms of fantastic infrastructure/development anytime soon because the people generally don't understand that development comes at a cost, expensive one at that. Plus, they seem not to be comfy with the idea of paying taxes which is one of the ways government can raise money for capital projects.

Presently, according data released by NBS, the bulk of most government IGR in most states (with the exception of Lagos and a handful of other states with decent amount of industries and thriving private sector) come from paye tax deductions from civil servants salaries, which also explains why all states that are owing salaries also have extremely low IGR; which makes sense because without salaries there'll be no paye revenue. This is the case in most 'civil service' states.

We need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a local/customized model of development for ourselves as a country because the current one is simply not working and neither is it sustainable. China is not a democracy, yet it is outpacing the U.S (which is the beacon of democracy) in terms of development, because it is operating a homegrown system that is working for it as a nation.

kokomaster3d:
PDP lack strategies to winning an election. Their Chairman is too dull and lacks idea. The ultimate goal in any election is win by any means - whether through rigging, vote buying, etc. They sit and watch APC win.

What you just described is the 'textbook' approach of past PDP administrations towards elections, especially during the OBJ era. PDP was counting on (and has been riding on) APC playing 'fair' (to their own disadvantage) during elections, rather than taking the game to them. This Kano election was too close to call meaning that it was all down to strategy. Ganduje has shown himself to be a better politician/tactician when the chips are down than Kwankwaso.

If PDP were expecting ganduje to just roll over and accept defeat then they are the kings of stupid. APC is learning fast to become as ruthless as OBJ was with elections in his time. Ganduje upped his game and strategy before the supplementary election and is now reaping the reward stupendously. Election no be tea party. Abba gida don turn to Abba sorry.

All 40 assembly seats in the bag for APC Lagos be dat?

They should just remove age limit from voting, else some folks will always have an edge over the rest.

otokx:
That is the disadvantage of democracy in Nigeria.

Indeed it is. In a democracy, the majority can even choose to elect the wrong candidate sef. As long as he lies promises/tells them what they want to hear. Truth of the matter is that any first-term governor in Nigeria that can manage to not owe civil servants salaries would have a brighter chance of securing his second term, even if he does so at the expense of much-needed infrastructure. And that will not change anytime soon.

Not just Osun but the entire country. Too many redundant civil servants (not to mention ghost workers) draining resources that could be better used to serve the greater public good and welfare. But dem never born the governor that will exercise the political will to do something about it because the opposition will turn it into a political weapon to demonize such a governor. Any governor that dares to trim the civil service work force will automatically become 'public enemy' number 1.

Sickening.

Na wah o. This Tinubu juju really strong o, sotay some people have turned him into an ebora that is haunting them even in faraway Kano and Sokoto. Lol.

Not just Osun but the entire country. Too many redundant civil servants (not to mention ghost workers) draining resources that could be better used to serve the greater public good and welfare. But dem never born the governor that will exercise the political will to do something about it because the opposition will turn it into a political weapon to demonize such a governor. Any governor that dares to trim the civil service work force will automatically become 'public enemy' number 1.

I don't blame Atiku for going to court because he knows that he can't contest again for the presidency after this latest election. But unfortunately for him he is just wasting his time, and money.

I don't blame Atiku for going to court because he knows that he can't contest again for the presidency after this latest election. But unfortunately for him he is just wasting his time, and money.

Where is Namadi Kanu to uncover for us whether the current El-Rufai is the original or fake. And we also need to know whether he is also from Sudan, Cameroon, or Morocco. . Oya Nnamdi, how far??

Jimi is a promoter of division rather than a unifier. He has demonstrated that time and time again with each attempt to become governor. Even within his own party he just could not hide his divisive tendencies. He is clearly not what Lagos needs.

Excaperx:
did kwakwanson force his people to vote PDP?.

Unlike tinubu, kano people actually decides

Lmao. The same Kwankwaso that singlehandedly handpicked his son-in-law against the wishes of other PDP stakeholders in the state, sotay a court recently disqualified his son-in-law and ordered a new primary until another court set aside the judgement. Some of you don't even know how to defend your own hypocrisy. Y'all think you are dealing with fools when you exhibit your hypocrisy with a straight face. So Tinubu is a bad 'godfather' because he's in APC, but the likes of Bukola Saraki and Kwankwaso are saintly godfathers because they are in PDP. Guy, you no try.

Excaperx:
he didn't installed ganduje

Really? Like seriously? O.k, if he didn't install Ganduge (as you claim), what about his son-in-law that is the current PDP candidate? Your hypocrisy is something else. You prefer to worship and glorify Kwankwaso who is forming godfather in Kano (because he's in PDP), yet you turn around and castigate Tinubu's influence in Lagos. How do people like you live with your own duplicity? It doesn't make sense to reasonable folks.

Excaperx:
but serious how can a single man control 3 generation of rulers in Lagos state.

Fashola
Ambode
Sanwo olu

Kwankwaso would soon beat that record I am sure. He installed Ganduje, remember? And if Ganduje loses he would have succeeded in installing his son-in-law as well. Even Tinubu hasn't tried that sort of thing in Lagos.

Excaperx:
PDP ain't loosing kano state

I am sure even you don't believe yourself, else there'll be no need for this thread.

Excaperx:
tinubu should try his usual nonsense first

Your camp is already sounding like losers who are looking for a scapegoat. Wait till after you people lose Kano and then go and arrest Tinubu after your loss and stop ranting all over the place.

Excaperx:
lies kano state is a very strategic state for tinubu 2023 ambition and he's doing everything possible to win it.look at the full speech

But body would rig us here, Nigeria belong to all of us, we know this country very well, no jupiter could come to Kano, becouse the story we are hearing one big man from Lagos were going round saying this and that must happen.

LET HIM KNOW KANO IS NOT LAGOS"

-Hon. Madakin Gini

You are already sounding like a loser. Continue obsessing over Tinubu. And when you people eventually lose you can blame him and then go to Lagos and arrest him for your loss.

Excaperx:
then why is tinubu running around looking for ways to rig kano?

How is Tinubu 'running around' to rig kano? You people seem to have run out of ideas. The picture of Tinubu hugging Ganduje is an old one from way before the elections in the state. They are both in the same party so what's the big deal if they hug each other? Like I said, you people should be strategizing on how to win Kano. Tinubu is in Lagos minding his business. Involving him will not help Kwankwaso win Kano.

Kwankwaso and his red cap fanatics should focus on their efforts to install his son-inlaw as governor rather than dragging Tinubu into Kano politics.

Oil money things. This has to be the tallest building in the SE and SS. But still not as tall as Cocoa House. Udom try.

Built2last:
Fake news

Link fake

Why not go to Sahara reporters website to confirm the news before dismissing it?

The godfather has spoken. Lol. Let's see how his PDP worshippers will react to this.

Lok. But some people said his nickname is 'Mr. Project'.

Let the blame game begin.

He is better off in his village farming and with roof over his head, where he can be close to his people and better manage his health condition, before his umunna have to contribute money to return his dead remains. No be everybody 'abroad' dey favour. Argue with Libya returnees.