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KingEbukasBlog:
My God ! I love this comment . How can you doubt the existence of God if you've known him before It does not make sense . People like Johnydon22 , hahn , plaetton , dalaman , JackBizzle , kay17 and AgentofAllah never knew God , so I laugh hysterically when they claim they started questioning their "faith" . Am like nigga you never knew God in the first place . Any Christian who knows God will never question his faith.

I read John's comment on arguments that would shake someone's faith . And all I could see was delusion . .

Duh, thanks for this remarkable revelation, cap't obvious! Although, it is not clear to me how not knowing god and questioning my faith are mutually exclusive. For avoidance of doubt, I started questioning god's existence precisely because I came to the realisation that I never knew what god is. I don't think I've ever conveyed a contrary view.

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Clearly, the differences are self-evident, and need no further explanation.

The title is grossly misleading!!! There is no evidence that he rejects "water or any other drink". There is just evidence that he rejects water in a plastic bottle for something in Guinness bottle. For all we know, it could have been water inside the Guinness bottle, which would mean he only wanted to drink from a 'fancy looking' bottle

KingEbukasBlog:
You are overrated in fact .

And who's doing the rating?

Anyway one question .

Why are you certain that God committed genocide ?

Oh dear, not this again!

Ayomikun37:
Thanks for the Biology lesson.... A foetus is a product of [size=16]NOTHING[/size] ... Noted.

Be careful...or don't be! It doesn't matter! They could appear in your stomach when you're asleep, taking a hike, in the shower, heck they could even appear during in-depth anatomy experiments with colleagues...it really doesn't matter. Those fetal parasites will smoke you out wherever you are, and leech off of you for several months, then cast a magical spell on you to love them unconditionally, and sacrifice your pleasure for theirs!

At any rate, you must remember that you came from nothing, just like them, thus you are subjected to his laws..."whose laws", you ask?
Who cares whose laws? His laws are the laws of nothingness, so he is nothing himself!

KingEbukasBlog:
A delusional evolutionist . You subscribe to and peddle scientific theories which you have accepted as cogent - that's the problem .

We have different views on the origin and diversity of life . Keep it that way . You dont have to convince me and I dont care about convincing you.

Funny enough evolution is a design process . We have such in software engineering and development of various products . Evolution does not preclude the need for a designer , it necessitates it .

There are theistic evolutionists by the way - evolutionists who believe God did it through evolution and the creation story in the bible is allegorical

God is a precursor to all in existence

This is the quintessential Ebuka. He finds himself in a corner, and then farts straw men out of his arse!! How, in the holy kingdoms of Yemoja, Amadioha and kalumba did evolution make its way here?

I pointed out that there can be many creators, and I invoked the creators of my wristwatch, shoes and computer to drive home the point. I also passingly mentioned the process of birth as the creation of the creators. Not sure what any of that has got to do with evolution.

KingEbukasBlog:
Supreme Conscious Creator = God is the Supreme Creator , God is conscious

I cannot count how many ways you've told me god is the supreme creator of all things. Please note that repeating the same thing 1,000,000 times neither makes that thing more understandable, nor will it make it correct. I believe that is another logical fallacy known as Argumentum ad nauseam. For someone who boasts to be adept at logical reasoning, you're really failing at your game.

If you perform so woefully at the one thing you're supposedly good at, I wonder what informs your keen sense of confidence?

KingEbukasBlog:
Why disturb me when you have already conceived in your mind that God's existence is illogical . So gentleman , from my definition , you picked just 'creator ' and then came to this conclusion .

Correction: I picked "Creator of all things", which is the definition you gave. It is false to claim that my preconception influenced my conclusion, however. My conclusion solely depended on logic and your 'definition', nothing else. And this was only because you boasted that you are an expert practitioner of logical reasoning here:

KingEbukasBlog:
They falsely parade themselves as people who 'operate with logic and reason ' - purport .
I actually study it . They just make idiotic claims because they are atheists . My professors are all religious , more religious than the students . Its logical to believe in God and exhibit faith though.

Wawu . So who created the creators of your wrist watch or your headphones?

I believe there were multitudes of people involved in the creation of the creators, I don't know the specifics like their names or places of origin, for example, but from phenomenological evidence, I know that their creation most likely entailed copulation between a male and female human. I'll stop here if you don't mind, as I wish not to go too deep into the intricate biology of sexual reproduction.

Note though, that in order to demonstrate the illogicality of belief in the god you defined, I don't have to know all creators or what they created, I just need to show that there is no such thing as a single "creator of all things", and I have done that successfully.

Finally, a definition! Now, let's examine its logical merits.

KingEbukasBlog:
God - the Supreme Conscious Eternal Creator . Creator of all things . And all things were made by Him . An EVERYTHING is Contained in Him/part of Him .

I don't know what "supreme conscious(ness)" means, but I know what a creator is, and it can be shown that all things aren't created by one single entity. Take my headphones for example, they are manufactured by Parrot. It can be said that the guys at Parrot are their creators. My shoes were created by Clarks, my computer; by Microsoft, the rocks outside; by volcanoes, water and air flux, my wristwatch; by Citizen. If I wish to be super meticulous, for added measure, I can disintegrate my wristwatch into its respective components, and you will readily find that even a single timepiece requires several creators. All these forementioned creators demonstrably have very little in common, and are probably located at distinct but finite points on the space-time continuum. As such, the only logical conclusion is that there are several creators in existence; some conscious, others not so much, but none of them is eternal as far as human knowledge goes.

In conclusion your definition only served to reaffirm my previous verdict that there is no logical basis for the belief in god.

Are you happy now ?

Not yet! When you succumb to the humbling but honourable path of intellectual honesty, and finally admit that you were wrong to suggest that belief in god (as per your definition) is logical, I will be happy.

KingEbukasBlog:
You asked for the definition of God , where the hell am I going to get it from ? Alex Ferguson's biography ? . Is like you asking for the profile of Chelsea fc , I get it from the official website and you accuse me of making logical fallacies (such as appeal to official club website authority ) .

My belief in God being logical is totally different though .

I asked for the definition of god that will allow us to assess logically, the claim that believing in god is logical. Without such a definition, your claim is simply nonsensical.

You provided the verse in Genesis 1:1 as the definition of god. This verse states that god created heaven and earth. This is a claim, not a definition. I don't know what "heaven" is, but I know what earth is, and there is not a shred of proof that god created earth, since I don't know what "god" means. I don't suppose you believe god is the accreting guts of an exploded star? If you do, then I can agree that god truly created earth.
I hope you can understand why I insist you provide a sensible definition for god.

KingEbukasBlog:
I gave sensible definitions in accordance to bible texts . You not seeing it as helpful or logical does not mean its not - your opinion . What I'll do is to explain in details . That's all

Except I don't know the meaning of 'definition', I am pretty sure you didn't give any definitions at all, you only made more claims about what god has supposedly done, and a few witless statements like god "is the I AM" and "in the beginning was the word, the word was with god and the word was god" and used the bible as an authority as if that's a logically valid argument.

Remember that this is meant to be your proof that belief in god is logical. Using logical fallacies (such as appeal to biblical authority) to demonstrate logic is just an absurd paradox. And this is even assuming that any sense can be made from the stuff you've quoted. So please, I am still waiting for your logical definition of god, thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:
You rushed to a conclusion after asking me questions on concepts you dont understand? . How is that even possible ?

A round of applause for this gentleman

Yes, I formed my conclusion based on the answers you made available to me. Nonetheless, there was a caveat in my conclusion. I stated that "belief in god remains illogical until you can provide a sensible definition of that word". I am willing to revise my conclusion when you provide a sensible definition. As such, feel free to clarify these concepts I don't understand if you believe they'll help me understand the definition of god.

KingEbukasBlog:
Wait a minute , are you insinuating that is illogical to believe that a conscious eternal creator exists and it is logical for the lack of belief ? Elucidate , no circumlocution .

I made no insinuations. You made the claim that belief in god is logical, and I sought your definition of god in order to scrutinise this claim.

You copied me in your response to PastorAIO, so I shall assume the following are your definitions:

Genesis 1 : 1
In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Here, you still haven't defined god, you've only expanded your body of unsubstantiated claims.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This only repeats Genesis 1:1 in more verbose terms, and pads it with a unintelligible sentence. Neither "the word" nor "god" has any obvious meaning to me.

First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing.

Why should I believe what the bible tells us? Isn't appeal to authority a logical fallacy?

Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth.
Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself.

I don't care what you believe heaven means or what the bible claims god created. I merely asked for the definition of god.

The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all.

What immaterial realm?

God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge

Tautologies are true, but what does this really mean?

Never said God was in infinity. I said God himself is infinity and eternity, and everything is contained in him.

Let me ask you this: If you are, yourself, finite, how can you possibly know that anything is infinite?

To recap

1) You made a claim that it is logical to believe in god.
2) I have attempted to subject this claim to the rigours of logic by requesting a definition of god
3) Rather than provide a clear definition of god, you have expanded your body of claims about "god", all of which are unintelligible arrangements of familiar words.

From the foregoing, it is obvious that god is at best, a nebulous concept; and thus, cannot be subjected to the rigours of logic. Ergo, by definition, belief in god remains illogical until you can provide a sensible definition of that word.

KingEbukasBlog:
I actually study it . They just make idiotic claims because they are atheists . My professors are all religious , more religious than the students . Its logical to believe in God and exhibit faith though.

Ever heard of compartmentalism? Aye, one can be a computer genius, or a guru in the subject of logic, and that still wouldn't preclude one from discarding logic when it is, for one reason or other, expedient to do so.

As an example, I am staunchly anti-nationalist, and I believe all borders must be abolished. Nevertheless, I still support Nigeria during international sporting events. My support for Nigeria is, of course, inconsistent with my views on nationalism, so I compartmentalise by conveniently ignoring my anti-national stance, especially when the National team wins, for the kick of exceptionalism which I enjoy for a few minutes! National exceptionalism feels damn good when you're with the winning team, even when it is a demonstrably illogical position!

So, your very religious professors can all be computer science genii, and that still wouldn't mean their religiosity is consistent with logic. If as you claim, belief in god is logical, then such a claim must be scrutinised on its own merit, not by appeal to authority (of your professors), which is a well-studied logical fallacy!

Now, if you paid attention in your Logic classes, you will know that definition of terms must necessary precede their feature in any logical statement. So, if you don't mind, kindly define what you mean by 'god' since, as we all know, the definition is not at all, axiomatic!

Xtopher123:
This is a serious something!!! Feeling so Sad right now.

When other developed countries in the world are exploring more to better the lives of their people, my country (Nigeria) is dreaming of achieving what a nursery school student in a developed country will do in less than 20mins.

⇒ Below is a Tweet shared by Sheikh Mohammed, the Vice President and Prime Minister of the United Arab Emirates, and Emir of Dubai. And that of Minister of Science and Technology, Ogbonnaya Onu made in February 2016.

You've missed the big picture, I'm afraid. Yes, Dubai's plan is ambitious, fancy even! But ask yourself this: In what country will the driverless vehicles be manufactured? If it's not in UAE, it's a waste! From an economic viewpoint, a country that meets its products demands internally, even if it's just pencils, is infinitely better off than one that imports the fanciest of cars. Give that a thought, will you?

Yungbitz:
Religion remains to me the most insane of insanities..the worse form of insanity..and it is pertinent to state that all religions have exercised Violence and displayed Terror mongering behavioral dispositions..only Time and Epoch differs...its the Arabs Epoch..not too long ago Christianity held us hostages from Europe to America

Is it a hyperbolic statement, or do you mean it when you say religion is the worst form of insanities?
If you do, why is religion the worst form of insanities to you?

KingEbukasBlog:
Nice try ! Such was obtainable in that dispensation . We Christians understand that and the atheists are simply disingenuous .

Poor excuse of a comeback, really!

Anyone who does any reprehensible acts under the guise of following an order from God is delusional .

The sanest thing you've said today. I give you points for coming to your senses. Therefore, I hope you can see Moses, Abraham, David and their likes for what they were.

Scrutiny or not . The fact still remains that God exterminated the wicked nations who committed atrocities . You can wail all day if you want tho

just when I was beginning to hold out hope that you have realised your folly. Okay then, wicked nations that consisted of boys, women and civilians. Like I said, I reserve especial ignominy for your likes.

KingEbukasBlog:
Seriously You don't get it ? They do not believe in any god and they committed despicable acts against humanity . You believe that I have such tendencies because of my belief in God - I mocked your supposition .

I don't believe you have genocidal tendencies because of your belief in god, I believe you are a genocidal lunatic because you're justifying acts of genocide. As despicable as atheist genocidal lunatics were/are, at least they didn't hide behind the command of some imaginary fella. While all perpetrators and defenders of genocide are equally disgusting, I reserve especial ignominy for cowards who use god as an excuse to satiate their blood thirst. So the joke really is on you! Do you get it now?

You need to be conversant with the way I ridicule an atheist's beliefs . I am simply saying that it is impossible for man to create God when he can't even fully understand God .

And I'm simply saying it doesn't take much intelligence to create a truck load of unintelligible, contradictory BS story about god which buckles under weight of scrutiny.

Check my signature bruv !

No.

KingEbukasBlog:
1. So which god was created in the image of Hilter , Mao , Stalin , Kim Jong , Pol Pot , Napoleon

I'm not sure which gods they created in their respective images because I never had the chance to converse with them. However, I'm sure their gods give yours a run for its brutality

2. Who/what created life in man or bestowed him with the intelligence to create a concept that he flounders to understand fully

Floundering to understand fully, a concept which you created and assert as truth, can hardly be thought of as intelligence by any stretch of definition of that word.

Dont put yourself in a difficult situation you cant extricate yourself from .

Oh please, don't flatter yourself.

KingEbukasBlog:
AgentofAllah made claims , I just want him to prove his claims with the bible . You guys just throw accusations without proof . Is that how you assure yourself that God does not exist . Is there a need to assure yourself of your unbelief in God .

What your bible says:

Numbers 31:18 : Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man (I.e. Deflowered women)

What I said:

...an order <to kill>{verb} <children and deflowered women>{Noun}

.

Please, don't make me do that again, I feel embarrassed!

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no change of nature , only his conduct towards man .

I would have loved to explicate that particular verse but you are an atheist so errmm ... its a complete waste of time

Well, don't bother, you're not terribly complex to figure out. In a lot of ways, you're the personification of your god. Your word is the objective truth, no matter how many blindingly obvious facts it contradicts.

Your god: I'm a good god = go kill women and children for belonging to a tribe I hate.

You: To repent from one's evil = showing mercy to the victims of the said evil.

It doesn't take an imaginative stretch to conclude that you and your god are one and the same! You see, man wasn't created in god's image. God was created in man's image!

KingEbukasBlog:
Forcefully deflowering a woman is rape .

You still haven't provided the part of my comment where I mentioned rape (or forceful deflowering). You know your problem? You'd rather spend your brain resource on conjuring imaginary arguments to debunk than understanding simple grammatical syntax. Let me help you understand: In my comment, "to kill" was the verb, "children and deflowered women" was the nominal phrase. Go read it again.

Those countries were exterminated because of their abominable acts . Seeds from the nation had the propensity to continue in the ways of their fathers .

Wow! So you see nothing wrong in killing children whose only wrong was committing the unforgivable crime of being accidentally born to a certain community? With this mentality, you'll fit right in with BH.

Since God is a just entity I believe the innocent children will make heaven . Remember the purpose of man on earth is to unite with his creator for eternity in Heaven . Children naturally can't discern between right and wrong so God saved them from committing evil in the future by taking their lives , I presume . God made use of his foreknowledge to save them from eternal damnation for they have that innate possibility to go astray - in the ways of their fathers .

*face palm* BH alert

Christians also pray to God to take their lives if there is certainty of them making Heaven at all times . Also note that Christ admonishes Christians to be ready at all times .

Matthew 24 :4

What has this got to do with genocide?

I see a correlation ... do you ?

No, I don't! What I see, without intending this to be an ad-hominem invective, is a confused asfuq genocidal lunatic. Disheartening!

KingEbukasBlog:
Boko Haram is an Islamic group with a common ideology - Western education is bad . Nigeria Army decimates them like everyday as ordered by President Buhari . So I am right to call it a genocide . At least AgentofAllah agrees with me

Err..no, I don't. If you read my last but one post, my argument is quite the contrary.

KingEbukasBlog:
I have repented from the evil - I have decided to show them mercy .

Huh??
"I repent me of the evil I have done unto you" = "I show you mercy"??


Hopeless!!

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop the circumlocution , you are not making any sense . Boko Haram are being killed in their large numbers daily the Nigerian Army as ordered by Buhari but hey its genocide . Lets call it what it is .

Wait what ? Can you provide verses of the scripture where God ordered rape ?

Can you provide the sentence in which I mentioned rape?

Now, back to the main point before you start chasing rabbits with straw man.

Genocide (CPPCG definition): Any act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

You may want to argue that this definition applies to BH because they are a religious group, but the operative word in that definition is "intent". The intent of the order to destroy BH has nothing to do with their religious convictions, but with their criminal activities. If you don't know this, your worldview is enshrouded in a reality distortion field. It would be genocide if the army targeted women, children and civilian sympathisers of BH.

KingEbukasBlog:
I guess its not morally acceptable for the Nigeria Army to decimate Boko Haram . . Buhari made the order tho , but hey its genocide

What?? Are you serious?
I believe you're trying to make a point which I hope I have missed. The alternative would mean you don't know the meaning of genocide and that you're both dangerous and irredeemably depraved to compare an order to wipe out a known terrorist group (that has no qualms blowing up a market place where women and children transact) with an order to kill children and deflowered women.

Besides, the Nigerian army is a spectacularly poignant example of how a moral army should NOT behave. There is evidence that they have committed war crimes, including the extrajudicial execution of people just because they were suspected of being BH sympathisers. Notice though, that such actions are criminal before the law, and not at all praiseworthy!

KingEbukasBlog:
No , the atheists accused God of atrocities - genocide etc . It didn't make any sense , so the thread was created to clear your misconception . Your faulty thinking made you have the mistaken belief that a supreme authority who made the laws for man to follow , should obey these laws . The point is , the laws were made for man and not for God to follow .

Just like the manuals are made for devices and not for the manufacturer/user to follow .

You betray the temperament of a cognitively dissonant person, even to the extent of arguing that a genocide is not a genocide because it was ordered by your god. Let's be clear on one thing, a genocide is a genocide, is a genocide, is a GENOCIDE irrespective of who gives the order or the moral implications of such an order. So what you really wish to suggest is that the genocides ordered by your god are morally acceptable since your god ordered them. As a human, I find this disposition questionable and disgusting, and I think you're sick to try to justify genocide.

thehomer:
Not true. I know that rape and genocide are bad ideas. You think they are good ideas. Please show me the hypocrisy.

It is absurd that anyone should mistake moral subjectivity for moral apathy. Then again, absurdity is the forte of the religiously inclined

eDoc:
Omo you don make tins complex,which is cheaper downloading or streaming.

If you wish to watch it once, the cost is the same, assuming similar quality.

If you wish to watch it several times, downloading becomes significantly cheaper than streaming.

jaykaylegend:
guys please I want to ask between streaming videos and downloading videos, which consumes data the most.?/

Assuming similar video quality in both cases, then the instantaneous data cost for streaming and downloading will be the same. In the long run, however, if it's a video you wish to watch several times, then the cost of streaming, (C_stream), would scale proportionally with the number of times, (N_watch) you watch the video that costs 'P', whereas the cost of downloading is a one off payment, which could make downloading significantly cheaper than streaming, depending on how many times you actually watch the video.

That is,
C_stream = N_watch X P

Whereas,
C_download = P (Irrespective of how many times watched)

ijedallar:
Thank God you alive and now successful in your carier.my advice to you as an elder is that you should forget this man and focus more on your feature vengeance is of God.

Forget? I'm disappointed in your suggestion! It is precisely this type of indifference from our elders that has destroyed Nigeria this badly in the first place. Your advise is F'd up, and I hope the lady trashes it!
I leave you with a quote from Wole Soyinka: "The man dies in him who keeps silent in the face of tyranny"
You choose how you wish to absorb that. Even "forget" it, if you please.

promise101:
Yea, I really love your question.

Well...thanks, I guess!

But if you can really answer this single question to my taste, then I promise to answer yours to your taste. But mine first.

This hardly qualifies as fair. It's usually the first question that should be answered first. Nevertheless, I'll make an exception since you make it seem your answer depends on how I answer your questions.

Please, without trying to make use of bible to justify or answer this question.

Please, what are the evidence that shows that mohammed was sent by God?

None

What evidence shows that your prophet mohammed really received his message from God in a cave? Any witness?

None

Now that I have answered your questions, I hope you reciprocate, and with answers that are just as concise.