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Jeromejnr:
Ah! But the Pharisees are the one who make up man made doctrines and practice's.

But as I said previously, the scriptures you quoted are nothing new to me, for I have encountered such doctrines.

But open your eyes like many of us have and repent! Stick to the Word alone and not the ways of men.

My signature says a lot about me.

Abeg abeg abeg pls park one side u protestants should go and get roots and stop being like chaff in the wind, 1st the bible is a guide and doesn't know everything, secondly it states so and 3rdly what makes you to cast judgment when u not God,
Hope you know dat ur kinds are like d Israelites of old always wanting a sign of miracle be careful cuz d bible itself has predicted dat signs and wonders lucifer will perform and people will be wowed.
The Catholic church is going to stand and when ever it turns from God, God in His mercies will see us back but as for this issues u protestants have to claim, u read bible literally and beat your chests saying you know all, now let me tell you d bible itself is a source of light and also a source of destruction, always read with wisdom and the guild of the Holy Spirit so dat u will not be led astray else u twist it and end up asking for destruction.

Shalom

VLadipo:
Why dont we observe the passover?

Why dont we sacrifice animals to atone for our sins?

Why dont we give burnt offerings, wine offerings etc?

Why dont we practise 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'?

Why are ladies getting married as non-virgins without consequences?

Why are we not allowed to divorce our wives?


Why dont we observe the sabbath?

Why arent adulteresses caught in the act stoned to death?


Etc Etc Etc

Mehn ur list plenty ooo but still u don't get, LOVE is all the commandments put together yes literally u right but dat doesn't make it all correct to indulge in them or to judge someone who has done them

The love for materialism will drive people to where dey hope not to go,

1st dey have turned the Lord to money multiplier when dey should be drawing closer to Him.

2nd dey misunderstand Him and often misunderstand what He aims for us.

God will help us

italo:
But brother, what about those in Matt 25:31-46...

Were they saved because they had faith...

Or because they did good works?

ohhh oga na d two, put am together gbam

Jeromejnr:
Just a point of correction, we never derived Miracles from the Catholics.

The Apostles were not Catholics, their disciples were not Catholics and the scriptures were not written by Catholics.

It's the only Church which has a complete succession that can be traced back to Christ.

Although, it has not always had the right succession but still can be traced.

OLAADEGBU:
We do not attain grace but obtain it by faith alone in Jesus Christ. And if you truly believe that Christ's sacrifice paid for the penalty of our sins then why do you seek to add your works to His completed work of grace? You believe that He has to die repeatedly every time you partake in the mass ritual and yet you say that He paid once and for all. How contradictory is that?

Isn't it Paul that also said Love is greater than faith, abi didn't you read in your bible where he wrote "even if I have all the faith in the whole world that could move mountains and I have not loved den that faith is dead"

Now don't get it wrong u quoted the Catholic Catechism when this thread was opened now let me help you understand what it meant.

Ist you are correct saying faith saves, I am not arguing that one bit, but unto the second part we as Catholics we strongly believe that d response to God's unlimited love by we having faith in Him is by good works, which is clearly shown when the rich man met Jesus and asked Him Master what must I do to be saved, and u remember the story, Jesus 1st reply was do u have faith in God and the man replied yes, next Jesus replied him go sell all and give it to the poor and come follow me, the bible says that the man went away sad good works couldn't be done.

So hope you understand.
Peace be with you

VLadipo:
God gave them laws to guide and direct their lives.

Excellently said u doing well.

Now the last one u said they are OT laws and some have been done away with.
So
1. What is the distinguishing between the ones that have been done away with and d ones dat haven't.
2. Isn't all the laws encompass to mean love your God with all your heart with all your might and with all your soul, and love your neighbor the way you will love yourself.

Gud morning e-fam it been long ooo where is everyone, miss you all

VLadipo:
The law is the set of rules, regulations and ordinances God handed to the Israelites via Moses starting with the 10 commandments.

Gud now the next question is why do u think God gave them these laws ?

OLAADEGBU:
Saving faith will produce good works and not the other way round.

I didn't argue that but still u just shot urself in d leg cuz u have just written that good works is part of it. except u don't understand what u have written.
Eph 2:9 supports ur claim and Eph 2:10 supports mine so pls don't get confused digest and read slowly to get understanding.

God bless

VLadipo:
Some part of the law expired with the OT.
They just cant be fulfilled in the NT (the dispensation of our Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit)

Do you know what the law is?

Let's start from there

Jeromejnr:
FYI, Charismatic is not Catholic. Charismatics major on Miracles, gifts of the Spirit and the Holy Spirit. Which you guys don't.

And I say again, that I am not Protestant.

All dis argument with u is causing me headaches, and have made me to be making mistakes it's Catholic Charismatic Renewal of Nigeria (CCRN) not Reunion in my last post and if u doubt it's authentication u have Google look it up, and for a fact Catholics believe in miracles and all, all u protestants derived that from us and made it ur headline of worship, for us it's not we prefer chasing holiness and charity.

And sorry to say more than half of the protestant church's derived their origin from this group.

Jeromejnr:
No 1: I am not a protestant.

No 2: Its a Catholics and Charismatic reunion two different movements why won't "protestants" be there. It's a reunion for crying out loud.

And BTW, they are not even protestants, they are known as Charismatics. You guys don't even know what protestant means.

Now you are trying to describe what u don't know with emphasis, smh

CCR or CCR of Nigeria is totally Catholic CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC REUNION OF NIGERIA
is a part and group of the Catholic Church

Secondly any other Christian group or faith not in accord with the Catholic church is termed PROTESTANT

Backslider:
@drag_On

As Much as I agree with some of the points you raised, I will tell you this that for you to say pentecostalism (if there is anything like that ) is weak is throwing the baby with the bath water.

Yes the bible employ us that when we can not interprete the tongue we keep quiet.
Yes I know that the every spirit is subject to the EVANGELIST.

You will know that if this is so then let us face this alone and only.

The birth of Fanatism is knowing one truth and Overemphasizing it such that you dont want to know anything else.

The day of Pentecost is a very important day if you are christian you will know that without God The Holy spirit coming the move of the Gospel will not be possible in the manner we saw in the act of the apostle.

Without the Holy Ghost we can do nothing as Christians. he is the one that converts Us cleans our hearts from sin. and then he comes to live in US.

THE BIBLE SAYS THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL DIE.

you say that we are sinners and that we will just be so.

I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE ADAM AND EVE EAT THE FRUIT DID WE HAVE SIN ??

A MAN CAN LIVE WITHOUT SIN IF HE LEAVES A LIFE IN CHRIST BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Sorry not true, except u can control ur though, actions and words which is not possible cuz den u claim equality with God when u are His hand made even d bible says God repented when He wanted to wipe out d isrealites and make out of Moses a great nation but Moses intervened and said that He would be quoted as a God of wrath den God repented exodus 32:14 talkless of a mere human who was born in sin

Right now u say Mary is just a vessel.

Now let me help you understand what u saying, for example ur mother gave birth to u and at that time u lived in the village no pipe borne water, no electricity, no social amenities, den u developed and became something dat the world recognizes.
Now someone comes and says buy out ur village and build an industry and u reply my mother lives there and the person replies "ur mother is only a vessel for bringing about ur greatness so she doesn't matter".

Be sincere what will be ur reaction?

VLadipo:
Mary is in heaven crying at that you are making an idol out of her.
Mary's ministry ended the day she delivered Jesus. After that, she became like every other mother.

And each time I protestants have an issue u run to ur pastors and when dey can't solve it dey run to another church and keep going about until their problems become their reason for going to church, so which is better being going through the mother of ur saviour or a mere human who is neither here nor there

VLadipo:
Even then, hasnt the Lord done away with that?

And what happened to Christ saying that I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill them.

Jeromejnr:
But yet when many Catholic folks are sick, especilly the women, they run to the pentecostals for their miracles because they couldn't get one at their own place of worship.

The Irony.

Same goes for u protestants, ever heard of Catholic Charismatic Reunion, each time dey organise a program it's filled with protestants

Dis is what makes me feel very sorry for u all anyway let sleeping dogs lie, but pls don't play with someone's faith I have experienced both sides and I know truth when I see it. The power of God is never limited so don't limit Him with ur ideas and thoughts

misreal:
even if I was wrong,I will never listen to a person who uses abuses as a form of evangelism.you need to be born again sir..go back and read the whole of 2nd thess2 and understand what it is talking about, and stop quoting scriptures out of context.

Plus u said out of context good now I want to ask all u sola scriptural people in the book of Mark 9:2-13 it's claims Christ went up to the mountain with Peter, James and John now I beg u pls show me where John wrote about it in his gospel cuz he was there ?
since u have refused to to agree with what I said as quoting out of context
I humbly await your answer

misreal:
even if I was wrong,I will never listen to a person who uses abuses as a form of evangelism.you need to be born again sir..go back and read the whole of 2nd thess2 and understand what it is talking about, and stop quoting scriptures out of context.

Then maybe u urself need to understand what you have said cuz u blatantly refuse to agree with what you call ur source of truth which all u protestant rightly claimed

All u protestants from all I have witnessed about u all u are like a bunch of sheep who know not their shepherd, gen 1:2 God Himself moved over the waters, meaning present on earth, gen 3:8 God walked in the presence of man even when they have sinned, meaning God still relates with earth.

Jesus went to the top of a high mountain transfixed and Moses and Elijah came to him mk 9:2-4 meaning heaven still relates with earth physically.

Now my main issh is dat why do u protestants claim all these are lies, because u doubt the very existence of God communicating with us humans via people, except u will say that God has abandoned us.

Imoy:
I am not doubting the fact that God can't make mary appear in kaduna.

And as for the verse; are u seriously asking me that question? Anyway I will take it as u dnt study the bible deeply (I won't blame u, cos even me to don't)

Here is it

Mathew 24:5

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am
Christ; and shall deceive many."

Matthew 7:22-23
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did
we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

So bro, like I said earlier, read ur bible, follow the instructions religiously, don't allow anybody deciev you that he is christ or mary.

God bless u.

Now someone asking u to draw closer to Christ is now a false angel, wait are u sure u aren't just a bench warmer

Remove false miracles from ur churches and trust me 3/4 of u protestants will turn pagans

misreal:
the church sir.if you read your bible regularly,you would have discovered that the church is the gathering of brethren which does not portray any form of denominationalism.

The more I read posts by dumb people who are confused like u I shake my head, what does 2nd Thess 2:15 say and what does John 21:25 say may ur eyes be opened

HBD MAMA, thank you for all the graces, Ave Maria

Faith without good works is dead and good works without faith is dead both need to be together only then do it have life

Abeg as a bini man having studied culture of bini people I can boldly say the following

Igbo race, republic of Benin, yoruba were all under the control of the Bini empire, although yorubas were considered as allies, as at the 14the century d bini empire fell after a strong war against the British government after which the binis surrendered after heavy duty massacre and a peace treaty was put in place Dats why u see bini as small these days.

Bini as a language was never spread reason being that it's hard to learn plus intonation isn't easily copied and most especially was used to identify true binis.

if u doubt Google onitsha market origin and d meaning of Eko

OLAADEGBU:
Good works will never grant anyone salvation it is only after you have been saved by grace which is by faith alone that your works will then count.

Why are u confusing urself

Are u saying that if someone now does bad works but still believes in Christ that he will make heaven

Bro ur own type of Christianity here doesn't agree with the bible

We are saved by grace true but u cannot continue in sin and expect grace to keep sticking out for u.

Now let me explain Grace for u because u confuse it

From d moment Adam sinned he was cut off from partaking in fellowship with God, but still God tried to help the human race, he taught man how to make sacrifices for atonements and supplication that was their type of graces in early Israel, Jesus came and one and for all paid with his blood and so we keep tapping from that sole sacrifice to attain grace dats why grace never finishes, the bible says cut off from Christ u can do nothing, and with Christ all things are possible. A repentance sinner attains grace when atonement for sins is done and a striving Christian continues in grace. Although each time he does bad works he tries to detach from Christ

OLAADEGBU:
What do you think?



Will you warn a person who is driving at high speed towards a blown up bridge of the impending danger ahead?

What gives you the notion that all Catholics will go to hell

Paul says work out ur salvation with fear and trembling and not judging and condemnation, Catholics create laws for themselves and print them in their thoughts to guide them a chastened life is much more better than a care-free one.

OLAADEGBU:
It is simply by believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour alone.

Go and re-read ur bible from the starting of genesis to end at revelation everything was about God and neighbor.
Even the ten commandments were about God and neighbor it is so glaring that when the rich man asked Jesus "what must I do to be saved" and Jesus replied him "have u obeyed all the commandments of God" and d man replied " from his youth, and Jesus told him "go sell all you have and give the money to the poor and come follow me" and yet bible says the man went away sad (Matthew 19:16-26), so u see it's not just believing alone and like Paul said u must have faith and good works, U can't be a Christian and go and hide, no one lights a fire and put it under a basket.
So hope u understand