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Gartol:
typical you I was discussing contradictions with the other brother if I can remember you quoted a verse and an hadith regarding war I answered your questions correctly. Why are you avoiding my questions? I asked why was jesus baptized you didn't answer I quoted Luke you never gave any explanation and you want me to keep answering your questions. Clarify what is on ground first before we can move on

Hahaha... stop trying to run faster than your shadow.

In the case of Luke 18, did said you should make more clearly, so can understand the point you're driving at,,, since we are talking about contradictions.

Asked a question, after I must have answered you, I will also asked you mine.

Remember, we are talking about contradictions.

Don't be in hurry, nobody is running, we are all here!

Gartol:
how can I copy and paste when you have the whole of Quran with you. When you want to malign you removed a context and quote. Now when it comes to explanation you asking me to paste. Brother you are funny.

When I quoted Luke I explained right from the beginning of the context I didn't just pick a verse . I did that all by myself. I quoted when the man came to jesus and his reply I think you should do the same start from surah 40vs 1 to the same verse 55 and even to 60

Sorry, our argument on Sura 40:55 has nothing to do with verse 1-55 or 60.

We are talking about Sura 40:55
Allah SWT said:

فَاصْبِرْ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنۢبِكَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ بِالْعَشِىِّ وَالْإِبْكٰرِ
"So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning."
(QS. Ghafir 40: Verse 55)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

The above Quranic verse says, Muhammad should ask for forgiveness for his SIN.

Not the people, but his own sin.

Meedon:
Blasphemy against the Holy Prophet

I'm still waiting for your response.
Challenge me base on every Quranic and Hadith I posted about your Prophet.

Give us an example of his act we must follow with Quranic verses or Hadith to support your claims.

Sunan an-Nasa'i book 2: Hadith No2
Your prophet had ablution from a well with dead dogs bodies, menstrual rags and other dirty things thrown into. (Can you imagine how stinky that water will be?)

Can you follow your Prophet to do that?

I'm still waiting on what we would do after we repent and follow your Prophet.

Gartol:
brother I have answered your question over and over again. I told you to read the context of the surah. Allah was speaking to the unbelievers you are quoting out of context. How do you want me to explain more than this. I said in the previous verse the unbelievers refused to listen to Muhammed, so Allah warns them that they should repent for there comes a day when repentance will not be accepted. They comes this verse which said prophet should be patient. But if they repent verily Allah is merciful he would forgive.

You are the one beating around the Bush the verses before these ones are there for you to read.


And may I ask you why was jesus(Pbuh) baptized, I thought he is sinless what's the point of washing a cloth that is neat already and I pose a question in my former answer also. Why did jesus say why call me good? Does he mean he is bad? I am quoting from your scripture .

Please, kindly copy and paste the the question you answered me base on Sura 40:55.

Then, we can move-on on whatever questions you may have.

Thanks.

Gartol:
Luke 18:18-20 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me GOOD? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

I am a student of comparative religion and I read with context. When the ruler call jesus(pbuh) Good master. And he said why call me Good? Does he mean is bad? Absolutely No. To understand the meaning of scriptures you need to read between the lines. I didn't just pick up a verse because I read the whole context.

And jesus replied him there is only one Good and that is God in heaven. And if you want to enter eternal life obey the commandments.

Then the next verse he pointed out the commandments : thou shall not steal, honour your father and mother, no adultery, etc
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

Brother, you more like deviating from what we should be talking about.

"We should be talking about contradictions"

Every human being born of a man and a woman is sinner, and none is good.

If we are to dig deeper, Your will agree with me only Christ Jesus is Holy based on Quran Sura 19.

Though I don't understand what you are trying to bring up based on Luke 18.

You can still make it more clear.
Allah SWT said:

اللَّهُ الَّذِى خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوٰى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ  ۖ مَا لَكُمْ مِّنْ دُونِهِۦ مِنْ وَلِىٍّ وَلَا شَفِيعٍ  ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَذَكَّرُونَ
"It is Allah who created the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them in six days; then He established Himself above the Throne. You have not besides Him any protector or any intercessor; so will you not be reminded?"
(QS. As-Sajda 32: Verse 4)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

My first contradictions from the Quran is Sura 32:4.

How many days did Allah create the world?

Allah said six days, but it was not actually six days.

Gartol:
lol brother I have answered now read the context. Read 3 verses before. So be patient oh Muhammed. 3 verses before Allah was talking about unbelievers that doesn't want to repent. He them gave moses as an example I'm the next verse. Then he said he should be patient for the word of God is true.

But if they come to terms and ask for forgiveness verily, the should ask for forgiveness of sin and praise Allah in the day and night.

In the next verse after that Allah talked about those who will argue. He is talking to the unbelievers. That's why I said read the context start from the first verse

You have actually not answered.

Kindly explain to me Sura 40:55
That's all I need.

Allah SWT said:

فَاصْبِرْ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنۢبِكَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ بِالْعَشِىِّ وَالْإِبْكٰرِ
"So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning."
(QS. Ghafir 40: Verse 55)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

You not even make an attempt to answer...

Meedon:
Blasphemy against the Holy Prophet

You're simply clueless.
I was thinking you are going to challenge me base on the Hadith or Quran Sura I quoted.

If you're ready to take me, I can challenge with more facts...

Gartol:
you are quoting out of context read 3 verses before that. Allah was talking to Mohammed regarding the unbelievers. Which said 3 verses before that the people should leave idol worship. It further says on the day of judgement there won't be more forgiveness as regards those who worship idols. Them come the next verse that says they should ask for forgiveness.

Read context when reading Quran it is very important

Thanks for response.
Explain Sura 40:55 to me.

Allah SWT said:

فَاصْبِرْ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنۢبِكَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ بِالْعَشِىِّ وَالْإِبْكٰرِ
"So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning."
(QS. Ghafir 40: Verse 55)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Gartol:
I have read the bible. And i can point out hundred of contradictions from it. I have been challenging You but you have not been accepting my challenge. To proof to me that Quran is wrong point out a single verse that contradicts. Just ONE.


Can God contradict himself? Can he?
So how do you believe in a book that have gotten many contradictions

I am taking up the challenge...

I will tell you that the Holy Bible has Zero Contradictions.

But rather, I will give you contradictions from the Quran.

Remember, Your god said in Sura 4:82
Allah SWT said:

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْءَانَ  ۚ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِنْدِ غَيْرِ اللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا فِيهِ اخْتِلٰفًا كَثِيرًا
"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 82)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

My question to you, if we find contradictions from the Quran, what will you do?

Remember, the true God can't contradict Himself.

I will also answer any questions you have from the Holy Bible.

Meedon:
If you dont repent and follow Mohammed (SAW) Ja - anama awaits you


And Al-janah will be far away from you

Did you just say, "Repent and follow Muhammad"?

How can a sinner repent only to follow another sinner?

Sunan an-Nasa'i book
36 Hadith No 21

Muhammad your Prophet had sex with a lady that is not his wife.

Sura 40:55
Your prophet was told to asked for forgiveness for his SIN

Sura 48:2 and Sura 47:19 also made such references of asking for forgiveness.

Your prophet made an attack on a settlement called "Bani al mustaliq"

He killed the men of that area and took the Women and Children of his victims.

What example exactly of your Prophet do you want us to follow?

TOPCRUISE:
I taught Corona is the cause of the crash

It's not "directly" the cause, but it's also the cause.

Sodiquinone:
what's proscribe

proscribe

/prə(ʊ)ˈskrʌɪb/

verb

forbid, especially by law.

"strikes remained proscribed in the armed forces"

synonyms: forbid, prohibit, ban, bar, disallow, rule out, embargo, veto, make illegal, interdict, outlaw, taboo

lol,stop quoting what u dont understand, give me just a verse in d Bible that says Christians should go to church on Sunday.. I know u can't, bcs it doesn't exist

You should have known I made mistake of typing "proscribed" in instead of "prescribed" as it is correctly written in the Hadith, (Sahih al-bukhari Book 60:153)

Now that it's prescribed and not proscribed what will you do...?

Sodiquinone:
Surah Al-Jinn, Verse 11:
وَأَنَّا مِنَّا الصَّالِحُونَ وَمِنَّا دُونَ ذَٰلِكَ كُنَّا طَرَائِقَ قِدَدًا

And that some of us(jinn) are good and others of us are below that: we are sects following different ways:


Jinn as no interpretation in English, interpreting it to devil always is wrong.The hadith didn't say jinn is devil,its the wrong interpretation u are Sharing that said it,,ignorance is really a disease

Hahaha...
Sura 18:50
Says, Satan is of jinn...

Sodiquinone:
No where did the Bible tell u to go to church on Sunday... stay in ur house.

How comes did your god said "Sunday is proscribed for the Christian".?

According to Sahih al-bukhari Book 60 Hadith No 153.

Who proscribed the Sunday as a day of worship for the Christian?

Sodiquinone:
jinn doesn't always mean devil..yes we have Muslims and Christians among the jinns.if u want to quote anything in Islam at least be fair and stop telling lies

The Hadith I quoted from says, Jinn is Devil...!

See below...

iammo:


and so? are Christians deliberately ignorant

Matthew 6:5-13

“And now about prayer. When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I assure you, that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father secretly. Then your Father, who knows all secrets, will reward you.

“When you pray, don't babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think prayers are answered only by repeating words over and over again. Don't be like them, because your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored. May your Kingdom come soon. May your will be done here on earth, just as it is in heaven. Give us our food for today, and forgive us our sins, just as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us. And don't let us yield to temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.”



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Nice one...

Sodiquinone:
senseless bullshit crap

The Devil in you actually speaks through you.

Sahih Muslims
Book 52:62

Made it very clear that, All Muslims have the Devil attached to him.

Even your Prophet said, the devil only command him to do good.

Is there such thing as good devil?

Can the devil command you to do good?

No! The works of Satan is evil, and I actually don't expect you to speak good...

You must speak like someone who has a devil living in him.

ShugaFly:
You can now check your Call up letter on the NYSC portal
Cross River Corp Member
Kindly share yours and let’s connect

Good morning, please, my wife also registered for the Batch A, but a message on her dashboard says "sorry, Your are not on the first stream".

Please, when is the second stream?

Agboriotejoye:
Why do asalatu sing and dance if it is haram?

Jesus did not need to sing and dance. His disciples did. He is to be worshipped in singing and dancing as the savior of the whole world.

You're right... Your response gives me joy...

More wisdom...

Agboriotejoye:
There's nothing in all those verses you quoted that says one should not play music. As a matter of fact,

Mary the mother of Jesus Christ sang after the birth of the saviour Luke 1:46
His Apostles sang hymns on the day of Pentecost and even in jail which led to their deliverance Acts 16:25
Songs and music are being played in heaven according to revelations rev15:3

God bless you brother...

Agboriotejoye:
What!! Confusion everywhere

Hahaha...

That's Islam for you.

In another Hadith, Angels where singing praises to Allah...

But Muslims said, singing is Haram (sin)

In Islam, having sex outside marriage is a Sin,

But Muhammad their prophet had sex with a lady who is not his wife.

Read Sunan an-Nasa'i book 36 Hadith No 21

Whatsoever a Muslim tells you is a Sin, just make a little research about it, just to exposed them.

Christian should wakeup and start exposing these people...

Whatever logic a Muslim brings to you, just used his logic again him, you will see him running from pillar to post to defend his very logic.

Agboriotejoye:
Why do asalatu sing and dance if it is haram?

Jesus did not need to sing and dance. His disciples did. He is to be worshipped in singing and dancing as the savior of the whole world.

You don't need to go that far...

Their prophet Muhammad had musical instruments in his house.

Just ask them that...

See below for the Hadith

fortran12:
You are known to just Google and quote things out of context, have you read any of the above verses yourself?

Don't Allow the Muslims to confused you with sensless talk...

They said having musical instruments or singing is bad in Islam, but there was musical instruments in their prophet house.

And two young girls where singing in his house.

Read Sahih al-bukhari Book 13:4

Or read below as I will post you the Hadith.

Here what Christ Jesus said to such people

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=audiobible.kingjamesbibleaudio

AntiChristian:
See the uncouth people above me?

Parents are truly failing!

Musical Instruments is haram in Islam!

Hahaha...

Funny Muslims...

Your prophet had musical instruments in his house and singing was going on in his house by two girls.

Read Sahih al-bukhari Book 13 Hadith No 4.

Read what Jesus Christ the ONLY true Saviour is saying to you guys below...

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=audiobible.kingjamesbibleaudio

Have more facts to challenge you with base on the above topic.

chatinent:
Stepping-stones to disintegration.

Nigeria has already been disintegrated in our hearts long ago...

They kept postponing the physical disintegration...

blackboy:
This is not fake news. In the north hate speech is accepted so long as it promotes a certain religion.

If we are honest with ourselves this is not fake news but the bitter truth.

Let's see if this will make FP or be trashed.

You're right, I was born and raised in Kano, I have experienced all that...

AntiChristian:


Christian kinda sex!

What other kind of sex exists?

But why end with your church advert?
Hoping for recruits or are you a fisher of men from other denominations?

The OP caption is faulty...
According to the teaching of Christ, Sex is to be enjoyed by those who are married.

It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’

6 So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.”

Matthew 19:5-6

Only where Christ allow divorce, is when ones partner is caught in the act of adultery...

So, sexual immorality is a great sin.

Sodiquinone:
A christian should be like Christ, and guess what he never had sex throughout his life,so Christians should nt be having sex,,,but for topics like this they run to old testament .Abeg tell us what Jesus himself said about sex

Jesus has repeatedly spoke against sexual immorality or sex outside marriage.

It's called adultery!
And every believer must abstain from every form of immoral acts.

Jesus was busy teaching good morals,
While Muhammad was busy having sex with a lady who is not his wife
Sunan an-Nasa'i book 36:21

Finally, a lady poison your Prophet to death
Sahih al-bukhari
64:450

AntiChristian:
I know you will bring another as soon as one is countered! Na your blood lies and misconception dey!



In Kitaab al-Fitan (The Book of Tribulations, 7125), from the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah (may Allaah be pleasaed with him), who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The feeling of terror of the Dajaal will not enter Madeenah. At that time it will have seven gates, at each of which will be two angels.”

Which shows that the hadith is part of the signs of the last hour as Dajjal is to come then!



You will die whenever you are destined to die! And there's nothing you can do to prevent yourself from death!
You believe your God was hanged to death on a cross right?

Yes, the Prophet ate poison from a Jewish woman which affected him and he died about four years later at almost 63 years!
Even if Ajwah dates can prevent you from poison it won't stop death from killing you!

And if he wasn't poisoned he would have died from something else! Death na death!

Just as your God had not the power not to die on the cross! He died at 33 right? Hanged & killed by his creations?

When will Jehovah answer this prayer of Jesus?
[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Hahaha...

"Just as your god had not the power not to die... died at 33..."

Let me make one thing very clear to you,

When we Christians say, Jesus died on the Cross, we mean the body God occupied died, but God can't die...

Sahih Muslims
45:152
Says your god Allah created man in His image.

Sahih al-bukhari
97:65 says
Allah has a shape, and he also changed from shape A to B.

Now my question, when your god changed from shape A to B, where will he keep the shape A?

AntiChristian:
Can you quote where the time the angels will be posted to Medina was stated?

Two things were mentioned in the hadith Plagues and Dajjal. If the plagues had come to medina then where is Dajjal?



This funny! Do you know the preveious date of death of Musa and the new date it was changed to?

Angels appear to humans in human form hence Musa was able to do that.

He actually died at the exact time meant for him to die!

The Angel of Death was sent to Moses when he came to Moses, Moses slapped him on the eye. The angel returned to his Lord and said, "You have sent me to a Slave who does not want to die." Allah said, "Return to him and tell him to put his hand on the back of an ox and for every hair that will come under it, he will be granted one year of life." Moses said, "O Lord! What will happen after that?" Allah replied, "Then death." Moses said, "Let it come now." Moses then requested Allah to let him die close to the Sacred Land so much so that he would be at a distance of a stone's throw from it." Abu Huraira added, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, 'If I were there, I would show you his grave below the red sand hill on the side of the road."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3407
In-book reference : Book 60, Hadith 80
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 619

Hi, good day!

With due respect to you, I think you find it very difficult to understand simple english.

I'm also not very good in English language, but I I clearly understand this very one we are talking about.

Sahih Muslims
15:554 says

"There are at the approaches of Medina angels"

Sir, if I tell you, there are at the approaches of Aso Rock Villa Soldiers.

Its simply means the soldiers are there as we speak, since I never said there "was" or "There "will be" soldiers...

Lets not add or take anything from the Hadith.
...............................................................................
Sahih al-bukhari 60:80
Quoting the whole Hadith actually can't change anything...

The Angel of death was sent to Prophet Musa, and the Angel was expected to take his life that very moment, but Musa had to punch the Angel in the eye...

Therefore, Musa changed the minute, hour and time of his death, since the Angel could not take his life that moment...

The true God knows the time, minutes and hour of our death and no man can over power or changed that.

........

AntiChristian:
I know you will bring another as soon as one is countered! Na your blood lies and misconception dey!



In Kitaab al-Fitan (The Book of Tribulations, 7125), from the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah (may Allaah be pleasaed with him), who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The feeling of terror of the Dajaal will not enter Madeenah. At that time it will have seven gates, at each of which will be two angels.”

Which shows that the hadith is part of the signs of the last hour as Dajjal is to come then!



You will die whenever you are destined to die! And there's nothing you can do to prevent yourself from death!
You believe your God was hanged to death on a cross right?

Yes, the Prophet ate poison from a Jewish woman which affected him and he died about four years later at almost 63 years!
Even if Ajwah dates can prevent you from poison it won't stop death from killing you!

And if he wasn't poisoned he would have died from something else! Death na death!

Just as your God had not the power not to die on the cross! He died at 33 right? Hanged & killed by his creations?

When will Jehovah answer this prayer of Jesus?
[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Wow! You have raised quite interesting topics.

But I will be taking you on one or two for now, I will look into the rest tomorrow.

Our previous chats on Sahih Muslims 15 Hadith No 554 was never countered.

Kindly understand that, Angels have already been stationed around Medina to protect it from disease. Even if it was for end time purposes, it can't change the fact that the Angel were already there, and they allow the plague in...

You will only be contradicting this Hadith by countering it with another Hadith.

Your Second Point
You will die whenever you're destined to die!

Are you sure?

The Angel of death was sent to Prophet Musa to take his life, but he fought him and punched him in the eye, and the Angel ran away after losing one of his eyes..

Therefore Musa changed the date that was destined for his death! Allah gave him the option to choose a new date for his death and your god need to update his record for the new date...
Sahih al-bukhari
60:80.

To be continued on... Jesus dead at 33 and John 17:20-23