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AmazonTopaz:
Lol stop repeating the same thing argue with something more factual don't tell me about Nigerian law that I know of.

If life was truly sacred we would not have security agencies who will have to kill people to defend others we would not have defences to murder.

A foetus is not a baby and can not be in the same category as us. Abortion is not infanticide I support a woman's rights to make decisions concerning her womb and a foetus below viability what I would not support is infanticide or late term abortions without proper medical procedure and reason.
Saying that abortion is killing unborn babies is not really a sound argument some of you think it is.

I should be one telling you to stop repeating the same thing...

Fotus simply means UNBORN CHILD or a DEVELOPING BABY.

Yes , even a new born baby is still developing, stop confusing yourself.

Is it a criminal act to KILL unborn baby in Nigeria,

Remember, it's a 14 years jail sentence...

AmazonTopaz:
They are not babies it is a foetus don't distort biology something that has not been born is not a baby neither does it breath.

Crimes are punished if someone is being harmed abortion is not harming anybody because you can simply not get to make decisions for a woman on how she should handle her body get that through your head.

Abortion is simply taking the life of unborn babies,

It's a criminal act to KILL.

That's why there's a 14 years jail sentence for those killers in Nigeria.

Life is sacred, we must not KILL at Will.

Thank God it's a criminal act here.

AmazonTopaz:
Who said anything changed about it the point is that it happens and women are subjected to practices harmful to their health so the best option is to legalise it as Benin republic did last year so that instead of women having to die from undergoing it they get qualified medical personnel to attend to them because making abortions illegal in the first place does not stop it it only stops access to safe abortions hope you get it now.

You mean they should make the killing of unborn babies legal...?

Maybe other crimes should be made legal too, How about that?

AmazonTopaz:
Lol instead of pointing out how it has been enforced you could not you only validated my point that the law is moot you think it is easy to arrest someone for committing an abortion anywhere in the world lol.


Nobody is telling you to do an abortion let those with the problem deal with it themselves sometimes it is better to mind your business since you so much love children like I do contribute to getting children out of poverty and outside school instead of policing women's wombs

Like said earlier, just because some crimes go unoticed or unknown doesn't mean it's now legal....

Killing unborn babies still remain a criminal act! Nothing changed!!!

AmazonTopaz:
The police that is why I am asking you if you have seen the police charge any woman for abortion in Nigeria it is not common but there are reports that abortions happen in Nigeria using the back door hope you get it now?
Laws are nothing without enforcement so my point is abortion is not really a big deal in Nigeria because it happens and I am yet to see many cases apart from very old cases relating to abortions.

Understand the context and stop comparing apples to oranges in a nutshell you have no idea.

You know the enforcer of the law, but you where busy asking me who will enforced it...

As I said earlier, simply because OUR system here is corrupt, doesn't mean the law has been ERASED.

Abortion is done in secret, there's no hospital that's boldly written Abortion Clinic.

The police kept arresting the killer doctors, but the corrupt system kept freeing them.

So many crimes happen in this country, and the culprits kept walking freely...

That's the corrupt system I am talk about.

All these crimes and killings won't be possible in a working system.

It is still a criminal act to KILL unborn baby, the failure of the system doesn't mean law has been ERASED.

AmazonTopaz:
Try not to be a clown how many women have you seen in jail for getting an abortion in Nigeria you think that issues as private as that are easy to prosecute

Hahahahaha...

I was thinking you will answer my question?

Who enforced the law or jail sentence for murderer?

I don't need stories!!!

AmazonTopaz:
Laws exist who is enforcing them

Know this and know peace, the right of the unborn can never be substantial over the mother even in countries where it is illegal that is why it is permissible if the woman's life is in danger so take that to the bank the so called rights can be taken away from them if the mother wishes to if it could not be taken away they would be viable upon conception in fact they have no business in the womb then they would just be born

Also know this banning abortions only bans safe abortions it will continue to happen even in Nigeria and its imaginary years of imprisonment on paper

Funny question, "Law exist and who is enforcing them"

Who enforced the law for jail sentence of murderers before?

Hahahahaha....

AmazonTopaz:
You are not getting the point,right to live at the detriment of who?self defence is a right as well why on earth do you think that even in countries where abortions are illegal the mother has a right to terminate the pregnancy if she will die as a result of it, the life of the mother Is substantial over the child and as long as the child is in her womb it is her choice to do what she wants with it the child does not have a right to live at the detriment of the mother that is why in delicate procedures they pick the mother over the child so get that through your head that a preborn does not have the same rights available to the born/living if it did it would be educated or have a census conducted on it while still in the womb many rights available to the born would be available to it but it is not if the child had a life from the womb then why miscarriages,still births why does the child not attain viability upon conception?
Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion but understand that other women have a right to it if you are so loving about kids help the ones born already and stop worrying about the preborn who may not attain 9 months

Take it from me it only exist on paper you seem not to have heard of spontaneous abortions that are miscarriages that is one of the reason why it should be legalised ask your government if they have done anything for the born child that they are concerned about the unborn, we need to fight the hypocrisy because abortions happen in Nigeria and women hardly go to jail for it anyway so legalise it so that quacks don't destroy women's wombs let the professionals do it


Listen and listen good the rights of the unborn can never truncate the rights of the mother or father the people whom the child would be born to.It is the duty of the woman to decide that even rights are limited where your rights starts someone's own ends there so if you think the unborn has a higher right to life than the mothers right to personal liberty(choice) then you are just deceiving yourself there are even available defences to murder not so rights are not always black and white.

Actually if a child with a disability that will affect the life of the mother/father that will go ahead and wreck them financially then by all means they should terminate the pregnancy don't be sentimental use your head to think you think it is easy to take care of some disabled children you think everyone has the finances or luxury to do such?
Nobody is killing the disabled who have been born because rights are given to the born not the unborn in fact instead of government being concerned about the womb affairs of women they should try and help the didabled people because some of them have already been abandoned by their loved ones and family.
Truly pathetic situation

Hahahahaha...
You just claimed the law is only on paper, but you initially claimed the unborn baby doesn't have any right!!

Now you admits they have, but only on paper!!!

That doesn't change the fact that the law exists in our constitution.

I know our system is corrupt, but that doesn't change the fact that such law exists.

It's a criminal act to KILL unborn children, and it remains 14 years imprisonment BECAUSE IT'S the right child to live and not killed.

I will repeat again, yes, unborn babies have rights, and no one can take that right from them.

AmazonTopaz:
I will reiterate again a baby has life and rights when it has been born or has gotten to the stage of viability it cannot be made to super impose on the mother it is the woman's choice to keep the pregnancy.A baby and mother or in this case the preborn are two separate entities and a woman should never be forced to keep a pregnancy she does not want especially when the man gets to work away free.

Of course I love babies and I don't support infanticide

You cannot kill your baby that is for you let other women get to decide what works for them they argue that it is not killing but the termination of a cell.
If the foetus is going to be a burden by all means we should do what is necessary some of them don't even survive to the due date so let me hear word about a life that is not certain and may be subject to undue hardship and injustices when born.
Not every child deserves to be born some may come with disabilities and diseases that becomes a burden to the economic reality of the mother or father if you or the government cannot provide an enabling environment to help them then by all means they should do what is necessary some children suffering today would wish they were never born.

Baby doesn't only have right when he/she's born.

The right of the baby begins in the womb, and that's the RIGHT TO LIVE!!!

In Nigeria here, If you KILL an unborn child, it will earn you a jail sentence of up to 14 Years imprisonment,

Because abortion simply means the termination of another persons life, therefore, the unborn babies have rights and their right start before they're born.

Secondly, just because some unborn children have disabilities doesn't mean we should kill them,

Just as we can't go around and start killing people with disabilities...

AmazonTopaz:
Stop conflating things focuses don't breath, life starts when a child is born abortion is not the same thing as infanticide and when a child is born he/she has inalienable rights because they are now viable and no longer under the dictate of the mother to decide for the two year old.

Life does not start at conception if it did the foetus would be viable at convention and would not be at risk of miscarriages or still births.
Go and read science and stop reasoning from your head about what you don't know

Science agrees life start at conception!

The foetus is a developing baby, just as a new born baby is also a developing child.

Both are not VIABLE since they are still developing.

A new born baby can't walk, sit or understand things around because he/she is still developing.

I could remember when my wife was pregnant for my daughter, and how the baby kept kicking her so hard in the womb...

I can't imagine killing her in the womb simply because I have the power to kill her.

We must not take the life of any baby just because we are more powerful.

AmazonTopaz:
When a child is born his/her life starts when they start breathing.

They may or may not have a right to live but their right does not take precedence or substantially over the mother's it is her choice and no one is forcing your to have abortions allow women make their choices.

You can see how woefully you failed to explain to me WHEN DOES LIFE START.

Is it also the mother's choice to kill her 2 years old child?

LIFE START AT CONCEPTION not after birth, just as we shouldn't remove oxygen from a sick man to kill him in the hospital, we must not also terminate the life of the vulnerable child.

AmazonTopaz:
They are not, stop arguing illogically even in the womb natural abortions happen you cannot call something human when you cannot do a census for it or apply basic things humans get to a foetus in the womb that may or may not survive.

Is the foetus breathing like we do in the womb?yes or no?
Why isn't it called a foetus already since it is human and has not been born.Unless you believe that life starts at conception which is not even scientifically true I don't know what to say to you.

Nobody is forcing you to have abortions so stop making decisions for women who want to have it

If you are claim life doesn't start at conception, when does life start?

I repeat, we should not KILL the unborn babies, they also have right to live.

when does human life begins?

Heartbroken05:
Good morning nairaland families.

I have been in a relationship with my gf for the past 8years and this year I planned to Marry her.

Last year, I took her to my sis to learn her business which she did and my sis showed her everything in 3 months, which should have take upto a year for someone to complete learning. I begged my sis to show everything about the business and take her to where she buy her goods. I finally opened a shop for her after 3 months and she started doing well.

There is this a guy she usually talk to but always tell me he is just a mere friend who makes her laugh only not until recently I suspected something must be attached. I had argument with her this December which resulted slapping her slightly twice. I really felt bad and quickly apologize and also told my people to beg her on my behalf.

But since then she has been acting so strangely, so recently, I call this my girl and the guy pick up and told me she is busy and I should not call her anymore, I was shocked and think this is actually a joke, he told me he knows I'm dating her and he is dating her also and nothing I can do. I was really heart broken and down that day.

But she later chat me that it's nothing to worry about. So recently, I went to pray about this and it was revealed this guy has charmed my GF and he is planning to destroy her. Four different spiritual people said same thing that the girl has been charmed and they had turn her against me by this guy.

I know I shud move on but i really love my gf and I don't want her to regret this later, as I was told she will eventually see the reality soon and will definitely wants to come back. I'm just so sad this is happening to me right now.

Please do you think I should fight this to the end or just leave and watch how this guy will destroy her. The guy has nothing and has been collecting money from her and even tell her to leave the shop I rented for her also.

Leave the girl and move on...

You may not understand the extend of what that guy has done or how far he has gone just to have her.

If you try to push further, the guy may still do something worser than what he has done already, and this time around, you maybe personally affected.

I telling you out of experience.

This same thing happened to me in 2015 with the girl I was supposed to marry.

But today, glory be to God, I now got married to a 21 year old girl(now 23). more beautiful, educated and hard working girl.

And God has blessed my marriage with two kids, a boy and a girl.

Take note, your girlfriend already gave the guy in question the opportunity to have her as a friend, by being close to the guy,

And the guy grabbed everything and even more.

Don't follow the part that guy has taken...

Pray and allow the will of God be done.

AmazonTopaz:
They are not killing them go and learn simple biology a foetus under 24 weeks is not viable and arguably cannot be murder.It is not all pregnancies that survives some are stillborn and miscarried or come with medical impediments are you saying that their life was taken itself by the womb since they are already human?
If you cannot provide solutions for somebody don't make decisions for them.
That is why I am telling you to be practical not everyone believes in your views about abortions and the law is not necessarily a police on morality abortion is not murder according to some and it does not make it so because your religion tells you so.
If you cannot provide or take responsibility for a child then don't force people into having them and that human life quote is quite subjective because there are state-sanctioned murders, and so forth so sometimes taking someone's life even in self defence could be necessary that argument is quite flawed

Simply because a baby is not viable at week 24 doesn't mean the baby should be killed.

At week 5 the baby's blood vessels begin to form and pump blood.

At week 6 the baby heart is already beating.

We should never take their lives.

They are human already.

AmazonTopaz:
In the USA abortion is very much legal also in the USA some foster homes are not well funded and the children inadequately taken care of same here in Nigeria where they could be subject to abuse.How many Nigerians even adopt these kids?

Some scientists would argue that it is not murder it is a contentious issue but it is a solution for some women and the choices should be made by them.


Abortions should be legalised because it is not about your morality or views of it being murder but rather an economic and social issue of the reality of some people that they cannot be able to cater for children who will likely not be attended to by the government.

When married women commit abortions which sin did they commit or you don't know that married women have abortions too you people should be very practical

So you mean, simply because some parents can't cater for their baby, the best thing to do is to KILL the them?

Just because one is a legally married woman doesn't give one the right to take the life of another human.

It's a sin to take the life of another human, even if is your baby.

paulolee:
that previous was in calabar n now zamfara, but some people would keep playing tribalism cards forgetting dt it happens everywhere..
such cases like this is a result of poverty n hard living conditions in the country n i think abortion should be legalized in some cases..

Why should abortion be legalised? why will an innocent child be killed for the sins of others?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EB5DZNVlm0

L1TTLE:
I've been dating her for over three months now, first day I saw her I didn't like her or anything, I just did some biz with her, had a short Convo and left, so along the line we got familiar and we exchanged contacts, went on a casual date, then she painted herself as a God fearing girl, who don't want anything with guys, then I asked her how come her relationship status isn't single on fb, she said she put that to deter guys, I was wondering what she's doing with me since I'm also a guy then she gave me a shocker, that immediately she saw me she knew God want us to be a thing.

Honestly I'm not a God guy, I'm not religious at all, but I have good morals, I have been single for long so I decided to give it a go and we started dating.

not long after that she came to my place, and one thing led to the other and we had sex, it was a very foolish mistake I made because we agreed not to indulge, at least for like three months, and barely two weeks into the relationship we had sex, then I started noticing changes, first she became possessive, like she always wants to know what I am doing, who I am with, where I am at, and I hate that, I don't like feeling like someone owns me but she would always throw a tantrum when I point that out.

Things started going bad for me, financially I was failing here and there, it was a clusterfvck, bad luck everywhere, but I didn't think she was the cause because like I said, I'm not religious, I just believed it's just trying times they come and go, but it started shortly after the sex, I'm just stating it because it's significant.

Second, she calls herself a goddess, at first I thought it was this self appraisal thing girls do, I discovered it's not self appraisal at all, her birth name is some kind of deity where she's from, at this point I started wondering what I got myself into like she's all over me, I can't breathe, I sat her down and tried to talk to her that maybe we should breakup, she started crying and guilt tripped me into having sex with her, and since then whenever she comes around it's always sex, like I'm tired of it now, I will resist and she'll do things, touch me in places and I'll be aroused in seconds, for someone who claimed she's not into sex, she's a vixen on bed, I feel like I don't even know her anymore, lastly I have terrible nightmares now, and it's always sexual, that wasn't the case before I met her, right now I can't think of a way to free myself from her shackles, I just want to undo everything, make everybody dey him dey.

I once fell into a relationship with a lady that has a spiritual husband...

I suffered the consequences of that immoral relationship for 7 Years...

The first time slept with this girl was Friday 14 September 2012...

I became sick from the very hour I was done sleeping with her...

I spent almost 100,000 thousand naira trying to treat an illness that doesn't exist.

I went for different medical test and check up, yet, doctors couldn't find anything, from one hospital to another, yet, the story remain the same...

I almost gave up on life,

At a point, she called me and told to stop wasting my money on medical check up, that I should meet a Pastor,

I tried to avoid this girl in question, but I couldn't, I kept going to her place and also inviting her to come my place...

To cut the long story short, because I can't just type all here...

Our God and Saviour Jesus Healed, after I met my Pastor,

He said to me, Repent and accept Christ, and every thing will be fine...

Glory to God, today, I am FREE....

From around November 2019 to date, I have never had any sexual relationship.

God maybe have allow this to happen to you just to bring you closer to Himself...

Pasima:
I told my girlfriend to post my pics on her Whatsapp profile and she refused to do so, but I post hers telling the world how proud I am to have her.

I was very angry I want to end the Relationship. You see all this Catholics girls na now I fear them wella. Full of games and cheating.

What do you mean by the word "Catholic girls"?

Is it a denominational thing?

KingOKON:
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Better to embezzle at state level than take it to Abuja to chop and clean mouth, all those big men pikin for FIRS go find new work

God bless you...

canalily:
They will still collect and embezzle it... Smiles this time with force

It's better for states to collect it and embezzled than for federal government to collect it and embezzled...

At least, the states will still benefit more than leaving it for the FG.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
This is serious tho..
Putin put your ego and pride down then tell your army to retreat..stop hurting your economy cos of your selfish interest..
Stop listening to your puppets on here who are hyping you..

I pity the average Russians who are in tears right now..most are really feeling the heat...
You deserve what's happening to you cos no sane being will act the way you did..
Some said Ukraine will fall by Sunday (DoggoneBoy) and some others ...but here they are still standing firm ambushing and taking Russia soldiers swiftly..

Where are Putin's puppet who said the sanction has no effect on Russia's economy?let's see how they plan on surviving this heavy calamity on them..
We don't want any terrorist or bloody dictators in our time..Archduke Ferdinand..Hitler.. Saddam Hussein... and some other monster taught the world a lesson and the west won't want any of those nonsense to repeat itself..

The Ukrainian military are actually not doing bad oooo...

I am even very surprised they are still standing very strong to the extent a Russian Official admits the Russian military have suffered HEAVY casualty....

athaboi:
Gen gen
I think it's even nice the west didn't send their troop there...strong Sanctions then follow it up with military equipment support for Ukraine! Ukraine is doing a great job...it will be hard for Russia to fall Kiev

You're right....

mytime24:
Op dey use marketing strategy advertise d car
To see if any nlder is interested

The car is too expensive and over priced at 2.2m...

WiszyFraud:
Did you know??



There is no single food that provides all the nutrients that humans need, except for breast milk.

Cow (breast) milk...

KashApp:
It is love...she’s the perfect woman for you....smh!! You people will see things clearly and you still be asking for advice; sometimes, it makes me feel some stories here are not real sef.

God bless you... you just said my mind!!!

Restroom:
My brother someone was killed there for rituals

My neighbor experience worse

Footprint of blood will be see around the parlour
Their last born sees spirit ...

As in they hear footsteps on ceiling

The boy see two spirits ,in white

When they are coming from outside the boy sees one of the spirit entering the house

Where the blood comes from they don't know

Live

They ran away from the house for over a month and went to stay with a friend

And later park out

While they were there, progress went down

The wife told the landlord friend
He advised her that they should park out
That he can't say anything because they belong to the same secret cults

So, that your compound is owned by a ritualist
Someone was killed there or buried there for rituals

This is especially true if the landlord don't stay in the house

A friend of mine also rented such apartments in 2015, many terrible and surprising things happens at night...

Too many that I can't begin to mention,

A new born baby was placed on the bed, and before the mum will finish what she was doing within the house and return to her child, two things happened...

*The baby died
*the child location changed, from point "a" to "b"...

People kept packing into to the beautiful and cheap(150k) 18 flates apartments and packing out...

LuQuLuQu:
Could be snakes catching and eating a rat in that house. Check well. Nothing mysterious otherwise he would have been dead by now since 2 years

With such thing repeatedly happening for two years, it can't be a snake...

Franzinni:
hmm deep the world is strange ... it sometimes lead from the rooms and sometime in the living room but this one in thethe picture is just in the living room in a straight line of aboit 12 to 15 drops

If I may ask, is it a rented apartments or the occupants own the building?

Legalcriminal:
Post your picture make we confirm before we know the solution to your confidence

Hahahahaha.....

IgbuduMonkey:
I have noticed a phenomenon over the years of Nigerian movie directors using big mansions and cars in their productions. It's okay if it helps the plot, but most times, the storyline would be perfectly depicted using a more relatable average Nigerian house and car. In American movies, you hardly see them portray superlative riches unless it's relevant to the plot.

Has any other person noticed this or it's just me?

You're right, and that why many of our populance want to live the movies kind of life in the Real world...