₦airaland Forum

BlackPikiN:
Did they join on merit? Yes or No.

If they did not, then, too bad.
As far as I know Igbo joined the Nigerian Army because they wanted to, not because Azikiwe or whatever said they should join.
The messed up Nigerian army came in full force after the war. Do you agree?
If you agree, who messed it up?

if you mean executive position then NO

if you mean the military probably yes

full force after the 1970, Haba i would think it has always been messed up since the british left.

With that said, I do not think it is healthy to keep bring the past to the present. I rather end it here.

Thanks for the discussion

bashr8:
We don hear, we igbos are evrything bad but why not just go your way rather than complaining all the time. Form odua republic nobody isngoingtomstop you

I don't want you to think of it that way. Certainly the yorubas and hausas had their own fault.

Igbos are not at all bad. I guess it was some misunderstanding somewhere in our political history.

I would rather put the blame on Nnamdi than even Ojukwu. Nnamdi to me was very myopic.

That was the past, This is the present and we can learn from the past and move forward

at the end of the day, no man is an island on it's own

BlackPikiN:
Abegi, Northerns were the ones who introduced nepotism to the core.
They filled in the army rank and file with their people and now are allotted every oil well to themselves.
You go twist so tey you no go no wetin to talk again.

No Northerners did not introduces anything. It was when Nnamdi did this polices couple with the top igbos back then who were not helping matters then the slogan was born which was "north for northerners"

The army was filled mainly with Middle-belters and Igbos back then. Very little hausa, yoruba or south-southerners back then

Go check you history. Even Ojuwku admitted to it

bashr8:
You yorubas are the most confused,ethnocentric and wicked people ,you want to be free of igbos but you don't want to be free of igbos,  make up your bleeping mind and stop complaining, as for we igbos we will continue to shout it, seperate Nigeria we are fed up of you people, gosh

you talk of ethnocentric ? when we are telling you what Nnamdi did instead of facing the issue you are calling the yorubas. How stu.pid can you people be at times

New found respect for the yoruba people. It seems like after so many years you don't understand this yoruba people but they understand you.


Major Fajuyi with whom Ironsi had served in the British Army in India. The Governor's residence called The Governor's Lodge was a heavily guarded building. Its guards numbering thirty well armed troops included Moslem troops. The idea of including Moslem troops among the guards was to demonstrate that, no animosity against Moslems existed in Ironsi's policy. So both Ironsi and Fajuyi felt quite safe. However, on the 25th of July, a contingent of heavily armed troops, all of the Northerners, speeded from a nearby Barracks to The Governors Lodge Ibadan. The time was about 8pm. Fajuyi was entertaining his guest, General Agui-Ironsi. The troops easily got access to the sitting room. Without being announced, they forced themselves into the sitting room.

They knew their victims. Without any ceremony, they ordered General Ironsi to stand up and be searched. With no struggle from Ironsi, he obeyed. One of them began to handcuff Ironsi. Fajuyi could not comprehend what was happening. "You can't do that” he bellowed.  "Why? You keep away “The most senior officer of the troops ordered Fajuyi.  “He is my guest, and you can't do that to him right in my house” "We've come to take him away” Responded one of the officers. "Take him away to where?” "That's none of your business; you keep away and sit down”, ordered the most senior of the rebel officers. But Fajuyi continued " I am a Yoruba; and we Yorubas do not allow gangsters to kidnap our guests from our home I can't let you hurt him “Fajuyi insisted. “Very well; Yoruba man; we'll teach you a lesson. We'll take both of you, “said the senior officer as he administered a hard blow on the face of Fajuyi. Then the troops pushed him and Ironsi into a waiting Land Rover. He and Ironsi were killed in a near by bush

inufele2:
Igbos are nothing but cunny domineering leeches, give a Igbo man a yard he'll take a mile. If you borrow a Igbo man something or even try to help him he'll make sure he try to take over.

this is not the time to insult or add any tribal slur

this is a thread where we can find out what went wrong.

BlackPikiN:
Who was the first mayor of enugu?
Does it ever strike to you that Professor Umaru Shehu and Professor Umaru Gomwalk were VC of UNN.
Who was the first premier of Eastern Nigeria.

so if those people employed 99 % hausas would there not be riots ?

Already where you not the people call people parasites becasue of oil. Be truthful to urself it would not hurt

bashr8:
Alhjharem your a bloody liar why where they more igbnos in civil service, armynetc back then? Was it the igbos  that positioned themselves or the British did purely by merit?  What do you call that if not competition, divide the country and end your misery now, how many more years do you want to wait before you get rid of the igbos, end your misery now and stop talking from both side of the mouth,  see we will support an all odua county and arewa  country where you can employ on yoruba s or hausas

Yep the civil servants were done by Nnamdi Azikwe in NCNC and that is even why Awolowo left the party.

I am not lying. there were about 12 or so ministers according to akintola's speech and ONLY 1 was Yoruba and even that one according to him was the minister of labour. According to him the minister of labour does not have much power and the since Okpara and co knew that they gave it to him.

It was never the british doing. There was quote system back then of which the North, west and east had 50 %, 25% 25% respectivly in the military

After which Nnamdi divided the western region into 2 and the west has 21% and 4 % to the mid-west to much of Awolowo's delight becasue that is what he wanted, (federalism) but of course Nnamdi though he was further marginising them.

You have to remember that even in the western region, we had lagos mainland which some igbos still took part of it. Just like the free education etc.

Again No one cares as usual. Akintola was just trying to remove the yorubas from the quagmare as you can see. Even at that Akintola did not have Yoruba support. Of which Akintola himself acknowlege that Awolowo knew the politics well (Now found respect for Awo)

Maybe now Igbos are live and let live people, But back then, NO YOU WERE NOT. You can take a clue from Ojukwu's speech just before he decleared secession.

BlackPikiN:
You lying scum!
Every position an Igbo man held pre-1960 and pro-1960 were basically on merit.
Bring another lie.

So why are you complaining now when a Northern is ruling the oil, gas or political sector of the country

Why are you complaining if an ngabti man is taking the oil sector of the country. calling them parasites

Is that not based on merits as well ?

Reason why it has been Ijaw, Yoruba and hausa being the president, can we say it is based on merit because they know how to rule best ? I am sure there are Igbos that can even make better policies than now but those were based on merit.

Go read your history

jason123:
I feel for Jonathan. He is practically helpless . . . and to makes matters worse, his advisers are/were telling him rubbish just to dissociate themselves from him at the end of the day.

My adviser for him is that he has two options:

1) Unite the South somehow . . . .
OR
2) Fight Boko Haram head on. Arrest Atiku and co that vowed to make the country ungovernable.

Not doing any of the two will surely lead to disaster . . . .

Unite the south or unite Nigeria. What dumb statement

bashr8:
Really like how saraduna said they will rather get a foreigner than a non northerner to work in the north cus if u put an igbos man he will want to rise above you. Like I said igbos have been trying to make it easy for you guys by calling for division, listen you guys cannot continue to talk from both side of your mouth its either you accept we divide or younstop complaining about igbos dominatin or whatever.

Please why not understand what is been said before inflating ur ego by talking about "igbo domination"

what Sultan and akintola were saying is consistent.

Sultan was talking about if you have an igbo executive somewhere, he would employ only Igbos and forget about the indigenes

Akintola was saying that if you have them somewhere they would only employ their kind and leave the indigenes out.

Of course it is about tribalism or nepotism as Aigbofa said

How can a foreign come to ur region and only employ his kind without talking ?

If you call that domination then it is silly.

today can an hausa man employ only his kind without ohaneze shouting on top of the roof ?

it is a bit extreme to go to a region that employed you, and you employ 97 % of your people leaving the indigenes out. That is parasitic to say the very least.

You balance things up becasue I am sure there were better leturals back in the western region as well but were rejected.

BE TRUTHFUL TO YOURSELF FOR ONCE AND STOP THIS hypocricy.

chima12:
@ mai suya,
    I meet your people whenever I am in the north,northerners celebrate the exploits of boko haram especially when they attack christians and churches.He who comes to equity comes with clean hands.If you are not happy with my posts,then hug the nearest transformer.

dude that is a lie, which part of the north were people celebrating at the killing of Christians

@ Maisuya

it is not all Christian but just Nairaland

BlackPikiN:
Ohh please shut it abeg.
You dey tell me abi na another person you dey tell.
I think you need a check up.

I am explaining things to you and you are here insulting me. To me if you understand the video you would understand what Nnamdi, Okpara and co did back then WAS WRONG.

Can you imagine an Yoruba man coming to Nsuuka, Imo, SU etc univerities and employing 97 % Yoruba people and leaving the indigens with 3 %, Also that 3 % would be shared between the indigenes, and other non-indigenes just because he was the president ?

It is wrong and you should admit it if you are truthful to yourself.

Well of course that was back then where each region viewed the other as another country. Now I don't think people really care.

Aigbofa:
I think it was more about nepotism really.

Maybe so maybe not but that was the past where there was federalism. It also explains a lot of the sort of politics played back then. Great video indeed.

Although I have to admit that his yoruba was hard to understand. LOL

bashr8:
How they view igbos don't matter to me , igbos are competitive if other group don't like it simple lets divide that's why i said diviing Nigeria will be of benefit to other groups especially Yoruba at least their nightmares about igbos will end, why is that so hard to comprehend? As long as we remain one igbos will continue to be what God made them, competitive and domeneering, the truth is that there's enough space for everyone in naija so I don't even know why anybody should complain.

Back then it was not competition but tribalism exhibited by the Igbo executives in other regions. Get your facts right

BlackPikiN:
See as him dey complain about Igblos dey everywhere.

What's the problem?
Why do people get scared? Igbos are like live and lets live.


It is very bad to be Igbo in Nigeria. very very bad!

I guess you did not watch the video or you do not understand yoruba language.

What Akintola was talking about was tribalism exhibited by some Igbo personals in the western region back then. He gave an example of University of Ibadan that had 112 staffs and ever since Nnamdi and co made the VC Igbo, he employed 109 Igbo staffs from the east and gave 3 to yorubas even though it was in Ibadan.

to him that was not fair. If you watch further, you would understand that back then, Igbos were running things and the yorubas were at the background, least educated and marginalised.

What he further explained was that NCNC (Azikwe, Opara and co) was shouting One Nigeria because they were enjoying Nigeria and the way the west was marginaized.  etc

All he said, he was absolutely right and I totally agree with him. Also it was during that time the powerful slogan of North for Northerner came out because each time an Igbo man is employed to a top position back then, he employes only Igbos.

THat is why I was just looking with amazement at the RUBBISH JASON123 has been writing.

Although he explained further but that is all I can say for now

noiseless:
Is he not the one that ambushed adaka boro and murdered him?

I don't think so, but if so please provide a link to backup ur words thanks.

What is all this tribal rubbish for

it is clear it is not an ethnic move but a developmental move by the governor. For all I care it might even be a political move. It has nothing to do with ethnicity so people give it a rest already

Funkymallam:
He visits u complain, he does not visit, u still complain. Kai!

hmmm, I don't think it is about whether the people complain or not. I think it about the frustration of the people. It is not really about GEJ PR whether he visits or not.

okstol:
@Alh.Boko Haram, will u shut ur dirty trap! If he doesn't, u will be d first to start throwing jibes at d man.

Have I even complained about GEJ not visiting a bomb site ? and if I have please provide a link

I am not critising GEJ here, Of course kudos to him for this action. I guess I was just fed up of all this bomb, then visit then few days again bomb.

I think it is about time we as a people start finding a lasting solution to this, don't you think ?

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=852132.msg10023179#msg10023179 date=1327252736]Lets be honest to ourselves.

From a suspect having an "association with the VP", to finding a suspect with an "airforce officer" in a "govt. house", to aiding  Boko Haram suspects by a "commissioner of police",  all of these, powerful connections. If there ever was/ is a chance of ending Boko Haram, its you northerners that would effect it.

GEJ has run out of ideas - and I don't blame him one bit.[/quote]I guess as much, I understand that GEJ is trying his best but at this stage the best is not enough. Lets be honest with ourselves. Are we going to keep doing like this where bombs go off and the boko haram keep having the last laugh ? No

I checked the thread Beaf opened the other day about a foreign IG and it made a lot of sense. That is someone thinking of a solution. We cannot keep going on like this, something has to give.

Boko haram has nothing to do with northerners or muslims. They represent themselves.

enough of this visits, speech and sympathy. We need an end to boko haram

mikeansy:
Based on which history? For your info Boko Haram did not start in 2009/2010. They used to hit before then and their traditional hit style used to be gunmen on the back of motorbikes, stop, hit and run away. But they have since diversified.

Most importantly BokoHaram claimed responsibility for this hit through their traditional communication channels. It makes me wonder why you guys are so bent on absolving BokoHaram when they have claimed responsibility.

This is why we say the average Hausa Fulani man has a soft spot for Boko Haram.

But know this, when they no longer have any Igbos or Christains to kill. They will turn on fellow muslims.

I am not trying to defend them neither do I have a soft spot for them. I just highlighted the suspect part of it. The security of this nation is a joke. Imagine a country not sure of it is boko haram or just another hit and run crime. Whether it is boko haram or not, the people need to be brought to justice.

I hope they are caught and persecuted rightly.

i think it is rear to hear boko haram kill with guns, it is usually bombs thus that was a suspect

also since boko haram claim everything killing I guess it is natural to blame it on them.

whether boko haram or kinsmen, it still does not change the fact that 13 people were killed  in broad day light and out security agent have done nothing.

if all we care the governor is trying to move the blame so the investigation can end, but we should be honest with ourselves. Even if my kinsmen kill me in ogoni land, does that can anything ?

macjive01:
alhaja , sincerely census might be a joke, but this is wat the published, then an insider in the LCB lagos census burea, during an interview with the sun newspaper reveal it. i dount if he is lying ? but that is wat he said.

sun newspaper lol

anyway, did he also reveal the ethnic figures of hausa and ijaws etc

moreover how does he know who is yoruba and who is not ? I remember I had just one emulator and she asked for my name not my ethnicity so what is your point ?

Sun newspaper is full of crap, serious crap

what is the name of the census burea ? I would appreciate this

also sun newspaper is tell us how they know the differnce between eberri, nupe for a yoruba or edo because they all share names

also a hausa from a yoruba from nupe and kanuri etc becaue they all share names as well

and ikwerre from igbo etc

least I forget how they can know the ethnic group of the people with english names. thanks

I CAN'T REMEMBER ETHNCITY WAS ASKED.

I would be waiting for you link

[size=14pt]anyone replying to this goons eg niajaking, obiagu etc must have time. please ignore this people[/size]

macjive01:
are u silly or being funny? in the last census, lagos state conducted a parallel census with the FG one with ethnicity as part of it.

Igbo came up to 44% with Yorubas 43 % . but was manipulated, saying some water line areas wasnt comprehensively covered , their mathematics then produced the 46 abi 44% yoruba , 42% igbos.

go figure.

smh, anyone reading this would just be laughing lol

so what is the population of hausa ?

what is the population of ijaw ?

Ibibio nko ?

don't forget a lot of nupe people as well as the edo who are also a majority in lagos.

When was an ethnic census done in lagos is my question. before the federal or after and where are the figuers. I am not talking of Ohaneze's figures or another biafran goon. I am talking about a reliable source like lagos state government etc

lets even forget this because I know I would argue this till tomorrow. I read one rubbish one of ur brother was wrtting and wipping up sentiment against yorubas in lagos. saying Igbos are a majority and Yorubas should leave the government etc. I please urge you to tell him to know his facts right and stop all this sentimental messages.

macjive01:
Igbo are 42% percent of Lagos as well, though 44 but was reduced to 42 by tinubu.

Abuja 67.8 @ 2007

when was this "ethnic census" taken ? does tiunbu have a right or the means to manipulate the federal government census data ?

moreover what is it for tinubu to manipulate the data ?

funny clowns

Onlytruth:
Believe me, the only group that is really disliked in the south are Yoruba. I know that Edo may not join Biafra, but I know for sure that they would NEVER join Odua. FACT.

I've said it here before, the way things would turn out when everybody is faced with hard core facts, would shock a lot of people.
I'm only angry that people are cutting up Eastern Nigeria to suit their twisted agendas.

[size=14pt]is this about expanding the Igbo territory or about making a great nation ? even if it is baifra ?

I don't understand the obsession with this land grabbing and population thing some of you people are doing all over Nigeria. Even if you have baifra today with the whole Middle belt, South-south including delta and edo and even expand to parts of cameroun, the issue has not been addressed which is every single individual be it igbo or not needs good governance and right to self determination. So really I don't see your fascination about "this south-south is our land thing" it is rather silly to think that if your people who happen to be the igbos become the new super majority, things would change for the better. That would not be the case because "no man shall reap were he did not sow" Goodluck with ur utopian dream of biafra and igbo domination. Allah be with baifra

even us Nigerians are getting fed up that is the reality[/size]

sbeezy8:
what sensible yoruba man will trade in the SE of all places?

He deserves it.

I believe if igbos can trade anywhere in the country, yorubas and hausas too have equal right to trade anywhere in the country even in the SE.

Moreover this is not a tribal issue but more of a politcal issue with peter obi and chime