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sreamsense:
I laughed at your ignorance. You left your initial point of discussion to deviate to dancing and clapping. If anybody is to correct christians, most educated religion on earth, is it Muslims that are full of illiterates will tell Christians how to serve God? If USA is not a christian nation, is it an Arab nations? Why do you tribe in ignorance despite lots of ways you can make research, yet you choose be ignorant. Is it even difficult to type in AI or internet : "Why is USA considered as christian nation?" Or similar query before you wrote nonsense? And you want me to waste my time with someone below mediocrity like you to argue irrelevant thing?

I have already proven to you why that sword is never for christians to fight, otherwise there won't be Islam today because christians would have used that sword to kill all Muslims prematurely before it gets to present age of terrorism. I asked for you to give me just two people that Jesus and his disciples killed, you could not provide any only to come with deviation tactics on where they clap and dance in the Bible.

Jesus is full of love and compassion unlike Mohammad that was always full of anger, war, beheading etc. Have you ever asked yourself why is it that 98% of all world terrorists are Muslims? Why? Is Islam the only religion people always offend? Why not Hindus, why not christians, why not even pagan? Why only Islam?

Soldiers of Allah are right now in the bushes all over the world planning how to come out once in a while to bomb church and kill people, then run back to their enclaves to observe next Solat prayer to Mohammad and his messanger. Jesus is full of love, come to him; he is ever ready to accept you and forgive your sins because he has power to do so

Trash! The bolded part shows that you've been arguing without understanding the topic of discussion. What a shame! I've tried to stick to the topic of Middle Eastern (Arab and Jewish) violent culture throughout my write-ups, but it seems all you know how to do is argue off-point. Don't be angry if I don't respond to your next comment. I have more productive things to do than reply to your hogwash.

chrisxxx:
Someone can pass a message and the messenger interpolate it.

Interpolation of the Qur'an is impossible, as Allah declares in Surah 15:9, "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (Qur'an); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." However, it is possible that some Muslims or contemporary Islamic scholars might misinterpret the text for selfish reasons. This phenomenon is not unique to Islam, as Christian scholars have similarly misinterpreted the Bible for personal gain. Prophet Jeremiah acknowledged this issue, explaining that scribes had altered and misinterpreted the scripture, rendering it untruthful. This claim is corroborated in Jeremiah 8:8, where it says, "How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the LORD,” when your teachers (scribes) have twisted it by writing lies?" Even the Bible itself admits that its contents have been subjected to interpolation. So, I equally think Jehovah and the author of your Bible have a different mindset. Jehovah seems to be very peaceful and forgiven. I have effectively turned the tables.

sreamsense:
Keep deceiving yourselves! How many people did Jesus and even his deciples kill with that sword, just mention "2" ? Just two people Jesus and his disciples killed in their time. Put here the references, you can't find any; except you want to keep deceiving yourself. But numbers of people Mohammad and his companions killed directly and indirectly are uncountable.

If Jesus killed with that sword, it means christians will also be practicing killing with sword today. And if christians are also killing with that sword, then it means Islam will not exist today because christians would have eradicated Islam from the surface of the earth since Christianity came more than 600yrs before Islam. Christians would have used their influences that they are richer than Muslims worldwide, more populous than Muslims, more educated and in charge of world power (USA) to eradicate Islam.

So, for Islam to be in existence today means that sword you mentioned was not used by Jesus to kill. Christians are people that practice conduct of Christ, so they did not see him using that sword to kill, so christians never inherited that killing practices and is what gives Islam opportunity to exist today.

Lol. It's amusing to consider that someone might deceive themselves by ignoring the presence of war and violence in Arab and Jewish cultures. Equally delusional is the belief that America, a secular country, is a Christian nation. The United States has long since distanced itself from Christianity and religious governance.

Who could be more misguided than Christians who believe they embody Christ's teachings yet, when questioned about what they truly have in common with Jesus, struggle to find an answer? Their current patterns of worship deviate significantly from Christ's example. For instance, can you reference a verse where Jesus encouraged singing, clapping, or beating drums during worship? These practices demonstrate that modern Christians are engaging in a religion different from the one Jesus originally preached. Don't give references from Torah; since many of you are arguing that Christians don't follow old law.

Throughout this discussion, you have been trying to prolong the argument, even when you lack valid points to make. You seem unwilling to acknowledge that Arab and Jewish cultures have historically contained elements of war and violence. Instead, you have repeatedly attempted to shift the focus towards Islam, blaming the religion rather than the cultural tendencies of Arabs and Jews for their violent history.

chrisxxx:
I think Allah and your author of Quran have a different mindset. Allah seems to be very peaceful and forgiven.

What's the difference between Allah and the author of the Qur'an?

chrisxxx:
Jesus asked Peter to sheath the sword as those who kill by sword will go by sword. It is obvious here that Jesus doesn't endorse violence.
I may agree with you that most of what Quran says might be fine figurative and people like you need to educate those with little understanding the right thing to do.

Similarly, Allah says: "whoever kills a soul... it is as if he had slain mankind entirely" (Qur'an 5:32). From this verse, It is obvious here that Allah doesn't endorse violence either.

joemag:
Gat you now. I have never wished to be birthed there. From time immemorial those guys have been fighting.

You chose Nigeria instead because it's better than Middle East I guess. Good choice!

chrisxxx:
If Jesus endorsed the way of violence as seen in the old books including old testament and Quran he won't ask God to forgive those who nailed him on the cross. He won't advise Christians to turn the other Chin. Secondly getting a sword is not necessarily a physical sword of weapons. It was used figuratively.

The question is whether Jesus came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, or if he came to fulfill them instead. Which one?
Who told you that "getting a sword" was used figuratively? Name your source please. If you believe that the sword mentioned by Jesus was used figuratively, then we Muslims also believe that the same interpretation is applicable to verses in the Qur'an that refer to war or battles? These verses are seen as figurative rather than literal commands to fight or kill.

chrisxxx:
Christian Bible has two parts. The new and old testament. The old testament as hugely authored by Moses warrants that. But Jesus came and called for forgiveness. This makes the old testament the old way. That is why Christians don't go by those injunctions
Unfortunately Quran went back to the old ways

Was Jesus unaware of your claim when he said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17). According to this verse, Jesus did not come to change the old law, but rather to fulfill the prophecies about him in the Torah.

Jesus wasn't speaking of your so-called "new way" when he said in Luke 22:36-37: "But now, take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a "sword", sell your cloak and buy one. For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels.’ Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true." Any Christian who does not follow the old way is not a true Christian; one cannot accept some parts of the Bible and disbelieve other parts.

The point is that war and terrorism are inherent in Middle Eastern culture, and their religion is practiced in a way that reflects this. This has always affected them, keeping their region in perpetual war. If you agree with me on this, then we're on the same page.

Peace!

Winnin009:
Exactly, Christianity also went through its bloody phase and it's passed. Islam was also going through that same bloody phase at the time but unlike the Christians, it still lingers till this day. Why?

You don't see christains today killing people in thousands because the book of numbers said so... but your brothers still kill for their god till this day.. Why bro?

You have managed to recognize that Jews and Christians also went through a phase similar to what Muslims are experiencing today. However, it's important to consider the duration of this phase for each group. To accurately compare and determine whether the Muslim phase was relatively long or short, one must establish the length of time that Jews and Christians spent engaging in acts of terror, raiding towns and villages, killing boys and women, and enslaving virgins in the name of fighting for God. So, can you provide me with the accurate length of time that the Jews and Christians spent in their phase of terrorism?

Moreover, upon further reflection, you might deduce that I was correct in asserting that war and violence among Middle Easterners (whether Arabs or Jews) are deeply rooted in their culture. Their religions have also been practiced in a manner that reflects and reinforces these violent tendencies. If you can see the perspective I'm presenting, then we are on the same page.

Salaam!

chrisxxx:
You have by yourself said that some persons corrupted the Quran when Mohammed left. This I didn't know and that is why I said the violence is as advised by the person who wrote Qur'an. I know that the Qur'an advised a perpetual hatred of Christians and Jews by Muslim. The Quran calls them the people of the Book and advised Muslims not to take them as friends.
I see you are versed in Quranic ideology and teachings, is this not correct? Kill people of the Book anywhere you may find them. Don't take them as friends. This injunction was it part of the corruption of the Qur'an?

You're quoting the Qur'an out of context, it is crucial to consider the circumstances surrounding the revelation of the verses being discussed. This includes understanding the historical, cultural, and situational context in which the verses were revealed. The Bible also contains violent passages, such as Numbers 31:17-18: "So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Is this not also a part of the Bible, or do you need more examples like this? They say all is fair in war, but does this verse justify contemporarily killing boys and women and enslaving virgins for sexual exploitation? Your answer to this question will also suffice for mine. Let's see how proficient you are at analogical deductions.

Shalom!

joemag:
How many Christian states are terrorizing the world? the Bible told us that by their fruits they shall be known

The point I was attempting to convey is that Middle Eastern cultures have a history of war and violence, making it difficult to establish lasting peace among their nations. This tendency towards conflict is deeply ingrained in their cultural dynamics and has hindered efforts to maintain harmony in the region.

JASONjnr:
They're alive but corruption will never allow them to rescue Nigeria..

Lol. You're right; I'm Almunjid (the Rescuer). I was sent on a mission to rescue Nigerians, though not through politics. I arrived in Nigeria a few decades late due to trekking all the way from heaven. Rest assured, I'm currently preparing to carry out my rescue mission. I'm here now. Do not lose hope.

Peace!

Julius1995:
Google's parent company, Alphabet Inc., is one of the most profitable companies in the world, with a whooping 73 billion USD profit after tax in 2023 FY, what the hell does Trump have that they need? Stop playing please.

Lol. How did Google make its whopping $73 billion USD profit? The company monetized its services, such as ad placement and product promotion, to achieve such earnings. Google didn't amass wealth by demeaning others' net worth. If Trump were to require Google's services, he would pay for them just like everyone else, regardless of whether Google is wealthier than him or not.

Peace!

chrisxxx:
Blame who wrote the Quran.

The Bible also contains verses about war, killing, and enslaving women. One example is God's instructions to the warriors in Numbers 31:17-18: "So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Israel, meaning "one who prevails with God", the name was bestowed upon Jacob after the incident in which he "wrestled with the angel" (Genesis 32:28 and 35:10). Israelites were known for fighting on behalf of God, similar to how Muslims are perceived as fighting for Allah. Like Arabs, the Israelites are not known for being peace-loving due to their culture. Should Jehovah be blamed too?

Your comments about Arabs imply that Allah made them violent, which stems from ignorance. Studying pre-Islamic Arabic literature reveals that Arabian society was war-torn, with people living like animals. Arabia was a male-dominated society, where women held no status beyond being sex objects. Heroes who bore female children often killed them, as they were deemed useless in war and revenge. It was common for men to bury their daughters alive out of shame.

Arab people were known as "Rijalul Harab" (men of war). Tribes frequently fought each other over trivial matters. A small altercation between two tribes could escalate into a full-blown war, lasting for decades. Children were raised to seek vengeance for their fallen family members, perpetuating a vicious cycle of violence. This warrior ethos defined Arab culture before the advent of Islam.

When Islam emerged, it instilled a sense of brotherhood and unity among Arab tribes, as mentioned in the Qur'an: "And hold firmly to the rope of Allah and do not be divided. Remember Allah's favour upon you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts, so you—by His grace—became brothers. And you were at the brink of a fiery pit, and He saved you from it." (Qur'an 3:103). The Qur'an also teaches the importance of resolving conflicts and maintaining brotherhood: "The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy." (Qur'an 49:10). Prophet Muhammad further emphasized unity, stating: "A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim. He does not oppress him, nor does he leave him at the mercy of others." (Sahih al-Bukhari). These teachings helped reduce conflicts among Arabs, fostering a sense of brotherhood. However, after the Prophet's death, some corrupt leaders and religious figures distorted Islam's peaceful message to wage wars and conquer territories, often under the guise of jihad. As a result, the original peaceful teachings of Islam were manipulated to justify violence and warfare.

It's crucial to understand a people's history before accusing anyone of influencing their behavior, culture, and attitudes. Without Allah and Islam, Arabs might have remained locked in a cycle of violence, akin to animals killing each other. Lastly, you need to ask for forgiveness from God Almighty for the misconceptions you've spread about Him. May He forgive us all for the things we say out of ignorance.


Peace!

We no gree. A knock for a Knock.

They want you to come and see them. You know what I mean.

The Middle Easterners appear to need some sort of intervention, as their culture seems to promote war over peace. It's almost like they thrive in conflict and can't stand peaceful environments.

It's unfortunate that anyone who doesn't align with their political views is labeled an enemy of the state.

creolehunt:
Nigeria would not be great in our lifetime.

If we cannot improve Nigeria during our lifetime, we should be ashamed of ourselves. Are we simply going to wait for future generations to make the country better? What if they prove to be as unmotivated as we are? That would mean Nigeria will never see progress. Instead, let's choose to be optimistic and contribute in our own ways, no matter how small. We must reject corruption because it's the main obstacle hindering our nation's growth.

Peace!

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Peace!

As if dem go do anything about am.

Parable007:
Sacrifice is when both the leaders and the masses truly undergo the same thing. But pain and wickedness is what makes the poor keep becoming poor and hopeless while leaders spend so much money in billions to buy things they already have.
1. Under your watch naira was devalued so bad that 200 Ghana Cedis is about N20,800 Ghana here.
2. A nation that have crude is buying fuel for 1200 per liter the same govt came out to tell Nigerians that it will never happen well it happened when we even began to refine fuel in Lagos.
3. People began to switch to cooking glass you increased it.
4. You scammed your own people that you'll put them in band A to have constant light, (Band A meters began to read faster than normal, the 20 hours per dey didn't work, you secretly place like half of Nigerians in that wicked band A) all because you felt it was too cheap now Nigerians are paying through tier nose.
5. How bag of rice rose from 35k to 90k is still a mystery. When I saw the govt planning to sell rice at 40k I know they imposed these hardship.

Please Nigerian leaders, whatever Nigerians have done to deserve all these forgive them now that you can, because a set of people who are not gullible and tribalistic as our own generation will arise and they might not show mercy. This is not a threat.

Lol. Even the National Pledge, which originally ended with "so help me God," was changed to remove the divine invocation, effectively distancing us from receiving divine intervention. We are now left to our own devices.
- What have we done to deserve the heartless and inconsiderate leaders that God has allowed to govern Nigeria?
- Who have we offended?
- Why is it that in this country, our yesterdays always seem better than our tomorrows?

MEEVEET:
Is it that you don't know how to read English or you just want to prolong this talk?

Where in the article did it say the company made a loss of 87 billion?

The article said it made a profit of 87 billion which is 220% less than the previous year how's is that a loss? Instead of lower profit?

Abeg which school did you go?

According to the 2022 article you provided, it states, "It has been 10 years since Governor Peter Obi invested ₦1.95 billion of Anambra State's money in Intafact, and nearly 5 years since the Anambra State Government received shares of International Breweries Plc in exchange for its investment."

I would like to point out that your argument contains flaws, and it might be beneficial for you to reevaluate your stance. Despite being incorrect, you continue to hurl insults at me, which is unproductive. I will refrain from engaging in similar behavior and let your conscience guide you.

I encourage you to reread your screenshot carefully: It mentions that "International Brewery records N87.64 billion unaudited loss in 2023, posts 226% profit decline." You seem to be confusing two key terms: "unaudited loss" and "profit decline."
"Unaudited loss" refers to an "unverified financial setback" indicating a reported loss that has not yet been officially examined or confirmed by an independent auditor, while "profit decline" implies a reduction in profits.[/b] It is essential to understand the difference between these terms to grasp the actual financial situation of the company accurately.

Shalom!

MEEVEET:
Lmaoo you just want to paint Obi bad
Firstly just confirmed Anambra investment was valued at 1.95 billion

Below is the profit of the company last year 87 billion

And this is a decline of over 220% which means previous year was over 220 billion

Anambra investment after the recent buying by SAbmiller was now valued at 1.56%

So last year Obi 1.95 billion investment earned Anambra 1.17 billion

Previous year was 3.3 billion ...

Two years alone ooh

And you think that's not a wise investment?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/investogist.com/fact-check-is-the-investment-peter-obi-made-for-anambra-state-worth-next-to-nothing/amp/

We both made an error in regarding the amount Obi invested in the brewery. You inadvertently led us astray, and I followed your lead. I've confirmed that Obi's actual investment was 1.95 billion Naira.

Moreover, International Breweries Plc had a total market capitalization of "N107.45 billion" in 2022 but experienced a net loss of N17.66 billion. Consequently, the company's worth dropped to approximately 90 billion Naira.
The information you provided contradicts your claim; it indicates that the company incurred a loss of 87 billion Naira, rather than a profit. The 90 billion Naira valuation in 2022 was met with a 226% decline in profits, a substantial downturn. If we subtract 87 billion from the 90 billion Naira valuation, the company would be worth roughly 3 billion Naira as of 2023. Given the current economic climate, the company's value might continue to diminish this year. Unfortunately, Hero Beer is now facing financial difficulties, and Obi's investment has lost its worth, validating Governor Soludo's earlier assessment.

Wetin u dey find for Iphone 16 wey no dey for the previous versions? If na the version wey go delete Ur contacts u dey find, u don get am. So why u dey complain again?

MEEVEET:
Anambra never invested one 1 Kobo in that ... Not a single naira

Anambra gave land valued at 10 billion for a 15% sake in the business... 10% to the state and 5% to the village

You should go up and read it up oga

Who told you that Anambra did not invest a dime? The company was supposed to buy the land from the state government, which was worth up to 10 billion Naira, but instead of selling the land and collecting the money, Obi opted to invest it in the Hero Beer. Now, can you say that Anambra doesn't have a dime in the brewery? No, that's incorrect.

If you don't understand this example, let me give you another one: Dangote refinery. Dangote bought the land for 100 million dollars from the Lagos State Government. If the government had wanted or had an interest in the refinery, it would have left the 100 million dollars with Dangote as an investment and acquired a share in the refinery. If that had happened, could you now say that the Lagos State Government never invested a dime in the refinery?

Perhaps you need to understand that landed property is also a form of investment, not only cash. You can contribute assets and properties in an investment. Do you understand now? Hope you now agree with me that Obi lacked business foresight, which caused Anambra state to lose 10 billion Naira, or do you still want to keep arguing with me?

Salaam!

MEEVEET:
His statement was clever misleading

Yes the value of land anambra gave them for 10% then have dropped just like the naira dropped

But the 10% of profit Anambra gets for owning 10% and payee tax more than covers for it

Your problem is that you don't want to accept the truth: Obi's investment in Hero Beer for the state government is currently worthless, as Governor Soludo has stated. This is because the state government doesn't reap any meaningful benefits from this investment, especially considering the initial investment made by Obi. The brewery's income is insufficient to support large-scale infrastructure projects, which has led to it being deemed worthless. Hero Beer, initially a multi-billion Naira investment, has depreciated significantly to a multi-million Naira valuation. Consequently, Anambra State's 10% share, which was once worth a considerable amount when valued in the multi-billion Naira range, has significantly declined now that it has dropped to a multimillion Naira valuation. In retrospect, it appears that the investment was a poor choice.

Moreover, if Obi had good business foresight, he should have anticipated the potential challenges that might affect the brewery's long-term viability and protected the state from making a poor investment. You shouldn't attribute the devaluation of the investment to the current naira depreciation, as Soludo mentioned that the investment was worthless even before the current wave of naira devaluation and economic difficulties.

Based on what I've seen so far, Soludo may likely prove to be better than Obi, although it's understandable that a former Central Bank governor should know more about long-term investments than Obi. If the Igbo people bring forward individuals like Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala and Soludo, who are technocrats, we can say they've made great choices. However, choosing Obi, a politician who has switched parties multiple times, protecting only his interests, doesn't seem like the best decision.
All eyes are on Soludo. If he performed well, he might have a chance of becoming the vice president or even the president of Nigeria someday.


Peace!

MEEVEET:
I just gave you the explanation oga value of shares is low
But that has absolutely nothing to do with the value of the company

Are you suggesting that Governor Soludo's statement regarding Hero Beer's worthlessness is inaccurate or misleading?

enemyofprogress:
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...But the wicked shall perish... (Psalms 37:20)
I no wan join people wey go perish.

Lol. Dem go conduct free and fair elections for primary school. Na from secondary school dem go start learning how to rig elections.

MEEVEET:
Nigerian stock exchange is rubbish and the industry is not developed

Which is why with 25 billion naira you can buy 10 percent of first bank valued at over 150 billion

So go figure

I appreciate your input, but my question isn't about the Nigerian stock exchange industry or First Bank's value. However, thank you for providing those details. My actual question is: What factors led to the decline in Hero Beer's shares in Nigeria? Governor Soludo mentioned that Hero Beer is currently worth nothing. Can you provide insights into the reasons behind this significant drop in value?