vedaxcool:

only fool will throw away the benefits fasting just to spite Sunnis

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a. The hadeeth does not state that the Prophet
he found them fasting the same period he
entered Madina. However, when someone
speaks without knowledge he would surely
make stupied conclusion. This is known
method in Arabic language that the writer does
not even have a clue about it. The hadeeth
likes to say: when the Prophet entered the
Madina, he found jews fasting ashoura (i.e. he
arrived and when ashoura came they were
fasting it...).

b. Jews used to calculate Ahsoura based on
solar calander not luner so the day is not the
same every year and hence the day could be in
any month. This is known.

c. The Prophet fasted the day while he was at
Mecca anyhow and what happened in Madina
is a confirmation. This is known in the Sahih
from Ibn Umar and Aisha.

d. The companions who narrated it could be
from the Mursal of companions who narrate
from other companion a known hadeeth to
everyone.

e. There is no one who opposed them when
they narrated these narrations which mean
they are all correct.


May Allah guide us all as we do live an era of
ignorants.

xclusive43: [b]Innovations Common on 'Ashura'

Shaykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah ( may
Allah have
mercy on him) was asked about the
things that
people deople do on 'Ashura' , such as
wearing
kohl , taking a bath ( ghusl), wearing
henna,
shaking hands with one another, cooking
grains
(hubub ), showing happiness and so on.
Was
any of this reported from the Prophet
(peace
and blessings of Allah be upon him) in a
sahih
hadith , or not? If nothing to that effect
was
reported in a sahih hadith , is doing these
things bid'ah , or not? Is there any basis
for
what the other group do, such as grieving
and
mourning, going without anything to
drink,
eulogizing and wailing, reciting in a crazy
manner, and rending their garments?
rments?
His reply was: "Praise be to Allah, the
Lord of
the Worlds. Nothing to that effect has
been
reported in any sahih hadith from the
Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) or
from his Companions. None of the Imams
of
the Muslims encouraged or recommended
such
things, neither the four Imams, nor any
others.
No reliable scholars have narrated
anything
like this, neither from the Prophet
( peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him), nor from
the
Sahabah , nor from the Tabi'in; neither in
any
sahih report or in a da'if (weak) report;
neither
in the books of Sahih, nor in as-Sunan ,
nor in
the Musnads. No hadith of this nature
was
known during the best centuries, but
some of
the later narrators reported ahadith like
the
one which says, 'Whoever puts kohl in
his eyes
on the day of 'Ashura' will not suffer
from eye
disease in that year, and whoever takes a
bath
(does ghusl) on the day of 'Ashura' will
not get
sick in that year,' and so on. They also
reported a fabricated hadith that is
falsely
attributed to the Prophet ( peace and
blessings
of Allah be upon him), which says,
'Whoever is
generous to his family on the day of
'Ashura' ,
Allah will be generous to him for the rest
of
the year.' Reporting all of this from the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be
upon
him) is tantamount to lying."
Then he [Ibn Taymiyyah ( may Allah have
mercy
on him) ] discussed in brief the
tribulations that
had occurred in the early days of this
Ummah
and the killing of al-Husayn ( may Allah
be
pleased with him), and what the various
sects
had done because of this. Then he said:
"An ignorant, wrongful group – who were
either heretics and hypocrites, or
misguided and misled – made a show of
allegiance to him and the members of his
household, so they took the day of
'Ashura' as a day of mourning and
wailing, in which they openly displayed
the rituals of jahiliyyah such as slapping
their cheeks and rending their garments,
grieving in the manner of the
jahiliyyah ...…
"The Shaytan made this attractive to
those who are misled, so they took the
day of 'Ashura' as an occasion of
mourning, when they grieve and wail,
recite poems of grief and tell stories
filled with lies. Whatever truth there may
be in these stories serves no purpose
other than the renewal of their grief and
sectarian feeling, and the stirring up of
hatred and hostility among the Muslims,
which they do by cursing those who
came
before them …
"The evil and harm that they do to the
Muslims cannot be enumerated by any
man, no matter how eloquent he is. Some
others – either Nasibis who oppose and
have enmity towards al-Husayn and his
family or ignorant people who try to
fight evil with evil, corruption with
corruption, lies with lies and bid'ah with
bid'ah – opposed them by fabricating
reports in favour of making the day of
'Ashura' a day of celebration, by wearing
kohl and henna , spending money on
one's
children, cooking special dishes and
other things that are done on 'Eid and
special occasions. These people took the
day of 'Ashura' as a festival like 'Eid ,
whereas the others took it as a day of
mourning. Both are wrong, and both go
against the Sunnah , even though the
other group (those who take it as a day
of
mourning) are worse in intention and
more ignorant and more plainly wrong …
"Neither the Prophet ( peace and
blessings
of Allah be upon him) nor his successors
(the khulafa' ar-rashidun ) did any of
these
things on the day of 'Ashura', they
neither made it a day of mourning nor a
day of celebration …
"As for the other things, such as cooking
special dishes with or without grains, or
wearing new clothes, or spending money
on one's family, or buying the year's
supplies on that day, or doing special
acts of worship such as special prayers or
deliberately slaughtering an animal on
that day, or saving some of the meat of
the sacrifice to cook with grains, or
wearing kohl and henna, or taking a bath
(ghusl), or shaking hands with one
another, or visiting one another, or
visiting the mosques and shrines and so
on … all of this is reprehensible bid'ah
and is wrong. None of it has anything to
do with the Sunnah of the Messenger of
Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be
upon him) or the way of the Khulafa' ar-
Rashidun. It was not approved of by any
of the Imams of the Muslims, not Malik,
not ath-Thawri, not al-Layth ibn Sa'ad,
not Abu Hanifah, not al-Awza'i, not al-
Shafi'i, not Ahmad ibn Hanbal, not Ishaq
ibn Rahwayh, not any of the Imams and
scholars of the Muslims." [Al-Fatawa al-
Kubra by Ibn Taymiyyah]
Ibn al-Hajj (may Allah have mercy on
him)
mentioned that one of the bid'ah on
'Ashura'
was deliberately paying zakat on this day,
late
or early, or slaughtering a chicken just
for this
occasion, or – in the case of women –
using
henna . [ Al-Madkhal , part 1, Yawm
'Ashura' ][/b]

xclusive43: Allah's sacred month of Muharram is a blessed and important month. It is the first month of the Hijri calendar and is one of the four sacred months concerning which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): "Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so it was ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them, four are sacred. That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein … " [ Al-Qur'an 9:36] Abu Bakarah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "The year is twelve months of which four are sacred, the three consecutive months of Dhul-Qa'dah, Dhul- Hijjah and Muharram, and Rajab Mudar which comes between Jumadah and Sha'ban." [Reported by al-Bukhari, 2958] Muharram is so called because it is a sacred (muharram) month and to confirm its sanctity. Allah's words (interpretation of the meaning): " ... so wrong not yourselves therein … " mean do not wrong yourselves in these sacred months, because sin in these months is worse than in other months. It was reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that this phrase referred to all the months, then these four were singled out and made sacred, so that sin in these months is more serious and good deeds bring a greater reward. Qatadah said concerning this phrase that wrongdoing during the sacred months is more serious and more sinful that wrongdoing at any other time. Wrongdoing at any time is a serious matter, but Allah gives more weight to whichever of His commands He will. Allah has chosen certain ones of His creation. He has chosen from among the angels Messengers and from among mankind Messengers. He chose from among speech the remembrance of Him (dhikr). He chose from among the earth the mosques, from among the months Ramadhan and the sacred months, from among the days Friday and from among the nights Laylatul- Qadr , so venerate that which Allah has told us to venerate. People of understanding and wisdom venerate the things that Allah has told us to venerate. [Summarized from the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, may Allah have mercy on him. Tafsir of Surah at-Tawbah , ayah 36] The Virtue of Observing More Nafil Fasts During Muharram Abu Hurayrah ( may Allah be pleased with him ) said: "The Messenger of Allah ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'The best of fasting after Ramadhan is fasting Allah's month of Muharram.' " [Reported by Muslim, 1982] The phrase "Allah's month" , connecting the name of the month to the name of Allah in a genitive grammatical structure, signifies the importance of the month. Al-Qari said: "The apparent meaning is all of the month of Muharram." But it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) never fasted any whole month apart from Ramadhan , so this hadith is probably meant to encourage increasing one's fasting during Muharram, without meaning that one should fast for the entire month. It was reported that the Prophet ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) used to fast more in Sha'ban. It is likely that the virtue of Muharram was not revealed to him until the end of his life, before he was able to fast during this month. [ Sharh an-Nawawi 'ala Sahih Muslim] Allah Chooses Whatever Times and Places He Wills Al-'Izz ibn 'Abdus-Salam ( may Allah have mercy on him) said: "Times and places may be given preferred status in two ways, either temporal or religious/spiritual. With regard to the latter, this is because Allah bestows His generosity on His slaves at those times or in those places, by giving a greater reward for deeds done, such as giving a greater reward for fasting in Ramadhan than for fasting at all other times, and also on the day of 'Ashura' , the virtue of which is due to Allah's generosity and kindness towards His slaves on that day … " [Qawa'id al- Ahkam , 1/38] 'Ashura' in History Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him ) said: "The Prophet ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Madinah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of 'Ashura' . He said, 'What is this?' They said, 'This is a righteous day, it is the day when Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemies, so Musa fasted on this day.' He said, 'We have more right to Musa than you,' so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day." [Reported by al-Bukhari, 1865] "This is a righteous day" – in a report narrated by Muslim, [the Jews said:] "This is a great day, on which Allah saved Musa and his people, and drowned Pharaoh and his people." "Musa fasted on this day" – a report narrated by Muslim adds: " … in thanksgiving to Allah, so we fast on this day." According to a report narrated by al-Bukhari: " … so we fast on this day to venerate it." A version narrated by Imam Ahmad adds: "This is the day on which the Ark settled on Mount Judi, so Nuh fasted this day in thanksgiving," and "commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day" – according to another report also narrated by al- Bukhari: "He said to his Companions: 'You have more right to Musa than they do, so fast on that day.' " The practice of fasting on 'Ashura' was known even in the days of Jahiliyyah, before the Prophet's mission. It was reported that 'A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her ) said: "The people of Jahiliyyah used to fast on that day … " Al-Qurtubi said: "Perhaps Quraysh used to fast on that day on the basis of some past law, such as that of Ibrahim, upon whom be peace." It was also reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) used to fast on 'Ashura' in Makkah, before he migrated to Madinah. When he migrated to Madinah, he found the Jews celebrating this day, so he asked them why, and they replied as described in the hadith quoted above. He commanded the Muslims to be different from the Jews, who took it as a festival, as was reported in the hadith of Abu Musa (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: "The Jews used to take the day of 'Ashura' as a festival [according to a report narrated by Muslim: the day of 'Ashura' was venerated by the Jews, who took it as a festival. According to another report also narrated by Muslim: the people of Khaybar (the Jews) used to take it as a festival and their women would wear their jewellery and symbols on that day]. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'So you [Muslims] should fast on that day.' " [Reported by al- Bukhari] Apparently the motive for commanding the Muslims to fast on this day was the desire to be different from the Jews, so that the Muslims would fast when the Jews did not, because people do not fast on a day of celebration. [Summarized from the words of al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar – may Allah have mercy on him – in Fath al-Bari Sharh 'ala Sahih al- Bukhari ] Fasting on 'Ashura' was a gradual step in the process of introducing fasting as a prescribed obligation in Islam. Fasting appeared in three forms. When the Messenger of Allah ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came to Madinah, he told the Muslims to fast on three days of every month and on the day of 'Ashura' , then Allah made fasting obligatory when He said (interpretation of the meaning): " … observing the fasting is prescribed for you … " [ Al-Qur'an 2:183] [Ahkam al-Qur'an by al-Jassas, part 1] The obligation was transferred from the fast of 'Ashura' to the fast of Ramadhan , and this one of the proofs in the field of Usul al-Fiqh that it is possible to abrogate a lighter duty in favour of a heavier duty. Before the obligation of fasting 'Ashura' was abrogated, fasting on this day was obligatory, as can be seen from the clear command to observe this fast. Then it was further confirmed later on, then reaffirmed by making it a general command addressed to everybody, and once again by instructing mothers not to breastfeed their infants during this fast. It was reported from Ibn Mas'ud that when fasting Ramadhan was made obligatory, the obligation to fast 'Ashura' was lifted, i.e., it was no longer obligatory to fast on this day, but it is still desirable (mustahabb).

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lolz....you dey vex..i wan reply you but i think its just a waist of my bundle nd time.....

usermane:

Damn! I 've seen the mods' injustice. Am not even a shiite, yet i can see clearly that the whole Ashura day fasting of a thing is a fabricated hadith and the ummayad 's conspiracy have worked very well indeed. How come our literate or educated sunnis choose to conceal the truth despite all these? The whole thing make me sick. With these you can now see that how long one 's beard or hijab is, has nothing to do with piety and sincerity. U can now see why the Christians don't listen to you while you preach. One thing however is that the truth is distinct from falsehood,no in-between. The gulity 's conscience will continue to haunt him.

Am not done here though. Show is far from over. There are still contradictory accounts of Ashura day fasting in Bukhari that i intend to analyse.

RoyPCain: i do not want to belabor the issue of the fast. but the messenger [SA] could tell him ummah to adopt a specific sunnah of another messenger, in this case Musa [AS] because it glorifying Allah as Musa [AS] did ib his lifetime. after all, they are prophetic brothers [AS]. and Musa [AS] by the Mercy of Allah on the ummah of Muhammad [SA] interceded on the number of daily salat until it became 5. even then, Musa [AS] was still suggesting it to be lower.

the Messenger [SA] encouraged us to adopt the piety of other prophets [AS] as well. so fasting on Ashura because Musa [AS] should not be a strange thing. The prophet [SA] mentioned the fasting of Daud [AS] as well.

anyone who may suggest that the prophet [SA] may have not received revelation on Ashura fasting may need to asking him/herself what form of revelation additionally needed before what he said is accepted? did he [SA] receive additional revelation in correcting salat when he said Allah made me shorten asr so that Allah can make me show how to correct your salat?

Allah says accept what the messenger [SA] give/command you, oh believer. Allah says the prophet [SA] does not say except what has been inspired in him [SA]. the prophet [SA] i was given the Quran and something like it [sunnah].


i believe Muhammad [SA] 100%. some doubted him about isra wa miraj, in spite of it being in the Quran. so it is no surprise some may doubt the Ashura fast since it is not in the Quran.



and at to the 'when he arrived in madina. . . . and he died the following year', one will have to know that the jews were people hiding their 'truth' thinking that truth is meant for them, alone. they turn truth upside down, making heritage due through the bloodline of the mother. they forgot that if this is so, the children of Musa [AS] are therefore not jews [loosely used in this case because it will yahud]. so head or tail, they lose.

the explanation of 10 years in Madina and only once he [SA] noticed them on the fast could be because they fast it then once every 10 years. or they just decided to practice it as a test since they now know there is 'the prophet' expected and he [SA] is an arab, not a jew, since they hoped he would be a jew so that he can fight on their side against the arabs. the jews may just be changing their religious calender even then and definitely, the evidence of that is here, today. there are mundane things while they left the more important things; annual sacrifice that they used to do [watch the video on youtube by a rabbi confirming islam is the older than judaism], hajj they used to make. there is a reason that [SA] saw them only one time. Allah has willed it this way and there is nothing to change it.


lets unite as muslims. let pray that Allah guide our hearts, forgives us and showers us with Mercy and we end as those who are victorious by His Mercy; gazing on HiM, often. Amin.

deols:

ma sha Allah. I always like it when you tell your stories. Long time. How have you been?

Hijab is beautiful.

ummsulaym:

That (especially the bolded) sounds like it's from bro Ali who is also a shiat-Ali(off NL)... He is a good brother from another sect...

But sectarianism aside, bro Al-qaim/Al-baqir, are you all this 'impossible?' why I ask is that bro Ali has been known for a year, he keeps telling me this same thing you people post on NL and I keep saying I've heard and I appreciate... When next we meet, he will explain all over again. Even with annoying points, I endure to listen(my weakness), yet he didn't stop and same, I didn't complain... Just last month he got angry and said ''the hardest people to change are people like you'' so me too con vex small... Last last, he said if he couldn't do it, he believe someone else will cuz he can't stand me dieing with my present beliefs, so I just told him I pray he doesn't die with his present beliefs too but I can stand it cuz his judgement is not mine... Now I ask again, why being so impossible?

babylolaroy:
hez using different monikers nau. its against d rule. i ddnt wanna say it so dah if he eventually modifies, dey wudnt find out from my own comment

babylolaroy:
hez using different monikers nau. its against d rule. i ddnt wanna say it so dah if he eventually modifies, dey wudnt find out from my own comment

babylolaroy:
am sorry. i was angry ni

babylolaroy:
normally, i dont av spare time to reply jerks buh today nd right nau i do. mr. misspelt username, ds thread is for MUSLIMS and we are trinna do some conversation right here. this is not a church shepherd gathering. you should face front when you arenot directly affected..lets solve and resolve ds without ur awful face around here. pls

usermane: Very good guys. Isn't this why you shouldn't be offended to see some muslims accept the Qur'an alone and reject the hadiths as an alternative source of Islamic rulings? Infact Al-Baqir, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait untill you scan Jami at tirmidhi,Ibn majar e.t.c, then you won't believe your eyes. I just pray and hope atleast a few muslims will see these books for what they truely are.

babylolaroy: I must say am very surprised at this. i am one of those who rever the sahih as much as i rever al-quran. i know and belief that the quran is ultimate buh i also believed that for dos collection of hadith to be called sahih, den dey are jayyid jidda..tested and to be trusted
Allahu 'alam. May Allah not lost us in our search tor the truth

however i have clarifications to make regarding two of these observations.
number 7: that the prophet would sleep and snore and not renew his wudhu...i think what we havent done is read further on this. the hadith didnt stop dia. the narrator further says 'and when i asked, it was said that Muhammad only sleeps in body and not in soul'..thus hez still conscious of happenings around him. that wudhu after a sound sleep is for someone who has slept so much dah he fell out of happenings around him

secondly, number 8 talks about the prophet lying on Aisha's lap while she was on her menses. subhanallah! that hadith also isnt complete. We have to read ahadith with their tafsir so that half and ugly meanings wont be derived. it was believed that a menstruating woman was dirty and filthy. That act of the prophet only goes to show that dey are not and one can read quran in dia presence, pray in dia rum or sleep close to dem..Aisha even said:' i used to comb his hair while i was on menses'
waAllahu 'alam...i am not disputing the opinion of the OP that those sahih are not the ultimate buh i advise that when we read hadith, we should study the reason, tafsir, circumstance and every every surrounding it

salam