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Today don pass o. I never hear/see any bomb blast and movement of troops.

nnaemeka1990:
will be in lag on monday
i will directly to union bank building @ marina and ask questions if dem don forget us

Abeg... we will be waiting...

Hmmm... Did he wrote the test of last week abi na another one.

And for the records, the flag isnt the only symbol of a nation. The coat of arm, the passport, the national ID, the currency etc. So if the flag is termed as a religous symbol of a nation, then so is other items I mentioned. So you guys should desist from using it. Also, you knw that the American currency have "in God we trust" on it. Isnt it a religous symbol of the US, but cos of you guys double standard, you wont see anything wrong with it. I really SMH 4 you guys.

JMAN05:
[b]so help me God. Tell me whether that phrase isn't religious. If it isn't religious, nothing like God will appear there.

now i knw u r nt tinkin straight. Even some of the secular nations have God in their anthem. Its doesnt mk it any more religous.

And which God would now uphold the glory and honor of another nation, and support any action to see that this nation is protected (including wars), when true Christians are no part of the world?

the same God that gave the Isrealites victory over their enemies, knwin that the Israelites, the so called God children, were not part of the world

- The logo of a company is truely there mark of identity, however, will you go to prison for mistreating that logo? But go and mistreat the Nigerian flag and see what happens.

Am yet to see anyone that was sent to prison on the ground that he/she mistreated the logo of any nation. Even though their might be caution from law enforce officers when you do such, same way your boss will reprimand you if you toil with the logo of your organization. I still tell you that, the flag of a nation is almst same with the logo of a coy

Organisation's logo isn't accompanied by a religious song, nor is a mute posture needed during a ceremony.

Most coy that have an anthem, sing it same way they do the anthem. Am pretty sure during board meeting, they wont be sitting down all relaxed while singing the anthem of their coy

The secular source that identified the identity of the flag is not from JW's. So why looked down upon? what will make that source to lie?
Do encyclopedias admit any type of article?

anybody can come up with anything, it doesnt make it flawless. Wikipedia have it that early church fathers who are catholics compiled the bible, but virtually all protestant wont agree to that, so you see it.

Who told you? please substantiate that claim.

Secondly, why will they even be persecuted if they do what the authorities demand of them?

their persecution is based mainly on hatred for the gospel and not submission to the authority. Steven wasnt stoned because he didnt sing the anthem. Paul wasnt arrested because he didnt salute the flag, Peter wasnt killed cos he didnt join the army. So wat else do you want

Religion is part of man, when a religion doninates a country, this often affects all they do. They often make everything religious, and with time, they dont know they ve delved into idolatry.

Chai. I thought You are better this. Apart from some muslim countries that uses Monarch system of leadership, tell me which country that have allowed religion to dominate its helm of affair, and how they ended up in idolatry.

E be like say village missile dey follow our airforce... Why is their crafts crashing like mosquito.

tuttisweet:
Yes ooo! Im confused myself. Your qualifications are similar to mine and i still haven't got any invite.
My issue is they should at least send a mail if we have not been shortlisted. So i can direct my energy to other things.
Abi is there any thing like been over qualified for this Oando matter?

Who else is in this boat please?
Thanks

My broda, i no even undastnd. Did they do random selection or what? From the comments here, there are pple with same qualification as mine that were invited. How come i didnt gt any.

seunwen2:
Your discipline?

Chem eng!!!

Was watching channelsTV this morning, was seeing as members of house of reps jumping gate. Now, if they at the helm of power could jump gate in such a manner, how much more we the ordinary citizens. NIGERIA IS REALLY FINISHED.

JMAN05:
1. The apostles knew what it means to give caesar what belongs to him, but when caesar demands worship, he is asking for what belongs to God. That national pledge and anthem is a religious song is never in dispute. We witnesses have proved that in High Courts. It seems you dont know what happens before an article is affixed in the encyclopedia.
2. I need your prove that a logo and a school badge is a chief symbol of worship.
3. the early christians understood this as well.
When did any nation claim to give salvation?
SMH
There establishing a religious song implies this

1)I still cant recall which nation is claiming to be god by demanding worship from its citizens. If you claim an anthem is a religous song, then a company's logo/anthem is also a religious symbol and you guys shld stop working there. In the last part of the pledge, it reads "so help me God". Why not "so help me nation or mr president or contitution or the police force."
2)Cos its have same symbol and importance to an organization just as the anthem is to a nation. Also, I still need you to prove to me according to biblical standard how a nation anthem became a symbol of worship not frm any other source.
3)The early christians disobeyed the authority only when they are being persecuted and not because of the civic duties the authority demanded from them.
I still dont knw hw a nation claim to be a religious organization.

JMAN05:
Caesars thing. The problem here is that that flag has been proven to be something other than just a pole and a piece of cloth.



We should, but this thing you sing about is not just a song like a secular song you sing. But it is something else. The encyclopedia I gave and other secular books bears on this.



But that is not what the national anthem signifies. My vow to my wife during our wedding will be in accordance with what has been stated in the scriptures as it affects husbands. Your vow to your nation is not with this limitation.

Guy, plz go and sit down. Who, how, where and when did a nations anthem become a religious song. You see the problem with you guys, you dont think with your head. If a nations anthem/flag is a religious symbol, then an organizational logo (mission statement) is also a religious symbol and you guys should desist from working/school in any organization that is owned by human. Do you knw that every school, lets say UNN, has its anthem and logo, and its expected that every student of the university act in accordance to the anthem and also feel proud where and when ever he/she sees the logo. How is that different from that of a nation. I repeat again. Your double standard is too much.

JMAN05:
It is not serving the nation with all your strength. For eg, you are not there going to war. Pledging to serve the nation with all your strength is not only what is done in the NYSC. It means that with your strength, you are ready to use that your strength to whatever level the country calls for. Jehovah's witnesses wont obey you in going to the army. That refusal is against that pledge. So we dont give to the country all they detect.

If I tell you say una double standard too much, e go b like say I dey lie. You knw nysc have an anthem, you also knw that after 3-5 days in camp, you are being sworn in as a corper willing to uphold your duty to the country and community where you are being posted. Whats the different btw that and the national anthem. Talking abt the army, I gues you knw that the nysc is like a mini-army but in this case, you are not going into battle, but you are going to fight for the developemnt, peance and unity of the community where you are to be posted. I think you shld try and read all abt nysc. You guys are like a man who joins an armed robberry gang in sharing their loot and making plans/strategy on their next operation. Then when its time to strike, you then claim its morally wrong to rob, but you still go ahead to share the loot when they return and also aid in making plan for next operation.

tuttisweet:
Patiently waiting @AltarBoy1. We are in the same boat. Been refreshing my mail box all night.

The thing don tire me. Are they doing random selection or what, or is exp in the oil sector part of the criteria. So what exactly is the problem.

Na wa o. Am still trying to figure out why i didnt get any invite. Cos some said dey have 2.2, some said they didnt have up to 5 B's. So what could be wrong.

crixtex:
Just got my text and email ds evening.... wit a 2.2 result... God thanks for spotting me out o

wch position did you apply for?

AltarBoy1:
Make una answer me na. Who applied for reservoir eng that got the invite.

Does it mean that non of the invitee applied for reservoir engineering.

Make una answer me na. Who applied for reservoir eng that got the invite.Does it mean that non of the invitee applied for reservoir engineering.

Have anyone that applied for reservoir eng got d invite.

Na today. Not so long ago, I went to a near by clinic. A boy of about 3yrs died right there. I dont realy knw who to blame, but all am sure was that I could hear the mother calling on the nurses that the boy is vomiting, but none of the nurses went to check on the boy. All of them jst sit down doing nothing. 5mins later, the boy. I was realy vexed, cos I was believe that if the nurses had responded when the mother was calling them, maybe the boy wont have died. SMH for some nurses.

omenpetrol:
Don't Believe 100% what people say on NL. Banks recruitment can take up to 9 months. just relax. when they start calling you would know. smallpeepee. did you write with us? is it experienced or entry level, were is the evidence of your interview. prove to us

I dont knw what to believe anymore. Getting to 5mnths after success mail. Even if na UN security council job we dey apply for, e no go long like this.

So na so these Union Banl wan use scam us.

Plz who/where is that guy that talked about etisalat N15 for 5min bundle plan. Plz, is it still working and whats the fair usage.

Mobidot:
Was the Sahara power test similar to this one? Please throw more light on this.

Almost. That of sahara had numerical and electrical assesment. No mechanical.

indigene:
I believe you love God, and his written word the Bible? I sincerely believe you do.
Could you please give honor to God, by reading bible book of Daniel chapter 3 vss 1-30., and please relate the lessons you draw therein.

Somethings governments official descrate their constitution.

The fourth amendement in US and freedom of speech in Nigeria constitution, and likewise in other nations is deemed to be sacred.

Citizens can exercise this right, when their conscience thinks otherwise, will it be fair to say that the great Zik of Africa to be unpatrotic, in his notable "No Comment"?

Jehovah's witnessess has fought for citizens rights to personal freedom of association, speech, movement, conscience etc, in many countries of the world psst and presently. login into their website www.jw.org and click newsroom, and review these battles for citizens rights.They have in no time instructed their members not to sing the anthem, or recite the pledge, but were persuaded to use the principles found in the bible, which the strongly respect to exercise their individual conscience, neither do they perduade anyone not to do so.

What I am saying, individual rights to speech, association, and exercise of ones conscience should be respected.
The late Pope John Paul 1 said, its a clear rape, when ones rights and conscience is abused or trampled upon, whatever the are. (search the archives of Romano Observatory).

I dont knw if this post was directed to me or to sm1 else. I was never argueing with you on the morals of reciting the anthem or not. My own is, what ever you want to believe in, believe. But dont come arnd to condem others who dont believe in such. There is no way that someone who obey all the duties of his country will be termed as idolatry in christianity neither will not obeying most or some part of the civic duties of your country makes one a sinner. Everyone to his faith and belief.

francizy:
I thought as much!
How far nah?
How you dey?
Longest time..
Man still dey hustle for job oh!
2.1 is as useless as an ordinary paper..
I don tire..

Me don reach 18mnths I never see anything do. Even teaching jobs wey I apply, nothing yet. Sometimes E be me like mk i jst gv up go strt business.

Ukutsgp:
@JMAN05

are u people nt using the national currency which is part of this world system? Are u people nt working in government institutions?

Is pledging to serve ur country well a sin? Is a nation a graven images that u bow down to? Should we nt be faithful, loyal, and honest to our country?

Dnt u tell ur wife that u love her with all ur heart? Does that mean u are worshipping her?

Good. Shebi dem dey carry our money around!!! Wch is a national symbol to our nation and also a form of idolatry. Nna eh, these guys double standard too much. Like I said earlier, they shld go and do away with that the logo, cos its a way of showing allegence to watch tower and also idolatry. You cant show allegence to two master, you must love one more than the other, JW or God.

indigene:
The english word there is practising, not proffessing. Just like my dad, and my uncles who proffess to be catholics, but never atteneded church over decades as I can observe.
You may not be aware that past church cathedrals or churches in Italy, UK, Germany has been turned into movie halls, hotels, supermarkets.
The word I used is Practising, not Dormant sleeping giants in numbers.

Its still flawed. In Italy, Brazil or Mexico where catholics make up more than 80percent of the christian population. With JW's and other christians making up less than 20percent. Even if more than half the catholic population are dormant/lapsed, there is still no way the JW's will be the highest practicing christians. So plz tell me another lie as this one doesnt carry any weight. In countries like brazil/Mexico, I may axept if you say the normal protestan are the most practicing set. But alas, it still didnt get anywhere near the normal practicing catholic. Try and have a base before you throw a lie.

indigene:
Jehovah's witnessess is the highest practicing religion in Italy, the background of pope, Japan, USA, if the fragmented baptist churches excluded as not one body, Canada' Mexico, Brazil, Germany

chai... You can lie o. Where did you get your statistics from. Catholicm makes abt 75percent of Italian christians, 10percent are other orthordox churches then the rest protestant with JW inclusives. Japan's christian population is less than 2percent. Even a primary sch kid knws fully well that Mexico and Brazil are more like a catholic nation. So plz, bring up another lie as this one have failed you.

JMAN05:
You pledge to Nigeria your country to be faithful loyal and honest. to serve Nigerian with all your strength, to defend her unity and uphold her honor and glory. Then you expect God to also help you.

Luk 10:27

In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself."

Can you make such a vow and still claim to be serving God? You have made a vow to serve your land with all your strength, and uphold her honor and glory. To also serve with faithfulness and honesty. Nothing is wrong with faithfulness, however, what will you do if the constitution of your land demands you do something against God's laws? Will you serve your country with faithfulness? Remember what you vow, you will pay.

The double standard that you guys display is something else. Shey una dey do NYSC? Are you guys not obeying the clarion call during the process? Coming for CDS, clearance and other things. Abi is that one too not serving the nation with all you have?

The early Christians could not conscientiously participate in the patriotic rites of the Roman Empire. In commenting on the matter, The Book of Culture says: “The Christians, however, strong in their faith, would take no such oath of loyalty. And because they did not swear allegiance to what we would to-day consider as analogous to the Flag, they were considered politically dangerous.”

Saluting the Flag:

Are national flags simply signs serving some utilitarian function? What do they symbolize? “Nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” stated author J. Paul Williams. The Encyclopedia Americana says: “The flag, like the cross, is sacred.” The flag is the symbol of the State. Therefore, bowing down to it or saluting it is a religious ceremony that gives reverence to the State. Such an act ascribes salvation to the State and does not harmonize with what the Bible says about idolatry.

Chai So ridiculous. How did saluting the flag become idolatary. You can as well say that Christ was encouraging idolatry when he said we shld give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser. I bet, those of you guys that work in an organization where the logo of the company is being crested on the uniform in which the workers wear or probably school badge are also practicing idolatry since you are displaying the symbol of your organization/school right on your chest. Cos the badge is an organizations chief symbol of faith and central object of worship. Also, you guys should try and take down your logo of your books and magazines.

The Scriptures clearly state: “Salvation belongs to Jehovah.” (Psalm 3: Salvation is not to be ascribed to human institutions or their symbols. The apostle Paul admonished fellow Christians: “My beloved ones, flee from idolatry.” (1 Corinthians 10:14) The early Christians did not participate in acts of worship of the State. In the book Those About to Die, Daniel P. Mannix observes: “Christians refused to . . . sacrifice to the [Roman] emperor’s genius—roughly equivalent today to refusing to salute the flag.” So it is with true Christians today.

When did any nation claim to give salvation?

That book of Romans is not calling for unlimited obedience. No. When the apostles were ordered not to preach the goodnews by those in authority, they said they would "obey God as ruler rather than men". Acts 5:29

So the obedience we give to God is with our whole soul, strength, and heart. But to other authorities, like the Government, we pay relative subjection - In as much as there laws dont contradict God's, to whom we pay unlimited allegiance, we will obey. But if it goes against God's, we will obey God as ruler rather than men.

SMH

indigene:
Jehovah's witnessess as a collective group ranges up to 8.5million persons worldwide, even this collective numbers, numbered more than many nations who re UN members.

The question my dear, if you re a President of a country, who re your cherished citizens? those who pay their taxes and dues promptly, but do not sing the anthem, or those who sing with vim and vigor, and loot the public tresaury in broad day light. Be reasonable,
I could even sense your lack of patriotisim for Nigeria, the energy in your handwritting gives you away.
Let me ask, what have you done for Nigeria lately?
Take time to visit http://jw.org

All I see here is emotional disorder. What makes you think that some JW's dont evade tax? What makes you think that one who evade tax is as a result of his religious orientation? If you want to defend your teaching, come up with something logically ok and reasonable. Not trying to play reverse psychology on someone.

indigene:
You really give out your right, when you don't exercise your freedom of speech, either to remain silent or speak, the US call this the fourth amendement.
In the pledge, which is the progeny of anthem. You said before men, To serve Nigeria with all your strength, if you do so, will you not be disobeying Christ, Who commanded that We should serve God with all your strength? Hence can you serve two masters.
Jehovah's witnessess are highly respected by government officials, because they honestly pay their taxes and dues, But its unfortunate and sad, that those who sing the anthem and recite the pledge loot the public tresuary at whim.
Jehovah's witnessess is the highest practicing religion in Italy, the background of pope, Japan, USA, if the fragmented baptist churches excluded as not one body, Canada' Mexico, Brazil, Germany, their praises had been extolled by the great Zik,
No human force can destroy them as a group, When other religious bodies cower under the tyrannic regime of Adolf Hitler, and Benito Mussulino, Its on historical record, that ONLY Jehovah's witnesses stood firm to death, NOT to say Hail Hitler.
These coward acts by hypocritical clergymen and women, lead to catholics killing catholics, Anglicans killing Anglican, verse versa, Muslims killing Muslims, Hindus, budhist, methodist, and fragments of atheists, pagans, etc, just hailling Hitler as savior of the world.Here in Nigeria many of them will buried or shot to death, because the refused to join the army, especially in biafra held area.
My observation here, in this thread showed that, youngsters are just repeating along the road from school tales

Crap.....