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TrajansKong:
You clearly know nothing about plantation societies and slavery. We were not even considered human. To the Christians we had no souls. Bibles were given in orde to control us beacause they contained passages exhorting slaves to obey their masters.

Your final sentence reminds me that you are in the global majority of Black opinion. That we are still passionately dedicated and self-hating slaves - and that we are doomed and deserve no place at the table of nations.

If I was a Christian I'd pray for you...

You clearly know nothing about being a nominal christian. These were people afraid of hell and sin. And it'd be the greatest sin not to avail another the means to salvation. How come they did not give them only the part on slavery or just have them memorize it so they never learn to read?
They were compelled to be human and empathetic BECAUSE THEY WERE NOMINAL CHRISTIANS. Without Christianity the depth of depravity would have been unbelievable.

So this is shake shaku. She can dance.

Lirqur:
It's funny you think Democracy is for the good of man. You'll soon see the evil in it.

Democracy is not perfect but it is the best of all systems man has tried.

TrajansKong:
You have just demonstrated abysmal ignorance of the basic dehumanising facts of the slave trade, if you can state 'human sacrifices' and other unnamed practices were worse than slavery and that Christianity saved us from them! How low an opinion must you have of us and our cultures, values and history to reach thus conclusion.

Thanks for answering the question in the affirmative from a believers standpoint:.

You've made my point and made me sad for Africa.

Bros, the video itself said the masters were compelled to give the slaves bibles. Because it would be a huge sin not to. They were also compelled to do other things due to their nominal subscription to christianity. That's the avenue through which many learned to read and others became pastors. Christianity made that possible. BTW, note that today Africans in Africa who were never enslaved would love to be in US.

They mindlessly copied America. Nigeria does not need two. One is enough. And that one should, in fact, be part time.

CuteMadridista:
Jesus was obviously against the way Sabbath was being done, read your bible

I think I'm done here

Cheers, HopefulLandlord

Christ never said move the Sabat to Sunday.

TrajansKong:
No. No. No.

It's like saying Christians were enslavers and the spirit of Christianity as commanded by your god of your bible explicitly commanded and instituted slavery! This is the point of the thread. We are Christians ONLY through the slavery and torture of our kinfolk.

It is that simple.

Have u lost it? U seem to be talking gibberish.
You can't be a robber and claim to be a Christian at the same time. The two are incompatible. So is enslaving another human being. It is repugnant to true christian spirit, regardless of what any book says.

CuteMadridista:
So something being good or bad has nothing to do with the Bible but some invisible spirit that resides in your head? okay, keep telling yourself that and I'm actually okay with it so long barbaric nonsense endorsed in the bible like slavery isn't supported by the voices in your head

About sabat, obviously Jesus was against the strictness with which sabbath was being done so its not surprising seeing it move read your bible

You can't understand a living spirit inside u, hence u KNOW what is right or wrong, not because it is written anywhere. Christ nor any other biblical person endorsed moving the Sabat to Sunday. Explain that.

CuteMadridista:
If a Christian commits robbery then its obvious he's sinned as its written in black and white in the Bible that it's a sin

however slavery was endorsed in the Bible so how you moved from "Slavery is okay" in the Bible to "Its a sin" is what I find baffling and conjuring one spirit does nothing to buttress your point but a copout attempt that fails before it even gets off

Bros, once again, true Christianity is guided by spirit. Slavery will never be ok to a true christian.
It'd be immediately repugnant to him - a clear sin. Example, not keeping the Sabat on Saturday is also a "sin" but the spirit allows it.
There are so many laws in OT that were not explitly abolished by Christ or anybody but by spirit we know not to obey them.

CuteMadridista:
No matter where you run to you'll meet me there!

Jesus was obviously against stoning people to death as the story of the adulterous woman showed so any Christian that advocates stoning someone to death is going against what the bible says

slavery however.......

Was Lord Jesus also for making Sunday the Sabat?
If He was for slavery how come He had none and we're supposed to be like him. How come in all His preaching He never said slavery was ok.
Point is, true christian spirit would immediate find the idea slavery odious, regardless of what the Bible says or doesn't say.

TrajansKong:
I'll give you a second chance to answer the question you are struggling with. This is not a 'trick' question.

We came to Jesus through slavery, mass-rape and colonialism: Is your personal salvation through 'knowledge' of Jesus Christ worth the bloodshed and rape of our brothers and sisters

My broda, what say you?

Our brothers and sisters would have had it much worse but for Christianity. They probably would have been used as human sacrifices to various gods. Most early civil rights leaders were pastors. Stop lying to yourself.

TrajansKong:
Please!!! At the very least, read your magic book. The rules for owning, beating and selling people and their children were given by your god to his people and, by extension, to oyinbo and yourself as an even more turbo-charged believer.

Read your damn Bible! Enslaving others is a fundamental tenet of your faith.

Why r u obsessed with book. The same book also says we should stone people to death for various sins - something totally odious to the christian spirit. I can assure u, if a slave owner imbibes the Spirit of Christ, he won't be a slave owner for long. He CAN'T!

CuteMadridista:
Christians on this thread who keeps screaming "Christians fought against slavery" are ignoring the simple fact that "Christians fought FOR slavery too" those in support of slavery at the time were also majorly Christians and dare I say those that were fighting in support actually have their stand backed by the Bible

It's like like saying Christians commit robberies too.
The mere fact u r commuting robbery means u don't have the spirit of chistianity.

CuteMadridista:
Lmao! can you elucidate sir

There is nothing to elicidate. It is self-explanatory.
THE BIBLE IS A BOOK. CHRISTIANITY IS GUIDED BY SPIRIT.

CuteMadridista:
Oga, you're just trying hard to distance yourself from the slavery endorsing bible cuz you're ashamed your god could've endorsed such a barbaric practice.

Your seeing it as a "sin" proves you have the qualities of a good person whose actions are compatible with modern civilization.

The Bible is a BOOK that has been around for millenia, and, like anything that has to do with man, could have easily been corrupted.
True Christianity is guided by spirit not book.
And things like slavery and other human atrocities are immediately repugnant to that spirit.

CuteMadridista:
Nothing to do with Bible?

Lmao! please go and take several seats

The Bible is a BOOK that has been around for millenia, and, like anything that has to do with man, could have easily been corrupted.
True Christianity is guided by spirit not book.
And things like slavery and other human atrocities are immediately repugnant to that spirit.

CuteMadridista:
Off target!

The Bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against slavery is against it inspite of the fact that they were Christians NOT because they were. its obvious whatever made them go against it was something outside the Bible not something inside it

Bros, u r confusing two things. You are confusing the bible with christianity. There are many things in the bible that run counter to the christian spirit and that are not christian pronciple. I repeat what I posted:

There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

CuteMadridista:
"Slavery was a sin" says who? where exactly was that written in the bible?

U don't understand because u r not a christian. There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

TrajansKong:
Did you watch the video?

Did you read my first comments?

We came to Jesus through the mass murder and enslavement of our people.

The question you are refusing to answer is: Is your personal salvation through 'knowledge' of Jesus Christ worth the bloodshed and rape of our brothers and sisters

Over to you.

Why r u lying to yourself? The missionaries that took Christianity to Africa did so at great personal loss and risk. Had nothing to do with slavery. Chistianity constrained what would have been outright barbarism durring slavery.

CuteMadridista:
Oga, don't feed us, we know how to eat

Wilberforce fought for abolition of slavery inspite of the fact that he was a Christian NOT because he was a Christian

"Abolitionists were inescapably Christian in their motives, means, and vocabulary. Not that all abolitionists were orthodox Christians, though a large proportion were. But even those who had left the church drew on unmistakably Christian premises, especially on one crucial point: slavery was sin. Sin could not be solved by political compromise or sociological reform, abolitionists maintained. It required repentance; otherwise America would be punished by God. This unpopular message rankled an America that was pushing west, full of self-important virtue as God’s darling."

CuteMadridista:
absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Christianity fully endorses slavery so if slavery was ended it would be inspite of it not because of it

"Abolitionists were inescapably Christian in their motives, means, and vocabulary. Not that all abolitionists were orthodox Christians, though a large proportion were. But even those who had left the church drew on unmistakably Christian premises, especially on one crucial point: slavery was sin. Sin could not be solved by political compromise or sociological reform, abolitionists maintained. It required repentance; otherwise America would be punished by God. This unpopular message rankled an America that was pushing west, full of self-important virtue as God’s darling."

CuteMadridista:
absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Read about William Wilberforce and others, on what grounds did they fight for the abolition of slavery? TRUE Christianity is simply incompatible with man's inhumanity to man.

winner01:
They don't care about this

The bigotry is cloudy.

No mind them. Look at the countless number of inhumane and atrocious human customs and practices that ended BECAUSE of christianity.

Horus:
Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

But it was ultimately BECAUSE of that religion, Christianity, that slavery ended!

amani63:
No bro

Your thinking must be like Alex own

Arestmacase

Horus, you is a FOOL

Rigged as usual

amani63:
free me bro

What's the name of the phone am holding

Name doesn't matter. Can u really do Nairaland with that thing?

Penocruize:
Please i need your honest advice on a long time problem that has been bothering me concerning my sexual life, i am i guy of twenty
years old, i started masturbating in 2016 and thats almost 4years now, i read alot about the danger of masturbation such
as low sperm count, infertility, low brain performance, quick ejaculation etc.... i tried quiting masturbation several times as i always find
myself doing it again, somtimes i spend 2,3,5,6 days or even a week withiout masturbating, but i then suddenly get back to
it especially when i seems to have a pornographic material which triggers me to go back. when i took the challenge of not
masturbtiing for two weeks, i noticed a lot of positive changes in me, infact when i eventually got aroused i jacked off
plenty **sperm** than i normally do when i masturbate daily. i have decided to quit masturbation onece and for all and for good as
i have known my weekness (staying away from porn and other adult materials). i know its not easy as its a gradual process
but i know i can do it.....

***Now here comes the big question***
Can i regain my self as i use to be when i stop masturbation? like having high sperm count and late ejaculation(probably training my brain to do so)? and possibly good
brain performance as it used to be when i never got myself into this ruineous habit?......i don't want to have a problem
involving sexual capabilities to my future wife as i want to enjoy my life with no issues to te fullest.

i've seen how masturbation has caused so many problems in homes...

so please help me with your advice and God will bless you on my behalf.

U will definitely regain yourself as u were very quickly. Replace bad habits with prayers and a reward/punishment system whereby if u don't masturbate there'd give yourself a definite reward, but if u do, a definite punishment.

UDUJ:
And why should he be embarrassed? This is the reason we don't move forward. We place so much emphasis on immaterial things. So what if it's a cheap phone, what difference does it make? Or is a phone now a status symbol or a way of judging someone? smh

No one forced him to hold it, like he is showing it off.

amani63:
I don't know the nonsense you are talking about.

I still demand for the weed you took

You must be a crazy someone

I'm talking about your phone. Where am at people stopped seeing those type of phones a long time ago.