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I've copied the email address and will get in touch very soon, so you can now delete it to avoid spam mails.

[quote author=tpia@]^seriously, your posts are rather deep, i dont even know what to say.[/quote]Phew...i was starting to wonder if my brain was acting up.

Tony Spike, I forwarded an email about those word comparisons to the email address that you listed. Did you get it?

Olisa74, I've returned (kindly refer to the 1st page).
In February I went to Ikeja in search of iShopA.com but could not find their office and calls were not picked. so i had someone in computer village look at it for me. He got it to start and said the hard disk needed replacement. Do you think that is all to it?
When it is switched on the chime is heard, the screen comes on as grey and the apple logo is also there. After some seconds it switches off on its own and reboots and the cycle continues.

I also agree with tpia. But I see building on strange ways as building one's house on sand and living like a chimera with multiple minds or personality disorders. This to me is the reason for our stagnation and my suggested treatment for us to have clarity in our society is gradual withdrawal from foreign ways. We also need to stop looking down on our trad occupations if we want to call ourselves omo oodua.

The increase in the number of subscribers coincided with the introd uction of number portability which may also partly account for the high number of inactive subscribers. The possibility that the increase could also be due to individuals acquiring more lines to browse with should be considered as the report did not describe the subscribers as "unique".

prexios: Of course, farming and explorations are major part of the ancient enterprise of the Yoruba, farming was done to have enough meal for keep, exploration was engaged in in the name of hunting.

we can not wall ourselves in, we must pick up from where the present civilization has gotten us and develop homegrown version of whatever we think the white folks have with all honesty and spirit of comradeship if necessary.

Meanwhile, the ancestors were empire-builders, we can as well go into planned settlement development and encourage growth and resettlement around less developed places across Yorubaland.

charity begins at home, hence i am for wallimg ourselves in to achieve self-sustenance as a matter of priority and for self-preservation. oyinbo ways are terribly deviant and anti-nature, and i am sure obatala and oduduwa would not like us using strange ways as our foundation.

^^^That's quite diverse. I wonder how profitable they were. In addition to careers varying by location, some were characteristic of certain lineages and some could be engaged in irrespective of location like babalawo. During ceremonies like esentaye for newborns the child's career path is revealed and s/he is brought up along that.

I guess anyone who returns to his/her true career path, which probably has to do with our sojourn in this market called aye, had better be prepared to take advantage of the mass return of our people to our isese.

The "di" in idi and edi may mean "secure/lock/grasp/hold". In my opinion, edi is that entity who secures one's mind just like he did with moremi/iya. this is seen in the saying,
edi n di

and referred to by those of our people who, when caught for committing offences and cannot explain themselves, blame the devil of whom edi fits the profile.

To me, Edi is different from the odu named Odi, different persons.

What careers were awa omo oodua into prior to colonization? Oyinbo economies and associated jobs which we have been schizophrenically copying have been collapsing. Many of us are sick of oyinbo/corporate jobs and would like to engage in something traditional (natural and peaceful) part-time and full-time. How can an interested individual start / make the transition? How did our forefathers do it and flourish to the extent that the condescending oyinbo explorers could not deny our prosperity? If you are engaged in such or transiting already kindly share your experience as well.

The edi of the edi festival refers to someone and is dfifdrent from the idi (scroll) and the odu of ifa named odi. perhaps you should look at this odu. edi means hypnotist or charmer.

Tony Spike, I sent you an email. Did you get it?

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Tony Spike, i also did not know what to contribute but the interest could not be quenched. there is this edition of encyclopaedia britannica in which sangu is described as a title for hausawa/assyrian priests, but i have not yet found any literature about maguzawa traditional offices or titles to confirm. about 2 hrs ago i began to wonder if sango could be an alternative title for the expelled otun efa just as olosi for osi efa.

harlos,
Well, i know that when the initiates arrive or converge somewhere the non-initiates have to leave because for the latter it is a taboo to be present and is punishable with irresistable death. hence the initiates announe their presence by chanting "eriwo ya" and the non-initiates understand that they must not see the the secret.

@Obalufon, we are on the same page. Pls, can you help me understand why Orunmila is Ibikeji Olodumare not Ibikeji Olorun, and why Obatala is Son of Olorun not Son of Olodumare. If the understanding is not meant for non-initiates I will not probe further here.

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The details of the paper are:
A Ya Gbo, A Ya To: New Perspectives on Edan Ogboni
Babatunde Lawal, African Arts, Vol 28, No 1 (Winter, 1995), pp. 36-49+98-100
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3337249

There is an excellent journal paper about the Ogboni authored by Babatunde Lawal in which he translated "Eriwo Ya!" as "Lord of secrets, descend!". I know that "ri" means "to see or find" and remember that "ya" is used when refering to time of arrival or presence. Thus my my preferred translation of "eriwo ya" is "founder (or first one to see) of secrets (or mysteries), arrive (or make your presence known)!". In addition Orunmila is the first to see the secret of Odu, Oduduwa founded the Ogboni, Odu became Oduduwa, and Obatala married Oduduwa.

Well, I want to believe that many stories from Oyo about Sango are untrue, so I have no answer to your question.

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Elder Negro, greetings. Times have changed and I have not been able to participate actively on Nairaland due to certain circumstances.

Prexios, one of the kn"own translations of Aya" is "consort (spouse of a ruling monarch)" and I believe it is related to "Iya". "IYE" which has to do with life/existence as in the names "Aye"and "Jemiriye (not Jeremiah?)" has been suggested as Olodumare's name.

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I do not want to believe that the "ya" in "eriwo-ya" is the same as the jewish "yah" because the translation of the latter is fraudulent and shizoid, likewise the vowel therein. Have you considered the various tonal translations of the yoruba "ya": (1) apart, as in tear apart (2) give way (3) replicate/reproduce, as in drawing something on paper or taking a photograph (4) divert? I may not have listed all possible meanings but I want to believe the ones that fit into the context of a fortification being made to give way would be (1), (2) and (4). I know the agbalagba utter "eriwo-ya" when entering about to enter towns during certain functions. Perhaps you prexios and those who are familiar with its use can help in this regard.