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Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 5:41pm On Mar 04, 2015
major466:

This is where international collaboration between regional countries comes in. The bulk of Boko Haram weapons are shipped from North Africa down to Sudan and Chad. Remnants of the Arab spring. This is exactly why fighting terrorism is not a one country affair. All countries must be involved.
Very true. Nigeria must also be able to control its borders. It's difficult but it must be done.
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 5:40pm On Mar 04, 2015
change9ja:
This exactly wat I wanted to say to d op
I already answered this. There was already a march in Abuja. Other locations which are not under Boko Haram's control can do the same.
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 4:47pm On Mar 04, 2015
major466:
The major reason why Boko Haram thrive in the north is due to internal (Northern elements) and external factors coupled with sympathies for Boko haram by the locals.
This is true to some extent, that's why the display of some social solidarity by those not supporting them in the north would send a strong message to all the society. Most of the victims of Boko Haram are populations in the north.

External factors like funding, weapons imports, etc would have to be taken cared of by the police and intelligence security services.
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 1:16pm On Mar 04, 2015
I just want to say I hope people don't take this thread as me taking a dig at people in the north (the region most affected by Boko Haram), but really as a good idea to display some social solidarity against Boko Haram, extremism and intolerance.
Religion / Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:05pm On Mar 03, 2015
The faster you guys realize both Islam and Christianity are a bunch of crap, the better it will be...

Sure there's some wisdom in the torah, bible and koran as in any religions but there's also a lot of contradictions and archaic (aka non-progressive) stupidity.

The Abrahamic religions were spread by the means of the carrot and the stick to our people (and to their own Jewish, European and Arab people).

As African people we have our own set of spiritual beliefs. Nowadays people in Europe and America are abandoning religions for a more, let's say, natural/scientific worldview. So there's no reason to pray to the gods of our colonialist masters anymore.

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Religion / Re: Christ Is All by AmunRaOlodumare: 5:54pm On Mar 03, 2015
Here's what Jesus himself said about his mission:

"I Was Sent ONLY To The Lost Sheep Of Israel" - Jesus

Matthew 15:24
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 10:01am On Mar 03, 2015
Here's a nice video about the Abuja march:


Group Holds Solidarity March For Troops Fighting Boko Haram
http://www.channelstv.com/2015/02/28/group-holds-solidarity-march-for-troops-fighting-boko-haram/
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 3:18am On Mar 02, 2015
BodyKiss:


You sound very stvp!d. Just a post from an unknown, and you're typing all this nonsense.
Gullible fellow.

I did a google search and he seems to have made those comments. Are you saying the contrary? I'm not following you.
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 10:39pm On Mar 01, 2015
ziryboy:
You must be a fool for posting this. In a region Boko haram attack every time, you expect people to go for mass protest? do you want them to be attack? Idiot like you, you can't even think well
There was already a march in Abuja. Other locations which are not under Boko Haram's control can do the same.

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Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 10:36pm On Mar 01, 2015
Arch1:
The last time i checked, there was a march at Abuja yesterday. The last time i checked, Abuja is still in Northern Nigeria
That's exactly the type of events we should also see in other locations in the real North (border states for example). The people truly have the power especially in situation like this where Boko Haram needs supports and recruits to survive. It's also a good opportunity to reject clearly extremism and intolerance and make it a social value accepted by society at large. Abuja set a good example.
Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 10:31pm On Mar 01, 2015
eaglechild:

Why not.

If everyone stands firm against Boko Haram then they cannot thrive.
Exactly.

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Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:41pm On Mar 01, 2015
noblezone:
We had protests from people like Buhari!

"Stop killing Boko Haram members"

Buhari
Whoa! I can't believe he said that.

Thanks for the post, I guess I didn't follow the elections close enough. This is enough for me to put Buhari in the garbage bin even before knowing anything about his program or is past dictatorial history. It's simply unacceptable.

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Politics / Re: Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 6:26pm On Mar 01, 2015
I would especially like the opinions of people from the north.

While they have some sympathizer in the north, often jobless lost souls and criminals looking for a way to make money and a living, I think that most people don't support those crazy Boko Haram murderers. Most of the people they kill are muslims and in the north(east).

I don't think it's ok, to depicts all people in the north as Boko Haram sympathizers while in reality it's more logical that most of them would oppose them, being themselves victims from them.

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Politics / Why No Mass Protest March Against Boko Haram In Northern Nigeria? by AmunRaOlodumare: 5:48pm On Mar 01, 2015
I was reading this news wire:

Boko Haram: Thousands march in Cameroon to protest against the Islamist terror movement
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/boko-haram-thousands-march-in-cameroon-to-protest-against-the-islamist-terror-movement-10077630.html

Why is there no such mass protest march against Boko Haram in the muslim North of Nigeria?

That is exactly the region where those type of march would have more symbolic value and social impact. It would be a big 'NO' to any kind of muslim extremism by the muslim populations (and others) in northern Nigerians, the region most affected by the atrocities and susceptible to be recruited by the Boko Haram islamists.

If they have been protests against Boko Haram in the north, I'm sorry, please post some links. BTW I know most people in the North are against Boko Haram (they are crazy murderers), here I'm talking about a public display of rejection of Boko Haram and its values (or lack thereof). A show of solidarity. Sending a strong message.

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Politics / Re: 4 Boko Haram Islamists Arrested [] by AmunRaOlodumare: 6:18pm On Feb 28, 2015
^^^You shouldn't be surprised because we know the Boko Haram islamists receive their funding and support from somewhere. Even the Charlie Hebdo murderers were trained in Yemen.
Politics / 4 Boko Haram Islamists Arrested [] by AmunRaOlodumare: 4:33pm On Feb 28, 2015
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Culture / Re: What Is Preventing Africa From Experiencing A Cultural Renaissance? by AmunRaOlodumare: 2:48pm On Feb 28, 2015
pazienza:
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We must redraw the map of Africa and build stable countries built on cultural homogeneity
If you knew anything about Africa you would know no such thing exist. For Yoruba for example, past Kingdoms either subdivided Yoruba into smaller units or comprises people who were not Yoruba while leaving some Yoruba out of the Kingdom. You have an European/Abrahamic mindset. Leave the cultural homogeneity to Hitler.

There's no way you can subdivide African countries into smaller units where there won't exist any ethnic minority in it. No matter how you cut African countries there's always ethnic minority within the smaller units generated.

Don't ever follow tribalist politicians. They do it for their own personal gain. Always favor politicians which preach unity in diversity and protection and promotion of the cultural richness of the country.

For example:

National Politician A) Want to protect Yoruba languages and culture=tribalist
National Politician B) Want everybody to be similar=cultural homogeneity=tribalist
National Politician C) Want to protect the languages and cultures of every ethnic/sub-ethnic groups in Nigeria. =non tribalist

Of course, it's ok to fight to promote the Yoruba cultures and language (which are diverse by itself), but it is always with the understanding that other cultural groups also have the right and responsibility to promote their own culture and languages (as long as it is one based on the respect of others: live and let live, this exclude Jihadist culture and other crazy fascist stuff like that). Unity in diversity.

This is true for Africa, but it is also true for the whole world in general. You can be part of the European Union and still maintain your own languages and culture. If Hitler tries to take over the European Union, all the diverse ethnic groups and culture in Europe must fight him. So good national politicians fight to protect the ethnic diversity and cultural diversity of all parts of the country.
Politics / Boko Haram – The Long Shadow Of Usman Dan Fodio by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:44am On Feb 28, 2015
Boko Haram – the long shadow of Usman dan Fodio

By

Rene Wadlow

There has been growing concern with the activities of Boko Haram in northeast Nigeria and its spillover into northern Cameroon, Niger, and in the Lake Chad area. There has been a recent conference of the African Union on the issue, and military units from Chad, Cameroon and Niger are linking up with the Nigerian army to counter the growing power of the organization and its possible links with the Islamic State (ISIS) in Iraq-Syria. The practice of forced marriage, the slavery of women and girls, and arbitrary killing – including beheading – has led many to flee the area. This has resulted in a large number of displaced people, often living in difficult situations.

Boko Haram is not the first militant, anti-establishment Islamic movement in northern Nigeria and northern Cameroon. In the early 1980s, an Islamic sect, the Yan Tatsine unleashed an armed insurrection against the Nigerian security forces, especially in the Kano area. The revolts were led (or at least influenced by) a wandering preacher, Mohammed Marwa Maitatsine. Maitatsine was a nickname added to the family name of Marwa. The nickname originated from the Hausa word “tsini” meaning “to damn”. While preaching, he would name his enemies and their lifestyle and end with the phrase ‘Allah ta tsini” (May God damn you), thus the name “the one who damns”. Maitatsine, like Boko Haram, damned all those who enjoyed Western consumer goods, automobiles, radio, watches, and especially Western education, which was an avenue to these goods.

As with Boko Haram, there were ideological, economic and social aspects to the movement as well as reactions to the brutality of the Nigerian army’s efforts to weaken or destroy the movement. In the case of Mohammed Marwa, his control of territory was largely limited to the city of Kano, and he was killed by Nigerian security forces relatively quickly after the start of the armed attacks of his movement. However, the socio-economic conditions which led to the rise of his movement have continued and have produced smaller and less violent currents until the creation around 2002 of Boko Haram, first as a sect closed in on itself in an isolated area of Borno State in northeast Nigeria, and then for the last four years as an armed insurgency holding an ever-larger territory − or at least creating insecurity in ever larger areas.

For the current leader of Boko Haram, Abubaka Shekau, as well as for others in the movement, Usman dan Fodio (also written as Usuman) and his 1804-1808 jihad is the model to be followed. Although radically different in many ways, Boko Haram is part of the long shadow of Usman dan Fodio and the creation of the Sokoto Caliphate, the largest state in West Africa in the nineteenth century. Toyin Falola describes the background to the jihad:

“The background to the jihad was a crisis in the Hausa states and Islamic leaders’ resort to Islam to reform society. During the eighteenth century, Hausa society witnessed conflicts between one state and another, between Muslims and non-Muslims, between rich and poor. The states were heterogeneous and highly developed with established kingships, talented Islamic scholars and jurists. Succession disputes were endemic while ambition for political domination was common. Gofir state in the northwest emerged as a dominant power, but not without costly and ruthless wars. Merchants and kings grew wealthy, and their ostentatious living displeased the poor and devout Muslims. Methods of wealth accumulation involved corruption and unjust treatment of the poor. Taxes and levies could be excessive, demand for free labor ruinous, enslavement was common and conscription for military service was indiscriminate. The practice of Islam was not always strict: many were Muslims only in name, traditional religion was synthesized with Islam in a way that displeased devout preachers and only a small minority committed itself to spreading the religion”.[1]

Dan Fodio (1754-1817) was a Peul (plu. Fulani) and thus a member of a minority within the largely Hausa area. However, the Fulani are found throughout West Africa. Prior to 1800, there had been a gradual influx of Fulani into northern Nigeria, a migration which had spread over several centuries and which involved people who were ethnically and linguistically distinct from the Hausa. During the earlier migratory phases, they were largely pastoral herdsmen but increasingly they settled in Hausa towns.

As an educated Peul, dan Fodio felt excluded from political power as did other Fulani. The jihad and the distribution of power that followed led to the Sokoto Caliphate − a sort of unified theocracy. Old Hausa dynasties were replaced by new local leaders, mainly Fulani emirs. The caliphate was headed by a sultan, based in Sokoto, while local emirates were governed by an emir. The appointment of each emir had to be ratified by the sultan. Thus was created a Fulani-Hausa political area with elements still in place today.

Dan Fodio, often referred to as Shehu, was an educated preacher who gathered around him students who became the core of his jihad army. Dan Fodio knew the history of Islam and wanted to recreate the Muslim community of the time of the first four Caliphs, thought of as the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. He thus broke down the existing Hausa state system of some 15 separate states into a loosely organized Fulani-Hausa confederation of some 30 emirates with loyalty beyond the clan and the traditional ruler within the embrace of a common religion.

Two features tended to characterize the emirate system. First, there was virtually no distinction between religious and political authority. The emir possessed both. Second, politics was conducted in an essentially despotic fashion. The common man was subservient to the emir and was dependent on his benevolence. The Fulani jihad fell short of establishing the just Islamic theocracy it had purported to create. Many saw the jihad as a road to power rather than to the purity of religious practice.

Boko Haram has kept the use of flags and flag bearers from dan Fodio’s jihad as well as the arbitrary killing and indiscriminate marauding. In Boko Harma, there seem to be few Islamic scholars in their ranks, but there do seem to be some who have been to Islamic schools. The future from today is very uncertain. It is unlikely that there is a “military answer.” Changes in socio-economic conditions are likely to take a long time. From a distance, it is difficult to see how good faith negotiations can be carried out between governments and Boko Haram. Long shadows can last for centuries, but we must keep trying to see how negotiations can be carried out and if non-governmental organizations can play an intermediary role.

Rene Wadlow is President and Representative to the United Nations, Geneva of the Association of World Citizens.

http://www.transconflict.com/2015/02/boko-haram-the-long-shadow-of-usman-dan-fodio-162/
Religion / Jesus: "I Was Sent ONLY To The Lost Sheep Of Israel" by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:46pm On Feb 26, 2015
Matthew 15:24

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 3:15pm On Feb 23, 2015
macof:
@AmunRaOlodumare
I will ignore ur insults maybe you are in a bad mood today


With this, more is known about upper Egypt than lower Egypt, as such nobody can say with assurance how the lower Egyptians got their culture either through trading with the levant or having common roots

Consider The utter difference between pre-dynastic lower Egypt and black Africa
1. The Merimde culture had no cemeteries, but buried their dead in their settlements while the black Africans take burial seriously and erect tombs for the high and rich and separate lands for burying the dead
2. Their Pottery had no designs
3. The Maadi culture did develop cemeteries but had no ceremonial funerals, very unlikely of a black African people
4. In lower Egypt servants weren't buried with kings, upper Egypt and most of black Africa...especially in West Africa did this
Relationships between lower and upper Egypt before 4000BC isn't known

Evidence of the earliest settlements in
Egypt where agriculture was practiced is in
the north (Fayum A and Merimda), where
the domesticates are thought to have been
introduced from SW Asia (Trigger 1983:
17)

It's left for people to wait for further information or throw opinions around, but you are NO AUTHORITY on ancient Egypt
I'm sorry, I didn't mean my argumentative style to come out as insults. I intended to attack the ideas not the person which I respect.

You are right about the cultural influence of the Levant in the Merimbe culture. Upon verification, I was wrong earlier (I did use the iirc form) about the pottery which had Levantine influence. Let's recall that ultimately it's the Tasian/Badarian/Naqada, coming from the South (related to ancient pre-dynastic "Nubian" area cultures) which became the foundation of pre-dynastic and dynastic Ancient Egypt.

It's quite possible this cultural influence could have existed with limited instances of admixtures with the Levant. Although as any instances of interaction between people (trading, etc), there would undoubtedly exist instances of admixtures :

For this you must take this into account.
" Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. " - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization (Kemp, 2005, p.54)

If they are the same people, or highly admixed with them, how come the analysis of the human remains says the contrary?

Pre-dynastic Lower Egypt is notorious for the lack of archeological sites, which may simply reflect the lack of settlements in that area in that time period.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter because the foundation of the Ancient Egyptian state lays in continuity with the development of the Tasian/Badarian/Naqada culture.

And for the original topic of this thread, it doesn't really matter if Ancient Egyptians were black or not. Or even if Jesus was black or not (which he obviously wasn't.). Even if Zulu are blacks, it doesn't mean Nigerian people must adopt Zulu culture and customs more than those of Ancient Egyptians or any person/people deemed black. African people are made of various populations, each with their own history (which also include shared origins), religions, customs, cultures, etc. sharing both similarities and differences between each others.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 8:18pm On Feb 22, 2015
bigfrancis21:


@bold...that's what you have been brainwashed to believe. Why was Jesus, his mother and father asked to run and hide in farway Egypt in Africa, the land of Ham (Ham means brown or sunburnt in Hebrew even till today), to take refuge from the persecuting Pharoah? Why not Libya or the land of Aamu, if he were light-skinned? Where is your common sense?
By that time period (and even earlier in the Delta), Egypt was already inhabited by people of foreign origins from various foreign conquest of Egypt (Hyksos, Assyrians, Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, etc). Massive migrations from Western Asia and Europe, as well as subsequent demographic expansion, changed the ethnic composition of Ancient Egypt to what it is today. Diluting the proportion of African ancestry we can see in modern Egypt.

You can read some reference about it here:

CHANGE IN THE ETHNIC COMPOSITION OF MODERN EGYPT:

We all know in terms of ethnic composition, modern Egypt, is much different from Ancient Egypt.

Contemporary Egypt, is mostly an ethnic admixture between foreign invaders and conquerors and indigenous African people. Autosomally, as a whole, they tend to cluster more with Eurasian especially the Middle East. In the south, populations like Nubians probably cluster more with Africans. All this is because of massive immigration from Europe and western Asia which started already in dynastic time, culminating in the Hyksos (Aamu) foreign rule during the second intermediate period, as well as during the late periods up to now (Assyrians, Arab conquest, British colonization, etc).


As a consequence the many invasions of ancient Egypt, the population has changed over the years. There were Hyksos (Heka Khasut) from Asia, who melted into the Delta Region around 1500 B.C.E., and then a series of invasions by the Assyrians, Persians and Greeks. With the arrival of large groups of Arabians in the seventh century C.E., the racial character of Egypt began to change.

The resultant mixtures of Africans, Arabs, Greeks and Persians were to be jointed with Turks, Russians, Albanians, British, and French to create a different population that there had been during the ancient times.

One cannot say that today's Egypt is the same as the Egypt of antiquity anymore than one can say that today's North America is the same as it was 5000 years ago.
- From The Oxford Encyclopedia of African Thought, Volume 1 (2010)



With the passage of time, each wave of new immigrants has assimilated into the local mix of peoples , making modern Egypt a combination of Libyans, Nubians, Syrians, Persians, Macedonians, Romans, Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Greeks, Italians, and Armenians, along with the descendants of the people of ancient Egypt.
- From A Brief History of Egypt by Jr. Goldschmidt Arthur (2007)




- Alexander the Great’s conquest of Egypt, in 332 BCE, precipitated a period of mass immigration .
from Ethnicity (Riggs, 2012)

The Late Period is often singled out as the time when mass immigration into Egypt altered the character of the country
from A Companion to Ancient History Edited by Andrew Erskine (2009)



The Muslim conquerors did not attempt a mass conversion of Christianity to Islam, if only because that would have reduced the taxes non-Muslims were compelled to pay, but a number of other factors were at work. Arab men could marry Christian women and their children would become Muslim. Large-scale Arab immigration into Egypt began during the eighth century.
from A History of Egypt: From Earliest Times to the Present by Jason Thompson (2009)

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:48pm On Feb 22, 2015
Allow me to repost what I said above about the subject of this thread:

Dragonking:


bros dont misconstrue the idea..what am sayin is that blacks were the true inhabitants of egypt and isreal..try to watch the youtube link i posted.
Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

While distantly related to each others in time. For example, all Niger-Kordofanian speakers share a common past (at the very least at the time of the proto-Niger-Kordofanian language). We still have evolved and migrated in different regions since that time to become our own people, with our own religions and customs.

Freedom of religions. Freedom of beliefs. Freedom to not believe in any religions (atheism, agnosticism). Religious pluralism. Diversity of religions. Are the best protection against fascism and those who want to restrict our liberty.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.
Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:42pm On Feb 22, 2015
macof:


but retained certain cultural traits that show us the links we have found out
I posted sources which refute your claims and you still blabbering about the same shit? I talk science, you talk with evidence out of your ass. Read what I posted to you then come back with something substantial not make-believe just because it sounds possible to you.

I know you have difficulty to read things then take it into account in your replies to me but here's another scientific source from a reputable mainstream source (Oxford Encyclopedia).

[b]"Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns , appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons. [...] Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization"[/b] - The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt, Volume 3. Oxford University Press (2001). p.28

Ancient DNA taken from actual Ancient Egyptians mummies (not make believe) also show us that Ancient Egyptians were mostly black Africans similar to current people living in Central, Southern and Western Africa. For example, Ramses III is from the E1b1a lineage (BMJ study). The lineage as the majority of sub-Saharan African people in those regions. The autosomal STR profile of the 18th and 20th Royal Dynasty are mostly prevalent in the Great Lakes, Southern and Western African regions (JAMA, BMJ and DNA Tribes analysis). This could all be a big coincidence, but I doubt it. That's science, not make-believe.

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:23pm On Feb 22, 2015
macof:
@bigfrancis if my African religiosity is blinding my reasoning, isn't that better than an African like you being blinded by christianity and his love and addiction to Hebrew shiit
My reasoning is a million times above yours, cus I already have pride in my African Gods and don't need to turn a middle eastern people into blacks, or turn my people into Hebrews to feel better about myself
That's true, but anyway I don't see why those poor Christianized and brainwashed Africans would want to claim Ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt was a great PAGAN nation like Ancient Greece for example (also known as the Cradle of Western Civilization). They developed the science and knowledge Christianity tried to put down during the dark ages. Even in the Bible Ancient Egypt is treated like the enemy. The bad people who enslaved innocent, we are made to believe maybe actually prisoners of war, Hebrew people.

As I said above, Ancient Egyptians themselves depicted the people from the Levant called Aamu/Hyksos as pale/white Semitic people.
Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 6:03pm On Feb 22, 2015
macof:


what I've realized from my studies is that Egypt was mixed, jst as there was Upper and Lower Egypt

You would agree that the Sahara dried up in about 5,600BC, which likely drove Nilotics up into the Nile Valley.
And just like other parts North Africa where we had Afro-Asiatic people like berbers settled before the emergence of the Egyptian dynasties as early as 10,000BC
Definitely a people of a similar culture and origin to berbers must have been present in the Nile delta...even if just for commercial purposes until being conquered by the blacks of the Valley at 3100BC
The Merimde culture of pre-dynastic northern Egypt has been found to share many things with the canaanites of the middle east, while Naqada culture of southern Egypt possesses a cultural link with the Nubians than those in the Nile-delta

There's evidence of bi-directional trading with the Levant in the northern part of pre-dynastic egypt. Btw it has nothing to do with Berbers which are to be found in Northwestern Africa (and came in contact with Ancient Egypt much later on in dynastic time). But even modern mainstream archaeologists, as far as I know, consider it 2 different cultures (for example they each made their own kind of pottery which could be traded in relatively small quantities iirc, I'm not sure if it was small or larger quantity).

Although in dynastic time, many nomadic West Asians and prisoners of war came to occupy the Delta and eventually took power during the second intermediate period (with the Hyksos/Aamu). But as you alluded to, even according to mainstream Egyptology, the foundation of Ancient Egypt was based on the southern culture (Green Sahara, Nabta Playa, Tasian, Badarian, Naqada culture). This can also be read in numerous publications like this recent one (posted above): http://www.academia.edu/6346508/_co-authored_Cultural_convergence_in_the_Neolithic_of_the_Nile_Valley_a_prehistoric_perspective_on_Egypt_s_place_in_Africa._Antiquity_2014_


There's no archaeological or anthropological continuity between Palestine and the Delta in pre-dynastic egypt. Consider this excerpt from Kemp's book as a summary of the scientific data related to anthropological continuity:

" Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. " - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization (Kemp, 2005, p.54)
Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 1:21pm On Feb 22, 2015
Even if Jesus was black (which he wasn't, he was a Jew, descendant of Abraham), it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 1:17pm On Feb 22, 2015
Dragonking:


bros dont misconstrue the idea..what am sayin is that blacks were the true inhabitants of egypt and isreal..try to watch the youtube link i posted.
Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

While distantly related to each others in time. For example, all Niger-Kordofanian speakers share a common past (at the very least at the time of the proto-Niger-Kordofanian language). We still have evolved and migrated in different regions since that time to become our own people, with our own religions and customs.

Freedom of religions. Freedom of beliefs. Freedom to not believe in any religions (atheism, agnosticism). Religious pluralism. Diversity of religions. Are the best protection against fascism and those who want to restrict our liberty.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

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Religion / Re: Jesus Was A Black Man by AmunRaOlodumare: 1:06pm On Feb 22, 2015
macof:

Actually blacks weren't the true inhabitants of Egypt, they were migrants from the Sudan region who conquered the Mediterraneans and formed the ruling class of the dynastic periods
Any reliable sources for that crap or do you just make things up?

Ancient Egyptians were always indigenous African people not Eurasian/Mediterraneans which came much later in large proportion (Aamu/Hyksos during the second intermediate period), before that time the proportion of Eurasians was small in Ancient Egypt (traders, nomadic migrants in neighboring deserts, etc).



What most affected populations movements within Africa in this NorthEastern African region is climate change:


- From: Climate-Controlled Holocene Occupation in the Sahara: Motor of Africa’s Evolution

There was never any proof of people/immigrants coming from outside Africa like Europeans or West Asians to create Ancient Egypt (in predynastic times). Ancient Egyptians even according to mainstream science were indigenous African people.

You can trace the archaeological continuity between the Green Sahara period, Nabta Playa, Tasian culture, Badarian, Naqada and the foundation of Ancient Egypt (pre/1st Dynasty). Archaeological continuity=science.
Politics / Re: Obasanjo Didn't Call Anybody A Drug Baron; Twitter Account Fake by AmunRaOlodumare: 2:10pm On Feb 17, 2015
lalasticlala:
Thats what fake and parody accounts can cause. thanks
...and bad journalism which doesn't validate their sources.
Politics / Nice Map Of Boko Haram And Nigerian Military Localities Under Control by AmunRaOlodumare: 7:01am On Feb 12, 2015

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