PAGAN9JA:
[size=28pt]ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS!

HAS NAIRALAND BECOME A CHRISTIAN FORM?

By the way, THAT MODS IN THE RELIGIOUS SECTION MUST BE FIRED!


NOT ONE THREAD ON TRADITIONAL RELIGION HAS MADE FRONT PAGE THIS YEAR.[/size]

Ironic considering islam and christianitity are imported foreign religions and traditional religions are the true indigenous religions of Nigerian people.

Maybe we should call this forum Euroland or Saudiland.

macof:


True talk. US won't want to associate with terrorist friendly people like Buhari

Yet they did so with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan to oppose the Russians, and more recently in Libya and now in Syria...

USA, Nato and UN Created Terror State in Libya
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/19939-obama-and-un-created-terror-state-in-libya

Economic elitists interests supersede religious interests.

For example, in Libya they knew perfectly well that they were supporting Islamist against Gaddafi as it was mentioned many times in the news and by various commentators and specialists. Same for Syria now.

If the USA support one candidate more than the other, it's because of economic elitist interests (low cost access to unrefined oil, low cost access to untransformed minerals, arms deals, free market open to their multinationals, maintaining a client and dependent state in Nigeria with limited development, etc).

I didn't read your whole post. But what is included in the bible and Koran sounds like some old Middle Eastern semitic rivalries of that time period. Both sides painting the rivals as the wrongdoers.

I'm not a practitioner of any abrahamic religions, or any religion/spirituality for that matter, but the Bible and Koran can be used as historical documents regardless of the purported veracity of what is written in them. In the sense, that they are the products of the time they were written like any realistic or fictive works created today.

It is horrible but the Nigerian army says 150 people died in Baga. Since 2009, 13 000 people were killed by Boko Haram. I hope the Nigerian army kill them all and fast.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-13/cameroon-repels-boko-haram-attack/6014014
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=263159

To be frank, the Nigerian army and Nigerian Intelligence are horrible in this conflicts. With the proper functioning of the Intelligence agency, police and army, the Boko Haram criminals shouldn't have been allowed to go anywhere this far in their carnage. They should have been nipped in the bud. But there's also good moments where many lives were saved...

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Nigerian troops repel fresh Boko Haram attack near Mubi

January 10, 2015
Iro Dan Fulani

Boko Haram insurgents have encountered stiff resistance from Nigerian troops and volunteers when they attempted to overrun Uba town, just about 35 kilometers from the commercial town of Mubi that was recently recaptured from the insurgents.

Witnesses said a fierce gun battle ensued, lasting hours. The insurgents reportedly launched the attack around 7:30am Saturday morning.

Speaking via telephone, a resident of Uba, who identified himself as Bello, said the insurgents had made an attempt to take over the town but soldiers stationed in the area were able to repel the attackers after a sustained battle.

“The attackers came in the wee hours of today Saturday and started shooting sporadically at the Nigerian troops in an attempt to capture the town,” he said.

“However, the soldiers and local hunters engaged them in a gun duel. But the soldiers later succeeded in repelling the attack.”

Some witness reported seeing dead bodies and burnt cars.

Though the Nigerian Military is yet to say the exact casualties from both sides, local sources say many of the attackers were killed.

The Uba attack has caused pandemonium in the neighbouring towns, particularly Mubi, as residents ran into the bushes for fear the insurgents may have once again annexed the town.

The anxiety was sparked by the fact that the last time the insurgents attacked Uba, they proceeded to annex Mubi in a couple of hours.

A resident of Mubi, Aliyu Musa, said that the news of a gun duel between Nigerian troops and Boko Haram insurgents has sparked tension as many ran into the surrounding bushes and hilltops for safety.

“There was serious pandemonium in Mubi as news filtered that Boko Haram insurgents have attempted to take over Uba town which is just a stone throw away from Mubi.

“But the security forces were able to repel the insurgents and as I am speaking to you, normalcy has started returning to Mubi following assurances by security personnel that they are on top of the situation,” Mr. Musa said.

Another resident, Ya’uba Garba, also told reporters that even after Mubi and surrounding towns were liberated, there is still fear that Boko Haram members remained hidden in surrounding bushes.

He urged security personnel to intensify surveillance in the bushes to flush out the insurgents completely.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/174630-nigerian-troops-repel-fresh-boko-haram-attack-near-mubi.html

Better idolizing our own ancestors and culture than a dead jewish person on a cross.

uzolexis:


The United States, Canada, Nigeria, and Australia rank the highest, with over 10% of the population over age 15 admitting to using the drug.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-countries-that-smoke-the-most-marijuana-2014-7#ixzz3OMHTeAoV

Nigerians y'all need to stop getting high

I don't want to advocate the use of marijuana at all but why? It seems Nigeria is in good company...

2000 does sounds like a lot considering.

kimond101:

It's highly essential to note that these people called Boko Haram are from the devil and do not represent any religion

I can see you have good intentions when saying this.

But the truth is that they are Muslim extremists and they are not alone in the world. There's Islamic State in Iraq, Taliban in Afghanistan, crazy gunmen in France at the Charlie Hebdo as well as the Sokoto and various Jihads in the past in Nigeria, Sharia law supporter in Libya, etc, etc.

Boko Haram are muslim fundamentalists, it is the truth and it must be taken into account when analyzing and trying to find long term solutions (for example involving other muslims in the solution, promoting religious pluralism and freedom of religions, etc).

christemmbassey:
sorry I do not discus christianity with a non-christian.

If everybody had your attitude, I think the world would be a better place. No forced conversions, no crusades, no islamisation, no proselytism, no christianisation, etc. A basic unsaid understanding that we're all diverse groups of people and individuals with a lot of similarities as well as differences.

A bit like the Jewish people (beside those who started the christian cult in Rome, of course) and judaism. Jewish/Judaic people got their own religion and don't bother anybody about it (although they forced converted their own people (Hebrew people) to the 'one and only true god' Yahveh). Still in general they don't bother other people about it.

Religious pluralism, like in most of everything else, is a fact of life. Even within Christianity and Islam where there's a lot of different denominations. Beside than as a personal choice, there's no one single religion/denomination that is better than all the others. Whether we talk about various christian denominations like Catholics, Protestants, Coptic, independant churches or other abrahamic religions such as islam and judaism as well as the various non-abrahamic religions around the world like African traditional, Shinto, Chinese, Native Americans, Ancient Greeks, etc. People in the past in general, before abrahamic religions, we're much less dogmatic and bigot about religions, spirituality and culture, that's why Africa and the world is composed of various ethnic groups with their own languages, history, culture, current trends, political structure, favorites food/dishes, etc.

macof:

The muslims, hindus, African traditionalists, Chinese, Shintos(Japan), all lack ur holy spirit yet they have their own beliefs of what is holy

You can add to the list other christian denominations like catholics, protestants, independent churches,...

Well done Nigeria!

frosbel:
I believe in ONE God and all that , but one thing really nags my mind.

You're on the right path by asking those questions.

I know it may be hard because of your christian education, and the influence Christianity since European colonization, but try to learn about your own African spirituality and worldview and you will begin to ignore the bible worldview completely.

I respect the religions of Jewish, Europeans and Arab people such as the Judaism, Christianity and Islam the same way as I respect other religions of other people such as Buddhism, Shinto, other European (Ancient Greece, etc), Asian and Native American religions. There's a lot of similarities between all religions of the world, especially traditional ones. Although Abrahamic religions, especially as practiced by Europeans and Arabs, sometimes tend to be intolerant toward other religions, denominations and spiritual knowledge, this is not something I can respect obviously. Respect must go both ways.

Abrahamic religions are not the religions of our people. Learn about the religious knowledge of your own people, you will begin to "ignore" Abrahamic religions in you worldview and you will also see the concept of religion itself differently. In a much less confrontational manner for one, as they are no competitions between "religions" in traditional settings, each people, even each families in a certain way, can have their own name and knowledge of god through their ancestors. Even the term religions is a bit of a misnomer, it's more like knowledge, spirituality and culture.

9jacrip:



Actually, no.
I was not arguing from the education style point of view, I was referring to how people have come to see themselves different from their own traditional invention and technology due to the identity problem religion has created.
E.G I am a Christian. As a result I cannot use/promote/produce ose dudu because it represents 'backwardness' or 'charm', I cannot use/promote/produce agunmu because it appears primitive and un-christianly.

Your argument is also a considerable fact but different from my point entirely.

In fact, it was the strategy of the European colonialists to spiritually colonized their future subjects so they have less confidence in themselves, and weakened social structures, and become easy pray to economic, military and political colonization. The idea was always to turn African colonies into mere producers of raw materials used as input for their industrial development. That is when they didn't use Africans as cheap slave labors. Considering the lack of oil refined locally in Nigeria and the low level of various manufacturing goods produced locally, we're still stuck in the same paradigm in Nigeria and Africa. The improvements are there but marginal. Even when they transferred the political power to African stooges, or assassinated African leaders like Nkrumah and Sankara and supported sell outs Africans, it was and is still part of the plan (called neo-colonisation/imperialism).

Right from the start the strategy of the colonial imperialists was to first mentally/spiritually colonize us then colonize us politically, militarily and economically. We still haven't completely left that paradigm.

In general, our own culture, religions, languages, etc should always be the foundation on which we build our societies. It's how they did it themselves, it's what Asian people do (Japan, China, South Korea). Integrating technology and good stuff from outside under our own terms. In a similar way European integrated writing and gun powder into their own various cultures and social systems and made good use of it. Always in progression and continuity with the past.

gatiano:
Jesus was black. all the holy prophets and messengers were all black. The body and the making of the caucasian body is too weak and wicked to contain such people. Prophets and messenger of GOD are not a robe walking men, They are well educated that involved or involves such high initiation that a person without the throne of GOD (melanin) won't make it. 42 years of studies. you didn't read what i wrote well.

Even if it were true, Maasai people are black too, it doesn't mean we must follow their culture and religions.

I respect Maasai and other peoples culture and spiritual beliefs, but we also have our own set of beliefs too all over Africa and the world (even though they are quite similar in many ways).

gatiano:
Jesus is GOD, I am GOD, You are GOD, Every Blackman and Blackwoman is GOD, GOD is GOD. GOD can expire, but HE has eternal life. All Black People in the universe when they are connected and united. Then that is called GOD in divine unity or GOD in cosmic unity and love, This GOD is ONE and he can never die, never, never, there was no beginning to him, there will never be an ending to HIM/HER. if you notice, in african languages, we do not use he/she as pronoun, we use "o" or "e". that is to show that there is no difference in Blackman and Blackwomen. Black people of nl, study the history and sciences of yourselves, find it, seek it even if needs you to go extra 1000 miles under the pacific ocean.
The whiteman and non-black are promised everlasting life if they repent. Black people? you have eternal life except you want or choose to mess up really really bad, which include bleaching of skin (yes, what i mean really is turning yourself to non-black by continous intermixing with whites.
thus black people, you can't really die what is called a second death (it is impossible). However as Jesus went to hell for 3 days, so will I , so will you, we can't escape it, for 3 days, for some it may seem like 3 secs, some 3 mins, some 3 days, some 3 years, depending on the gravity of your sins and crime.(there is no time in hell). For example, you are a blackman that just love adultery and fornication, no woman can pass you. now nobody has the time to be chasing you or looking for your name to put you in hell (condition), you yourself will choose it gladly since adultery and fornication is what you love. in the state, you can fool yourself, it will be like someone tearing you apart to remove that love of fornication and adultery. if you give it up quick, then 3 mins, if you are stubborn maybe 30 years, but not more than 3 days will a blackman give dirt and filth away.

This is pure african roots science, or blackroots science, i take no credit for this knowledge.

I think you've been too much brainwashed by the Europeans colonialists and their religions. Stockholm syndrome style. Like a slave dog barking defending the home of his masters.

Suffice to say we had our own religions much before Jesus was born and much before white people came with their guns and bible.

^^Moors is a word used to designate Berbers in northwestern Africa which are muslim people composed mainly of ancient European and Arab ancestry.

gatiano:
It would have been fair if the stooges wanted to create a 2nd europe in Africa, has the stooges want to feel themselve or be like their white oppressors,

But that's not fair, that's not how Europe developed itself! Europe didn't try to become a 2nd Asia! That way you condemn yourself to be second. Europe and any great people integrated (and still are) what was good from outside into their own cultures and social systems in progression and continuity with the past! For example, as I said above, Europe didn't invent writing or gunpowder but integrated those into their own culture, languages and social systems!

musicwriter:


You're right bro!.
We lived in peace in Africa before the arrival of whiteman to our shores.

There's no need to exaggerate. Basic logic and knowledge of our history dictate that there must have been some conflicts before the arrival of Europeans. But the level of conflicts must not be that high considering the great level of linguistic, ethnic and cultural diversity within small regions of Africa. Even large African Kingdoms, often composed of many ethnic groups, didn't have a hegemonic tendency but instead cultivated, so to say, unity in diversity. Of course this unity also meant to give tributes, pay taxes, offer soldiers when needed, to the King, that is accepting his authority which sometimes could generate conflicts and movements of people.

gatiano:
However, before they left, they put a stooge who they knew who listen to them.

This is very true and important to take into account to analyze power balance in Africa. When the colonizers granted independence to African countries they transferred the power to Africans which were already close to the colonial powers (largely urban and western educated, already working for the colonial masters before independence as clerks, functionaries and what else, teachers, christian priests, etc). Even Africans which were protesting to obtain independence were in fact already part of the colonial system, they just wanted to be their own bosses within this colonial-constructed systems. The situation was different in many Asian countries.

African leaders which were too independent like Sankara, Nkrumah, Lumumba, etc were assassinated (and demonized in the press propaganda) with the help of ex-colonial powers and the USA.

The error of those African stooges who took the power (and are still largely in power), is that they wanted to create a second Europe in Africa (which can only turn us into second class citizen), instead of reversing the colonialists destruction of our institutions and culture and then developing our countries by starting by who we are and integrating what is good from outside under our own terms. As I said above this is how great people develop themselves. Europeans didn't invent writing or gun powder but integrated those into their own social systems and cultures. The good news is that it's still "easily" reversible with the willingness and some efforts.

All great people use their own culture, languages and religions as a foundation to their nations. IMO, this is the secret on how to build strong nations with a foundation based on who we are, then evolve from it with no discontinuity. For example, Europeans didn't invent writing or gun powder. They just made good use of it using their own languages and integrating them into their own cultures.

We're talking about British, Swedish, French, German, Finnish, Spanish, Russian, Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, Malaysians, South Korans and countless other great nations. All technologically advanced nations. For example, Scandinavian countries are very strong in Research and technology, so are Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans of course. They all use their own languages as languages of instructions and everyday life while learning english as a second language. Their own culture and languages (and indeed religion/history/culture) are the basis of their development. Anything written in english or any languages can be easily translated, it's no biggy, nothing to fear. Every people does that.

ALL (yes, I said ALL), European countries use their own languages as language of instructions and everyday life. They learn English as second language (which is ***very*** important too). Which can be used as a lingua franca in Europe and in Africa.

I love the English language, I truly do!! It's easy to learn as a second language and already has the status of the language of business internationally and has a good position in Nigeria. I hope it maintains that position in Africa and in the world. It's extremely important to learn it as a second language. But the moment, African countries start to use their own languages as languages of instructions, will be the first true step toward the democratization of knowledge and indigenous development. Like Europeans, for example, did with writing and gun powder. Unesco and local research already shown increased ability (grades) in mathematics/other school subjects and children participation in class when local languages are used in pilot projects.

PAGAN9JA:



It is religion my dear. Stop skirting the problem. Even the Indians receive education in english.

I totally disagree. Language is a strong vehicle of culture and identity as much as religion is.

Anyway, science and education tend to turn people into atheist or agnostic if western countries like America and Europe are anything to based our analysis on. Still we must never forget to honor where we come from spiritually, of course.

ALL (yes, I said ALL), European countries use their own languages as language of instructions and everyday life. They learn English as second language (which is ***very*** important too).

All great people use their own culture, languages and religions as a foundation to their nations. From British, Swedish, French, German, Finnish, Spanish, Russian, Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, Malaysians, South Korans and countless other great nations. All technologically advanced nations. For example, Scandinavian countries are very strong in Research and technology, so are Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans of course. They all use their own languages as languages of instructions and everyday life while learning english as a second language. Their own culture and languages (and indeed religion/history/culture) are the basis of their development. Anything written in english or any languages can be easily translated, it's no biggy, nothing to fear.

I love the English language, I truly do!! It's easy to learn as a second language and already has the status of the language of business internationally and has a good position in Nigeria. It's extremely important to learn it as a second language. But the moment, African countries start to use their own languages as languages of instructions, will be the first true step toward the democratization of knowledge and indigenous development. Unesco and local research already shown increased ability (grades) in mathematics/other school subjects and children participation in class when local languages are used in pilot projects.

bobkezel:
If observation of cultures and traditions is idol worshiping, then christianity, islam, hinduism and all other non-indigenous religious observations are also idol worshiping. By the way who set the status quo of what idol worshiping is and isn't. It is just the white man's language of making of traditional values to be seen as inferior. So my dear, our cultures and traditions is not idol worshiping. It is who we are, our heritage, our identity, but it's a pity we are losing it too fast.

Better venerating our idols than those of other peoples

kingston277:

Teepee-dwelling, semi-nomadic, reindeer-herding people from norway are as pre-civilized as you can get.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people

So you don't consider them civilized because they are semi-nomadic herding people? That's where you put you fictitious line of civilization? That's bullcrap and you know it.

kingston277:

I made a thread with a much more extensive number of African states:

Maps Of Kingdoms, Peoples, States, And Cities In Africa Through Time
https://www.nairaland.com/1253380/maps-kingdoms-peoples-states-cities

Elxandre:

They don't look like pre civilized people tho.

And how does pre-civilized people look like? Please, don't use those european colonialist subversive language. Africans were "civilized" much before the arrival of the white men by shared traditions going at least as far back as the Nok civilization and beyond along with the continuous development of agriculture, sedentarism, state-formation, religion, judiciary system, specialization, metalworks, etc.

pashaun:



You're forgetting Europeans had guns and Africans didn't

The truth is Europeans didn't invent gun powder nor writing. They just made "good" technical use of it by integrating those into their cultures. They didn't switch to mandarin or something, they just used what was good from outside and incorporated it into their own cultures on their own term.

The same should be done with any technological advancement from outside, that's how you build great nations with a great past. Not second class citizen speaking the language of their ex-colonial masters. All Europeans nations and Asian countries such as Japan, China, South Korea, and many others use their own language for their development. Only the self-defeating and subordinating policies (language of instructions, religions) set up by the colonial master when he colonized us has turned African countries into western dependent second class world citizen. The good news is those are easily reversible once the willingness is there, fear is away and our stockholm syndrome is out. Basically, it's simply about translating and editing books into our own various languages, use a national lingua franca (english maybe) and promote pride and historical continuity of our culture (more than now). This is the secret of all great nations from Britain, France, Germany, Israel (which practically revived the liturgical Hebrew language to create their nation after the world war), China, Japan, South Korea, etc.

Be ourselves culturally, while integrating stuff from outside under our own terms using our own spiritual belief, which are always in motions and our own languages, which will always integrate new words from outside as all languages do. Like Europeans did with writing and gun powder.

“The African economy, I believe in the last couple of years, has shown a remarkable sign of growth; but this growth is unfortunately more of community drive, not of the manufacturing sector.
“For this growth to be sustained and for it to be transformed into a real national transformation agenda for the development of the nation it must be productivity-based; productivity aspect must come in.
“And the only way you can do that is to develop your time and technology, to apply science and technology in your economy.
“Such that the economy, while growing, the productivity of the manufacturer will have played a key role. This is what is happening in developed societies”.

I must say I agree 100% with this. This is a good analysis of the situation and the most important aspects.

Real growth must be productive-based to solidify Nigerian and African economies and promote self-dependency. The productivity of manufacturer will play a key role.

The major aspects are 1) Education 2) R& - Research and Development (private, public, university, government agency, military) 3)Financing and protecting local enterprises (startups, forming consortiums, import duty tariffs, foreign ownership restrictions, etc)

In country such as South Korea, which were a low-income agricultural country in the 60s, a lot of emphasis has been put in the creation of research centers. Read about it here :https://web.archive.org/web/20121013035959/http://www.duke.edu/~myhan/kaf0401.html

For those who have the capacity (money, finance, knowledge) to start enterprises, it's very easy to get into the manufacturing sectors as many companies around the world make their profit by selling us manufacturing equipments. Some also sells us equipments designed by us.

For example (quickly goggled):

Tomato sauce manufacturing equipments:
http://www.sspindia.com/tomato-processing-plant.html

Various types of manufacturing equipments sold to us:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Paint-Manufacturing-Equipment-paint-production-line_996498789.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/brick-manufacturing-equipment_523883649.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Manufacturing-equipment-Semi-Automatic-Wafer-Mounter_133758770.html

High-tech Electronics manufacturing equipments sold to us:
http://www.appliedmaterials.com/
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2701117

He said the ministry had excelled in the production of made -in-Nigeria tricycles, curtailing of trypanosomiasis, design and fabrication of interlocking blocks and launching of road safety guidelines among others.
Mr. Bulama added that the effort to partner international bodies to complete the science and technology park at SHESTCO was on-going.

(NAN)

Nice development.

pimplucious:


Do u realize what u consume over time, by way of eating or inhaling as the case may be can spring some changes in u?

Take for instance the long term effect of consumption of GMO food. Some school of thought believe this has a harmful effect on human as studies carried out on lab rats show physical deformity in their offspring.

I'm not a voice in this subject and such I can't state categorically but I read a lot and leave room for benefit of doubt.

Well, I won't discuss things with you on and on. But mutations exist WAY WAY before GMO foods, pollutions, or any human activity, or even human themselves for that matter. Mutations are like the motor of evolution. From fish to amphibians to homo habilis to modern humans.

pimplucious:

I kind of agree with the dude that said "we humans are the cause of the mutations, most times, unintentionally/ignorantly."

You can't kind of agree with it unless you don't believe in science. Babies are born with them, so it's not anything that happened in a person's life (well those are another subject). As I said above mutations is the basic mecanism for evolution so even animals have mutations. Fish like entity in the primordial water had mutations to eventually lead to homo habilis and then modern humans. You wouldn't say the fish-like entity was the cause of her mutations would you?