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EyeHateGod:
Anas09. How many account you get?

Hahahahahahaahahaha. That girl lives in France, i live in Nigeria. Gerraway

Scholar8200:
And a Tabernacle is defined as:
And having an high priest over the house of God Hebrews 10:21 He has always had One.

I will come back to this.

A tabernacle does not come with atonement. The issue of atonement only arose when sin came in.

No. Especially considering the fact that Tabernacle = God's House.

Understand that the role of the Blood, inter alia, is access into the Tabernacle i.e Presence of God's Throne.

Pls let us note at this point, that the Tabernacle in question here is not the allegory of a dwelling place or a body.
What i mean is here is the place where Christ as the eternal high priest offered his blood.

On earth, the human high priest went in once a year with the blood of animals to offer for sin.

The Tabernacle which housed the holy of holies. Its actually the Holy of Holies am talking about.

When you say the rule of the blood is to give access to the Tabernacle, do you mean before or after the Fall since we know that the Tabernacle was there before the Fall?

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol . What kind of questions

What? The question in everyone's mouth. Papa why u no just kill satan?

Why you let all these politicians live long to commit all kinds of sins?

Dem plenty no be small.

shadeyinka:
We may not know why the tabernacle was built in heaven. Probably as the Mercy Seat or throne of God.

1. And the overcame him by the Blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.

2. The Lamb of God slain from the foundations of the world

If the Lamb of God was slain from the foundations of the earth, it meant that God did a preemptive intervention for ALL

It is the same reason why God predestined those who are to be saved...
...to whom He had foreknown, God predestined to confirm to the image of His dear son.

In the spirit, realities are established and then, manifestations can follow in the physical.

The Blood isn't necessary only for atonement but also for Victory and Power in conflict.

They are just spiritual principles established by God as a working rule.

Okay. But i think theres an explaination to why there was a Tabernacle in Heaven.

That Tabernacle had no business being on earth in the first place, like the bible said, it was a shadow of the real one...
Let me leave it here for now.
Lets hear from others first.

MrPresident1:
Anas09 and KingEbujasblog

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

It was all allegories. The tabernacle that was built was only the house of the prophet of God, or the Ark of God. Jerusalem itself was the temple of God, while the tabernacle was the house of the Ark of God. The Ark of God was the prophet of God. The Ark of God was Samuel, it was also Prophet Nathan etc. The Holies of Holies was the bedroom of the prophet.


2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

The fall of Adam is an allegory for the fall and devolution of Israel. Adam was the leaders of Israel, Eve was the people of Israel. eg Buhari and his ministers are Adam, we the people, their subjects and followers, are Eve.

The tabernacle was built by Solomon.

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

Adam and Eve committed adultery against God by engaging in Idolatry. Idolatry was the original sin, and it was the fruit that Eve ate, and gave to Adam her husband. Literally meaning that it was the people who first started to dabble into idolatry and they eventually convinced the leaders into idolatry. Any woman who is guilty of adultery must die. Israel (Adam and Eve) is God's woman, they were caught in adultery so they must die.
Because God loved His wife so much and did not want her to die, God incarnated in Jesus Christ, and died for her. Jesus Is God. God broke the curse of sin over His wife by dying for her. Who can accuse her of adultery when He has died for her? He paid for her sin so she is free completely.

Your Excellency sir. Weldone.

Scholar8200:
Now before the fall, was there a Tabernacle? Yes. Was blood offered therein? No. Why? Because the blood makes atonement for the soul. However, there was no sin to be remitted hence no need for blood to be shed.

The Tabernacle/Temple/Sanctuary is God's Throne:

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 7:15

Remember the Holy of Holies was charaterised by the Mercy Seat and the 2 Cherubs? A type of the Throne Room.


On the basis of 1.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
Hebrews 1:8a

Yes, the soul that sins, it shall die. The blood that speaks better things than that of Abel cries (not for vengeance) that One has died in our place hence, for those who believe this, it becomes INJUSTICE for a Just God to still hold those sins against them since one has paid the ultimate price. As regards Adam's sin, can you further explain what you mean by, "shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?"

Because the soul that sins,it shall die or the wages of sin (not only murder) is death.

The Blood of Christ stands as the evidence that death indeed has taken place; death of one that has no debts/or sins of His own.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:9
Blood signifies that death has taken place.

The blood of Abel cried to God and He responded. The Blood of Jesus also cries to the Father for us, and against the adversaries.

The Blood testifies the highlighted and God's judgement is withheld, the old debts are cancelled and the adversary loses his legal ground of attack instead, the God that executed judgement against the gods of Egypt when the blood was applied, now executed judgement swiftly against him when the believer by faith applies the blood.

Good, very good.
Now, You said, there was a Tabernacle in heaven before the creation of the Earth right?

Shd we go with the notion that, The Fall of Adam was predestinated? Someone said, 'It was foreknown not predestinated". What is the difference?

There was a Tabernacle, and a Tabernacle comes with atonement, but there can't be any atonement without sin rigjt?
So, was the Tabernacle built in atincipation for the Sin that shd be committed in future?

His throne and Mercy seat is exterblished as being there forever, that is settled.
I totally agree with your other points, but where am interested in is, What is the connection between the dead Adam died with Blood of Jesus being offered in a Tabernacle in Heaven?

Why is there a need for that Tabernacle to be in Heaven.

KingEbukasBlog:
If you no go problem dey oo

No be small thin oo. I have to go, oo. because i get plenty qwesions to ask plenty people.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hmmm

MrPresident1 is the king of detecting symbolism and allegory . Let's see his version first .

Nice one Anas09 though .

Thank you your Majesty.

Hello Christian brethren. I hope this day met you well?

Well, i am studying Hebrews now. From Hebrews 7 to 10 the Holy Spirit is talking to us about the Priesthood of Cbrist. He compared it with the priesthood of Melchezedek, the eternal priest.

We are told that Jesus Himself was the High Priest who offered his own blood in the Holy of Holies in the Heavenly Tabernacle which existed before Moses. We are told that, that Tabernacle is not like the earthly one which was made with human hands and which a human high priest enters once every year with blood for atonement.

We are told that, when Moses was on mount Sinai, he was shown a replica of the Tabernacle in heaven and was asked to built the one in the Wilderness exactly like the one he was shown in a vison up on Mount sinai.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exodus:25:40

My Questions are...
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies, where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?


2. When was that Tabernacle built?

Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

Adam did not shed any blood, how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?


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KingEbukasBlog:
Now ... Now ... You are really confident . That's fantastic

If i no go (God for bit) no problem, but make him come abeg. E don do.

LightandDarkness:
What a wow, so you mean they stopped the qhoe session?? They should just have healed her there with prayer and carried on

Also couldn't this just be incubus syndrome https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/200809/incubus-attack. The behaviour during exorcism could be countertransferance? Manifestation of a psychological problem? Let's not be so quick to attribute every thing to demons. There's a reason why "a demon made me do it" dosent hold in court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Arne_Cheyenne_Johnson and this was in 1981

When you are done with the Court of men, you shall stand before the Court of the Just Judge.
Hmmm, keep telling yourself that there's nothing like that.

LightandDarkness:
What a wow, so you mean they stopped the qhoe session?? They should just have healed her there with prayer and carried on

Also couldn't this just be incubus syndrome https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sleepless-in-america/200809/incubus-attack. The behaviour during exorcism could be countertransferance? Manifestation of a psychological problem? Let's not be so quick to attribute every thing to demons. There's a reason why "a demon made me do it" dosent hold in court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Arne_Cheyenne_Johnson and this was in 1981

She was delivered. She is now married with kids.

KingEbukasBlog:
He says he is certain . So let's just wait .

Its a matter of days now. And, this won't be the first time am hearing his predictions about the coming of Christ.


My dear, i want Christ to come Now now.

KingEbukasBlog:
lmaoo

Yes my dearest, MrPresident seems to have God's mouth to his ears, so, lets wait.

Tjayjosh:
Dear Anas09! Been very busy lately. I hardly even stay in one place. But it is well. Evil has greatly increased in this day in which we live. Satan is ruthless and highly organized, we must become ruthless too. It is fire for fire, that is how it should be. You are not odd. Stay blessed.

Good bless you my dearly beloved. Good morning.
Glorious day to you.

KingEbukasBlog:
lmaoo

Yes my brother.

KingEbukasBlog:
You getting married soon ?

I should, but MrPresident said Jesus is coming next Month. Let me hold on small. Make i no just marry begin go heaven. Make January come pass first.

JMG1:
Thank you so much sis,i say AMEN to all your prayers and I wish more than that to you as well. God bless you abundantly sis.

You are very ok sis, the bible says in
Romans: 6. 6. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7. because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. 8. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Our Spirit was recreated when we received the joy of salvation and as we grow in Christ, we crucify the flesh and its desires and the likeness of God is made more evident in our lives.

I also don't listen to radios anymore coz its filled with all manners of worldly activities and programmes, nothing good comes out it. I usually come on Nairaland to read whatever happenings/news out there, i have more than 200songs on my fone and all are gospel, not one single song on my fone is worldly. I still watch movies tho but I do that with my head and not my heart but even at that,I don't watch just any movies. So sis,you are very oooookkkkk. The Lord is our strength

I celebrate Christ in your life Sis,i pray that the Lord will grant you the grace to run this race with Him to the end and give you the strength never to feel weary in Jesus name.

Thank you Lord!!!!!!. Amen.

Christ is nearer now that before.

Let believers be alert.

God bless my family.

Tjayjosh:
It's ok to become ruthless with sin in your life. It is thonly way to keep satan and his cohorts at bay.

TJ, long time. Where have you been? Hows everything?
O my people, where is everyone?

And, thanks for your words. Sometimes i feel like am odd.

chrmn1:
Okay I didn't see this post earlier, let me try:

2. Those that don't believe in the ministry of the Holy Spirit are only limiting themselves; they have absolutely nobody to blame for their issues.
There's no reason why a Christian should disbelieve the ministry of the Holy Spirit when this is clearly spelled out in scriptures

1. You're absolutely correct, there a so many believers who have not trained themselves to pick signals from the Holy Spirit but I'm certain that this is the difference between living an ordinary life and a supernatural one. The Bible calls Him (the Holy Spirit), the one called to go ahead of us as a counselor

Anyone who wants to learn to have the presence of the Holy Spirit real in their lives can should try to take out time. Apart from praying daily, I used to take out time on Fridays after work, sleep till 4 and then just stay on my knees in my room singing and praying in the Spirit. Needless to say, the effect was tremendous. I used to do that every week (something happened so I kind of stopped but I'll revisit praying this way soonest). I'll recommend 2 books and you may have come across them, a) 3 Most important things in your life by Mike Murdock where he detailed his experience of how he first encountered the presence of God. For him, consistency in taking out time daily to fellowship with the Holy Spirit was crucial. He recounted that God honoured his consistency and showed up

b) Listening Prayer by Mary Ruth Swope: Very powerful book as well

3. How God speaks: sometimes spectacular at other times not so spectacular. I remember once when I was so passionate about the things of God, I began to ask Him what He wanted me to do and that I didn't mind doing anything He required me to do even if it entailed full time ministry. As I was reading the scriptures, a passage seemed to jump out of its page right before me which read, "And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron" (Hebrews 5:4). The crux of that message was no one takes that decision by him or herself to Shepherd the children of God in the capacity of a full time pastor but God is the One that calls into the ministry.

I know how much I was guided by this seemingly unspectacular message.

There was another time, I was almost late for work and I was rushing to get out of the house. I don't take my laptop or flash to the office but on this day, as I was about to head out, I just heard within me, 'your flash' and I didn't understand so I ignored the prompt. But I kept 'hearing' the same thing, 'your flash'. I argued, why would I take my flash drive when I don't use it in the office so I shoved any the 'thought'. My door used to be very difficult to open back then, and this was obviously what the Holy Spirit was trying to get me to avoid but I wasn't sensitive enough to realize it was Him. I left the room and locked my door and in seconds, I got a call from my best friend then. His words, "abeg chrmn1 (not my real name, of course), bring your flash abeg it's very crucial...thanks". I had to go through the rigours of opening the door again and trust me, this time it was as if the door decided that I wouldn't open it that day. I just highlighted the 2 scenarios to point out that He talks to us in diverse ways but if you've trained yourself to hear him and respond quickly enough you begin to master the art. The easier it gets as you go along. It's just like hearing somebody speak whom you don't know, you won't know who's talking but if your best friend should call your name, you'd easily recognize his/her voice even if you can't see his/her face. That's how it is with learning to hear the guide within.

4. Just like with every art, you only get perfect by practice. You see you're not abdicating your responsibility to make decisions in your personal life by following the direction of the Holy Spirit. For every good plan you have, He has a better one. You must realize that. Apostle Paul was going to win souls in Asia when He was restrained by the inner guide. That was his (Paul's) plan. See its a partnership and I can show you countless scriptures that supports this point. Proverbs 16:9 says, "the heart of a man devices (plans) his way but the Lord directs his steps. It's a partnership so you're not standing like a pole and saying "Holy Ghost blow me to the right else I won't move". No you don't do that because you've got to live life to the fullest. You just need to pay attention to seeking His manifest presence in your life and to sharpen the your hearing from Him. He says, "He's a rewarder of they that DILIGENTLY seek Him." Let me break down the word diligently. As a starter, if you plan to do 2 hours everyday and you made it on Sunday but didn't make it on Monday, so you continued on Tuesday, it's not ideal that way. God won't be annoyed with you but it's a training you need to undergo just like the training a guy would need to undergo at the gym to grow muscles. So if you badly want to hear from Him, diligence is very key. Mike Murdock touched on this beautifully. It's a partnership. Proverbs 3:5-6 says, trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your understanding in all your ways acknowledge Him and He'll direct your paths.

So just live your life to the full, learn to seek the face of God on a consistent basis, He'll guide you in unspectacular ways but you need to pass that test by responding promptly. As you do He can trust you with more spectacular leadings and as you practice the art you become skilled at it.

Hope I answered at least a couple of your questions.

Good night dearie

Yea, you did indeed answered all of them. Thank you.

You blessed my heart. I will download the PDF copies of those books and read.
Thanks so much.

Dilligence is the KEY word.

chrmn1:
I'd really love to but I won't be able to attend this year so I'd stream the live sessions

Okay, thats also good.

friedcorn:
may such divination fall on ur head a hundred times.

Divination ke? No be you challenge me to bring trouble come say you like trouble?
See this one. What you like, you attract.
What i did was to concur with with you.

Your words, "BRING IT ON, I LIKE TROUBLE". And i said, was, 'May it be as you have said. See you here dey talk of divination.

If i pray agaisnt you bro, you go run find your (i no no weytin you believe in) whatever you believe in to pray for you.

chrmn1:
My response to your post that had 4 questions was incomplete so I modified it. You may have a look whenever you can

Ok will do.

MrPresident1:
The only secret that God did not reveal to Jesus Christ is the exact day and hour he would come. All other things God told him, and it is in the Bible.

We do not know the exact day but we know the season, on or before 20th January 2017

Okay. Let me suspend my wedding first.

skeendyke:
What is it with you atheists and genocide? How hard can it be to make a point without being genocidal? Is it not obvious to you that Atheism shapes the mind for the worse, makes its hosts mindless beasts while retaining their human shape?

Ignore him. He is not worth your response. Kings do not respond when the commons speak.

Seun:
Sigh. It was just a stupid dream. We dream about all sorts of idiotic things. Sometimes we remember them and other times, we don't. The welts may have been caused by insects. They may have been there even before the dream, and gone unnoticed until she checked. Most testimonies are obviously coincidental at first, but as they are passed from person to person, they are spiced up until they sound miraculous.

See your reasoning. What about the dream she had about being wipped.

I met a lady who went for deliverance from a spiritual spouse like this one, it happened that the man was living inside of her. She though that man was coming and going, but when fire started, she became very violent or rather the spirit became very hostle and started throwing her all around on hard objects to make the deliverance stop. She broke her arm, i mean literately broke her arm, fractured her arm, and the church she went for deliverance brought her to the hospital I was for treatment.


Seun, you experience these things, i know you do. The difference is that, your will is theirs to do as they wish, so no more quwams from them. Buy the day you'll go close to power, what happened to Urheme will be Child's play.

Keep denying it and make sure you stay away from the Holy Ghost. Demons can't stand in the presence of Jesus, they will react.
So, stay away.

chrmn1:
wonderful as always

Will you attend shiloh? Lets just praise God. Its going to basically be praise.

MrPresident1:
Anyways, he will be here on or befire the 20th of January 2016

Wait!!!!, but how come Jesus told you when he will come when he didn't tell others?

20th January 2016 precisely. Hmmmm.
I thought He told his Apostles that that secret is kept secret?

MrPresident1:
Jesus is coming to marry his bride. Our Master is coming to marry so it will be good to have your marriage at the same time with his

Lol. MrPresident leave me oo. I shd get married the same time with when Jesus marries the Church?

JMG1:
You seems to read alot of christian based books. That's very good,I like that. You have actually unknowingly blessed alot on this trend with your posts and outside I believe. Your reward mam is not only in heaven but also here on earth and will soon manifest physically. You are gloriously blessed sis. God bless you and don't stop.

Oh thank you my dear. Am so glad for your kind words. May God honour you and be gracious unto you. May he exempt you from the hardship on the land.
As He gave Isaac an idea of what to do in the land of Canaan when everyone ran to Egypt, and Isaac prospered in that same land of recession, May God give you an idea and may he send you what it takes to usefully put that idea to work and prosper thereby. In Jesus name.

You are a tree planted by the river side, this heat shall not affect you.

In the areas where others are saying there's a casting down, your testimony shall be, there's a lifting up.

Be rapturable.

Maranatha.

I read alot. Thank God all i read is not in my head, if not i would have probably gone insane.
Before now, i read everything. Everything printed in English, I will read. But now i can't read any other book thats not Christian.

I don't know what is happening to me. I do not watch TV again, i don't listen to any music that's not gospel, except maybe in a public place or in a car. It does not occur to me to take in the lyrics of their songs, my mind blocks them off. I don't nod my head, i don't tap my toes.

No more movies, and use to watch movies alot. I can't watch any unchristian movie anymore.

No radios, i listen to news and put the radio off. Everything i do now is controlled. If its not Christian, it irritates me.

How i got here, i don't know.

Am i okay?

MrPresident1:
Anyways, he will be here on or befire the 20th of January 2016

Okay. So i shd not bother setting my wedding date again?

Awww, make i marry small first nah.

friedcorn:
i love trouble.....bring it on

Not from me, you didnt do anything against me.

Btw, its good you confessed with your mouth to like trouble and have invited it in, it shall come in loads. Enjoy.