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Michellekabod2:
Hello sis, how are you doing? The best thing for you,Buda, muttleylaff,and I to do is ignore him. He thrives on attention and recognition...if he is ignored for a day without anyone quoting him,he will stop his lunacy...can't you see threads he open that no one comments,he starts replying his own threads in other for it to remain relevant....

BTW, come 2020, budaatum will oust him out of NL

I think I agree with you.

BroOptimist:
OK, is Jesus God

Yes, He is.

daviddove:
I wonder why some take Jesus as the supreme God,mayb they dnt evn read there bible well

I doubt if you have a Bible. If you have then, you don't read it.

haywizzy007:
May God forgive you for calling Jesus YAHWEH

If Jesus is not YHWH but you believe He is the Lord, the Saviour, the alpha and Omega, the beginning and the End, the creator of the whole world,, then you make up two gods for yourself hence become an idol worshiper.

blueAgent:
This is just Human explanation not Bible.

Okay

najib632:
Yes that imam will definately be fake or ignorant.

This your claim has a lot of ignorance. By they calling Allah, satan means they know nothing at all. Where did they leave all the verses warning against shaytan in the Qur'an?

But Muhammad said Satan gave him revelations, No?

Do you know your koran contains the satanic verses? How come Muhammad didn't know Allah's voice to mistake Satan's for allah?

Bros allah is satan.

solite3:
who get to determine where and when to take the word literal?

your personal wrong opinion zero biblical

where did Jesus claim to be the holy Spirit? The Spirit was with his disciples as well as Jesus himself that was why they could perform miracles.

what you are saying is highly incoherent? Show me scriptures that prove Jesus is both the father and the Holy Spirit or what you are saying is the heresy of modalism not trinity.

Okay sir.

solite3:
This is unbiblical, and an heresy
I will prefer the bible speak for itself.
Jesus has being existing as the Son of God even before his incarnation.
In Genesis God referred to himself as 'us' meaning more than one. The trinity is from eternity.

Humans are not trinue beings but we bear the imprint of it.


John1vv1 read that in the beginning the word was God and with God at the same same time, what does that tell you?
The word is one person who is God but with God in another person.

He Jesus has been in the bossom of the father bossom is used to refer to close proximity, there is nothing hidden there.

You don't answer my questions but just go on saying heresy.

What is the bossom of the father?

solite3:
The Distinction of the Holy Spirit from the Father and from his Son, Jesus Christ.
The Person and Work of The Holy Spirit

We have seen thus far that the Holy Spirit is a Person and a Divine Person. And now another question arises, Is He as a Person separate and distinct from the Father and from the Son? One who carefully studies the New Testament statements cannot but discover that beyond a question He is. We read in Luke iii.21, 22, "Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art My beloved Son; in Thee I am well pleased." Here the clearest possible distinction is drawn between Jesus Christ, who was on earth, and the Father who spoke to Him from heaven as one person speaks to another person, and the Holy Spirit who descended in a bodily form as a dove from the Father, who was speaking, to the Son, to whom He was speaking, and rested upon the Son as a Person separate and distinct from Himself. We see a clear distinction drawn between the name of the Father and that of the Son and that of the Holy Spirit in Matt, xxviii.19, where we read, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The distinction of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son comes out again with exceeding clearness in John xiv.16. Here we read, "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever." Here we see the one Person, the Son, praying to another Person, the Father, and the Father to whom He prays giving another Person, another Comforter, in answer to the prayer of the second Person, the Son. If words mean anything, and certainly in the Bible they mean what they say, there can be no mistaking it, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are three distinct and separate Persons.
Again in John xvi.7, a clear distinction is drawn between Jesus who goes away to the Father and the Holy Spirit who comes from the Father to take His place. Jesus says, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you." A similar distinction is drawn in Acts ii.33, where we read, "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." In this passage, the clearest possible distinction is drawn between the Son exalted to the right hand of the Father and the Father to whose right hand He is exalted, and the Holy Spirit whom the Son receives from the Father and sheds forth upon the Church.

To sum it all up, again and again the Bible draws the clearest possible distinction between the three Persons, the Holy Spirit, the Father and the Son. They are three separate personalities, having mutual relations to one another, acting upon one another, speaking of or to one another, applying the pronouns of the second and third persons to one another.

There are no three persons! There are no three persons!! There are no three persons!!!

Where did you ever see three Persons in scripture?

I didn't want to really go into this but let me say this ans I will close.

Just like you know and agree that we, even as humans are Triune, meaning we are Spirits having a soul and lives in a shell calls the body. So also, there are three components of everything created large or small.
And every of this thing has a purpose, a means and a result.
Put it like this

Purpose=== The first End
The Means === The immediate End
The Result==== The final End.

The purpose and Means are Spiritual hence cannot be seeb, while the result is in the physical.

The Purpose and means is the underlying realities of the result.
Jesus is the result of what YHWH purposed to do on earth.

solite3:
Do you care to study the bible at all? Tell me what essence means? Jesus is Yahweh manifested i human form yes but Jesus is not God the Father.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was in the bissom of the father meaning he is separate from the Father not the heresy you are propagating.

What you are saying is that Jesus is both the father ,son and holy Ghost which has no scriptural evidence.
What we should be talking of, is scriptural evidence.
You dont dismiss a something because it is not explicitly stated even when evidence abound else, rapture and bible are not stated in the bible but yet are true.

Pls, what is the bossom of the father?

Now we are getting to where the Word is not all Literal.

And yes, Jesus is the Fatber, the son and the Holy Spirit and they are scriptural evidences. I just gave out one here.
And here is Jesus telling you that He was the Holy Spirit, but you didn't understand.

John 14:17-20
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Open your eyes and read the Bible line by line,

Blabbermouth:
Tell me about this part.

Lol. You said I shd post it, I have, so maybe you shd be the one to tell me what Jesus was saying to Philip there.

Blabbermouth:
Did you see the attachment?

Yes I did, and i responded to it.

Blabbermouth:
Your soul has relaxed. I'm glad...
Now, Jesus is really YHWH Himself [b] Where in the bible was it expressed?

I need you to explain what this scripture means;
John 14:8-10
[b]Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Pls remember the focus is Who is YHWH? That is what Philip asked.

And ...
[b]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?

What are you saying Jesus? I asked for Jehovah not you. By this, are you implying that you are the father? Philip must have thought.

Jesus went on

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
Theres no different father from me.


and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Why are you asking for what is in front of you Philip?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

I guess you don't understand what 'In' here means. I didn't tok until I did.

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

solite3:
that is exactly what trinity is. No trinity is one God but three persons.


Madam you are giving out what you think not what the bible says remember our authority is the bible.

And you have not been able to show me one place where the Bible says there are three persons in one God and you will never find that place.

Do you know what an Essence means?

Bros YHWH is the underlying reality of Jesus, while Jesus is the manifestation In a human form of YHWh.

Blabbermouth:
When you look at the mirror, what do you see? The exact replica of your physical form.
Is the image an imposter?? No, it is a reflection.

See? You don't understand who Jesus is.

Jesus is not a reflection of God, we are.

Jesus is really YHWH Himself.

And that Meme of that atheist, lol. Yeah, pretty much, that is what it is. It may sound stupid to you, but didn't the Bible say the things of the spirit sound stupid to carnal people?

Blabbermouth:
It is inconsequential but people have turned away through it.

How?

solite3:
But, remember, if you die and in your mind you believe they are three person in one God, you will be termed an idolater, and won't be allowed into the kingdom of God.

God is One. Jesus is the manifestation of Jehovah. He is the Holy Spirit.



Bolded where part of your words, you wrote that anyone who believes in the trinity is going to hell, which is a pure heresy.

And you alao claim Jesus is the holy Spirit which is another heresy.

God is one does not mean he is one person.

I am not against Trinity o. And I didn't say anyone who beives in Trinity will go to hell. i said anyone who believes that there are rhree persons in one God will go to hellfire. Saying there are three persons is saying there are three essences which manifested differently and are distinctively gods in their individual rights. This is idolatry.

I said Jeus is YHWH and He is the Holy Spirit too. The Trinity does not mean there are three persons in one God.

Jesus is the Trinity. The Trinity is in Jesus, the Divine Human God.

He is One essence who manifested differently.

Bros, this is too high for you, so don't worry.

jesusjnr:
With respect to the bolded, they do so in error because it is not technically correct, however it is an error that is quite spiritually inconsequential because God has put everything into the hand of His Son Jesus', and considering how humble God is, He wouldn't be bothered about it.

But technically speaking, you are correct that Jesus is not God Almighty, and neither is He the equal of God Almighty, because Jesus Himself said that the Father was greater than Him.

So there are numerous other evidences which supports this position, some of which you've posited and others which you've not even touched to show that this position is overwhelmingly scriptural.

God gave John, the brother of James, a rare revelation which no other apostle in the Bible had, which was that Jesus was the Word of God which was in the beginning. And that it was that Word that was made flesh. {John 1:1,14}

And if you go to the beginning, you'd see that He was the Word which proceeded from God's mouth, which God used in the process of creation. And the Spirit of God which also proceeded from God was the One which performed the Word which emanated from God's mouth.

So both the Word of God and the Spirit of God proceeded from God, for they belong to Him, therefore they can be cannot be the equal of God Almighty who they proceeded from.

But since they proceeded from God, they also have the "God" attribute in them which makes them to also be God, as in God the Word/Son, God the Spirit.

But They are not God Almighty, who is also the Father, neither are they equal to Him, even though they are One.

God bless.

Then you should go further and explain why Jesus took up all the attributes of YHWH. Was He an impostor?

How can YHWH the father be Lord, and Jesus the Son also be Lord?

I don't even want to get started on this.

You know zilk about the Word of God.

Blabbermouth:
Sister, I am against this!!!!!

So what then are we haggling about?

Blabbermouth:
As Christians, we do not argue, we never will. Let us enlighten each other with the bible. Your stance on Trinity is very bad. I know "Jesus is God" but not in the same sense which you view it. Your kind of view has made so many people atheists.

Really? Pls explain to me how my views can make one an atheist.

I am just not in the mood for this right now, may be I would find time and we wld talk about this.

Jesus is YHWH Bros. He is not different from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

najib632:
Only ignorant muslims leave islam, so I won't bother. Belief in Jesus Christ the messiah and the son of mary is compulsory in islam infact it is heresy to disbelieve in him.

You mean an assistant Chief Imam is an ignorant Muslim?

Hahahahahahahaha. Pls tell me why Muslims who encounter Jesus Christ don't remain Muslims and believe in Essa bin Marriam as the Messiah in Islam, why do they all leave Islam and call allah satan?

Blabbermouth:
Okay, cull out bible verses from the chapter that backs your claim.

Only if you wld show me where the Bible says there are three persons in one God

solite3:
what do you mean deeper?
These are things revealed in the bible understanding these things comes through prayerful study of the bible not assumptions. Whatever God reveals is through his written word.
You claimed anyone who believes God is three persons in one is an idolater without even trying to see the bible bible for yourself. Sis these things are in the bible not hidden.

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Bros, this is why I said, I don't bother discussing this.

Don't worry.

najib632:
I never said he should go and pick up a bible and start reading everything to find the name of Muhammad s.a.w. I said he should go to "youtube" and search with the entry "evidence of prophet muhammad in the bible". I hope you understand.

Lol. You mean the evidence you muslims assume is in the Bible?
Have you considered why every time a Muslim sees Jesus they leave Islam and becomes Christians and calls allah satan?

You can also search that out from the YouTube

Blabbermouth:
Read the chapter 1 of Hebrews top to bottom. When you are done, you will erase all you've said..

That Chapter actually says Jesus is God hahahahahahaha. See? I know you are confused

solite3:
Sis sincerely this is wrong. You said we shouldn't take the bible literally pls clarify.
The events in the bible are true and were recorded.

The bible should be the standard

I didn't say the event in the Bible are not true bros. This has nothing to do with events, Trinity is a Concept not an event.

Rapture is a Concept not an event.

The Church is a Concept and not an event.

Baptism is a Concept and not an event.

There are a lot of concepts and principles in the Bible that are far beyond what you know and take to mean literally.

Every teaching, (take the Ten Commandments for example), is not Just literal as they seen, they are deeper than just 'thou shall nots'

Blabbermouth:
The Enlightenment II {Is Christ God?}
Look out and search, read the bible and meditate on it. Jesus declared it, the demons knew it, even the apostles showed it.
I am a bit rusty and I'm not really a fan of quoting bible verses but I am sure these are words of Christ and not mine.
Matthew 10:40"He that recieves you receives me, he that receiveth me receiveth HE THAT SENT ME".
Matthew 11:25 " I thank you FATHER, lord of heaven and earth, that you have......"
Matthew 10:33 "Whoever denies me before men, I will also deny before my FATHER who is in heaven.
Matthew 8:29 " What have you to do with us, O SON OF GOD"
Another one, was when Jesus was teaching and told those present that he hasn't come on his own accord but everything he hath done and is to do hath been of the FATHER".{Anyone that remembers the bible reference for this should please help me out with it}.....
He that hath the truth in him let him confirm that this are the words of Christ and that Christ was openly declaring that he wasn't our Heavenly father, He is the Son of the father.
He through propitiations has even bestowed the grace that we also may be Sons of the Most-High-God [Just as He (Lord Jesus) is]
Why do many believers preach foolish doctrines that the Most-High-God was the one who came down in human form?
Why then Do many Christians equate Jesus with God?
(I demand an answer)
Cc: OLAADEGBU Jesusjnr Anas09 MuttleyLaff solite3 blueAgent

Trinity is too much if a mystery to discuss with people who take the Bible to be a literal. Just forget it.

But, remember, if you die and in your mind you believe they are three person in one God, you will be termed an idolater, and won't be allowed into the kingdom of God.

God is One. Jesus is the manifestation of Jehovah. He is the Holy Spirit.

It will confuse you more if I begin to explain to you what He meant when he refered to YHWH as His father and Him being sent.

Just know that right now as we speak, Jesus is not a separate entity from YHWH in heaven. They are no two or three (God) personalities in heaven.

There's only One God abd His name is Jesus.

najib632:
It seems you have a some issues with comprehension, it thought you were mocking me. The purpose of the bible is to verify if the verses that will be shown in the video are not fabricated.

What is wrong with these people? Is it a crime for Muslims to be intelligent too?

Just read what you typed if it makes sense.

OkCornel:
I salute your sincerity here I must admit.


May the Almighty continually help us as we walk
and grow in Him. Amen


Strengths and weaknesses we all have, God help us in our walk towards perfection.

Amen.

Ladylite:
Ogbeni go and soak garri. Thunder fire your eyes.... Which eyes do you have to see.

LOL, scriptural ignoramus.... Better go and sit under true men of God like Apostle Arome, Apostle Joshua Selman and Chris Oyakhilome.

. Have some sense.

Need I say more?
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

As water answereth to the face, the deep calleth to the deep. Prov. 27:19

Its hard to pretend to be a Christian. When you open your mouth, it will show.


You're calling thunder on me? Hahahahahahaha. If I call thunder on you, be sure you wld be strucked.

Rest in Peace.

Michellekabod2:
I think the apology should be from me because I was the one who quoted you and was rude to you. Please forgive me Anas.. am sorry...lots of love to you

We have said things that hurts, so it's okay.
Let Love lead

And, I want you yo know that my going after Jjnr as hard as I did was not because I hate him, it's because I love him.

Satan has claimed more lives that it pains me to see an intelligent and a passionate guy like Jesusjnr going down the drain just like that.

If Jesusjnr was indeed preaching sound gospel, many wld be saved and be on their way to heaven.

I started hitting him hard because, instead of looking into what you're trying to point out to him, he attacks you. The worst is, he sniffs around looking for dirt to smear you with. I mean, who does that?

I most confess, I feel contrite after attacking him. But that guy is impossible lol.

I hope God forgives me sha.

malvisguy212:
Anas . God bless you. I always have confidence in you.

Thanks brother. May God humble us and keep us till he appears