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Ibime:
The problem is you are stüpid and you think you are smart.

US and Psaki said they don't own or operate it, and that stands true. It is written on the US Embassy website in black and white that it is owned and executed by Ukraine.

You wrongly interpreted that as "denying it's existence" and went down your conspiratorial rabbit hole when all their involvement in helping to set up and secure the labs are published everywhere.



You further compound your stüpidity by picking up a YouTube video that they willingly published on how they help countries "store dangerous biological pathogens..." and equate it to weapons. Something they do for 336 labs in 30 countries, published in full view of the world.

Doofus, the name of the agency is the Biological Threat Reduction Program. Do you think they are helping countries study flowers?

There is no country in the civilized world that does not have labs where Pathogens like Cholera, Anthrax, etc are being studied.

But give a stupid nigga a little information that nobody is even hiding, and he suddenly becomes a lab scientist/conspiracy theorist.

The Director literally said on Feb 25th, over two weeks ago that the Russians should be careful not to knockout power systems so they don't release pathogens, a fool with a little information is talking about weapons.

So Russia just took something that is in the public domain, repackaged it for stupid people and let an eediot like you run with it

And guess what, those labs also had oversight from the EU and WHO. So I guess EU and WHO were helping US setup Biological Weapons factory in Ukraine?

The reaction of any right-thinking person would be "it's a lab, there are pathogens in it". Exactly what I said. . . but a conspiracy filled doofus like yourself started with "US denied it's existence", then start to build your foolish theories from there.

Last time you were on Nairaland as Elruditor, you were also pigheadedly arguing about Wuhan labs. A debtor should not speak.

There is a reason you have to write this long windy epistle filled with nonsense and insulting words. Everyone knows you'll literally make up stuff for ego sake.

So pray tell, what does dangerous biological pathogen mean? And don't forget, if it is not a "weapon" why is Nuland trying to make sure Russian forces are prevented from taking possession of it?

If they are trying to reduce threats why not simply incinerate the pathogens? Why spend billions helping Ukraine "store" them?

Notice I am ignoring all the versions of your middle and last name that you filled your post with as well as the useless deflection on EU/WHO brebrebre.

Ain't nobody got time for your fictional writing. Just use plain words to respond. I would not suddenly inherit your mental illness just because you wish it on me ma niggur.

afrodoc2:
I get you. I am just saying that surely can't be what he meant cos that would be so wrong. It's all good sha.

Is that not Mr Juxtapose?

PS: I am joking DonJ just catching trips.

afrodoc2:


He surely can't mean that. Putin is an angel next to Stalin. Maybe people should read about the The Great Terror and about people like Yagoda and Beria. Then read about the Gulag. Then about the Holodomor.
And these are just some of his greatest hits.

I am not saying he is right or wrong I am just saying that is what I think he meant.

Ibime:
You cornered yourself with conspiratorial rubbish about US denying existence of labs when they have published their involvement in the labs for years and spoke about the lab just two weeks ago.

You were cornered then, but chose to indulge your mental illness and conspiracy mindset with foolish conspiracy questions.

Elruditor, go and pay your debt.

lol. Nuland was asked if Ukraine had chemical and biological weapons.

What should her answer have been? A simple 'no'. Then she could have gone on to explain how what they had in collaboration with the US was all that good stuff you tried to peddle.

Instead, she posits that Russian forces have to be prevented from laying hold of the research materials in Ukraine.

You tried to claim "anything could be weaponized" which is your version of saying whatever those materials are, may not be intentionally harmful.

When I point out that "fact-checkers", Jen Psaki etc denied the existence of the labs, you reverted to it was never hidden and how similar lab was in Russia.

Then I ask you why Russian forces should be prevented from laying hold of something they already have in their country and you start throwing labels around.

See their own link and take note of the time 1 min 9 seconds. 1 min 9 seconds-1 min 20 seconds. Ignore how defensive this was even 2 years ago and focus on the key words "store dangerous biological pathogens..." that is what they themselves say they use such facilities for.

That destroys your "anything can be weaponized" or "they don't operate it" or all the other irrelevant nonsense that you tried to present.

You can call me Elruditor from now till Kingdom come. It won't change shii ma negro.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9cCqChMLs

Ibime:
I have given you all the information needed and you still continue with your conspiracy filled Trumpian world view. Your wahala.

When cornered, use labels or insult your way out.

Ibime:
They denied they owned or operated the lab, and that is correct, they don't own or operate the lab, they support it in terms of safety, best practice, upgrade, decommissioning etc as they do with hundreds of labs across the world which are owned and operated by the native Govts including in Russia. Govt know citizens are generally dumb and will keep it simple than explaining too much X and Y especially where propaganda appeals to the simple minded. BTRP work is not hidden. If you simply Google BTRP, you can watch their videos in various countries. They also work in Russia. Conspiratorial minded citizens should stop playing Inspector Clouseau and let professional agencies do their work rather than taking surface knowledge and drawing conclusions.

So Nuland is worried that the same facility already in Russia should be prevented from getting into the hand of Russian forces?

Ibime:
Nuland didn't fess up anything. It's been on USA Embassy website that they have jointly worked with Ukraine in setting up these labs for eons

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

USA is perfectly allowed to support Ukraine scientists to study pathogens as they do all over the world. They partner with 30 countries in lab research. Let me even shock you, they have joint projects with Russia itself. They said before the war that they have joint labs there and Russia should move carefully so as not to leak any pathogens. Any country would not want a pathogen to fall into the hands of enemies who could mass produce it for nefarious activities or use it for propaganda as they are doing now. It does not mean they were producing weapons.

Let lab scientists be lab scientists. Millions of them are handling harmful substances and pathogens on a daily, it does not make them terrorists.

Where your logic fails is Ukraine or any other country does not need USA to produce biological or chemical weapons. If any country is wicked enough, it can take common anthrax, mass produce it and deliver it to its neighbours, even Nigeria can do that. You don't need US expertise for that.

So why did the US government immediately go into overdrive as soon as Nuland made this admission, denying any form of this research lab being spoken about and even called it Russian propaganda?

Ibime:
Nope, where did you infer that

Here:

Ibime:
Nope, USA is not stupid enough to keep such things in the hand of an unstable country that has been at risk of imminent invasion since 2014.

I say so because Nuland fessed up to the labs and said America was working with the Ukrainians "on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach". Verbatim.

Ibime:
Nope, USA is not stupid enough to keep such things in the hand of an unstable country that has been at risk of imminent invasion since 2014. If the Russians found anything incriminating, they will analyse and tell us exactly what it is, not their batshit story.

So Nuland lied to Rubio, got it.

Havertz10:
private companies they have shareholders and those shareholders have agendas that must be served

This is a risky conversation.

Ibime:
Every pathogen can be weaponised, even your local chemist can be termed a chemical weapons factory if you are mischievous enough. There are labs all over the world and many labs are joint efforts between countries and research bodies.

Making the leap to weapons is food for stupid people. The Russians even said the Ukrainians will deploy it through "bats and other wildlife" to show they disrespect their own people's intelligence. Hehehe.

I agree with the highlighted part. Meanwhile, imagine if the research lab was not producing possibly weaponized pathogens, the US will have no reason to deny its existence, right?

swiz123:
Lampard just threw Roman under the bus. Where are those defending him for not congratulating Chelsea after winning the UCL. This dude is very vindictive.

Lampard thought his loyalty to Chelsea will be rewarded with a new contract before he left as a player, but he was jilted. Then flip down the years, as a manager, having qualified the team for the UCL after the transfer ban, Roman quickly had him fired during that bad patch. Lampard never forgot about it!

Havertz10:
Its legal to call for the death of the President of Russia on social media

You wouldn't get banned, such discussions are encouraged


2022 look at the kind of practises a company is promoting

I laugh in new world order.

raumdeuter:
Stalin died in 1953
Putin was born a few months earlier in 1952

Help me understand the logic of outlasting someone old enough to be your great grandfather

He means Putin has outdone Stalin in conducting tyrannical acts. He is using 'outlast' here not in terms of longevity but in terms of tyrannical acts.

Havertz10:
watch the video, Marco Rubio was questioning her

Nuland knew she could not lie when Rubio asked her and for that I respect her. Another man, lied brazenly and nothing happened. People wey know, know.

donjazet:
I prefer not to form an opinion about all these bioweapons allegations until we see if any is being used.
Russia is accusing US of wanting to use it against Russia and US is saying this is another ruse from Putin to justify attempting to use bio weapons against Ukrainians. Let's wait and see. I'm disillusioned by all the news flying around.

Translation: I am not predisposed to believing this because it does not align with my biases.

Ibime:
The video says Biological research, not WEAPONS

If what you are making in the lab can be weaponized, that lab is producing weapons.

patrickmuf:
Will you now go ahead and admit that Chelsea benefitted from the proceeds of corruption thus you rescind any form of membership or support you hard for Chelsea?

You're taking a very extreme position on this matter...

Any time you see an extreme viewpoint just note that you are seeing someone who only listens to or accepts information that already confirms their bias.

You guys think even Roman Catholics take this globalist shill Pope seriously?

Havertz10:
saw this yesterday, real inflation is over 15%, if you average it out should be around 20+ now but their government feeds its people 7%

If the hyperinflation that has existed in the stock market has dripped into actual economy then America is majorly screwed, thrinkle down economics at work

Sanctioning china and it's consequences might lead to break down of law and order, that 2nd amendment rights that they like to spew wouldn't even give dialogue a chance, the fact that they aren't even investigating that insurrection should tell you how much chaos is being subdued

I was reading comments hoping someone will point this out but they just kept on with the average $4 per gallon gas price and so-called 7.9% inflation. You are so correct. The average gas price is $6.5 per gallon across the US and the inflation is 100% double digits. The propaganda now is, it is the "Putin Price Hike" and people are here repeating it like it is truth. Mass psychosis.

Gas is $9 per gallon in California.

Ibime:
Yes I was slow to catch up cos at that time I'd only seen a handful of your post on Chelsea thread. I don't go in other threads. You gave yourself away by referring to argument I had with Nihilistjnr maybe 6 or 7 years ago because Nihilist and I have been cordial for years and even relate offline so you must be an oldie

Same writing style and use of verbage, check
Memory of things that happened before you registered, check
Barca fan, check
City fan, check
Pep balls in mouth, check
Trump balls in mouth, check

Elruditor, go and pay your debt.

My original account is Android17. Find out if that account was registered longer than 6 or 7 years ago. I have interacted with a Chelsea fan outside of this thread in a way that when people have accused me of being Elruditor, Coogar, terrorist apologist etc, the person will laugh because he knows all those things are funny. For the record, I am not a Barcelona fan and I have never been one. I don't think across political lines as well. I'll agree with Trump on some issues and still accuse him of unpardonable sins on others. Those who know my stance on certain issues on other threads will know exactly what I mean. I barely ever even discuss Pep Guardiola. He is the current manager of the club I support so at times people's criticism of him will affect their opinion of my club. Continue with the labeling. I am enjoying it.

Ibime:
I have now seen enough to corroborate what everyone else suspected. Go and pay your debt.

k. So you are either now wrong or right but slower than everyone else.

Ibime:
Elruditor, go and pay your debt. What business does someone who has problem paying N20k debt have with carrying Trump matter in America for head. Is that not mental illness? Please Sir, I want to avoid discussing politics with people of a Trumpanzee world view on Chelsea thread. Kindly respect that. Thanks.

Labeling again. I thought you argued here that I was not Elruditor but now that I have exposed your ignorance on this issue, I have become the same Elruditor? Can you swear on your life that you are not a medically diagnosed schizophrenic?

Ibime:
Like I said from the start, if you are a Trumpanzee which you clearly are, identify yourself so I can avoid discussing with someone with a mental imbalance.

Again with the labeling because you cannot refute facts.

Vindman reported the matter to National Security Council which is in his chain of command, and when it wasn't addressed, he reported it to a CIA agent who contacted Congress to investigate. These are legitimate means of raising a complaint, just like a Police Officer may report his force to the FBI or you can report to an Ombudsman if your company does not take your HR complaint seriously. He didn't go on Facebook live naming his superiors and call for a revolution.

That is why I told you to stay within your limited grasp of things. Only an activist and politically charged military personnel will seek options outside of his chain of command because his amebo was not being handled. You are now admitting he went outside of his chain of command yet continue to call me names. Like Scheller like Vindman, like Milley. All 3 broke chain of command but only 1 was rightly punished for it.

At this point, I end discussion because I don't want to discuss with a Trumpanzee or engage with mental illness on Chelsea thread. There is politics section if I want to do that. Like I said, you are right and Putin is just another normal Head of State.

This is a low blow and do you know what makes it funny? I have always had respect for you because for someone with clear mental problems as Nihilist has told you before, you sustain enough cognition to be understood. Why you would then decide to use that one thing that has troubled you from your youth to insult someone else is certainly low. But I'll still maintain my decorum and be kind to slow people. Take your meds Ibime.

Ibime:
Every company or organisation have due process for reporting wrongdoing of anyone within that company.

Next time you notice wrongdoing in your workplace, you have a choice to follow your companies internal process for reporting it or you can go on Facebook live and broadcast it. I assure you one of those methods will get you sacked while the other one will get your complaints heard at the very least. Vindman is still an employee of the military due to the fact he followed due process, despite reporting Trump who normally won't hesitate to sack people at the drop of a hat. An ïdiot like you would equate the two scenarios under the umbrella of "undermining your boss".




Remember my first response to your post - "you sound like a Trumpanzee". That's not me attacking your personality. That was simply me checking if you have a mental instability before I address anything in your post. I would have simply ended the conversation there if you responded in the affirmative.

Your attempt to normalise Putin by equating an army officer who reported wrongdoing via the proper channels with another one who went on Facebook live, by unsubstantiated claims that Zelensky is the same as Putin for "killing people" when Ukraine has been fighting a civil war, or by equating Putin to Biden trying to drone an ISIS member who just organised a suicide bombing and unfortunately droning the wrong target of civilians, plus your deeper dive into Trumpanzee talking points of Vindman and co shows that it is my mistake for trying to discuss with someone with mental instability. Let's just agree that you are right and Putin is a genius for invading Ukraine as your dear orange leader commanded you to believe.

It is possible to say "I am not very knowledgeable on this issue" and then rest. You must not use every opportunity to regurgitate the same mainstream talking points and think you have the slightest clue about what is actually going on. See your Vindman response for e.g, I just did not want to address where you goofed because I seek to engage not to embarrass but the fact that you keep churning out the same libtard playbook narrative means I have to show you why I said you are making stuff up and essentially talking nonsense while at it.

First, Vindman's chain of command ends with the C-in-C. What that means is, Vindman's talk (if he had followed due process) would have ended up on the president's desk. You are right that that president was Trump, who may have given an instruction that he STFU but how many military men (even in Nigeria) have seen some perceived wrong done to someone else but had to shut up because their direct boss told them to - let alone your C-in-C?

Which leads to my next point, Vindman did not only break his chain of command, he did so by going to Democrats both outside of the white house and the military. He went to Erica Ciaramella who worked for Adam Schiff who is a sworn enemy of Trump and the man who started the now failed impeachment proceedings. Again, proving that Vindman did not whistleblow out of integrity but out of his own political leaning and agenda and he provided highly classified info to individuals who did not have the clearance to listen to that information.

Third, Vindman's job as the NSC was to listen to the president's call on Ukraine and where necessary give advice since he was fully knowledgeable on the language and some of their military strategy whilst also translating properly whatever the Ukrainians had to say to the US, period. It was not his duty to insist that the president followed his counsel. Vindman got butthurt because he gave counsel that his C-in-C did not accept, so in retaliation, he decided to report on a part of the phone call where he gave his own interpretation of what the president said. Time proved him to be a liar by the way.

Fourth, Vindman is no longer in the service. Any wonder why he retired? He did so because he had broken a military 'bro code' and he knew nobody within the military was ever going to take him seriously so he had to retire. If he had the professional ethics and integrity that libtards think he had, he should have resigned as soon as he heard something he felt he needed to report. Then, he would have been free to do what he did - whether right or wrong - but he did not. Most of the veterans who spoke on him called him a Blue Falcon (go figure) and many said he was always letting his politics get in the way of his duty as a service man.

I hope you can see how this connects to Scheller as well. Both soldiers broke chain of command by reporting outside of the military-recognized chain of command even for whistleblowing. However, one of them was praised by the media and democrats alike (there is no difference between the 2) while the other was court-martialed for breaking chain of command and undermining leadership. And if you even pretend to be rational and able to analyze information, you would have seen that it is the same hypocrisy/double standard that the OP was referring to when I chimed in.

Thomas Sowell said it is stupid to assume you can give a rational opinion on anything when all you know is from one side of the story and from the side that confirms your bias. He was right. You clearly did not know anything about Vindman but hurriedly researched him from the mainstream outlets and ventured into spewing the same nonsense they so glibly did about 3 years ago when he was making the news. Similar to the way you assumed Trump defended Putin even when 2 things are sure as day. 1 is that Putin refused to recognize the separatists for all of Trump's tenure as president of the US and 2. That Trump praised Putin's strategy and not his intention. Now I expect you to just type out more conjecture from your head to rebut things you clearly know nothing about. I'll spare you of an unnecessarily long post in demolishing the Biden/Afghan-Putin/Donbass part. Hopefully someone else takes you up on it.

kong200:
Imagine the justification, damn!!

They think along political lines so they think everyone else is the same.

kong200:
What do you mean by wrong info? If wrong info can be used to justify the death of innocents in the middle east which include children then we should also use wrong info for the innocents killed in Ukraine. Or Ukrainian lives are important than their counterparts in the middle east?

It's funny that separatists in Donbass are compared to ISWAP and Boko Haram therefore it's justified to kill over 14,000 of them simply because they want out of Ukraine but same people won't justify Buhari killing IPOB for wanting out of Nigeria.

Double standard is the new standard.

I dislike engaging him because he lies unprovoked and depends on labeling and ad homimen to mask his ignorance of the issues at hand.

Ibime:
What did they do and how does it relate to this, or deserve a court martial?

Vimdman followed due process and reported Trump through the correct whistleblowing channels provided by the military. He didn't go on Facebook live and call out his generals to civilians on social media. He reported up his chain of command.

It's best you stick to the facts of your original post and whether your conclusions were correct or not, than opening up new debates along your political ideology. I have little patience for Trumpanzees and don't want to be responding to new Trumpanzee talking points with each post please.

I have little patience for liars myself. People who just make up nonsense on the fly - something many have accused you of because it is true. Your post is twaddle. Imagine a Lt Colonel reporting his Commander in Chief of all Armed Forces and someone is saying due process. Who do you report your commander in chief to?
Fact is, it is not even difficult for anyone to know why Vindman or Milley come into the picture. They essentially did the same thing Scheller was accused of doing - undermining leadership not the imaginative nonsense you have up there.
And just like that, I can eviscerate your lies about the 7 children that were killed in Afghanistan or the funny bit where you compared Russians in the Donbass region of Ukraine to Boko Haram. Such arrant silliness.
But I know your angle and it is weak; where you fail to control how someone else thinks so you try to control how others think of said person.

Ibime:
Source: Facts

No army will keep such a loose lipped man who can't guard his tongue and will call out his superiors by name. He is lucky he didn't face court martial. One day you will grow up and learn how the World works.

Good. So explain how both Alexander Vindman and General Milley were not court martialed for doing worse, if as you claim, no army will keep such loose lipped men.

Ibime:
You spoke a lot of untruths. That colonel was sacked for speaking out against his generals, calling them by name, and for calling for a revolution. No army will keep such a loose lipped idiot in their ranks. Regardless of his thoughts on his Generals competence or lack of it, that's rule 101 in the army, and he nailed his coffin by calling for a revolution which is an instant sack for any serviceman, and in olden days would be a court martial.

Secondly no children were deliberately targeted to be killed in Afghanistan. The ISIS bomber was targeted but they had the wrong info. Again an asinine attempt at a comparison between Biden and Putin

According to you, Zelensky is killing dissidents from Luhansk and Donetsk. Another propaganda. There has been war going on in Luhansk and Donetsk since 2014 and Zelensky's army is killing seperatists fighting in a war as he should, the same way Buharis army is entitled to kill any ISWAP or Boko Haram at war with Nigeria.

The only thing you got right in your post is Xis systematic erasure of the Uighurs.

Rational and mature interpretation of information is becoming a lot to ask in this social media age.

Source: Trust me bro.

Ibime:
You sound like a Trumpanzee

I just presented facts that the mainstream media are not projecting to contextualize the argument about "hypocrisy" made by the OP.