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When I was younger his favourite brands were Gulder, Star and Heineken.
Eventually dumped Gulder and settled for Heineken. Did whisky as well. I doubt I can call him just a social drinker. he'll drive out after work or he'll have the fridge stocked up. Then his favorite whisky in the bedroom. He generally had a nice time when he's inebriated plus he is very funny person so expect a lot of comedy moments.

I ran alot of errands buying him drinks. He has a very heightened smell - I dont know how or where he learnt that. There was this time he smelt alomo I was drinking in my room just by passing the corridor. He warned me sternly to only I repeat ONLY drink beer. Ironical
There were days he'll bandy me along to bars with his friend and expect me to drink as well but I never felt well drinking beer at the same table with my dad.
Plus I was expected to drive him. Most times when he isnt back we'll panic knowing he is drinking and still expected to drive.
Most times I'll have to locate where he was so I'll drive or bring him home.
There was this day he was at a neighbour's place and it was eating into the night. Bottles were def involved. I legit walked to their gate, entered the house and into their presence and asked that we leave. He just laughed, said "my son has spoken", greeted them and left with me

He lost his job in 2006. I was barely out of secondary school. The intoxication increased. But we all understood and supported him especially me. There were quarrels many nights but tranquility the morning after. He never kept grudges, hell he doesnt even know how to be angry.
He'll get mad at you this minute and next minute acting like nothing happened.
But with the drinks, I'll support him sometimes to his bed. My mom would get embarrassed, nag, shout and get irritated when he drinks even at social functions you know how women are, but never me! Never! I was never embarrased. I was always happy to be around and support him during these periods sef. I realised at a young age that no one is perfect! Not you, not me, not him. So i stopped feeling shame!

He was my superman. My Alpha Male. My role model, though he drank or smoke (something he always wanted to quit) this man spared nothing to support, provide and keep our family together. Ensured all I repeat all were trained. I alone was a handful but he was always there. Always fuckin there! When I behaved badly, he was there! Performed excellently, he was! Even when I was bed ridden guess who was there? HIM! although he'll find time to take a few at intervals. He was NEVER NOT THERE!

So despite the alcohol and the cigarettes. AND INCLUDING THE ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES, MY DAD CAN DO ME NO WRONG!
He is quite elderly now so the drinking has toned down to with his age. But he is still perfect to me!

Long Time No See guys!

Woke up to an ITA yesterday! After a four month wait coupled with googling other "japa" alternatives should this not work.
I wasnt sure what the cut off would be but my 481 felt comfortable. I needed that ITA before I lose 5 points in September - God came through.
Well, started tidying all my documents. And yes I pushed my vacation dates to begin August because I was hoping the draws would resume then but July it was!
I have to book a date for medicals and I'm excited about going Lagos after a year and five months.

Work has also been ok. Challenging, suspenseful but ok. Working from home is tiring. Nobody to tease, gist or play with. I pray we see the end of Covid soon. Heart goes out to people who have suffered/ lost jobs during this unfortunate pandemic.
I am just grateful.

You are so much more courageous than you think!
Your courage would also be strength to others having same guilt.

Pay no heed to those answers about 'why didnt you use condom? Or how you got intimate with someone you couldn't stand etc. Nigerians will never know how to answer questions or move on.

For your first question.
My question now is how does one cope�?
Use this sensible answer. If you are willing to learn to cope - this will also be dependent on her willingness to change (Including you too, because I'm sure you might be making her life miserable too now) and be generally better.

GodShowmemercy:
Start wooing her again

For your second question.
how I am going to live the rest of my life?

If you still cant cope, use this intelligent response.

veave:
You mustn't stay married to anyone you're not in love with. It is still early to set her free, set yourself free as well for your sound mind. If you stay there, both of you will live in frustration and I bet you don't want to build a home in disarray.
Initially she would cry and lament but trust me she'd get someone else to love her properly and so would you.
No one is coming to this world twice, this one you're sure of, yank off any and everything that would cause you discomfort. You don't want to wake up one day in your 50s or 70s full of regrets and what ifs.

Emem Isong, kunle Afolayan, Tunde Kelani would be interested in this script

I can tell you really love your wife. What is her opinion on this?
If it doesnt sit well with her as it doesnt with you then stand your ground. Besides what kind of "king making" requires you to compulsorily take another wife.
Tell them your own Deity has prohibited you from marrying another wife.

But only accept if madam is fine with it for the sake of peace in your family and community. Because your responsibility is first to your wife, family and thirdly, the community.

From all you've explained. Well, your former boss's daughter would be the perfect fit.

But on side ask yourself; if your former boss was in your position. Would she choose you or her own blood - sister?

Best of luck!

ripmyheartout:
In Brazil exist many racism but that is ridiculous. In Brazil all people have acess to free public schools. Black Brazilians have free condoms and contraceptive like all Brazilians. Black Brazilians have acess to public health like all Brazilians. We have respected black Brazilians singers and actors. Brazilians professionals like nursing, doctors, teachers treated black Brazilians very well. Of course exist much racism in Brazil society but that is not true the point 'Brazil is a satan of black people". How many countries in África getting free vaccines, free condoms, free public health, with a good doctors like Brazil? White Brazilians treated black Brazilians very well. Of course exist racism and many african Brazilians live in slums but not like the media portrays.

The comment that triggered you is an excerpt from this The guardian article. Please drop grievance with them in comment section.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/09/black-people-racism-anti-blackness-discrimination-minorities

KevUnique:
But why are you so bent on making a point and expecting him to accept it? He won't.
Don't you think you have typed too much already? I know this whole thread stinks of "battle of the sexes" type of narrative , but there are some people who will never see things the way you do. Don't get yourself worked up trying to make him accept your philosophy. Live stress free. Remember , this is just the internet.

Lool. You didnt see me putting a knife to his neck to accept did you? Or where did you read that I'm forcing down his throat?

He posted a public topic and expected public replies. I posted public reply. If its not bothering him but bothering you then you have a problem.

And if it's a problem to you, start learning to unlook or advise him to look for another forum that has private topics so he can invite whoever he wishes to contribute privately.
Till then, live stress free yourself.

Romangalactic:
Many are gainfully employed and effing comfortable out of over 90million females in nigeria = those found in multinationals, public offices, and sensitive positions.
You are the best statistician ever

A lot of organisations and multinationals have a detailed percentage of female staff in their employ by regions. An example of this is KPMG and there are a host of others

https://home.kpmg/ng/en/home/about/people/diversity-and-culture.html

If you learn to read do a proper research you'll know this. But baba ijebu wont let you be great. Broaden your horizon.

LoL in your mind. And how typical of you to say this. I even thought you were a homosexual to suggest it. When someone bruises your stupid misogynist ego you assume it is a woman you are dealing with. Multiple Shames on You!

Just apply for wife position so the OP can consider u and stop pouring saliva on my mentions

Romangalactic:
Took you a while to finish browsing NBS. And still at the end, you still didn't understand what living effing comfortably means. Perhaps being able to eat food and pay rent of 200/300k a year is what living comfortably reach for you, not my fault. As u don't know the population of females in nigeria for you to claim that many work in multinationals, still not my fault.

Just apply for wife position so the OP can consider u and stop pouring saliva on my mentions.

It is what intelligent people do. They read to understand. Not going to baba ijebu to collect numbers and juxtapose them on stupid generalizations.
Your reply dropped my IQ a bit.
You by your baba ijebu self came up with NBS poverty level statistics as basis for your unintelligent and now infamous "8 out of 10". Oh you can use it as yardstick to measure females "gold digging for NORTH American husband" but a bad yardstick for Men. You are the S.I unit of confused.
As for the claim that many women are gainfully employed. I dont know what hole you've been in but It is glaring, public offices, sensitive positions they are there. I dont need to remind you how most organisations now enforce diversity and inclusion especially in employment. So for every 6 men employed, at least 4 women are taken too. Something baba ijebu wouldn't let you know.

No I dont need a baba ijebu quantitative researcher like you to conjure fake numbers.

Just apply for wife position so the OP can consider u and stop pouring saliva on my mentions.

And no, I am not the one confused about marriage and ladies "penchant for feigning love to north american husband". It is mirror guy and you clearly. You should be his spouse.

Romangalactic:
NBS agrees with me. Go and argue with them about their nearsighted poverty statistics in nigeria. Generalizations are always formed from majority, full stop!

I already told the guy to follow unnerve's suggestion,that was actually the only thing I read from someone also in diaspora. The rest of you are simply filling the thread up with your emotions.

Mr NBS statistics. Sorry NBS hasnt carried out such jobless baba ijebu statistic of "8 out of 10 girls will fall for abroad based man" and men wouldn't (reversed)

However, sensible statistics that has been carried out as I've seen in NBS is for example unemployment statistics by gender and that was last done 2018 third quarter.
That also piqued my interest considering someone likely and I hope as educated as yourself can call this Lies?

Many ladies in Nigeria are gainfully employed in multinationals, living effing comfortably. LIES

[url]https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/elibrary?queries[search]=unemployment[/url]

As per females 26% unemployed while 25.9% under-employed. You cant tell a dullard the remaining 48% wont or cant be living comfortably. And that itself is a substantial amount for mirror guy to find skilled set to trade off.

Let me again quickly employ your baba ijebu expert mode of statistics. You are likening unemployment and poverty rate of females as sole reason for your baba ijebu "8 out of 10 will fall face flat". So in what order should baba ijebu rate men who have unemployment rate of 20.3% and 15.4 under-employment? "7 out of 10"? Let's make it 11 out of 10. You know how Nigerian Men are master deceptors

Does this make sense to you? How does it relate? Even both gainfully employed members of both sexes would still fancy an abroad based spouse.
Oga NBS has no time for such jobless statistic.
Petition baba ijebu to carry one out for you.

cooooooks:
Even if you marry someone from Nigeria direct, they will still divorce if they want to.


Canada for example has provisions for victims of abuse who want to divorce. They get PR sharp sharp.

I was only discussing the options he provided and weighing all sides. So in lieu off all you just said maybe mirror guy should not just marry.

Romangalactic:
I'm not interested in all this story. I only quoted you to tell you that Nigerian girls falling face down for abroad guys is not a stereotype. It is a fact. Look around you and stop existing on alternate made-up internet reality

Many ladies in Nigeria are gainfully employed in multinationals, living effing comfortably. LIES

You're preaching about having an open mindset as if you don't know how generalizations work. That 8 out of 10 girls will fall face down, is enough to form a valid opinion and no realistic person will want to gamble on the minority without having suspicions

Youve said so many things without any tangible construct toward solving his issue. Every generalization he has made or is making is impeding him from solving the problem. I dont generalize subjects because I haven't carried out quantitative analysis of the 8 of 10 that you speak of. If you have, give us real statistical data and stop calling numbers like we are playing baba ijebu. Let me even play baba ijebu like you, if 8 out of 10 girls will fall face down, I'm sure 9 out 10 guys will fall face flat at having an abroad based girlfriend. And will also feign love and attitude likewise. So it cuts through both sexes.

And I think you may be near sighted if you think there aren't substantial gainfully employed and comfortable ladies in Nigeria. Please when you have an idea that mirror guy can key into so he can find iyawo, say it so that we can discuss instead of carrying out bedroom research and generalizations.

Romangalactic:
This is not a stereotype, 8 out of 10 times it is true. The remaining 2 women who won't fall face down, have wealthy parents and are not excited by the idea of an abroad based guy.

Another man missing the point. So when you finally meet this remaining two, wont your current fixed mindset also judge them as that - only being interested in his North America?

Having an open mindset is the best thing you can gift yourself. Besides what is bad in a lady wanting to be engaged with someone abroad? Even boboz will be ecstatic at this prospect.

If you read my posts, I spoke about mirror guy making TRADE OFFs because he cant have it all.

A. So yes he feels if he marries some Nigerian girl he is going to offer her North America (good trade)
Now look for what she is also good at and going to offer him and the marriage. Many ladies in Nigeria are gainfully employed in multi-nationals, single, industrious and living effing comfortably. At the same time they'll still fancy the option of relocating. Appreciate the fact that in difficult Nigeria she is doing well, consider how elevating her to your North America will benefit you and the marriage. As for attitude, as a sound young man and "christian" that you claim, at some point you will always know if someone's attitude is off - by discussing various diverse topics and situations.
So tell me how will he give those remaining two a chance when he already has a fixed mindset?

B. Marry someone in North America that dont care about where you are. He is considering this option and this option eliminates his fear of Nigerian girls feigning love because of his "being in North America"
But NO, he wont because they are feminists and not under 26. Worst of all they like divorce.
So again why dont you make a TRADE OFF by accepting and appreciating the profits of equality in gender, marriage and household duties. Some men would jump at this. AGAIN, if you truly uphold respect and equality in marriage, why would you be afraid of her divorcing you if arent bent on frustrating her like you may or would have with no repercussion if yall were in Nigeria?

My Brother, you cant cut your cake and have it. This is marriage, you must make trade offs.

Ariza:
You are beginning to sound like you are some kind of blessing to women folk because you dey obodo oyinbo. . Truth is No one cares if you marry or you not getting married. To even start with you called everyone's attention to you meaning no body knows some 32 Nairaland Negro living in North America. Why not just get the words of advice you seek and stop feeling like some God damned "cold" cake!
Abi ewoni iranu gan?

Nevertheless, he is still our egbon in North America. So we'll still advise him. Because we want the best for him.

GuyInTheMirror:
Okay so let me clarify because I was silent about some things you have started to assume.
I decided to be silent on some things so that I will not deflect attention from the main issue.
I am not here to discuss why I did not date/marry before travelling, thats not the purpose for this thread so it will be nice if you stop assuming .

The bolded is true and I say this out of 2 or 3 experiences that I have had. You have to also consider that many people have alluded to this as well, this isnt so much of a complicated thing though as it is pretty obvious by default most ladies in Naija will want to date/marry someone abroad so can you stop arguing this part .

Cheers

Why would I argue something that isnt resourceful to me. You didnt come here to ask for a wife and so far nobody has suggested finding one for you. Na discuss we dey discuss options wey you give us.

You are the one who came here without assistance suggesting three options and we are only helping you dissect "your suggestions"; One of which is dating Nigerian girls online. Yet you're entirely biased about it - so why suggest it in the first instance.

I have not assumed anything about your previous life choices. Well maybe one, that probably, the issue lies with you. And that is evident if you are going to keep being biased about same suggestions you are bringing up for us to discuss.
Like I said, be open minded. Good luck!

GuyInTheMirror:
The bolded is actually true, thats not just a stereotype. I did not say all, I said most and everyone on the thread has acknowledged that. You are the only one disputing that fact so you may want to re-edit that part.
For the rest of your post, mmmnnn y ou did not address the issue you were only making comments about the past which I will choose to ignore so as not to digress.

Nigerian men get entirely everything but the point.
The rest of the post suggests that maybe the entire problem lyes with you. You described all these wonderful things about yourself but could not get someone while you were in Nigeria.

You say you are trying online dating with Nigerian girls in Nigeria but are sceptical because once they know you are in North America, you feel you cant trust their feelings for you. Already you've subconsciously blocked that option by thinking whatever lady you communicate with is only interested in where you are. On the other hand and at the same time you arent comfortable trying someone in North America that knows you are also in North America because they either are a closet feminist and (or) see divorce as something normal. This is you countering all your possible options. And we know that other option about coming to Nigeria to find wife as a regular guy is just old Nollywood film.

You cant cut your cake and have it. You are going to have to make trade offs.

If for 32 years in Nigeria you never saw a "below 26 year old "who complemented this your personality. Then there was something wrong.

If 32 Nigerian years of your non-drinking, smoking and womanizing, you didnt have a lady who noticed this and and was endeared to you. Then there is something amis.

If for 32 Nigerian years of your being a "church-boy" didnt attract a Nigerian "church girl" My brother, something was definitely off.

Dont bother coming to Nigeria to lay-low like a regular guy to find a wife. What wife are you looking for that you didnt see in this same 32 years when you were a "natural regular guy"?

And for you stereotyping by suggesting that most Nigerian ladies would fall face down because your home is now North America is an all time low. This is possibly what is subconsciously not allowing you give any of the Nigerian ladies in Nigeria a chance. So that mirror you were looking at while creating your username, look deeply into it, see the problem. Attack the problem.

And also stay calm. There are ladies with typically good - wife attributes around you. You are in a diverse environment now so be open minded. That's what you wanted. Except you are in dire need of a Nigerian woman and in that case refer to the 5th paragraph.

Excited for you. I hope all you have seen helps you in passing simple logical examination questions. Meanwhile if you dont have a contribution to this topic that I can counter or agree with, good luck in passing your exams.

coronavirus19:
Wow, I see the reason why y'all fail simple logical examination questions

Gerrard59:
I recall last year's quarrel South Korea had with Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Japan%E2%80%93South_Korea_trade_dispute It deteriorated so badly which made China & the US to wade in settling the issue. Tourists from Korea to Japan reduced, they boycotted Japanese companies' products (Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Muji Holdings, Fast Retailing, Korean Air cancelled travels for routes in both countries etc.) and their bottomline got affected, economic growth of both countries receded, stock markets plummeted etc. Business leaders from the United States wrote to both countries pleading with them to reconcile because of their importance in global chip/electronics/chemicals' production value chain. You think it is because those US' executives love Koreans and Japanese that made them write letters? Or you think Koreans and Japanese love themselves? They don't but the least they do is respect as both countries (esp Japan) know the consequences for any form of disrespect. This boycott never happened at this level when Korea was poor while Japan almost eclipsed the US to be the world's largest economy 30 years ago. But it started getting serious when Korea(ns) became rich and had the eleventh largest economy in the world

Aha! I realise you have an exceptional penchant for making false analogies!! Since you are good at dropping links without understanding them, DID you read that JAPAN ANNEXED ( annexation, or the transfer of political sovereignty over a chunk of land to a new state) Korea turning it into a colony?
Till their rule of Korea ended in 1945 after the ww2 loss? Did you also read that at the centre of this allegation that you are calling "quarrel" is about Japanese occupation of the Korean peninsula from 1910 to 1945 (war), particularly the use of forced labour.
And it being a period of war, anything and human rights are bound to be violated? Likewise Austrian hungary annexation, France Tahiti annexation, Portuguese Indian annexation etc.
FFS where in that article did you read that the events was as a result of racism? Or you now regard annexation as racism? Because at this stage there is no postulation we have not heard from you.
It is entirely a countries decision to sue its colonial masters for damage and exploitation of resources.
OGA GERRARD NO WHERE IN THIS STORY HAVE WE SEEN A CASE OF ANTI KOREAN RACISM in Japan. For one they are both Asians!

Gerrard59:
wager that if the vast majority of Sub-Saharan countries are as rich as South Korean and Malaysia combined, we can demand for reparations from every country that enslaved black people in whatever form and we would get paid. With wealth comes power and with power, you can talk when others are talking. Japan spoke 1, South Korea retorted loudly with 2 and everyone got affected. The black race should be rich to reduce racial discrimination and that can only happen when the dominant environment (SSA) is rich.

Oga you dont need to be Rich as a country who has suffered being under colonial rule to demand reparation!
The first treaty in 1965 had Japan out of post war and "mutual respect" provide more than $800m (£620m) in Japanese financial help to Korea.
AND DO NOT BE DECIEVED THIS PERIOD (1965) WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE KOREAN WARS AND SOUTH KOREA WAS ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES WITH A GDP PER CAPITA OF 79$. IT WASNT UNTIL INDUSTRIALIZATION IN THE 80S THAT S.KOREA ECONOMY GAINED TRACTION.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Korea

Facts from history Boss not what I now term "Gerrard theories"

Again you said

Gerrard59:
I never suggested AAs should develop Africa (that is the responsibility of Africans).

But all along you said in page 1

Gerrard59:
If the discrimination gets too tough for a particular race, what do they do? They relocate to their dominant environment. White South Africans are doing same, Chinese Malaysians did same by relocating to Singapore, Brazilians of Japanese ancestry relocated to Japan. Question is: how many African Americans, blacks in Brazil, Britain and other places where they face discrimination can relocate to Sub-Saharan Africa?

And I also asked in page 2 for you to give links with dates in history where there were mass relocations from America by Asians or Asian Americans back to Asia for its development due to Anti-Asian Racism as you didnt reply it seems either it is another "Gerrard theory" or that my particular post did not submit

When you can tell me when this silly idea of "mass relocation to a country or areas of racial dominance for development" has resolved Racism in history or examples of how wealth saved an already prejudiced people or race from racial provocations - Wealth and richness didnt save the Jews anti-semitism in America, it didnt save Armenians in Ottoman Empire. It didnt help the 1800 - 1900s Anti-Asian Racism in America. Then, when you can, we'll consider your points as a solution. Till then - they remain "Gerrard theories"

Again, and I wont be tired of saying this. A Race's or continent's richness has nothing to do with Racism. Poverty is no justification for it and poverty has never been a cause of Racism.
Africans can and should develop their continent if they wish.
AAs have a different and unrelated Anti-Black racism struggle, they have already contributed to development of their continent and country. They dont need your help, you do your own.

Juliusdaughter:
he is the only guy that I have been with that knows how to say he is sorry

LoL

Shattuck:
I am not just talking about African Americans in America but also about other blacks like the Africans who were discriminated in China recently,I get the fact that the African American struggle in America is different from other discrimination blacks face,but we if we as a continent grow to become developed I believe it will provide a positive collective image

Did you read the original article and how he cited the most recent racial abuses of AAs in America in first few paragraphs? Advise the Boss Gerrard to re-dissect his opinions and create seperate threads accordingly for what Africans face abroad and what AAs face in America. That is if you speak for him.

I cant comment on incidences regarding sufferings of Nigerians in China, Italy or indonesia for example because I dont have the facts or truth. Maybe in those cases, his "development of Africa and "RICHNESS" of Africans race" might be a solution.

But telling AAs who have God knows how many mixed Asian, European, American, Jamaican and African Genes in their geneology but just because their skins end up being and looking black to return to develop Africa to remedy Anti-Black Racism is absurd. People whose fore generation have owned properties and businesses for generations and generations in America who fought and died for Black American rights on American soil to return to Africa? My brother think again.

Shattuck:
I get your point but people hate for different reasons some just by the colour of your skin others based on other factors,I think building a developed continent will go a long way in reducing discrimination against blacks,yes it may not completely eradicate racism but it will greatly improve our image and we get a developed society which is a win win.

When and where have people been shown extreme Racism because their race / people is generally poor? As in the case of Africans that you speak of. I know of religion, I know skin color, taking up all the jobs etc as reason but poverty? Provide a link I'll love to be educated.

Building a developed African continent is primarily Africans in Africa's business and how doing so will command respect for them, and it is a welcome idea.

But it has no relation whatsoever to the struggles and the Anti-Black Racism AAs in the united states undergo. They have contributed equally to the development of America as a country and continent as any other race in the United States has and so they must reap.

Shattuck:
I believe the op countered your argument when he said that for blacks to gain respect a minority of the population need to rise above poverty, he also made reference to Botswana having a better economic stats to Brazil,but Brazil gets more respect in the global community.

African American poverty rate is 20% while Native Americans have 25.4% with Hispanics at 17.6%
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

Yet we see Native Americans enjoying peace with the police and dont end up being treated with contempt unlike AAs.
Can you provide me one single case of Racism where wealth exacerbated it.
The Jews have always been hardworking and wealthy yet endured anti semitism (racism) even in America.And no holocaust denials as 96% of Americans are aware of the facts of the Holocaust. Yet Antisemitism abound. How did the wealth help?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States

Armenians had lived in Turkey and achieved status and wealth in the Ottoman Empire, as a community but they were never accorded more than "second-class citizen".
By 1915 over 2 million were massacred in the Armenian genocide.
Again I ask, how did their wealth save them?

Please point me to any repository and instance where the wealth of a people's race or ethnicity saved them from already established Racism.
European Americans have also experienced racism is America. Has Europe ever been poor?

Racism is pure hate. No matter how rich you are, you are not wanted. You are to be prejudiced. Never to be seen as "entirely equal" That is what AAs face.
Discuss the importance of development of Africa but dont suggest it as a panacea for Anti - Black Racism in America.

Gerrard59:
You made excellent points but judging from how the Chinese are retaliating and how there is or seems to be respect for other races compared to blacks across the world (I am concerned with the outlook across the world), I believe we need to be rich and this will be achieved when the dominant environment is rich. I see it (being rich) as the only way to gain respect as humans respect those who are powerful (wealth begets power). Using the Igbo case study, they were almost obliterated from the face of the earth but they embraced and practiced extreme capitalism. As a result, they are respected not necessarily liked. I believe the best way to shut someone and shame them for their actions is by calling the person's bluff. Unfortunately, a poor person cannot do this as there is no power.

I honestly kept my fingers from typing a reply but since you mentioned me, why not? How and what are the Chinese retaliating? Historic Anti -Asian Racism they suffered? Even when Huawei was accused of spying Americans with the sanctions we didnt hear of cases of Anti-Asian racism in America well until Covid's advent.

Let's even assume this warped idea of Africa being rich will solve AA racism in America, in the long run everybody cannot be rich so someone else or continent will be poor - should we then accept Anti-whatever continent racism? when that happens? Does that show logic or solution?.
You keep making unfounded examples - The igbos. How did they suffer racism or tribalism (asides the recent python dances)They wanted out, they had their fair and equal share in war (civil) and lost. What is your point really? That they are respected now because they are mostly into business and have money? How are they living now different from how they lived pre civil war. The igbos were still rich and respected even pre civil war.
Boss please dont digress unnecessarily by citing irrelevant examples.

Gerrard59:
As a black person, I feel pain when I see racial discrimination and hatred against our people anywhere in the world, however, we cannot fight back as we have no power and this is because we are poor. Unfortunately, there has been no economic growth in two of the biggest black dominated countries and the train seems to be leaving us as after this pandemic, everyone go retreat from globalisation and answer their fathers' names. Going forward, countries or I dare say races will become very nationalistic and selfish. It is time we start trading and doing things amongst ourselves to spur economic growth. There just has to be a concerted effort somehow as we now have two mammoths besides us (China/other Asians and the West)

I have asked and keep asking for facts, dates and links when you claimed that that other nationals (especially Asians) left America en masse to develop their continent when they faced Anti-Asian Racism in 1800 to pre ww2 You haven't provided but yet you throw your weight behind "your postulation" that is for Anti-Black Racism to end, AAs to must migrate back to Africa or the one about African race needing to become rich.

Boss, History, not your theories remains our teacher. When Chinese and Jap immigrants in America suffered Anti-Asian Racism in America, Asian was doing fine economically. China was still a major supplier of Silver to America and tea to Briton during the old china trade in 1700s. And even exporting porcelain to the rest of the world. In fact the US had a hefty trade deal with China. Will you call that a poor economy or continent?
Or you think Japan who was the first non western great power with textile and mining industries were doing badly?
Why else was there still Anti-Asian Racism in America in those years ?
Now I put my argument to you giving you examples in history where RACISM abound despite economic, continental and RACE "RICHNESS" of the targets.
Where did you get your theories from?

Gerrard59:
Regarding AAs relocating to Africa, that is very possible as modern genetics can aid in the process of knowing one's origins. Also, with a rich Africa, one can alternatively choose any country of choice and live there. An instance is this AA family relocating to Botswana: https://www.aainafrica.com/blog/paula-in-botswana
(a program explaining why some AAs are moving in droves to Africa)

You now bring an example of one family who we have no history of that relocated to Botswana to invest and start a business - you think its everyone who has business acumen? People depend and will forever work for people.
How many people in Nigeria (if you are here) have you even convinced to start a business but you want all AAs in America to quickly key into the AAs that went to Botswana

As for the youtube video, I hope you know that lady Kaylan Reid Shipanga is barely even a first generation African American, she has African parents (Kwame and Efua Atta) typical Ghanaian people who even ran a business in Ghana and had been to Africa numerous times in her childhood with her Parents.
You compare her to deep rooted ethnic African Americans? Talmbout your modern genetics. Lol.

Boss! The solution to Anti-Black Racism in America is and would never be the RICHNESS OF BLACK RACE or development of Africa. They are two different problems with no connect. Give more points. History does not agree!

llakes4real:
Okay
So what do you think African Americans should do?

I dont have all the answers but the same thing they did for emancipation of slavery, voting rights, marriage discrimination, neighbourhood/ public space segregation and other absurdities on the jim crow lists, civil rights act, owning homes, properties, businesses and getting loans, educating themselves enough to defend innocently incarcerated black folk. And to even becoming a president. They should not relent in fighting to getting themselves heard.
Their fore fathers have fought and contributed equally In putting their country where it is. They cant coward out.

Thank you Llakes and Boss Gerrard for this thread. It has been insightful.

llakes4real:
Whether AA, or Africa, or any other A, we are all Negroid (Black) race!

The migration of white South African is not country specific, but where they know they are a majority (aka a country that welcomes them). Musk was not an American before he migrated their to a name for himself. The same thing another black American would do if they have that option.

Africans in Africa are not the recipients of Anti black racism. Its African Americans in America. So if you happen to be an African schooling or what not in the US and unfortunately experience racism and cant stomach it, they can heed to you and Boss's advise to return to Africa and develop it as a solution. Musk is Canadian by birth. And i gave that analogy to buttress that most whites in SA know what genealogy they belong to.The hell I care where white South Africans go to? What racial abuse and stigma have white South Africans suffered compared to African Americans in America? They are already white plus have additional (known) citizenship from their parents. How will immigration to any other developed (and you know it will have to be developed) country be hard for them.

llakes4real:
Why must AA look for the exact country they originated from? Any African country that is financially capable of accommodating them would do just fine! During the first influx of slave trade returnees there were so many Yoruba people that were shipped to countries like Ghana and sierra leone, and are still there today!.

Again I ask why should people leave a country where their fore fathers have contributed to fight/ fought to end slavery, civil war, ww2, black segregation in schools, public spaces, seperate but equal, segregation in sports. Civil rights act? You are joking.
Secondly, in terms of immigration. The one we learnt in Social Studies, do people generally leave a more stable, economic and viable land for a lesser and less secure one?
If this is your remedy why didnt the Asians mass migrate from the US in the peak of the Anti-Asian Racism? Also in 1800s till early 1900s. If this is a solution why didnt they consider doing it. These periods are even later than when african slave migrations to the US began.

llakes4real:
I agree with you racism had no bound, but "people dey look face before dem do am." There was a time the Italians look down on Chinese because of their economic standing. But today (before Covid19 o!) they are scared of the way the Chinese are taking over their traditional institutions like coffee shops. They have come to respect them for industrious nature and their wealth. Rather they all channeled that hate on us, because it is very easy for them to do. How many Americans would look down on a Japanese as against a Nigerian?

I also agree that we must all migrate for greener pastures, but how you are treated in the place you migrated to depends mainly on the status of your home country!

I will still say the same thing again. Racism has been existent in the United States for centuries. Races who suffered same fate were not from countries or continents in economic turmoil. But yet were killed, treated with disdain and ostracized.That should tell you a lot about your postulations and theory. Racism has nothing to do with how under-developed a continent is.

wdacharley:
You are not making any sense bro

I was hoping you can make some bro.

llakes4real:
The whites didn't teach us slave trade! It was already established before the came to buy the slaves. The major market for slaves back then were the Arabs. And some intra-africa trades which used the slaves to fight their wars.

You don't understand Gerrard59's point! Our race is always on the defensive when these events happen, because we are poor! Imagine if Africa was a rich continent and the blacks all over the world know they have another home, they wouldn't take all the shit they get from other places. All they need to do is relocate!

Whites in South Africa are relocating from the country because they know they have other options. No sane, Africa American would do that. How would rather protest and manage the condition he has found himself, because he knows his condition there is way better that what is obtainable in "your home".

Respect is earned! And Africa's success would go a long way to improve the respect other people have for us.

Sir. Who started, bought, came back to patronize and continued patronizing is inconsequential as it wasnt a "black man" but caucasians (and I mean, Portuguese, south american, whatever) - I dont even want to get into that history.

And for your second paragraph, when you say race, you mean AA? Or Africans? AAs are the ones suffering and fighting against Anti-Black racism in America.
And please dont compare a white South african's genealogy in South Africa to African American's gyneology as its as it's a lot easier to trace the former than latter. For example Elon musk was born of a South African father and Canadian mom or Charlize Theron whose mom was German and South African.
Most of these AAs generation after generation of slave trade only know America as home so how or who is being defensive when anti-black American racism comes up? - you may need to explain. Where do you want them to go?

They should leave a country where their fore fathers have contributed to fight/ fought to end slavery, civil war, ww2, black segregation in schools, public spaces, seperate but equal, segregation in sports. Civil rights act? You are joking.

Do not use a continent or race's economic disposition as cause of racism. It is absurd. Even when the Chinese were migrating to the US in the 1800s, the Qings dynasty (1644-1912) wasnt doing bad economically and were doing well agricultural and even reducing tax burden and improving military(also in wikipedia) . So why then was there multiple chinese massacres and Asian racism in America. Even the Japanese who also suffered this were not under-developed - people who had fed well enough to want to fight the US and evade a whole France. Yet their japanese american immigrants faced the same anti-asian racism in America.

Immigration is compulsory, no matter how flourishing your country's economy is. People must emigrate for better living.

My brother. Racism has no genuine reason just effects.

Gerrard59:
This happens because the vast majority of black people especially those in the dominant environment of black people - Africa - are poor. Same discrimination you mention happened to the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans and all other groups. They became rich as a race not as various individuals and today, no one dares disrespects them. If the discrimination gets too tough for a particular race, what do they do? They relocate to their dominant environment. White South Africans are doing same, Chinese Malaysians did same by relocating to Singapore, Brazilians of Japanese ancestry relocated to Japan. Question is: how many African Americans, blacks in Brazil, Britain and other places where they face discrimination can relocate to Sub-Saharan Africa? Very few because they are better off economically in those places compared to their dominant environment.

Boss please give dates, links and facts when you refer to Japanese, Asians and the likes relocating from America to they respective countries due to anti-asian racism.

Even in the height of American cruelty towards "japs" following pearl harbour there were no documentation or record of Japanese relocating the USA back to Japan. And trust me Japanese had been entering the US in droves since 1909 for menial jobs when immigration didn't support the Chinese.

Not even the Naturalization Act of 1790 that made Asians ineligible for citizenship made them mass relocate to their continent. Definitely not the US anti chinese legislations in 1879. Not even the Several massacres of Chinese people, including the Rock Springs massacre of 1885 and the Hells Canyon massacre of 1887 made them leave the US though these further exemplified deep American racist animus against Chinese people.

What even brought them close (China and US) was their aiding the Amercans during WW2 thus re-enabling Asian immigration to the country.

Baba please give facts, links and date of these mass relocations in the face of actual "black lives matter" kind of racism that you speak of.

Please read these stuff it's all here, I didnt write it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

I repeat, Africa's under-development, wealth, social status has nothing to do with anti-black racism that AAs face in America. I understand that you anxiously need to draw a connection. But there is none!
The world needs to mutually respect each other. Not putting the lives of AAs on the line of Africa's under development.

Discuss africa's under-development in another thread. But leave it out of discussing Anti-Black Racism. For 400 years the only business Africans learnt was selling ourselves, an initiative that was sold to us by them. Add the additional years they spent in colonizing and mismanaging us. Boss just Please!