₦airaland Forum

okuyelu:
Please correct me if I am wrong but is nairaland for just nigerians living in Nigeria? Why can't we be objective and stop all this malicious comments, some of these comments are so pathetic!!!
If you think it's easy to be a pastor then start a church, its a free world my people, the problem is not the church, pastor or God, 'tis the fact that we are always ready to push our failures on someone else,

exactly what mr. daddy GO does- everything wrong with 9ja na d devil, it has nothing to do with his thieving friends, OBJ, Erastus, Cecilia, Daniel etc.
so tell Adeboye if u see him in Texas to stop deceiving people and let us work hard, learn to hold ourselves responsible for our successes/failures and hold our leaders accountable rather than claiming God or devil is responsible.

bidemi12

He asked for it now? when you decide to enter politics you are fair game. Honest or not you must subject yourself to public scrutiny and pray you come out unscathed. Good luck to him.

thank u for the bold part which must apply to all public figures in all sectors of life- matching/comparing also what they said in the past with what they are doing now. BUT rather than pray he should make sure he is super clean so when his opponents and the public start scrutinising him they will find nothing tangible to chew on.

opsydudu:
well for all of you that have condemn any act of paying tithes, offering, seed sowing and the pastors. I pray that God forgives all of una, at least people are not paying by force but out of their stupidness while it work for some, it doesn't for the rest. Well we leave that to God to judge when the time comes, as for now keep your eyes wide open and think with your brain, that should not give any reason to condemn Christianity and their offering. You give solely to God and leave the rest for men to carry out their selfish intentions.

Do you know God's address or bank account details to do what u have advised above
Before you respond please read Christ's conversation with the woman of Samaria by the well in John 4 contained in the link below to an online Bible:

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=john+4&ver=kjv

Bugi:
@project: lagerwhenindoubt has made a good submission on the issue! I always like to invoke the words of Professor Nnolim: "Just tidy up your own little corner". And as someone rightly said avoid situations where you have to pay a bribe. Finders fees, commissions, don't come under the table, you get it as a right, declare it as an income and pay the stipulated TAX! The journey is a long and tedious one and we must be prepared to make the sacrifice for a better Nigeria.

May God bless you for the above.
Let others continue whining like babies about bad leaders when we only get the leaders we deserve.
We can all decide and act to reduce the rot in our society, one step at a time to avoid the doom that hangs over us all.

desthan:
my broda you are not far from the truth jare, as if all these peeps claiming to fight corruption here wouldn't have done same if the opportunity avails itself

By God's grace I don't need to and I avoid situations that may put me in such embarassing situation that does not glorify God.
Meanwhile, do we continue and wait for a Jerry Rawlings type to come and[b] kill our relations, friends and friends' relations[/b].
or do we do little things now to stop the rot

KunleOshob:
@anonimi
How are you? You've been missing on the forum for a while hope all is well with you and yours. Just to let you know that the battle against the false doctrine of tithes is being sustained on the forum and as reached a new high as more and more people are coming to the knowledge of truth about this greedy, oppressive man made doctrine.

thanks kunle, i have been very busy at my job, which is a promotion with more responsibilities. Glory be to God for His blessings that are not conditioned on sowing into some scammer pastor's thieving life.

bidemi12:
@kunleoshob Hey, anonimi wannabe. I hope you will bring logic to the table and not wild, incoherent jabs to this debate? wait a minute? what am i saying? aethist's arent normal, damn.

sorry, sister u miss the point. Kunle started the thread on the truth about tithes and it biblically confirmed what I suspected was wrong with the wolves in sheep's clothing claiming to represent God to their gullible followers.
I hope u will dig into your bible and get holy spirit inspired knowledge so you are not misled by the charlatans who exploit people from the altar.

i bin talk am sey soludo na chameleon and slippery snake who just dey show im true corruption colours fully now, see:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-332857.0.html

i sorry for the anambra people who might think they have seen a messiah

mikeansy:
the boy was made interim PDP chairman in Anambra for a while, I think he made money from there

I don't think he has enough money yet to run for Governor, just think he is trying to get someone to negotiate him out of the race.

and u wonder why the vast majority of anambra (and nigerians) wallow in poverty while the big men (including Obi of Onitsha) run risks of kidnapping. Their kids that they send overseas to escape kidnapping will someday return to the mess they are creating now.
if u know the boy u may wish to let him know of teh far reaching consequencies of his actions

PROJECT:
read the story of elijah and the widow in the time of famine,read the story of jesus na dloaves of bread and fishes,and u will know the principles of giving and receiving,some of u just come out and talk anyhow.there are fakes in evry profession now that dont mean that all pastors are fake,

elijah directed his prophecy and request to just one widow who could verify later whether he was real or fake by the reults accomplished.
the pharisees fake 9ja pastors promise miracles to 10s, 100s, 1000s etc knowing at least one mugu will come and report that God was good and gave him a breakthrough (a position to steal/chop/inflate contracts etc) that has nothing to do with Christ's life and teachings Not minding that his breakthrough creates conditions for millions to continue wallowing in poverty without infrastructures, including hospitals to test bogus healing miracles, thus making the pastor's flock even grow more.
Vicious cycle of poverty and religion like in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia and Europe of the Dark Ages (when church was state/government.

dinggle:
@Banom,

Thank God for you, I have seen someone who reasons like me. I have also said it, If I had my way I would convert to Islam. Christianity in Nigeria is a complete shame. This is one of the reason why the north wants to islamitise Nigeria. Deceit, con, Sex!!! Chei, that is why we are suffering, that is why it seem God has left Nigeria to the devil since we choose that path. There isnt any pastor that is clean in Nigeria. from the adeboyes to the pastor chrises all of dem na bad criminals, even James Ibori is better cos he came straight as the devil. There is nothing as bad as a devil pretending to be an angel.

so what are you waiting for
why u neva convert till now- abi u dey fear Boko Haram
u really don't know what u are talking about- what do u know about both religions?

agabaI23:
Investigation started since May, so probably, the crime was already committed before he was appointed the gov. More like my own Soludo will have to answer this question.

no wonder soludo could not take necessary action to stop his sharp-suited banker friends from also fleecing their shareholders and customers. he had his won hands in the pot elsewhere- original chop-i-chop arrangement no wonder he is in PDP.
surely the source of his campaign finance is being revealed little by little. what a way to transform anambra into dubai- by stealing it to the bones with bogus contracts.

bidemi12:
@Sandee575 To you it is stupid, to me it is a rule laid out in the bible which has guided me to this day and made me very very successful. Obviously you are of low esteem and intellect otherwise i would share my knowledge on karma and natural laws with you. But alas i fear that my time and knowledge would be wasted. Please wallow in ignorance.

can u share with us the Bible parts where Christ made seed sowing to Him (Jesus Christ) as a pre-requisite for being successful (i guess u mean prosperous-right?).
I imagine u are a Christian i.e. Christ-like!

sowing a seed is just the new pastoral scam since most of them realise that they cannot biblically sustain the tithe scam anymore.
just sow a seed in the pastor's life God's representative to you) and you are saved (from prosecution for stealing the money from your society/government/company/employer) as you receive your breakthrough(appointment to a position where you can steal even more to the detriment of yourself and your society at large) and you give testimony of God's goodness

Abuzola:
Grrrg thank God the truth is coming out daily, why not come to Islam, enough of your pastor stealings from tithe to offerring

do u actually mean what u said above
those thieving imams or who

Anytime you are a victim or know of a victim of armed robbery, kidnapping, death by generator fumes, accident due to pothole riddled road/no street light etc just think about those who received these bribes and so deprived us of infrastuctures that could have been built. Also think of your ex-classmates who will be jobless for ever as factories close in 9ja for Ghana where there is less corruption and public utilities work.
meanwhile Soludo dey talk sey im wan make Anambra into Dubai and the suckers believe him.

[quote author=al-qaeda link=topic=332424.msg4663989#msg4663989 date=1254652897]the man receiving the lashes is not the same as the one counting. oya start the war on corruption and we shall follow in your footsteps. can you swear you neva received a bribe this week that just passed.[/quote]the guy already started so join if you want by identifying those in your circuit living above their legit income and report them to EFCC, POLICE, INTERPOL, FBI etc.
do your bit and stop complaining about bad leaders only

mikeansy:
Good things are already happening to Anambra people.

Chuma Nzeribe being disqualified is as much a good news as PDP not adopting Andy Ubah as their concensus. Little by little the ugly ones are getting weeded out.

Its also amuzing that Tony Nyoye is running for Governor, only 5 - 6 years ago he was still a student of NAU Awka.
The boy don go far sha.

would you care to tell us how he made so much money in such a short period as he be like sey u sabi am small

Koye4sshow:
We got 6thou years of recorded history, sebi? In 6,000 years, not a single change of any kind has been noticed in any one animal, except for the few changes necessitated by different environments - which die out in successive generations! So what the 'ck? 'ck evolution! 'ck ardi! And if you wanna be down with ardi, 'ck you too!

so imagine those few changes, including new diseases, over many million years.
i find comfort in the expression that a million years is like a day with God, so evolution might be the Long Play version of  creation

banom:
In a bid to revitilise these five unhealthy Banks, Sanusi printed over 400 billion Naira and injected into these banks as a bail out excecise, this action and the process was hailed by some common Nigerians while the elite class frowned upon it, the most annoying thing about the action of Lamido Sanusi is that these Five Banks in just less than two weeks after recieving these huge some, has lost about 40% of it's share value, an amount close to 470billion naira, consequently, it means that the bailout money injected into these five banks by Sanusi has vanished in the air,

i no fit laugh   at the simpleton reasoning of the above bold quote- so na for your under-bridge economics and finance lesson dem teach you sey CBN must print and inject (like syringe ) into the bailed out banks?

biggjoe:
Why wouldnt people like you go and ask him to explain himself. Why not give the man a chance to explain himself.[/b]We havent even seen [b]his manifesto. A simple comment that he made on his declaration ceremony is not enough for you guys to judge him. Why not wait until a comprehensive manifesto from him surfaces.

statements made at declaration ceremony, according to mr. bigjoe do not form part of manifesto and delivereables for which teh contestant should be held accountable
why should he explain himself to an ordianry citizen when even pressmen only go to press conferences to receive news and do not ask probing questions

bidemi12:
@Anonimi I would not go as far as saying he is a thief, we need proof of that. But at the very least he is very incompetent. There is plenty of proof of that.

if you read the next line in my post, i clarified:

ok, im crime na only aiding and abetting, no be so 

for proof, you need to find out the legitimate salary and benefits of a CBN governor and soludo's tax returns versus his assets and expenditure before, during and after his five year tenure starting 2004. let me know what profile emerges.
his case will most probably be like OGD in Ogun who came in as a professional engineer cum businessman to displace highly discredited Osoba. Daniel has since turned out to be great nightmare to even the professionals who rallied round him to be governor. The only difference with soludo is that the writing is already on the wall as to what he will do in anambra given his[b] all-that-glitters-is-not-gold performance in CBN[/b].

bidemi12:
Well said. Like it or not, this loan debacle in the banking sector happened under his watch.

i bin tink sey na only me dey see the man for the common thief that he is.
ok, im crime na only aiding and abetting, no be so
just wondering, where soludo will have the money to finance his campaign - based on his legitimate income as CBN governor for five years plus honorarium for speaking engagements
i hope the Anambra tax people will match his expenditure with his tax returns.

3kay945:
soludo was blind as C.B.N governor to see corrupt banks abi ? now his eyes is wide open for anambra treasure.

he don dey blow dem stori about creating many thousand jobs- indeed he may create jobs of the kidnapping and armed robbery type by youths with no useful employment opportunities as soludo's banker friends are not interested in giving credit and loans to genuine small and medium scale entrepreneurs who create the most jobs.

una don miss the real gist.
the poor man is only obeying his wife-turai's commandment:
thou shalt not die so I, turai may continue stealing 9ja blind while u sleep on duty.
shikena.

banom:
Another fool with unlimited acess to the internet.

will you be kind enough to let us know of your relationship with Soludo and how much you benefitted from his over-friendliness with bankers while they took millions of pensioners, salary earners, entrepreneurs to the cleaners

at least soludo will pay back some of the money he stole (received) from his distressed banker friends to look the other way while they were wrecking the shareholders and other stakeholders.
i hope he fails big time to compensate for the millions of ordinary 9ja people from all corners who were tricked to put up their life savings in these fly-by-night banks- AMEN

OLAADEGBU:
Tithes belong to God and God decides how and who He gives it to.

Did u actually write the above bold part after or before you thought about the bold part of the Deut quote below

OLAADEGBU:
Let us consider the highlighted sentence above according to the Old Testament tithes.

"Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household , . . ." -- Deut.14:22-26

Enjoyment1:
Yes Ibori is a thief, no doubt, but have you removed that shame that you daily hide from your eyes, before looking at that of Ibori.
That is how you all praised El-Rufai , and gave him so many awards, today he has ran away (even with all your awards) and has failed to come and defend N32 billion naira missing under his tenure. It is his own tenure, that a 3 year old child has a land in Abuja . What a fraud. God knows how many that we dont have knowledge about.
I weep for my dear country.

Abeg, na person wey dem catch, na him be thief!.

Exactly- na person wey dem catch be thief. You forgot to add that everything in life na turn-by-turn, even for justice
As Ibori girls dey taste am today na so by God's grace, others go soon taste dem own. You can hasten their turn by reporting them to the law enforcement agents- POLICE, EFCC, NDLEA, INTERPOL etc.

mystikal:
who knows when the next sitting is, I could just make time to go say Hi

this Friday 10 am at the following address:

Southwark Crown Court
1 English Grounds
(off Battlebridge Lane)
Southwark London
England
SE1 2HU

See u there
u can also sms the details to other 9ja people.

ToToChoper:
Though I'm not a fan of Ibori, I am also not casting stones either.

Yes. . , . .we all are aware of James Ibori the petty thief, the credit card fraudster, the grandscale treasury crook, the money launderer, the big time briber, etc., but the truth is. . . . . . show me any perfect politician in Nigeria and I can boldly guarantee you that official is only clean because he/she hasn't been caught.
Is this not the same country ex-gov Lucky Igbenedion was slammed 191-charge counts and was granted bail?

How many paraded the courtroom then?

The mantra of our politics has always been a "favour for a favour" and we know who financed Yaradua's campaign. Therefore, trust our most corruptible figure, devil's advocate and "rule of law" monger Mike Aondoakaa to come to the rescue on this one by diggin into his bag of tricks to seek extradition to Nigeria.

so what do you suggest- fold our hands until someone (NOT you, I, my relations or friends) else takes ALL of them at the SAME time and cleans up
I thought a journey of a thousand miles starts with just one little step
If someone starts with his enemies while in power, the next person will also start with his own enemy and gradually people will appreciate it's better to live clean for everyone's benefit, as oyibos learnt a few centuries ago.

Thank God for the Spanish judicial system.
I hope our judges, doctors and nigerians in general are taking note.
When next a doctor's negligent treatment results in permanent damages including death of a patient then the relations should sue the doctor for serious financial compensation and suspension of licence at least instead of rushing to religious leaders who will tell them na one winch from dem family dey behind.

[quote author=George_D link=topic=325760.msg4575803#msg4575803 date=1253380728]there are thieves from other lands too. lets not introduce race into this.[/quote]thank you very much indeed.
we should try to encourage those we know- relations and friends as well as relations of friends to change their way or else we report them to EFCC, POLICE, NDLEA, INTERPOL, FBI etc.
do your own bit make 9ja for better.

constantk:
Loans are granted on the networth of the borrower - personal guaranttee. Every of the banks have their issues some greater than the other though but issues like this should not be settled on the pages of the news paper.

Give the excos time to recover, and also a civil way of easing them out so that there will be no panic and correspondence banks confidence will not be shaken.

Right now, trade transactions are adversely affected, hope you see my point.

where u dey get your infor sey 9ja bank LCs are being rejected
The CBN governor at the NSE & SEC forum affirmed there was nothing of such. That was how people speculated through newspapers that there will be a run on the banks that has also not happened.
Make una stop all this sensationalisation and address the issues that are making our graduates and youths jobless as WAEC just reported 75% failure in English & Maths.
For 9ja nobody wan work again na to pray and get breakthrough (usually meaning stealing by subtle or overt means)

May God bless the organisers and those who responded and made the call.
A journey of a thousand miles starts with just one little step. I pray that as we start we will continue to find other very creative little, little ways to make life unbearable for these thieves in power- TiPs.

AjaraEwuro:
Liers- Liers - Liers

This is why nigeria is in the bush- is that how others do it? Fu cking shit faces. So the man left the hotel, what is the proof that the so called calls sent him packing?

These nation is full of idiots trying to correct idiots - what a crude method - call and ask for Mr Bla Bla Bla - and he will run out of the hotel- very crude, irresponsible and outright nonsensical and childish.

Oga Ewuro,
I am sure you can share your refined method with us and tell us how many time you have used it as well as the impact.