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Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Gentleme1: 11:53am On Sep 22, 2009 |
From what i have come to see hear,its now believed that "empty cymbals makes the loudest noise", Tonye-T, Bobbyaf, OOLADEGBU, Recognise and their likes appear quiet and matured and when they explain they do so with points Now i read somewhere where Tonye-t said you guys keep bringing back points he has already mentioned in details, and i know one of it has to do with why titheing is piad in monetary terms, yet you guys would not refer back or maybe you are shy and void of points, so i decided to go back and copy and paste his explanations, maybe it will soothe ya-dry souls And to you KunleOshow, believe me, there are some areas you dont bring, i have already said it TIME WILL TELL, i will not answer you on that again, because you may actually be a younger brother. @ Chukwudi44, Mr. Chukwudi44, Answer to your no.1 question is, @ Chukwudi, Jagoon and Mad_max, just read the way tonye-t answers people back, even if for once he is wrong, i would rather choose to still learn from him |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 12:53pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
@Gentleme We have read all the rubbish your predecessors had to say on the false doctrine of tithes and everhting as been thoroughly punctured using biblical scriptures on like pro-tithers who are fond of twisting scripture and forcing their own deluded opinion in to the bible. So there is no pint spamming this thread with all the hubris you just posted. I would give you a glaring exaple of defective reasoning from tonye -t's post. The above highlighted is a very good good example of how fraudsters twist scripture. Where in the bible did it say tithes should be from wages talkless of asking if we receive agricultural produce as wages The glaring truth is that God in his infinite wisdom[despite the fact that people were earning wages then and money was in use] never requested tithes from wages he requested it from produce but it was our greedy gluttons who twisted it to satisfy their greed. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Nobody: 5:01pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
Tithing was not the only source of income for levites under judaism,there were also supposed to partake of the offerings and other gifts presented to the temple. This gifts could be on daily basis and could have been anything,animal,grains,money,e.tc Tithes never involved money and was paid once every 3 years nothing more nothing less |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:56pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
chukwudi44: I decided to reply this post seeing your number of posts has gone up to 419 chukwudi44 Let us consider the highlighted sentence above according to the Old Testament tithes. "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household , . . ." -- Deut.14:22-26 You can see clearly in verses 24-26 that If they lived too far from the tabernacle and cannot carry the tithes so far, that they should sell it and bring the money received and buy what is needed for the feast of the Lord, and rejoice with their household. This shows that tithing of what has been produced could be sold and the money used at the feast, if the giver lived far from the place of worship, this should not be confused with the first tithes that God has given to the Levites. Therefore, the Psalms 41:9 charlatans have no excuse of not paying tithes that belongs only to God. Tithes belong to God and God decides how and who He gives it to. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by anonimi: 6:19pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
OLAADEGBU: Did u actually write the above bold part after or before you thought about the bold part of the Deut quote below OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:36pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
anonimi: After. Watch the videolink above "God's tithing Law!" it sheds more light on it. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by petres007(m): 7:48pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
@OLAADEGBU, thanks for your post. But em, you forgot to explain the part I emboldened below (in red) OLAADEGBU: I think it says the tither should eat his tithe (with his household) and rejoice before the LORD. em, this don't sound like the |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Bobbyaf(m): 8:24pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
@gentle me You seem not to understand that not making mention of tithing doesn't mean it never happened. Jesus already clarified about tithing being the lighter portion of the law, in terms of what is required. Where in the NT is there mentioned that change? Don't you think for one moment that if tithing was seen as a legal burden by Paul or any other of the apostles, that such would have been mentioned specifically and dealt with? You of all persons need to raise as concerns in the RCC the many undue decrees that the pope and prelates have introduced to its members, most of which have not yet been kept. Members are not allowed to use contraceptives while having sexual intercourse is just one stupid burden being placed on civilized people, yet you come on this forum talking about something you have the least knowledge about. Why not do the smart thing and tackle your own church issues before hypocritically addressing others. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Zikkyy(m): 10:03pm On Sep 22, 2009 |
I have gone through this thread at different times and at this point would like to add my thoughts as well. I agree that the act of giving a tenth was practiced before the time of Moses i.e Abrahams giving a tenth from the spoils of war (note that he did not keep the remaining 90% for himself) or Jacob dedicating a tenth of his blessings to God (out of freewill). Tithing was made a compulsory act as part of God’s commandments to the people of Israel (as contained in the Law of Moses). The practice of setting aside a tenth of your Agricultural produce and remitting same to the Levites (or accumulating in the temple’s storeroom for subsequent distribution to the Levites) was in accordance with the Law of Moses. So we can say the practice of tithing by the Israelites after Moses was based on the Law. Tithing as practiced by modern day churches appears to be derived from the requirement of the Law of Moses as well especially when reference to Malachi 3:10 is used to justify the need for Christians to pay tithe. There is no evidence to prove that the early disciples preached tithing. Giving is good (in whatever form) and should be encouraged, but Christians should not be coerced to giving. For me, the practice of tithing should be personal (and from the heart) as i see nothing wrong with one offering a tenth of his earnings to the Church to show appreciation to the Almighty for his goodness. The act of giving by today’s Christians appears to have been commercialized as most givers sees the act as an investment (a return is expected in the form of abundant blessings). This can be attributed to the prosperity preaching by the church. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:13pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
petres_007: What I was trying to bring out there was the fact that tithes could be converted into money. Let me give a panoramic view on the subject of tithes in the Bible. Tithing before the Law of Moses: This was practiced 430 years before the law. Check this out in Gen.14:20; 28:22; Heb.7:1-11. Tithing under the law of Moses: Tithes Commanded in Lev. 27:30; Malachi 3:10; 5 Purposes of tithing under the law of Moses; 1. For Levites (Num.18:21-24); 2. Tithes of tithes for priests (Num.18:26; Neh.10:37; 12:44); 3. Tithes of tithes every 3 years for the poor and the ministers (Deut.14:27-29; 26:12-14); 4. To supply God's house (Mal.3:10); 5. To honour God (Prov.3:9-10). When tithes were brought: yearly, along with all other offerings for the feast (Deut. 12:6-7; 14:22-26). Tithes Belonged to God, not the people who paid them (Lev. 27:30-34; Mal.3:. Where the tithes were to be brought: (2Chron.31:12; Neh.10:38; 12:44; 13:5,12; Mal.3:. If tithes were to be borrowed: 20% interest had to be added when paid (Lev.27:31). If it was exchanged: both the tithes and exchange must be paid (Lev.27:33). To your specific question:There were 3 types of tithes, which were: [list] [li]The first tithes for Levites (Deut. 14:27; Lev.27; Num.18). This was a yearly tithe.[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Second tithe for the individual himself and his household to cover expenses at the national feasts, so there be no excuse for not going (Deut. 14:22-26, 12:11,21). This was also a yearly tithe, though not counted as giving to others.[/li] [/list] [list] [li]The third tithe for the Levites, the strangers, fatherless and widows. It was a special tithe for the poor, a charity tithe to relieve the sufffering of the poor neighbour (Deut.14:28-29). This was to be given every third year, so was not a burden in any degree. God more than made up for it in His blessings of prosperity on the crops and stock of the whole nation. Spread out over a three year period the yearly tax for the poor would amount to 31/3% of the nation's increase. It was not to be taken to the place of worship, as the other two tithes, but distributed locally as needed throughout the three years it covered.[/li] [/list] And to your question of how is then practised today, I will say that Believers can learn from the same passage that tithing is a clear way to demonstrate our priorities, that the Bible makes the purpose of tithing very clear, and this is to put God first in our lives. We are to give God the first and best of what we earn. What we do first with our money shows what we value most. Giving the first part of our wages to God (10%) immediately focuses our attention on Him. It also reminds believers that all we have belongs to Him. A habit of regular tithing can keep God at the top of our priority list and give us a proper perspective on everything else we have. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:25pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
Tithing in the New Testament (for obedient children of the Kingdom of God) Jesus Christ taught it (Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; Compare Matthew 5:20 with Luke 18:11-12; See Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7-8; Mark 12:13-17). Apostle Paul taught it [list] [li]Condemned sacrilege, do you know what sacrilege is? find out. (Rom.2:22), robbing temples (Mal.3:8-10) and using holy things (Lev.27).[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Teachers to be paid (Gal. 6:6)[/li] [/list] [list] [li]God ordained support of ministers (1Cor.9:7-14; 1 Tim. 6:17-18)[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Christians to give as God prospers them (1 Cor.16:2)[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Melchisedec priesthood is eternal and must be supported by children of Abraham (Heb.6:20)[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Children of Abraham in faith must walk in his steps (Rom. 4:12; Heb.7)[/li] [/list] [list] [li]Tithing is the strong evidence of obedience and appreciation of God's blessings (Rom. 4:12; Heb.7:6-10; 1 Cor.9:7-14; 1 Tim. 6:17-18, Compare Malachi 3:8-10; Prov. 3:9-10; Gen.14:20; Deut.8:10-20). [/li] [/list] |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Nobody: 6:56pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
OLAADEGBU: Your stupidity is amazing,when christ made that stament in matt23:23 was tithe not still valid ?hadchrist died on the cross then? till the death of christ on the cross burnt offerings and other jewish law were still in effect but all that changed when christ paid the supreme sacrifice on the cross. Apostle paul never taught or practise tithing as a christian he actually fended for himself by making tents. Teachers to be paid (Gal. 6:6) Has anyone on this forum said pastors should not sup[ported financialy ?all we are saying is that montary donations should be of ones own freewill as stated in 2 cor 9:7. Melchisedec priesthood is eternal and must be supported by children of Abraham let us assume that melchizedek tithe is still val;id,howmaby times was it paid by Abraham,did he leave any instruction that it should be continued ? Even the levithical tithe was paid only once in 3 years |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
Bobbyaf: I already know that you are a big fool so I won't bothger replying you |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 7:16pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
OLAADEGBU: May God forgive you for this blaspheming and the twisting of his word for evil and greedy motives. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by petres007(m): 8:16pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
KunleOshob: Amin! |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Bobbyaf(m): 8:26pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
already know that you are a big fool so I won't bothger replying you Cat got your tongue, huh! Chukwudi go deal with the many diabolic issues facing the catholic church members. I am sure you're aware that the catholic church is famous for influencing its members to will property to the church. I wonder who gets all those monies? I wonder what they do with all those monies they get from indulgencies? How come you're not concerned about such spiritual slavery that exists in the Catholic church? And don't you know that calling people who believe in God fools is far more dangerous than not returning a tithe that is holy unto the Lord? Your sin is even greater because you fail to listen to the voice of Jesus who warns you against such. Yet you have the audacity to talk on religious matters. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 8:49pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
@bobbyaf All those who depend on tithing to be put right with God are under a curse [galatians 3:10] and they have fallen of the grace of christ [galatians 5:4] so realistically speaking they can't be christians since they have no grace. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by ttalks(m): 9:03pm On Sep 23, 2009 |
There is one thing i haven't really gotten from those who feel tithes still ought to be paid; and I hope i get it now: Please;anybody who is in support of tithe payment, - Do you think that those of us who do not pay tithes are doing something wrong which God is frowning at us for? I really need to see how u guys see us in that regard. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:20am On Sep 24, 2009 |
chukwudi44: Hecklers called Christ worse names than that. Infact, your name calling shows that I am doing something right. Listen to what Jesus said as this passage answers all your objections "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" -- See Matt.5:11-12. Verse 17 He went on to say "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall do them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the the kingdomof heaven." Matt.5:17-20 All that Jesus spoke of here is timeless. It aplllies to all and sundry. He came to fulfil the Law. He came to give the proper interpretation to the Moral Law. What He abolished was the ceremonial Laws by His death on the cross. He gave us one Law that will enable us to fulfil the Moral Law which was the commandment to love, for God is Love. If you have the agape Love of God in your heart you will Love God will all your heart which covers the first 4 commandments and the love of your neighbour covers the remaining 6. Love is the fulfillment of the Law and it is only through Christ that you can have that love in your heart. Remember that rich man who claimed to have kept the latter 6 commandments but failed the first 4? He had the love of money in his heart which displaced the Love of God. This is the bone of contention of many Christians today, they have the love of money (Mammon) that displaces the love of God. Tell me one person who has the love of God in his heart and will still hold his tithes with tight hands? chukwudi44: If you sincerely go through the list of what Paul taught as I pointed out earlier, you will find out that Paul taught just as Jesus that true disciples must out do the scribes and Pharisees when it comes to giving. If the Pharisees were faithful in paying their 10% true disciples must be willing to give their 100% of not only money but talent, time, expertise or skill. A case study is that of the widow's mite. chukwudi44: Tithes is what is used in supporting the ministry of Christ. Jesus said that "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." -- Matt.5:19 Tithes can be said to be one of the least when compared to Justice, Mercy and Faith. Matt. 23:23 and if your are campaigning against what God has ordained as His own (Mal.3:8-10), then you are on your own. chukwudi44: The question should be "Where has a substitute programme for tithing in the New Testament been mentioned in the Scriptures."? |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:40am On Sep 24, 2009 |
KunleOshob: Leave the forgiveness of blasphemy and your so called twisting of Scriptures for God to judge. It is your duty to point out where you feel I blasphemed or twisted the Scriptures before you begin to point accusing fingers. How do you dispute the points I raised? |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:45am On Sep 24, 2009 |
petres_007: I believe you should endeavour to teach your student on what he does not understand on the Deity of Christ, the trinity, the meaning of spiritual birth and the Infallibility of the Scriptures in addition to your staying in the amen corner. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:50am On Sep 24, 2009 |
ttalks: Can I also ask you whether it is right to pay tax to a corrupt Government, (that's if you pay tax at all). This same question was asked of our Lord Jesus Christ, what answer did He give to this tricky question, do you know? |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by ttalks(m): 7:43am On Sep 24, 2009 |
OLAADEGBU: I asked a question first of all.Please give me an honest straight forward answer rather than an answer that would require me to read meanings into something. I notice something about your approach to answers towards people who do not seem to flow along the lines of your reasoning: You always seem to exhibit this overbearing "holier than thou" attitude; kind of like saying u believe u are the only one who does things right. that is regarding your little clause which is meant to imply that maybe I do not pay tax. Anyway, I might be wrong in that assumption. But; as regards your question concerning tax, I do pay tax(never has a month gone by that I haven't - I even get tax refunds sometimes. ). As regards the law of the land; the law which the government enforces, it is right and my duty to pay tax. Rom 13:1-7 (1) Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God's permission. The existing authorities have been established by God, (2) so that whoever resists the authorities opposes what God has established, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. (3) For the authorities are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you like to live without being afraid of the authorities? Then do what is right, and you will receive their approval. (4) For they are God's servants working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for it is not without reason that they bear the sword. Indeed, they are God's servants to execute wrath on anyone who does wrong. (5) Therefore, it is necessary for you to be subject, not only because of God's wrath but also because of your own conscience. (6) This is also why you pay taxes. For rulers are God's servants faithfully devoting themselves to their work. (7) Pay everyone whatever you owe them-taxes to whom taxes are due, tolls to whom tolls are due, fear to whom fear is due, honor to whom honor is due. Christ's answer;"Give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto God what is God's" is very simple; the government has certain expectations of the people it governs and these expectations include taxes but not exclusively. God also has expectations of us and currently his expectations of us are to adhere to the provisions of the new covenant(which I might add,does not require/ask us to pay tithes; and this is also not exclusive). At the time of Christ making that statement, people were expected to adhere to the provisions of the old covenant(which means they were also required to tithe;but again, this wasn't the exclusive point being referred to by the statement). Now, i would appreciate it if you answer me with a very straight forward answer. At least, I have been gracious enough to answer your question before you made any attempt to answer mine; which shouldn't have been. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 8:09am On Sep 24, 2009 |
@ttalks How now? Olaadegbuu has consisitently proven himself to be unable to give straight forward answers as fars as this tithing fallacy is concerned. The reason being there is no straight forward scripture to support it so he as a matter of compulsion is forced to twist and panel beat scriptures to suit his delusions. That apart i suspect very strongly that he has personal interest in this tithing scam and is probably benefitting from the filthy lucre hence his reason to support it is personal and selfish. But then again, if you try a stop a man's source of revenue he is bound to fight back no matter how dirty. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by ttalks(m): 9:04am On Sep 24, 2009 |
KunleOshob: Hello Mr. Kunle I'm ok as always. As regards what u said above about Olaadegbu; I'll say "Hmmmmm". But still, let me give him the benefit of the doubt . He just might provide a straight answer. And if he does, that would be an achievement in the camp of tithe advocates because no single one of them has ever produced a straight forward answer in that regard. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(m): 12:05pm On Sep 24, 2009 |
Good day everyone, Quote from: KunleOshob on September 22, 2009, 10:53 AM @ KunleOshod my brother and friend, believe me i feel quite disappointed with the way WE have almost turned this thread into a wrestling ground, simply because someone fails to see it your way doesnt mean you should call them CURSED, its really unfortunate believe me, and a man's comments are simply an expressions of HIS TRUE CHARACTER chukwudi44: @ Chukwudi44, gooooosh, muct you call someone STUPID,bocs a forum grants us all the opportunity to interact doesnt mean it should be abused, OOLADEGBU may be a senior friend or brother who knows and you go al out to say this is quite immatured you know? As far as am concerned you have little or no place as regarding this topic in the first place, why? its been confirmed you're a CATHOLIC and catholics are baseless in Christianity as a faith, am not trying to be sentimental but your posts so far butresses my thoughts. @Boobyaf, thanks bro, i read your comments so far and i must give respects, you are too much @Ttalks and OOLADEGBU i greet you brothers, aw una dey Back to the topic: Where you guys are not getting it is this! i read someone say that when Jesus spoke on his rebuke to the pharisees in Matt.23:23 , he never actually meant it for the disciples, now if i may ask, do you mean to say that HE ENDORSED TITHEING FOR THE PHARISEES IN THAT STATEMENT because THEY PRACTISED THE LAW AND NOT APPROVE IT FOR HIS DISCIPLES? isnt that pathetic?, - Even as regarding the law that you guys are condemning, Jesus christ even participated in it, If Jesus hated and abolished the law, then how come he even participated in the law and its provisions with examples listed blow: 1. He was circumcised, as did Abraham and his descendants (was it not in the OLD testament? that you guys call abolished testament) - Luke.2:21 2. He was dedicated in the temple, as did the law provided (was it not in the OLD testament?) 3. He was Baptized, as did Namaan of old under Elisha's time (was it not in the OLD testament? that you guys call abolised testament) -2kings.5 4. Even when he read, from what book did he read from (was it not from Isaiah's book of the ABOLISHED COVENANT as u guys put it)- Luke.4:17 5. He attended the passover and even practised it according to the was your ABOLISHED COVENANT says it should - Matt.26:17 and the list goes on and on safe for space and bytes. Now this is where i have been painfully explaining to you guys that what you guys think was abolished is not actually what was abolished, i have explained it from previous posts and would not want to do same when next i come i will explain better - THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT and its significance to we christians as regarding TITHES - THE MELCHISEDEK PRIESTHOOD and its connection with Jesus Christ and its significxance to us christians as regarding TITHES - THE MOSAIC COVENANT and the NEW COVENANT and its significance to us christians - WAS THE LAW REALLY ABOLISHED ; God is no author of confusion until then, pls lets try and control our emotions as not to end up abusing ourselves here. KunleOshod i greet you too |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by ttalks(m): 3:25pm On Sep 24, 2009 |
Tonye-t: Welcome from ur obvious absence Tonye. Now get this right: None of us are condemning the law(I wonder how u could reach such a conclusion). Also,we never said Jesus hated the law. All we've established here is that he brought it's need and relevance to and end with his death. You ask " how come he participated in it if he abolished it?" Well, if u have been properly going through what most of us have been saying(it's quite clear now that u haven't really done justice to that) you would not ask us that question because: - we have repeatedly affirmed it on this thread and so many other threads that Jesus Christ was born during the dispensation of the law. - he lived according to the precepts of the law because he had to fulfil the law. - also, as long as the law was in force, he expected every other person there and then to walk and live according to the law. Now, the main thrust of our argument is that: - the law had shown in many ways than one that it would be replaced by a new covenant. And the death of Christ on the cross was the complete and total fulfilment of the law; thereby ending it(not destroying it as some of you think we imply), setting it aside, and the beginning of the new covenant. Rom 10:4(KJV) (4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:4(ISV) (4) For Christ is the culmination of the law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes. Rom 10:4(CEV) (4) But Christ makes the Law no longer necessary for those who become acceptable to God by faith. Here is a commentary on the verse above:
All we need to do is to believe in Christ and we are justified. We do not have to perform any requirement of the law to be justified before God. All we need to do is believe in Christ and live according to the provisions of his new covenant. The need for the law of Moses has been taken care of by Christ. Our righteousness is in him since he fulfilled all the requirements of the law. So, no more adherence to an ended law by Christians. |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Zikkyy(m): 4:55pm On Sep 24, 2009 |
ttalks: True talk |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Sep 24, 2009 |
As far as am concerned you have little or no place as why? its been confirmed you're a CATHOLIC and catholics are baseless in Christianity as a faith The only reason I won't respond here is because I don't want to derail this thread. If you want us to discuss about catholicism and it's contribution to christianity create another thrtead for it. this thread is strictly for tithes |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 8:59am On Sep 25, 2009 |
Tonye-t:My brother i did not mean to insult him by that statement i was only trying to warn him that he is placing himself under a curse by practising tithing based on law which your popular Malachi 3:10 is derived from. The bible is quite clear on that as evidenced in the passage below: Galatians 3:10: 10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by KunleOshob(m): 9:09am On Sep 25, 2009 |
@Tonye-t Since you plan to twist tithing into Abraham's covenant, let me quickly remind you that Abraham's covenat with God had absolutey nothing to do with tithes but circumsision. Also there is no biblical evidence that the tithes he gave melchizedek had a religious angle to it as tithing was a custom then in the babylonia area [pagans also practised tithing then] were abraham came from. Also note that Abraham even gave more [The remaining 90%] to the king of Sodom who was not even a priest and Abrahams reason for giving out everything is clearly stated in the bible which were purely egoistic as he didn't want any body to say he became rich through war booty. In the same vein would you say the King of Sodom [pagan king] is greater than Melchizedek since Abraham gave hime more of his booty Just pondering |
Re: Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental? by Tonyet1(m): 11:10am On Sep 25, 2009 |
@Ttalks, 1. If you at the time is still saying that titheing was part of the law, then obviously there is a problem somewhere, the points you are giving so far are baseless, example is the case you guys are saying that the tithe Abraham practised was once in his life, now who is arguing if he gave once or twice or forever? rather what i am saying here is that This thing called TITHEING you guys are saying began with the law i have shown here times without number that it began b4 the law and as if that was not enough, 2. someone argued again that it was possible that the tithe Jacob promised he never fulfilled because the Bible never recorded any of such, believe me, that too again is baseless, did the bible give us the life story of everyone/anyone in the bible from their beginning to their end? what is evident there was that this man asked something from God and made a promise, the scriptures recorded God's fulfilment of that promise, now do you mean to say that Jacob will turn his back at his vow and go free, whatever happened to vow and its consequences i ask. 3. Ttalks, from your reply to my point, i now know that neither you nor KunleOshod have any point to prove, because if you have been sincere to yourselves, you will agree that it was you and your likes that blantly criticised the law as abolished, now you come back here to say you never did such in the first place is purely immature say a thing and stand by it, do you understand? 4. I read your most hilarious post were you quoted from Romans.10:4 _ you quoted that Christ is the end of the law, now i ask WHICH LAW DID HE END, was it the law of God or the Law of Moses, was it the law of faith, righteousness, and Justice, where is your reasoning power brother? there are several types of because they are two different things, and secondly, if you are saying that the law ended, do you mean the law of titheing?, was titheing ever mentioned a law in the first place? where was it stated in the whole of the scriptures both OT and NT that titheing was a LAW, pls state it explicitly and dont coin words nor scriptures. I have explained it here time and time again with scriptures to back that never was there a place that spotted titheing as a law, TITHEING BEGAN BEFORE THE LAW, ABRAHAM GAVE TITHE BEFORE MOSES GAVE THE LAW, this thing called tithe began as did circumcision, as did offerings, as did prayers, as did mercy, as did justice,as did faith, what Moses gave the people was ONLY A PATTERN OF HOW THIS ANCESTRAL PRINCIPLE SHOULD BE PRACTISED IN HIS OWN TIME AS WELL (for christ sake dont you read the bible) go back and read Lev. again and you'll here statements like this___. . . now regarding the law of cereal (burnt/sin/trespass etc] this is how my people should keep it" now isnt that much of a pattern than a principle in itself? na wa o,must i explain everything here for you guys as if i am feeding my babies, goosh whoever is saying that Jesus called tithe a law is simply pathetic believe me, did he call it a law or did he said they gave according to the law does these two statements mean the same thing?. The Titheing Abraham gave was not as the Law specified it, that is why they both mean different thing, In hebrew the Tithe Abraham practised was called QAL (meaning a practise of giving one's one-tenth) and that of the mosaic era was called TERUMUOT (meaning to tithe according to a provision given), pls get a hebrew bible and read further on this, one is a PRACTISE and the other a PROVISION, God what else can i say more 5. Now i asked again and someone said a very funny thing that gat me laffing my ribs out, what?now let me stoop low to your understanding of the law in itself) I quoted from Matt.23:23 - That if you say titheing is part of the law, then you should also say that JUSTICE, MERCY AND FAITHFULNESS are part of the law, because Jesus called them law there , and then someone either youself or your crew , said The disciples only chose to practise justice, mercy and faith and leave titheing, now i ask, who is more rather confused, how can the disciples practise one and leave the other, wont they be guilty of the other? *shakes head* believe me you guys are simply pathetic. Again, even in Jesus' comment, the bible clearly stated that JESUS CRITICIZED THE PHARISEES AND NEVER CRITICIZED TITHE, because THE TITHE THEY GAVE WAS DONE HYPOCRITICALLY. Jesus said, Practise mercy, practise justice, practise faith and also do not neglect to pracitise tithe (MATT.23:23 -Hebrew-English paraphrased bible) 6. Again, i read someone saying that because none of the disciples ever taught or practised it, meant you'll not do it, now the point there is that it is never my business if they did or not, as for me, Jesus said it should be practised and so i'll practise it, and by the way did the bible ever recorded that the disciples exhorted anything about fasting and the likes, yet we do it today because Jesus said it should be done, now doesnt that tell you that one person remains the CARDINAL of all issues? damn, i have to go now, duty calls,which i could stay here alday, until then, guys learn to reason things with the spirit of wisdom And again Chukwudi44, you have issues with yourself, sort it out first ok! |
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