₦airaland Forum

ochukoccna:
No 1 is infallible but that's such a sad commentary on the church of today. Again,I say, no 1 is perfect but I believe what Bakare is shouting out is we need to have standards even in our quest toward perfection.

especially if teh person is a leader in the religious or secular world- he must be held to the standards he claims and his followers should constantly review what he said previously and the text (Bible or constitution/laws) that forms the basis of their congregation.
And that is the difference between developed societies and we Africans.

I feel lazy souls [/b]look for ways and means of [b]manipulating people for what they cannot get through their own skills.

this quote from Tunde Bakare aptly describes many pharisees pastors opening shops churches all over the place for tithes, prosperity seeds etc.

violent:
Am not supporting their highlighting African's problem, but they also talk about their own. People call you by the name you choose to bear, there isnt any lie in the fact that Africa's problems far outweigh her progress, and for every step we take forward another two hundred is taken backwards.
Are you suggesting that the problems we face be kept secret from the rest of the world? Female circumcision still happen in many parts of africa, religion and culture hasnt helped us much either, Education is still backwards in many countries, Nigeria including, are u suggestion that all these be kept secret?
Have you ever wondered why an american child dies and CNN tells the whole world about it but until we die in our hundreds, we dont get the world's attention?

thanks for teh bold parts let those who wish continue to wallow in self-pity combined with transferred responsibility and expect God to come down and fix our problems!
enjoy your weekend.

proproman:
@SEFAGO & anonimi, I don't get you guys' drift. Is it that the whities had no part to play in our present misfortune or not? Granted we have our faults and a huge chunk of the blame to take for our present predicament but to ignore the role of slavery, both physical and mental would be pure ignorance.

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Mental slavery is holding us down. Realize that.

we are both saying the same thing, at least almost!
indeed the white man and the arabs played a part in our past misfortune but like you said "we have our faults and a huge chunk of the blame to take for our present predicament".
So until we deal with the huge chunk we will be going in circles- poverty cycle.
The past is the past we cannot change it even while we acknowledge it, today is what we own and can engage to ensure a better future, BUT we are mostly doing is cling to the past as an excuse for our present predicament and that is a shame! Part of the shifting responsibility syndrome I talked about earlier- leaders are responsible for the society's failure meanwhile we know(supposed to know) those leaders starting with the LG councillor and we will probably see them in m'osque today and church on sunday and honour them one way or another rather than distance ourselves from them. meanwhile we have relations and friends who are living beyond their legitimate income and we say nothing rather say na God don butter im bread, make God doo am for me too

* why is it so difficult for us, africans, to face up to the hash realities of our collective failure in spite of a very few individual success stories
* why must we deflect our collective failures to others- leaders, whites, slavery, pastors/missionaries BUT never to ourselves
* why must we constantly refer to our "old" glories- civilisation started in egypt, bini kingdom, etc
* why must we fail to recognise teh advances made by others in similar situation like ourselves-india has caste system & AIDS etc
* was slavery, already practised by m'uslims/arabs before christians/whites joined in and which arabs continue till today, NOT also stopped by whites/christians to the annoyance of the black slave raiders/traders
* how many of those who keep taking solace in the old glories will accept his child coming home with a report card showing last in class only for the child to say "but I was first ten year ago"
* when will we be outraged enough to do something about our collective stigma of never-do-well

nobody said she was dead. only that she was dying from whatever. a dying person is alive until she is dead QED

zamzekx:
"Fela is GOD!". what a blasphemy! may GOD have mercy on you to let you realize your trespass and ask for forgiveness.
I am one of the several hundred millions of FELA's fans, but nei, he was not even a church goer, Fela and his works (i mean music wise) live on, fine,
but when it comes to the things of God, i beg of you, watch your tongue.

hmmmmmmmmm, so na only church goer sabi God? Read Christ's conversation with the Samarittan woman in John 4 [/b]and get a proper understanding of the concept of God from His Son!

marcover:
You see, I could not ignore this one.  You mean, you compared Fela with [b]our God?  Please, don't get carried away with your emotions, ok! Hope you have not triggered your own downfall?  Can you handle the wrath of God? 

Remember, our God is a 'Jealous God' and nothing can compare with God Almighty.  Please, kneel down now and ask for forgiveness!  Don't delay before things starts happening to you and you start blaming your enemies for doing juju on you. 

Remember, no one is doing juju on you or your family but you, yourself.  You might not have realised you have provoked God with this Fela comparison so, pray and ask for forgiveness before it's too late for you. Think about it if I were you!!!


Thank you alot.

who are the we in "our" God
the Almighty God your forebears worshipped that had control over the smaller deities or the monotheistic one of teh Middle East religions of Judaism, Christianity or I'slam
Read Paul's address to the people of Athens in Acts 17 particularly verse 23: For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Read your Bible very well and ask the Holy Spirit to lead your understanding of God.

Does anyone know if it will be on SuperSport-DSTV?

yes, very much so. at least make dem sample their driving licence without the nuisance of family and friends coming to "greet" them.
dey can also use that time to start adjusting to the harsh realities of marital commitments- takling another person into account in your undertakings.
Personally, i prefer small/inexpensive wedding and take-off for honeymoon.

Ajiwire:
my dear, she should be human enough to know that you have spent much prior,
during and after the wedding.

na by force to spend much for wedding only to[b] impress people [/b]wey no go dey there when you dey cope with marital challenges
marriage is about the goom and bride plus two witnesses. thereafter, na jara, if u can afford depending on your priorities.

in me:
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LIGHT



International Football - Beckham's Galaxy reach MLS final
Reuters - Sat, 14 Nov 08:26:00 2009

Buzz Up!
[i]The Los Angeles Galaxy and David Beckham reached the MLS Cup final after a 2-0 extra-time victory over the Houston Dynamo in a game halted twice for floodlight failure.

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The floodlights went out in the 18th minute, causing an almost 20-minute break, and the same happened again six minutes after the interval with stadium officials blaming the local grid for the failure.

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http://eurosport.yahoo.com/14112009/58/international-football-beckham-galaxy-reach-mls-final.html

so, essentially no be only for 9ja sudden blackout dey happen, even for obodo america sef.[/b]i guess we should jump for joy and shout halleluyah in church tomorrow and have special prayers next friday at least we are equal to america on some obscure point.
meanwhile, i hope if your [b]child fails in school u will also look for some other children who failed and console your child with that fact

Seriously, seriously, this should be in the jokes section.
Moderator, please do the needful.
Thanks in advance

Yes they should without wasting any time as they are already old enough.
Soem don get pikin wey nearly fit play U-17 also

youngies:
You forgot to take a look at the number of posts he has.
They are the same foot soldiers of Ibori with multiple monikers

thanks for pointing that out.
na dem go tire- all these thief people dem

[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=345207.msg4833030#msg4833030 date=1256949092]make laws to reduce noise but not to close down worship centre because we need God. And we need prayers.[/quote]As 9ja's religiousity has gone up over the last 30 years so has our values gone down.
China and India do not have christianity and islam popularly yet they are making giant strides towards development on all fronts. Meanwhile india got independence from Britain only 12 years before nigeria and has 1 billion people.

ndcide:
so people should stop trowing stones because you don't go to church.

i'll advise the govt of lagos state to jettison such move coz it could have adverse spiritual implications on the state and the govt.
success is spiritual, believe it or not ,its the truth. any wrong move you, you lose it.

success is hardwork. the Bible says a lazy man should not eat. Christ said if you want to build a tower you calculate the cost, get your funds b4 you start. . . he could have said u should pray for spiritual breakthrough only as the charlatans masquerading as His reps and calling themselves pastors will want their mugu followers believe.
read up your bible a bit, will you
do u know of anything that is not spiritual as per your statement- success, failure, ordinary things like brushing your teeth, going to the loo

duality:
dude, score yourself.

thank you for highlighting the hypocricy in texas post. i hope he has taken good note.
overall, fashola is making a good move to be encouraged and scrutinised for any minute detail that needs to be improved and addressed.
those who have noise polluters and other issues in their areas should find out who their LG councillors. state and federal legislators are and report to these people first, who should bring it to the executives (LG chairman, state governor/commissioners, president/ministers) attention for remedy. that was how things were run in the traditional african society or any society, public or private for that matter.
those who may complain that he targets churches only, should contest next elections and target mosques during their tenure!!!

posakosa:
why I go post hin foto ?

becos u get am
and it is now in public interest to do so before I go search for im arrest/arraignment photo come put for here

SEFAGO:
yes thy might not have gone to prison in naija, but that is not the question. i am just calling out the unfair representation of nigerians in the media as 419- have u noticed it is the "nigerian 419" but not the "american ponzi scheme."

(un)fortunately that is the question- how does our society react to 419ers and executive/politician thieves- the reality is that rather than report them or at least advise them against such practice and refuse to associate with them we rather celebrate their i-don-arrive owambes. does that not mean that we condone and therefore are aiding and abetting such crime? hence we are part of the crime/reputation.
u think sey oyibo people no sabi sey na so we dey react

posakosa:
STOP posting pictures of innocent individuals. Niyi's facebook page has been taken down.

as e be your (ex?) friend, u fit post im photo for here?

Could it be the suspected thief (Adeniyi Adeyemi) in the facebook link below

[url=http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php%3Fuid%3DAAAAAQAQ8cRsUnMbcaLmWNVlKC9BLQAAAAqIOJ-MLoAlWCGTeQ2UCCx6&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.com/people/Adeniyi-Adeyemi/1212728612&usg=__hKSUSTM6SPqCA2sal_Zb9GbLP90=&h=248&w=200&sz=9&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=QLVZmijB-HTIiM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dadeniyi%2Badeyemi%26hl%3Den]Facebook[/url]

It is more of the straight from naija and nigerian immigrants who achieve a lot, regardless of their ethnicity. I can assure you that nigerians are not half as bad as americans or even close and we do get unnecessary attention, just like people from other ethnicity who do crimes.

These guys who stole petty 1.1 million dollars are small fry compared to madoff, the enron management, the CEOs of BOA and Lehman who ordered significant amount of bonuses, the real scam artist who run mega ponzi schemes.
However, we know how much oyibo love to stereotype people so we should just avoid trouble as much as we can and smile at them continuously. Then when we gain economic power show them who is boss

SEFAGO,

did u really write the above
where is madoff, enron mgt and the bankers
doing time in jail or committed suicide-right
and some of them were very influential
what would have happened to them if they were in 9ja
did u note that some of them were reported by their relations and close friends/co-workers
when u reflect on your answers to the above questions u will see why we 9ja people who celebrate thieves who deprive us of infrastructures and our heritage and compromise our collective 9ja identity.
and i did not know that calling hausa people cattle rearers was not stereotyping, or is it

BTW, anyone has the suspect's (Niyi Adeyemi's) picture?
Please post it here. Let us see the face of one of the thieves that are spoiling our collective identity.
Thanks in advance.

Kobojunkie:
Let us not make this into what it is not and focus on the issue which many of us acknowledge exists. Nigeria is fast building for itself a reputation that may yet affect all of us abroad, both the honest and not so honest ones among us.
We have been watching the world cry out against 419 perpetrated by our own people, with our own government doing next to nothing to quell the situation. In fact, it has become common knowledge that many of these 419ers are free to roam and conduct their criminal activities within our borders (NIGERIA) with no repercussions of any kind. Our culture is known to celebrate such acts. Even neighboring countries are weary of Nigerians who come into their shores, break their laws and then expect to be pampered.

The problem is many of these 419ers are not aliens. They are ordinary Nigerians with friends and family, boyfriends and gal friends, wives, husbands etc. a lot of whom know what is going on but refuse to speak out. I am a Nigerian and I have been a victim of one of these Nigerians. A fellow Nigerian stole my credit card a couple of years ago. When I reported, I was told the guy was nowhere to be found. Turns out he was an illegal. But I know someone else knows him and knows of his acts but may not have felt it his responsibility as a citizen of the world, if he/she is ashamed of representing Nigeria in a good light, to report such a crime. We, as Nigerians need to start with ourselves in solving this problem. The "IT IS NOT MY PROBLEM" attitude is what brought us to where we are today, desperately trying to paint ourselves as good people when the world sees that is not necessarily the case with us and our government.
I have over the years had to sit and listen to people who tell me stories of how a Nigerian stole from them or a family or friend, when they discover I am a Nigerian. And I am sure many out there can relate. All I can think is someone probably knew what was going down but refused to think of the victims and turn these idiots in.

Please, this is not about BLACK OR WHITE. This is about saving the Image of a Nation, generations to come, by doing the right thing NOW.

Thank u for putting this so well, particularly the bold parts.
As u rightly said, we ALL are seen/perceived as condoning and promoting such vices by celebrating their riches instead of reporting them to the police etc.
I forgot, 9ja's God will sort us out, we don't have to do anything to correct ourselves, no matter how little

keeeem:
I think it is high time the moderator starts screening posts that emanate from contributors. Our younger generation should not be throwing brick-bats on ethnic sentiments. If there is an issue, let us access it objectively and not conjure things up that is intended at hurting people.

you can help by clicking the "Report to moderator" link on the bottom left corner of each annoying post.

Nchara:
Olodo. Sizable is definitely correct. See am here

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sizable

Sizeable =Sizeable, both are correct

If you do not know, do not always think others are wrong.

I did not mean the spelling but rather the meaning, the relativity of the word sizeable applied to a population group-the yorubas would mean 60-70% support the guy.
does your man have such statistics

Half-bakedness is a terrible disease. Who said anything about the entire Yoruba race? The pictures speak for themselves that a sizable Yoruba population supports a thief. That is gratifying enough.

sizeable

This is very good from Fashola. I hope he will enforce it as much as possible while improving comfortable mass transit systems.
It is called progressive tax regime, the more you earn/spend in the economy, the more you pay for common services, infrastructures and their maintenance. if u don't want to pay high taxes, you can stay poor, no be by force to stay rich but if you work hard and smart and rake in so much from the populace, you should expect to pay higher taxes to government. if you don't like the way it is being spent, you have locus standi as a tax payer to sue the government.
to those who said we should wait till we get same standards as european and American countries where such taxes are applied, they should realise you need resources and people's orientation & cooperation first to move ahead.
"I am sick and tired of being sick and tired"
Wake up and take action for the change we desire!!!

denny4ril:
they need to work better on d defense. the boys tried in d second half but i think dat german should have been given a yellow instead of red card. waiting 4 d next game b4 i can say much about this eaglet

i hope FIFA will strongly indicate the referee's bank account and expenditure to verify any bribe paid to him.
our boys were not organised and did NOT deserve to draw the match BUT for the red card and the penalty.
when everyone is focused on ammassing and celebrating wealth at the expense of hardwork, the result shows up in every facet of societal life sooner or later.
compare with ghana's exploits in Egypt.
"I am sick and tired of being sick & tired"
let's take action and change ourselves.

somebody should ask the loudmouth Bankole if he and his PDP acolytes have not failed Yoruba people.
See pot (Bankole) calling kettle (9ja Delta leaders) black

9ja's loss is Ghana's gain ALL ROUND.
That is what a serious body polity that involves all citizens participation in democratising the country yields.
When will we also say "I am sick and tired of being sick and tired"?

oge4real:
Ngige will give him a run for his money. The only problem is dt the votes will never be counted. So its likely Soludo will get the seat afterall.

and i expect the anambra people despite having so many scholars and brave ones among them will fold their arms and let it happen only to come hear saying na leaders be the 9ja problem
how many thugs can PDP send?
how many eligible voters are in anambra??
what is the ratio of thugs to the citizens

okuyelu

@anonimi- do me a big favor, take out time to read the story of saul & samuel, relate it to this thread and revert okay, maybe you 'll understand better how the human mind works.

what exactly about saul & samuel's story relates to this thread if I may ask?

okuyelu:
Please correct me if I am wrong but is nairaland for just nigerians living in Nigeria? Why can't we be objective and stop all this malicious comments, some of these comments are so pathetic!!!
If you think it's easy to be a pastor then start a church, its a free world my people, the problem is not the church, pastor or God, 'tis the fact that we are always ready to push our failures on someone else,

exactly what mr. daddy GO does- everything wrong with 9ja na d devil, it has nothing to do with his thieving friends, OBJ, Erastus, Cecilia, Daniel etc.
so tell Adeboye if u see him in Texas to stop deceiving people and let us work hard, learn to hold ourselves responsible for our successes/failures and hold our leaders accountable rather than claiming God or devil is responsible.

bidemi12

He asked for it now? when you decide to enter politics you are fair game. Honest or not you must subject yourself to public scrutiny and pray you come out unscathed. Good luck to him.

thank u for the bold part which must apply to all public figures in all sectors of life- matching/comparing also what they said in the past with what they are doing now. BUT rather than pray he should make sure he is super clean so when his opponents and the public start scrutinising him they will find nothing tangible to chew on.