johnydon22:

the guy is just too childish! He cant comprehend basic things and his assertions are ridiculous...smh

let's take a look at who is insulting...you obvious ly don't have a life after nairaland...you lack basic human qualities..you neither visit other sections or even front page threads..you are only concerned with religion religion religion...if you so claim you don't believe in God..then live a normal life atleast I have glanced through the profile of many atheist here and have been impressed by their posts in other sections..but you , one direction..only bible and debate...bible and argument..hope you are not intending on reading law because of this ur lame arguments, u keep insulting and you say you believe in the love of humanity.."I love earth and everything of it"..just accept the fact...you are fustrated and you angry at christianity because you were a christian but you never got what the bible promised to good christians because of your selfish ways and you stand to insult me...what nonsense..if you don't have anyother thing to say..just pack ur load and leave my thread..or better still log out and view this a guest....claiming maturity nd you cannot make a decent post outside religion section..I wonder if you even have genitals..can't you go and even say "good morning" in the romance section??..or can't you even type "how much?" In phones section..kpatakpata type "14/2/2015" in politics section and stop living this life of one way...I expect you as an atheist to have more freedom..but No..you are bent on insulting anyone you can't defeat in an argument....mtcheeew

Weah96:


There is God? Of course, there are several Gods. But none is personal, a la Jesus, Allah, and Zeus. You claim to serve a personal God, one who talks to people, without presenting evidence. Either you're a skilled liar or you're deceiving yourself.

The Jesus from the bible stories was someone who respected material evidence. He didn't rebuke Thomas for demanding to touch his wounds with his fingers before believing that he came back. You are so unlike that person from the stories.

Adieu.

The topic of the debate is "is there God?"...and you have after fighting for 2days agreed that there is God...so who won d debate?? Me or me...

I understand you want to start another debate "which God is the true God since God exist"...but my friend....I never said I was in any religion..so you can kindly Go and Open ur thread for that debate...My mission here is accomplished

MY GODS NOT DEAD, HE IS SURELY ALIVE...

Zikdik:

"God of the Gaps" is an argumentative fallacy that tends to fill gaps in scientific theory with God. Very laughable.
Let me make it clear. I am, I repeat, I am 100% sure that God (Yahweh in your case) does not exist. That said, meseems you do not grasp my point. If a creation must always have a creator, then the universe has a beginning and that beginning has another. Infinite regress sets in and the mind becomes uncomfortable with that. But that doesn't rule out infinite regression. Reality has no moral duty to make us comfortable.

ah ah na who come b dis 1 again??...you say energy exist although it has no creation nor destruction...nd I say God exist although He has no creation nor destruction..so what is this case all about?? Infact this debate has long before now closed..this is the footnote ....

question: " does God exist?"........

We said energy exists and God exists..so who won??...of course me!!!

Weah96:


How can there be a God if other people are worshipping Odin and Osiris, while you're worshipping someone else? Is your God Odin, Osiris, or Krishna? There has NEVER been any evidence since antiquity showing that human beings talk to God. This unusual and unprecedented claim has only persisted out of the natural fear of death.

Whether or not there is a God is irrelevant for this discussion anyway. The force that precipitated the formation of the universe can be described as God. Nature itself could be God. However, we're talking about personal Gods, the ones that speak English to human beings and give them predictions of upcoming premier league matches. Those Gods MUST have evidence to back up their existence, if they're talking to human beings. If you claim that you are in contact with your God, and you can't prove it, then you are a dishonest person.

. .....chei...this guy ehn...I tire for ur case..u jst dey use english dey confuse both me and urself....have I said allah is the true God?? Have I said zues is the true God??...oyaa you have agreed that there is God abi but you are now asking which is the real God!!.....

Weah96:


Wrong. You said there is a God. I said prove it. You replied by asking me to prove that the God doesn't exist.
Imaginary things cannot be proven, the person asserting that they exist, and are not imaginary, carries the burden of proof.

imaginary?? When we found out that the earth was round not flat it was backed up by facts..the guys that found out that earth was spherical not flat...came up with the theory and when they asked to give reasons they did...they didn't ask the whole world to prove that the earth was flat ooh...so oga without much ado..virtually evryone I have met says there is God either allah,budha,zeus,shinto but you say that there is no God,so please enlighten me, what proof do you have that God doesn't exist...if you don't give proofs now then what you are doing is......

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

johnydon22:

lmao...am seriously shaking my head to this! chai

You self know say all of una funny ba??...

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

Weah96:


Nothing imaginary can be disproven. Can you prove that unicorns don't wear Jordan brand shoes? What if I say that I speak to a Jordan-clad unicorn every morning? There are tricks, gimmicks, in language and this God business is one of them.

My answer

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

Weah96:


The whole world doesn't believe that God exists, let alone YOUR God. What you're doing is appealing to the size of your group without addressing the merits of the argument. Some people in the world believe that I am God. They believe that God exists, but that we, humans, are him.

The whole world once believed that the earth was flat, that if you walked long enough, you could have fallen off the edge. Nobody believes that now. Arguments should be addressed on their own merits. Leave the size of the crowd out of it.

My answer

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

mentorandfriend:
Someone should give me a mention when the debate heats up, so I can patiently educate the atheists.

hehehe come ooh....this atheist guys are helpless to the core...

johnydon22:

No the question is "how can you prove god exists?"

...you are the person that wants to change the whole worlds ideology, you are the ones that go into every possible thread chanting "there is no God"...before atheism there was christianity so by virtue of that you are supposed to explain yourself..

You came into a thread...
ME: there is a God
You: no!! there is no God?...
ME: why do you say such? Can you prove it??
You: No!!
ME: then why do you say God does not exist
You: Nothing..he doesn't just exist...

So who needs to do the explanation??

johnydon22:
You see the problem?...you cant even have a good discussion, just yap rubbish and think any atheist or agnostic will ever care to waste time with you... smh...

I can't even have a good discussion??...this thread has been on since yesterday and you came along and started with the insults and you say that I can't even have a good discussion!!!wait...I know atheist to be good thinkers not people that go about looking for the slightest chance to lay insults...what you all have been on this thread doing is telling me that you don't think God exist and you have failed to back it up with proof...I know you atheists always question religious people when they say God exist but you people become powerless when the question becomes "how can u prove that God does not exist??".......confused looser

johnydon22:

lmao... their is need for you to review what you just wrote... sorry i am way to advanced for this...You lack basic comprehension...

so una don run abi?? All these atheist una think say una dey craze abi una don jam who mad pass una today..after fustrating xtians, be like "may God help you to understand"...now una dey come with "you lack basic comprehension"...make una come ooh..una never see anything yet...bunch of confused organisms...

johnydon22:

Bro it is very simple...he wants proof..the proof is simple His lack of proof that his god exists, is our proof.

you people keep striking diffrent match boxes at a time...just now one of you said that you guys are from energy..after I win that one..una con come say na energy be God..after una confuse una selves ..una con begin ask me for proof say my God exist..and told you that an evidence is our morals that counter or disagree with the survival of the fittest. (Predatory law of nature)...now you are saying that I lack proof!! And now you guys are in the christians language of "he exist and that is all I know".... And one is saying "his lack of proof is our proof"..meaning you guys virtually don't have any proof that God does not exist..I can easily turn it around d same way that "your dependence on me for proof means that you have no proof that God does not exist and so i rightfully infer that ur lack of proof shows that God exists"...

godsgift233:
why are we debating if god is alive when he never existed. Reasons :

1: The consistent replacement of
supernatural explanations of the
world with natural ones.
When you look at the history of what
we know about the world, you see a
noticeable pattern. Natural
explanations of things have been
replacing supernatural explanations of
them. Like a steamroller. Why the Sun
rises and sets. Where thunder and
lightning come from. Why people get
sick. Why people look like their
parents. How the complexity of life
came into being. I could go on and on.
All these things were once explained
by religion. But as we understood the
world better, and learned to observe it
more carefully, the explanations
based on religion were replaced by
ones based on physical cause and
effect. Consistently. Thoroughly. Like
a steamroller. The number of times
that a supernatural explanation of a
phenomenon has been replaced by a
natural explanation? Thousands upon
thousands upon thousands.
Now. The number of times that a
natural explanation of a phenomenon
has been replaced by a supernatural
one? The number of times humankind
has said, "We used to think (X) was
caused by physical cause and effect,
but now we understand that it's
caused by God, or spirits, or demons,
or the soul"?
Exactly zero.
Sure, people come up with new
supernatural "explanations" for stuff
all the time. But explanations with
evidence? Replicable evidence?
Carefully gathered, patiently tested,
rigorously reviewed evidence?
Internally consistent evidence? Large
amounts of it, from many different
sources? Again -- exactly zero.
Given that this is true, what are the
chances that any given phenomenon
for which we currently don't have a
thorough explanation -- human
consciousness, for instance, or the
origin of the Universe -- will be best
explained by the supernatural?
Given this pattern, it's clear that the
chances of this are essentially zero.
So close to zero that they might as
well be zero. And the hypothesis of the
supernatural is therefore a hypothesis
we can discard. It is a hypothesis we
came up with when we didn't
understand the world as well as we do
now... but that, on more careful
examination, has never once been
shown to be correct.
If I see any solid evidence to support
God, or any supernatural explanation
of any phenomenon, I'll reconsider my
disbelief. Until then, I'll assume that
the mind-bogglingly consistent
pattern of natural explanations
replacing supernatural ones is almost
certain to continue.
(Oh -- for the sake of brevity, I'm
generally going to say "God" in this
chapter when I mean "God, or the soul,
or metaphysical energy, or any sort of
supernatural being or substance." I
don't feel like getting into discussions
about, "Well, I don't believe in an old
man in the clouds with a white beard,
but I believe..." It's not just the man in
the white beard that I don't believe in.
I don't believe in any sort of religion,
any sort of soul or spirit or
metaphysical guiding force, anything
that isn't the physical world and its
vast and astonishing manifestations.

2: The inconsistency of world
religions.
If God (or any other metaphysical
being or beings) were real, and people
were really perceiving him/ her/ it/
them, why do these perceptions differ
so wildly?
When different people look at, say, a
tree, we more or less agree about
what we're looking at: what size it is,
what shape, whether it currently has
leaves or not and what color those
leaves are, etc. We may have
disagreements regarding the tree --
what other plants it's most closely
related to, where it stands in the
evolutionary scheme, should it be cut
down to make way for a new sports
stadium, etc. But unless one of us is
hallucinating or deranged or literally
unable to see, we can all agree on the
tree's basic existence, and the basic
facts about it.
This is blatantly not the case for God.
Even among people who do believe in
God, there is no agreement about what
God is, what God does, what God
wants from us, how he acts or doesn't
act on the world, whether he's a he,
whether there's one or more of him,
whether he's a personal being or a
diffuse metaphysical substance. And
this is among smart, thoughtful people.
What's more, many smart, thoughtful
people don't even think God exists.
And if God existed, he'd be a whole lot
bigger, a whole lot more powerful,
with a whole lot more effect in the
world, than a tree. Why is it that we
can all see a tree in more or less the
same way, but we don't see God in
even remotely the same way?
The explanation, of course, is that God
does not exist. We disagree so
radically over what he is because we
aren't perceiving anything that's real.
We're "perceiving" something we
made up; something we were taught to
believe; something that the part of our
brain that's wired to see pattern and
intention, even when none exists, is
inclined to see and believe.

3: The weakness of religious
arguments, explanations, and
apologetics.
I have seen a lot of arguments for the
existence of God. And they all boil
down to one or more of the following:
The argument from authority.
(Example: "God exists because the
Bible says God exists." The argument
from personal experience. (Example:
"God exists because I feel in my heart
that God exists." The argument that
religion shouldn't have to logically
defend its claims. (Example: "God is
an entity that cannot be proven by
reason or evidence." Or the
redefining of God into an abstract
principle... so abstract that it can't be
argued against, but also so abstract
that it scarcely deserves the name
God. (Example: "God is love."
And all these arguments are
ridiculously weak.
Sacred books and authorities can be
mistaken. I have yet to see a sacred
book that doesn't have any mistakes.
(The Bible, to give just one example, is
shot full of them.) And the feelings in
people's hearts can definitely be
mistaken. They are mistaken,
demonstrably so, much of the time.
Instinct and intuition play an important
part in human understanding and
experience... but they should never be
treated as the final word on a subject.
I mean, if I told you, "The tree in front
of my house is 500 feet tall with hot
pink leaves," and I offered as a
defense, "I know this is true because
my mother/ preacher/ sacred book
tells me so"... or "I know this is true
because I feel it in my heart"... would
you take me seriously?
Some people do try to prove God's
existence by pointing to evidence in
the world. But that evidence is
inevitably terrible. Pointing to the
perfection of the Bible as a historical
and prophetic document, for
instance... when it so blatantly is
nothing of the kind. Or pointing to the
fine-tuning of the Universe for life...
even though this supposedly perfect
fine-tuning is actually pretty crappy ,
and the conditions that allow for life
on Earth have only existed for the
tiniest fragment of the Universe's
existence and are going to be boiled
away by the Sun in about a billion
years. Or pointing to the complexity of
life and the world and insisting that it
must have been designed... when the
sciences of biology and geology and
such have provided far, far better
explanations for what seems, at first
glance, like design.
As to the argument that "We don't have
to show you any reason or evidence,
it's unreasonable and intolerant for
you to even expect that"... that's
conceding the game before you've
even begun. It's like saying, "I know I
can't make my case -- therefore I'm
going to concentrate my arguments on
why I don't have to make my case in
the first place." It's like a defense
lawyer who knows their client is
guilty, so they try to get the case
thrown out on a technicality.
Ditto with the "redefining God out of
existence" argument. If what you
believe in isn't a supernatural being or
substance that has, or at one time had,
some sort of effect on the world...
well, your philosophy might be an
interesting one, but it is not, by any
useful definition of the word, religion.

wait...have I qouted bible for you??...stop giving me why you think God does not exist..give me facts that show that God does not exist...

anthoniosp:
look at this man!!the question is..how do you know that something is moral or not??...since when did we start diffrentiating right from wrong??

what is it that tells you this is wrong or right??

fuzzyrambler:


the 10% thing has been since the victorian era, and has been disproved by neurologists. bae? the fact that you don't even understand what you call the law of nature actually irks me.

how are their actions justified? and even if it is, it doesn't mean it's morally right.

look at this man!!the question is..how do you know that something is moral or not??...since when did we start diffrentiating right from wrong??

godsgift233:



* The big bang theory*

abi ooh na true true big bang theory..no b only big bang theory na sheldon cooper...mtcheew

When the world says 2+2 equals 4...the answer is 4..but diffrent languages pronounce 4 in diffrent tounges and dat is the problem with religion but you atheist have yourselves out and have said no "2+2 is not equal to 4", because the difrrent languages pronounce 4 in diffrent tounges and you have become so confused that instead of trying to understand one language to get the message that "2+2 equals 4," you people keep shouting and jumping up and down that 4 can never b d answer...wat matters is simply how its calculated...some choose to use fingers, some prefer using stones, some abacus, some calculator and some just do the thinking in the head..its ur choice to choose the one that suits you.....






And eheen let it be known that I have already won one argument ooh...
"Since God cannot be created nor destroyed then he does not exist and if energy cannot be created nor destroyed it does not exist but since you guys say energy exist then rightfully God also exist"...#genius


Oyaa next case "is energy the same as God?"......

fuzzyrambler:
You say prove that god doesn't exist, I can't prove that because christians generally refuse to have an open mind. They refuse to think for them selves, because once they do that their bible says they are using human reasoning which is not on the same level as gods apparently

what I have is this. Richard Dawkins and Ricky Gervais said/asked this, I'm just paraphrasing.

You believe in your god because of where you were born, eg
southern nigeria(mostly christians) believe in the christian god,
north believe in allah,
middle east believe allah,
india have hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism,
old greece, zeus hera and other greek gods
old norway sweeden believed in odin, thor and other norse gods
romans jupiter apollo and other roman gods.

the question is would you believe god(christian one) if you were born in any of these other places?

other questions
1, would you still believe in god if you were the only person in the world who believed in him.
2, how do you know that your god is the right one?
3, how old do you think the earth is? According to the bible and it's history the earth is less than 6000 years, but it's but it's been proven to be over 4billion years old.

Noahs ark was filled with 2 of every animal on the planet + noahs family.
questions:
1, why didn't the animals eat each other since predators and prey were put together.
2, how did the animals feed? grass for goats, sheep and cows, trees for girraffes, fresh meat for lions tigers bears etc....
3, there are about 8.7million species of animals on the earth today. and it is said that this accounts for less than 1% of all species that have ever existed and we lose about 1000 species every year to extinction, please tell me how it was possible for noah to fit that into an ark that was
158.7m long by 26.45m wide by 15.87m high keep in mind that the titanic was (269.06 m) long (28.19 m) wide and 10.57m high and could only take about 3,547people

you'll just say god used his mystical powers to expand the ark, and keep the humans and animals not hungry. and make the ark strong enough not to sink due to the combined weight of everything on board. Am I right?

you see ur problem?? U with ur fuzzy rumbling!! Have said that I am a christian?? Have I said that my God is the only God??...wat I asked you is simple "is God alive??"....dnt go and qoute richard dawkins and sam harris for me..

Mr weah..hope you can without much ado, show me energy..

Weah96:


Should I also give you reason why unicorns don't exist or why mermaids are fictional? You're the person claiming to have a unicorn on a leash in your backyard. Someone asks to see your legendary unicorn, you respond by first demanding proof of its nonexistence. If you keep the thing in your backyard, why can't you just show it to me?

wait wat is dis 1 saying??...infact are you an atheist or a scientologist..let me know where to handle ur bucket from!!

fuzzyrambler:


I'm going to focus on a few points you made.
1, we use 100% of our brains, just like every other animal with a brain. all that 10% crap is just that. complete crap
2, dolphins are smart as Bleep and can be as nasty as humans. ie dolphins rape, they bully other dolphins etc.
3, elephants when they lose a friend or a member of the group, they mourn some cry as well.
4, monkeys chimps gorillas all mourn the death of a friend as well. they have social classes as well.
5, animals in 2, 3, 4 all have great memories form bonds with others of their species + humans, and they remember each other. like a monkey remembering a human friend it had 5-10 years ago.

she sticks to you because not everything is about fame wealth and looks. and you expect humans to act like animals when every animal is unique in its own way. eg why doesn't the monkey eat it's young. why do elephant have 22 month long pregnancies, why do turtles live for over 200, why do some animals eat meat, and some grass?

don't expect a human to act like a spider because humans are not frigging spiders!!!

Wait so the same science that said we use just 10% now says we use 100%....intresting...so you says ur bae doesn't stick to you because of welath fame and looks but according to ur law(law of nature) she is not sopposd 2 b with u..instead she shld be with c ronaldo...and wat do you mean by ITS NOT EVERYTHING?? nd Mr Man before you start..please be loading your answer on "why do you condemn the holocaust, boko haram, ISIS when all their actions are jusitified by the laws of nature??" Abi una don dey turn against una mother nature??

johnydon22:

can we then put it that energy is god?

energy is the mother of nature and nature is the mother of the universe...and according to the law of nature, law of predatory and law of civilization..."The fittest survive and the weaker give way"..but when germany started the holocaust..you stood up to condemn it...you say that adolf hitler is evil and you say that dracula is a devil..but they are following the law of nature or rather the law of energy ...if you say that is Energy is God then we are sopposed to behave like pigs that eat their young when hungry, we are supposed to kill our husbands after mating (black widow spider)..we are supposed to kill the weaker guy when battling for a female...we see the law of nature or permit me to say the law of energy (lol), in goats where the stronger male can have upto 300 female goats to himself but why despite the wealth, fame and looks of C.Ronaldo, ur girlfriend sticks to you...why do you feel bad when someone lies to you, why do you not fancy your mother and urge to mate her like dogs...why do you feel joy after passing and feel bad for a friend that fails...dnt tell me its because we are higher organisms because classes are set using the percentage of our brain we can use, unlike goats and cows that use at all at all 3%, we humans use 10% nd shocking to find that dolphins use maximum of 25%..and still yet there do not show signs of love or feel bad to eat themselves when hungry...

Zikdik:

Again, you err.
You are assuming a creation must have a creator. If so, God must have been created by something and that thing by another, leading to an infinite regression. It is more logical at this point to assume that some form of energy is the uncaused cause behind the series of events leading to the big bang. However, we can only guess at this point. Science is still young and things that were unknown years ago are very much known now. So, we cannot fill a gap in scientific theory based on the tales of nomadic cavemen. Unless of course, you have reasonable answers as to why we should, "God did it" is an incredulously lame explanation.

ooooooooh!!! Before we get 2 dat point in this debate....we must whole heartedly agreed that God exist but the question is who created God...what u are saying is that since no one created God..God does not exist and if so, I can say if no one created energy then energy does not exist.....bt I have agreed to ur theory that energy exist and so therefore God exist..kpam...biro closed #genious

johnydon22:

ok if nothing cannot come out from nothing then the chain can go on and on... the energy that tipped off the universe cannot come from nothing there for god created it, god cannot come out from nothing cus something cant come out from nothing there fore some higher god created god and another higer god created that higher and so it goes on and on cus something cannot come out of nothing.

so wait you have agree that God actually exists but the question now who created God? Abi??...talk ooh so that we wld knw if we are having a head way

Billyonaire:
Energy can never be created nor destroyed. I expected you to know that basic science.

wait my question is why Why?? Why?? Why??...why can't it be created or destroyed ...if you guys abi science says nothing appear from no where..like a pen cannot just appear but has to me created...

davien:
1st law of thermodynamics states,energy cannot be created or destroyed...[quote author=davien post=29710084] 1st law of thermodynamics states,energy cannot be created or destroyed...

No no no no...science doesn't belive in magic, if not we would have said energy appeared from now where...and d case would have died down...but you guyz keep hammering that everything should have an origin nd you fail to provide reasons to why energy is not created...I say that energy just as science has said like everyother matter cannot appear from now where but had been created by something that goes beyond the physical world and ends up in the supernatural world..of which I know I can't fully understand the spiritual realm and that's where faith comes in....I agree with science that everything must have an origin in the physical world and what we cannot point out its origin goes into the spiritual world..

johnydon22:

Is it that no one can actually attempt these little simple questions i posted?

because your question isn't targeted at the topic...before we answer the question then they must have been a conclusion that truly God exists nd the particular God is then the question...so have you accepted that there is a God?...note*** that I have not imposed the topic on you.I am giving you a chance 2 speak ur mind

FrancisTony:

If you believe in Jesus and his powerful traits, you can't be an atheist.

Actually, it's possible for him to be borne without spèrm(fertilisation of eggs) if God truly exists.

Are you confused?

hehehehe...this billo guy is really funny!!!...so what form energy is magic?? Ojuju energy??...mtcheew I thought your argument held grounds but kai...SMH..

Billyonaire:
My point is, the concept of God doesnt make sense as to how the multiverses come to be. There is no such thing like one-God, all powerful, putting together the pieces of the universes. That's the misconception here. The Universes are so vast that the theory of a creator God, that created Earth, Adam, and Evem doesnt just make sense. Energy fields do exist, from basic building blocks, the vibration of particules due to fusion of energy; the activation to life due to attendance of latent energy, and the conversion from energy to matter when energy goes through the Higg's Field that materializes energy. The oxygenated active gases activates life in fusion with cosmic spirit field. Soul as essense of consciousness pervades space and infuses all beings and we ascend to other dimensions and conscious levels as we shade the material vehicles that bound us to material world. With time, you will understand that you are part of the entire universe and a finite one. If there is God factor, you are it. You are part of the whole.

You keep imposing the fact that God does not exist on me but you fail to give resons to show he doesn't exist..you keep avoiding the debate and u keep speaking scientific grammer until u end up confusing everyone..stop telling me that electrons, electrons..tell me what proof do you have that God does not exist...
What you are doing is like
Do we have a goat?...
You say : goat has the same behavioral and anatomical structure as a cow and therefore goat is a cow and cow is a goat...

Billyonaire:
My point is, the concept of God doesnt make sense as to how the multiverses come to be. There is no such thing like one-God, all powerful, putting together the pieces of the universes. That's the misconception here. The Universes are so vast that the theory of a creator God, that created Earth, Adam, and Evem doesnt just make sense. Energy fields do exist, from basic building blocks, the vibration of particules due to fusion of energy; the activation to life due to attendance of latent energy, and the conversion from energy to matter when energy goes through the Higg's Field that materializes energy. The oxygenated active gases activates life in fusion with cosmic spirit field. Soul as essense of consciousness pervades space and infuses all beings and we ascend to other dimensions and conscious levels as we shade the material vehicles that bound us to material world. With time, you will understand that you are part of the entire universe and a finite one. If there is God factor, you are it. You are part of the whole.

Mr man or billonaire, you keep hammering that the concept of God doesn't make sense and you say that nature comes from the energy and so on but you keep avoiding the question....."What created energy"...and if you say nothing then it means you should not be created or destroyed but should be able to conform from one form to another...like if you vex now you go fit change to scorpion or even 2 biro or what ever...

Zikdik:
1) O.P cannot differentiate betwixt Atheists and Scientologists..fatal flaw.
2) With the way your discuss is set up, I don't think any atheist would bother engaging you.
3) Atheists do not have anything to prove to you. They are people who do not believe in the existence of a god, gods and spiritual phenomena. You do, however. You are making a claim, hence, the onus of proof lies on you.
Logically, prove the existence of your god (there are hundreds of thousands of them, and don't get me started on the capital "G".
I'd be waiting.

Oga..the person am debating with believes that he is a creation of nature..of which he asks me..if I say God created the universe then who created God and I answer him "if you say nature created you, then who created the universe"......he said "biology and some things about energy and electrons and some other long long scientific stuff"...so I ask him "what created the socalled "energy"...