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OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Maybe these ones will be the must touted "Game Changer"...

American and NATO military contractors have always been there since the day one of the war.

WrriterNg:
And guess what?


Nearly all of the completely destroyed or slightly damaged ships have been repaired or replaced.

With more ships and aircrafts being commissioned every week.

Older tanks are moved to the front lines, while newly made tanks are sent to storage sites to replace the old ones already taken.


German Chancellor Scholz, a few months ago said that Russia had since stopped producing tanks that would be sent to the front, they have been filling up their storage sites for over a year now.

Exactly.

And many of the said ships or boats were not even destroyed as they want us to believe. Most were damages and are ready back in service.

WrriterNg:
⚡An old thermal power plant in Zhengzhou, China has been demolished.

While one old hydroelectric power dam in the US is about collapsing, waiting to kill people enmass and the US government is doing nothing about it.

seunny4lif:
wait a minute, same media outlet that gave us ghost of Kyiv? Russia has only 5 days of weapons left? Putin has been killed ? The one that even the pro Ukrainian called fake news channel? The one that even Ukraine government has criticised for spreading fake information? The other that told us only 30K Ukrainian troops have been killed yet Ukraine government are already on the 6th mobilisation while Russia has only done one.

I will advise that you guys stop taking some comments serious.

Masterviolence:
70% of russia's black sea fleet destroyed?
If i request for factual data on the numbers of destroyed and damaged surface and underwater ships in the black sea fleet, you'll start jumping from this topic to another running helter skelter.

Stop using your emotions as an earmark for a fact-based discourse, you're not talking to fools.

Tell me how 70% of the black sea fleet was destroyed, infact give me link to where you read this misinformation from.

I shook my head when I saw that post and realized that all these while, we have been indulging in discussions with an emotionally brainwashed sentimentalist.

Pentagon briefing to Congress not quite long stated that just 10 percent of Russia's military capabilities have been used and damaged or destroyed in the ongoing Ukrainian war, and that the rest are untouched. Here we have a guy who says 70% of Russia's black sea fleet has been destroyed.

I just readded him to the SIO list for good. I have my sanity to protect.

seunny4lif:
After the French government party lost the last election, the president have been trying to woo some voters for the upcoming election.
Macron has walk backed after the election
French Armed Forces will not take part in hostilities in Ukraine in the near future - Macron

“I don’t think that war will come to our territory, I want to reassure you. We also will not participate in hostilities on Ukrainian territory tomorrow, I want to assure you of this,” the French leader said.

Too late for little Macaroni.

Vic2023:
🚨‼️ ALERT BREAKING – Israel: The Israeli army is advancing north towards Lebanon, the passage of military vehicles is occurring for more than 48 continuous hours in an apparent new escalation of tensions with Hezbollah.

I think the new Middle East regional war Irlmaier talked about is about to unfold. It's time to look up the clouds folks.

Balogunodua:
When the Houti made that claim...I was like nahhhhh! that's an impossicant..but the US Navy changed my thoughts with the video they provided.

Exactly.

reccy:
What's all these with these incessant fire here and there

Sabotage at work.

Watcharena:
maybe no carrier was hit but why did U S gave us old picture instead of new one and again why did US sent Carrier home only to replace it with another one

Gbam.

Balogunodua:
Hypothetical is what we all do factually Friend

The USA Carrier have yet to come across that kind of threat none that this defence system have engaged such threat on land or at the sea. So yours and his summation are all hypothetical....base theory...



The USA carrier that was supposedly hit by Houthi had all this system in place...even though no real time proof that this Mighty Carrier was hit...the USA providing an old video as a counter leaves room for suspicion for us all. We can go all and allover again with this to no end.

Logically, the old video they put out gave them away that they're hiding something.

Masterviolence:
The last paragraph sum it up.
This should also be a lesson to others.

And I hope he learnt something from this topic too.

I hope that too.

Fash20:
The same way drones are used to overwhelm every other DF system. The drones may not do the damage they just have to keep the carrier busy while another weapon strikes the carrier.

Extended facts.

Obedience40:
I was only saying hypothetical a swamp of drones will likely score a bit
the problem is how will drones be able to swamp a USA carrier, without them being intercept in transit.

Your first paragraph answered your question but at the same time, you contradicted your first paragraph with your second paragraph. At this stage, I cannot help you brother, because my eyes are turning me going around in circles. Stay blessed.

Obedience40:
which drones is stealthy,.?😂😂😂😂😂
even advance USA drones can be well spotted on radars talk less of cheap Chinese or Iranian drones

even stealthy fighter jets with their body frame and speed, when their weapons bay are open to release bombs they lose their stealthiness, and can be spotted on radars.

we are not in a stone age, there is no way a group of drones will surprise a USA navy carrier group,, IT IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Are there drones designed to be stealthy or not?

Masterviolence:

Argument like this gets me livid.

We are talking about:
Lunch, Detection and Interception.

[b]What is the correlation between this topic and the numbers of airplanes an airport can accomodate?
There's obviously no link to this topic of debate.

The only link I can think of, is you trying everything in you to travel out.
Visa, Airport and Abroad

[/b]

Ay the bolded.

Masterviolence:
My conversation with them will soon come to a halt.

I can't afford to loss brain cells because of them.

It's frustrating and baffling how some of them don't accept their errors, learn new facts and move on. They always have something irrelevant, incorrect or off topic to say. This is why most of the time I just chose to read comments without replying. I don't even read some comments anymore because is of no use reading when you know it would be fruitless to reply them.

Balogunodua:
Of course, Obeideince40 needs to calm down and agree to this new reality


But then again will it be possible with the Carrier operating far from the shore.

The US has gamed these type of scenario several times and the result is always the same: some drones always went through the layered defenses.

Nonetheless, if the carrier is operating far away from shore, the lesser the drone swarm success rate would become. But again, that would be almost impossible to achieve.because, carrier strike groups are designed to stay close within the geographical proximity of their target. And this will depend on if the enemy had advanced defenses.

If the enemy has little to no defense, the carrier can sit say a 100 to 200 miles away from the enemy's coastline. In theory, a carrier can sit and strike thousands of miles away from an enemy's shoreline, but the further away from the shore the lower the sorties and ordinances it can drop. Plus, it would have to expend huge refuelling assets for a very small strike force.

sainttwist1:
loooool......are you doing it for argument sake or from reality point of view.

bro, you are talking about a carrier group with ships and at least 40-70 types of different aircraft, with early warning systems, defensive/offensive weapon, different radars etc.

what type of drone are you talking about?, how many country operates long rage droned with ability to carry missiles that can penetrate carrier group defense or sink a ship.


for argument sake: it is possible
with current reality: no

You seem to know better than the US military that is now actively developing it's own drone swarm capability.

Brother, any surface ship, be it carrier strike groups or not, are not immune from drones and missile swarms, notwithstanding their defense capabilities.

Obedience40:
still the same thing how dose a drone armed with missiles comes within firing range of USA navy carrier battle group, without it being detected and destroyed


😂😂😂😂😂😂

You seem so obsessed with carriers in so much that you're now contracting yourself.

You admitted in one of your replies that a drone swarm would definitely score some hits, and when fired from closer proximity, that likelihood of success increases because the said carrier group would have fewer time to react. Talk more of when the drones are stealthy, fast, and coming from different directions. The scenario could even be more terrifying if majority of those drones carries missiles. The carrier group would have a hell of a time intercepting those missiles released by the drones because, the initial interceptor missiles would be targeted at the drone itself, not the missile it might carries and releases, further enhancing the chances of success. Then you have to deal with the suicide ones themselves coming alongside from air and on water. It's not a scenario any navy would wants to experience.

No surface ship is immune to a drone swarm, and that's the bottom line.

Vic2023:
Denmark has no legal right to restrict shipping in the Baltic Sea, the Tages-Anzeiger newspaper reports.

According to her, the Baltic straits, which are primarily discussed, belong to international waters and are in equal use of all states.

I laugh out loud reading Denmark contemplating limiting Russian ships transiting the Baltic sea. It would give Russia the legitimate right to target and destroy their ships at sea with Russian subs. If they think NATO would come to their aid, then I have a mountain to sell them.

Masterviolence:
The joke is on you, because the last time i cheacked, not all drones are suicide drones.

Some drones carries missles

Plus some drones are stealthy, making them highly difficult to detect thereby doubling the possibility of realizing the close proximity target we are talking about.

Masterviolence:
He's emotionally dysregulated now that the facts are too numerous to dispute.

Facts are facts especially when they define the reality of something.

Masterviolence:

You still don't get it.
I believe you're not myopic.
I think you obviously lack the cognitive propensity to fathom the subject of discourse.

What Appleyard is saying, is in conjuction with what i told you yesterday.
There's no defensive system that can score a 100% defensive rate when swarmed in close proximity with advance drones.

The reason for the introduction of EWS as a protective layer is to prevent the exhaustion of interceptor missle while simultaneously doing the interception, but this doesn't defect the obstacle of swarming itself.

Exactly. You just summarize what I was trying to pass on to him.

Masterviolence:

I'm talking about an Hybrid system and this on is talking about diesel.

How can a tesla that's charged by a portable electricity generator make more noise when driving on it batteries than a V12 ferrari F50.

How did I end up conversing with this kind of people.

You haven't seen anything.

Obedience40:
Modified
how dose a Soviet era kilo sub more stealthier than a nuclear sub.
😂😂😂😂😂

The idea of as Sub is to remain undetected,
how dose a diesel engine/electric sub more stealthier than a Sub powered by a nuclear propulsion system.

a diesels sub will emit more noise than a nuclear powered sub, thus can't be more stealthier, nuclear power Subs were developed to increase their undetectability

online naval war expert.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It's clear you don't understand the dynamics of submarines and their different designs. Nuclear powered subs are not quieter than Diesel or electric subs just because they are powered by nuclear fuel.

You don't have to type anything just because you have nothing to type.

Nuclear powered subs are more detectable than Diesel and electric powered subs. The infrared signature of a nuclear power plant is detectable in nearly all sea states due to the thermal structure of wave patterns. Close to the ocean floor, the cooling-water intake on SSNs could be prone to collecting contaminants. In contrast, today’s hconventional submarines like the diesel and electric subs are extremely quiet, with very low infrared and magnetic signatures. When powered by Li-ion batteries and AIP
propulsion, those submarines can operate at patrol-quiet state or sit on the seabed for several weeks without surfacing.

The main edge of a Nuclear powered sub over the rest is their ability to dive deeper and remain under water for many months and years if possible, and is great for power projection.

I have come to see that you have a knack for just "type something" even though it's incorrect, lack research, or purely illogical. That's very bad.

Only get involve in topics you're certain you know and adequately researched.

Obedience40:
you don't have to be impulsive, you can easily pass your points without being so paranoid.

You said 9 submarine, in the last ten years
appleyard said 29 submarines in the last ten years

who am I going to believe now.

Gad damnit! I said 40 surface ships and 24 submarines. Don't say what I did not say. Go back to the earlier post, please.

Masterviolence:

Appleyard, you just reminded me of this stupid comment from an ignoramus.

Between Mr Gazprom and this guy, i don't know who's the best at falsifying stats to suit his narrative.
Lets say the west gave you the life that you're currently living, but being able to designate between right from wrong or between good and evil doesn't make you less of a human.

In the last ten years russia has commissioned 9 nuclear submarines.
4 Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
5 Borei-class nuclear submarines.

Yesen-class nuclear submarines.
1. K-560 Severodvinsk project: 885
Commission date: 17 June 2014
Status: Active

2. K-561 Kazan project: 885M
Commission date: 5 May 2021
Status: Active

3. K-573 Novosibirsk project: 885M
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-571 Krasnoyarsk project: 885M
Commission date: 11 December 2023
Status: Active

Notable mention:
5. K-564 Arkhangelsk project: 885M Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Floated

There are currently 4 yesen-class nuclear submarines under constrution.

Borei-class nuclear submarines
1. K-551 Vladimir Monomakh project: 955
Commission date: 19 December 2014
Statu: Active

2. K-549 Knyaz Vladimir project: 955А
Commission date: 12 June 2020
Status: Active

3. K-552 Knyaz Oleg project: 955А
Commission date: 21 December 2021
Status: Active

4. K-553 Generalissimus Suvorov. Project:955А
Commision date: 29 December 2022
Status: Active

5. K-554 Imperator Aleksandr lll project: 955А
Commission date: 11 December 2023 Status: Active

Notable mention:
6. K-555 Knyaz Pozharskiy. project: 955А
Commission date: Before the end of 2024
Status: Launched

There are currently 2 Borei-class submarines underconstruction.

Putin signed a degree some years ago to increase and modernize the russian navy and i believe what they're doing is to build and commission every weapon on their inventory even of it is 2units yearly.
That being said, russia has commissioned over a dozen diesel-electric submarines like the kilo-class submarines which are more stealther than nuclear submarines but their only downside is rage.

I pray one day you find redemption.

I believe he is deliberately ignorant.

Obedience40:
I honestly can't see anything on the internet on Russia having built and receive 40surface ship's and 24 Subs.
post the link so we can read it also.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-navy-now-trying-make-ultimate-comeback-208994
Here is a link, and is from a western source..

Obedience40:
seems you love fiction movies, explain to me how a swamp of drones would come so close to a Carrier group with out it been destroyed halfway, what are the early detection radars for? The AWACS aircraft what are they meant for, the satellite and the land based radar facilitate what are they meant for? there are different level of countermeasure a Carrier battle group uses and the first is "deterrence" destroying targets before they come within range of the strike group.

when Iran launch it wave of drones and ballistic missiles, how many got into Israeli airspace, 80 percent were intercepted in transit, same would happen, when a wave or swamps of drones is fired. The carrier and it's escorts powerful radars pick it the moment dose drones becomes airborne, there over combine force of over 50 plus jets and attack helos are scrambled to attack and intercept the targets, the destroyers ships surface to air missiles SAM'S like the TOMAHAWK long range cruise missiles are activated they track and start engaging those drones, they are also anti drone countermeasure like jamming the drone signal.

you carefully left the is part of early detection, according to your reasoning, a swamp of over 100 drones, would magically evade radar detection fly in mass for many miles and appear on the door step of a aircrafts carrier.

Early detection is one thing, how many drones you can engage simultaneously in a matter of minutes is another thing entirely. It's obvious you're new to this topic.

How many air defense missiles does surface ships carry in their arsenals? By the time they succeed in taking out most of the drones in the swarm, the ships might have run out of interception missiles. In a near peer scenario in the real world, facts have proven that there is no 100% success rate of intercepting a drone swarm from close proximity, especially with advanced drones both at sea and in the air. The Ukraine war should be your eye-opener. The damage the Shaheeds and Lancets have done to Ukraine is there for all to see, and we are talking about a battlefield with one of the most policed and contested air and sea space in modern warfare history. Talk about NATO's "All seeing eye" and OSINT, alongside Ukraine's capable air defenses, which offers a formidable multilayered air coverage for the Ukraine. Still, Mr Lancet and Sultan Shaheed always find their way to their targets.

Citing Iranian drone attack on Israel is a weak argument. A coalition of countries had to come together to help intercept those drones that were flying from 1200 km from their launch sites in Iran, giving Israel many hours of a heads-up ahead. In fact, it would have been a complete failure on Israel and the coalition part had they failed to take down the drones because, not only do they have the quantity of the right interception assets but many hours ahead to prepare. Moreover, the long distance and the single flight path they were flying gave the coalition a predictable and one-way flight path to map and take them out. But take the Hezbollah scenario for instance, many of their drones have caused and still causing havoc in Israel as we speak. Even the US you're talking about is now developing their own drone swarm capability, with the "protection" of Taiwan in mind. If it doesn't and won't work, why venture into it. It works and could cause serious damage to any country' surface ships no matter the strength of that country. Ukrainian drones both at sea and air based have recorded some success against Russia's sea based military and civilian assets, despite the Russian formidable defense and EW capabilities.

Take it or leave it, drone and AI driven missile capabilities are the Hallmark of current and future of modern conventional warfare.

Procashtips:


So them no even reach Alimosho LG?

For where?

Vl3ly:
❗️🇷🇺🇮🇳 The Cabinet of Ministers approved a draft agreement between the Russian Federation and India on the procedure for sending military units, warships and military aircraft

Mishustin instructed the Ministry of Defense with the participation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to hold negotiations with India and sign the corresponding document.

Alliance formation gradually and subtly unfolding before our eyes. The path to WW3 has been set and the countdown timer has begun. How speedy that would be would hugely depend on the outcome of the US elections come November.