₦airaland Forum

gidgiddy:
Afenifere and Yorubas are always shouting that they want Nigeria restructured. How come not one single Yoruba lawmaker has ever moved a motion that Nigeria be restructured? Why is it that the Yoruba reps have never brought up the issue of restructuring at the national assembly? The answer is because it is a complete waste of time.

They simply dont have the numbers to pass a bill on restructuring. The same goes for referendum

Invariably your call for referendum is all a waste of time and resources because you don't have the number as well and this is where lobbying comes in but first thing first, you need to start from your state house of assembly before you get to the federal level.
Your call for referendum in Abuja at this moment makes no sense.

0monnak0da:
It is treason when it is violent
A group with no democratic mandate cannot force the issue of lefelendum.
To push that agenda they must join party politics ,get elected and use democratic institutions to advance their cause

....would those miscreants ever learn that simple instruction we've been boxing into their skulls all the while?

gidgiddy:
This is the reasoning of a kid. Referendum is democratic, it is not secession. Referendum has been used in Nigeria before, Adamawa state became part of Nigeria as a result of a referendum in 1961. Our colonial masters Britain gave Scotland referendum in 2014. The same Britain used referendum to leave the EU in 2016

But in backwards Nigeria, referendum is treason and secession.

Nigerians are just too backwards. It is in Nigeria that some people will say they want to be on their own and another set up of people will say we must all be together because Lord Lugard has brought us together in 1914

The same shameless "Nigerians" are still claiming the country Lugard created as their own and answering the colonial slave name Lugards wife made for them.


All I know is that we Igbos will continue our quest for our independence from the failed British colonial contraption called Nigeria. Nobody is interested in being part of failure

Stop muddling up issues abeg, British Cameroon wasn't a part Nigeria initially but a German colony before it was split between the English and French to colonize till after the parent country gets independence and the people would be asked in a referendum where they would want to belong, you've been lectured on this your lame excuse but you'd always come up with it every time.

If you want a referendum in the constitution today, you'd need to start from your state house of assembly and not the national assembly, you've been lectured on this too.

Have you asked regions and nations all over the world how they got referendum inserted into their constitutions and why others including superpowers like the US, China, France, Russia etc don't have anything close to that? You've been lectured on that ad well but you'd always bring it up.

Meanwhile IPOB cannot speak for other secessionist groups and you should pass the message across to IPOB, they'd only be precipitating a civil war if IPOB feels that it only has the God given right to speak for everyone.

enemybulldozer:
You have not cornered me for once because you don't have what it takes to do that. What you always bring to the table is junk.

Meanwhile, don't leave my question unanswered.

Na today?

enemybulldozer:
You've not answered my question.
Did the north achieve sharia in 12 northern states through their rep members and senators at the federal level??

Can you show me where it is written in nigger-arean constitution that the north can have 12 sharia states??

Did the north consult the people to know if they really want sharia in those states, and did they achieve it through a referendum??

It was achieved at the state level through the representatives of the people.
Don't understand what you mean by n. arean constitution.
Since the representatives of the people passed it into law with no opposition by the people they represent means there would've been an agreement between the people and their representatives, some states house of assemblies wanted to deliberate on it but the people rioted against it and it was not implemented.

Why are the states assemblies in the SE not deliberating on referendum for the people that elected them, if IPOB was that popular among the people, I'm sure it's the people that'd be doing everything in its power to make sure their houses of assemblies would be on it by now.

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Relax.
Lagos isn't on the list, right? Well, that is good.

But once again, let me established the point I made earlier today which what the Op is all about. The OP and bone of contention here isn't about a state cos it is what happened to the rest of SE states which numbered about 3 above the rest of the SE states?

So, what? Anambra takes it all, Lagos too top all the table so what happened to the rest of SE states below SW states?

Mind you, all the states in SW were mentioned except Lagos, for the SE only Anambra and Ebonyi(traditionally the laggard of the SE states) were mentioned and Imo, Enugu and Abia were not so you can't compare those not present for now.

enemybulldozer:
Don't tell me you are running away already you think am gidgiddy you always hop into his mentions just to offload your hate and bile towards the great Igbos.

You are calling Igbos 'attaché by force' forgetting that your beloved nigger-area and Britain are the real attaché by force.

Answer my questions you hypocrite.

Thank God you mentioned gidgiddy, he's someone I respect so much here and he states his points very clearly and whenever he knows he's been cornered, he simply move on, he's cornered me on some occasions as well.
Same goes with horsepower unlike you who starts going off point and screaming afonja whenever you've been cornered.

enemybulldozer:
Stop beating about the bush and answer my questions.

Did the north get their 12 sharia state through their elected reps and senators at the federal level??

Why must our own (Igbos) be different??

Do we have Sharia courts mentioned in the constitution before the states adopted Sharia in those states? Yes
What was the position of the states' houses of assemblies (representatives of the people), was the idea deliberated by the houses before it was passed to law? YES.
So what's your point again

kettykings:
Biafra might happen like an over night spontaneous chemical reaction triggering non reactive ,dormant people domains to react in previously unknown ways.

A little tricky trigger might pull the final trigger on Nigeria just the same way a little button is used to start a very complicated and complex nuclear reaction that produces different new chemical compounds, substances and stereotypes unknown to man..

Ipob has shown that the are light years ahead of Nigeria. I just hope ipob leadership is not using Nigeria as a social experiment before pushing the react button .

You better wake up from your daydreaming and go find something important to do.

gidgiddy:
If you are a totally talking about Igbos, why are limiting Igbo land to 5 states created by clueless military leaders? What about Igbo indigenous to Rivers, Delta, Benue and even the Igbanke people of Edo?

Do you now forget your people because they were carved into other places?

Attaché by fire by force, don't go do your thing, continue latching on others who had told you they don't want anything to do with your phantom Biafra.

BuhariAdvocate:
I still don't understand your point. I would like to ask you again. Why the beefing,you are looking for job I guess?

Someone is frustrated and hungry this morning and instead of you to be appealing to fellow forumites to come to his aide, you are busy asking jamb question.

jimyjames:
Says a guy from a race that has never fought a war before, just some bunch of verbal warriors

Have you being involved in a riot before, asking about you involved in a war is like an insult on your ancestors who witnessed it.

jimyjames:
Am a young Biafran man still in my prime so what will stop me from fighting if a war break between Biafra and Nigeria for the second time?

I don't understand what you mean by I can never be Yoruba, I have never wished to be Yoruba

Lastly yes I know we will be fighting hausa/Fulani Yoruba's , middle belt soldiers we have fought them in the 60s before so its not new

Our brothers were in the Nigerian army and all of them returned to fight for Biafra so I don't know what you mean by we will be fighting our brothers in the army
We will have have our own army

Nigeria wouldn't even waste her time fighting Biafra because Biafrans would be busy killing each other and making the job easier for Nigeria.

You are there in Lagos shouting war, I'm sure you couldn't afford the T fare to the SE just as millions returned home for the yuletide, return home and declare your Biafra and war, you don't need a referendum again.

jimyjames:
Good, just pray it doesn't end in war since you are afraid of it,

But one thing is certain another civil war will happen between Nigeria and Biafra sooner or later, all we need is a referendum to stop it from happening

Look at this one shouting war everywhere as if if you're given a catapult to aim at a sitting duck or chicken, you will be able to.
Have you ever in your life participated in a protest or riot before?

For your information, the next war would be a civil war and not between Nigeria and Biafra but within Biafra itself. When factions like MASSOB, IPOB, BZM, BIM etc would all be killing themselves and their supporters on who to control the central government, all Nigeria would do is to close her land borders with Biafra, remember that Biafra would be surrounded by Nigeria all around and all Biafrans will be holed up in Biafra where disease, hunger and the trigger will reduce the population by 75% before the UNHCR, UN, US, EU, etc would take any notice of Biafrans.

Nobody is giving you a referendum so you can personally start the war instead of making noise all over nairaland, maybe you feel the civil war within Biafra itself will start and end on nairaland.

enemybulldozer:
What of you that loves to separate Igbos from Ipob when cornered.

Did northerners get their twelve sharia states through their elected reps and senators at the federal level??
Why must our own (Igbos) be different??

Get my message across to IPOB before you derail

enemybulldozer:
Where did you get that your SS will not join biafra from?? Or better still, how did you know that SS will never join biafra??
Explain better too.

lol, attaché to SS by fire by force, just pass my message across to IPOB before you derail

enemybulldozer:
So, you know that any group can spring up anytime but you believed those yeye groups that said they're this and that from SS and they don't want biafra. This shows you're a hypocrite. You believe what you want to hear and discard what you don't want to hear that is characteristics of a hypocrite.

yeye groups from the SS? Explain better because I don't know what groups from the SS you're talking about here.

enemybulldozer:
Go and speak for Afonjas that is where you belong. Leave Igbos alone their minds are made up to leave this contraption and nothing can change that not even your rants, lies, propaganda and hate can change it.

As usual, when he's cornered afonjas start chasing him in his dreams. Send my message to IPOB.
BZM, BIM, MASSOB, Bilie movement etc and Igbos can speak for themselves, the Igbos through their elected reps and senators at the state and federal level.

enemybulldozer:
That you have not felt their presence does not mean that, they do not exist.

Any group can spring up any time any day, it's the internet and hungry bloggers abound.
Tell IPOB to speak for itself and stop speaking for other secessionist groups and Igbos

enemybulldozer:
Who are the 'we'?? Disappointed for what exactly?? Biafra is not for Afonjas.

Biafra is not for Indonesian Buddhist, tell IPOB to speak for itself only and stop speaking for other secessionist groups and Igbos that it has never consulted before

enemybulldozer:
I don't understand what you mean. Do you think the agitation has stopped??

We don't want to be disappointed by "we shall, we will" sentences, agitate and get the Biafra fast

enemybulldozer:
I've made it clear to you countless times that Ipob is Igbo, Igbo is Ipob two of them are like both sides of the same coin. Do you think you Afonjas can divide them the way you people did between Igbos and their SS Brothers?? That's not possible.

Here is the evidence that shows Igbos want Referendum to restore biafra.

Global Igbo alliance that nobody and not even you had ever felt their presence

enemybulldozer:
Power belongs to the people. But Sai babarians like you will never understand. A group of organized people can agitate for Referendum.

And for your info, those people you see as miscreants and motor park touts are better than you. At least they have a working brain to know that nigger-area is a fraud and a disaster when people like you are too blind to see or notice.

Why are you and those miscreants not agitating for the referendum right now, are you scared of something we don't know or maybe you feel your agitation starts and ends on nairaland?

gidgiddy:
You are asking stupid questions. IPOB was declared a terrorist organisation by your Nigerian government in September 2017, so whatever they have done since then no longer matters since they are terrorists.

But before September 2017, what exactly did they do?

They protested for Biafra and referendum? The law allows them to protest anything they like

They made threatening utterances? Nobody becomes a terrorist just by talking

Were they armed or killed anybody? No

So how are they violent?

They are acted within the law and if you think that they should join politics and elect representatives that will push their referendum for them, its up to IPOB to decide if they want to go down that route.

What matters is if they were lawful.

Even the armed Fulani Herdsmen who kill thousands of Nigerians every year, rape many women, burn down communities, they will never be declared terrorists in Nigeria

But unarmed IPOB who only staged protests and made utterances, that was enough for your Nigerian Government to declare them terrorists

The Nigerian constitution allows for the freedom to protest but not for treasonable acts, referendum and secession are treasonable offences under the law of Nigeria so you can't hide under the freedom to protest to commit the crime.

A threat to life is a criminal act under our law whether the threat was acted upon or not, you do not need to be armed or not, a first year law student or a police recruit can explain better to you.

Open another thread for your herdsmen and stop muddling up issues and trying to derail.

IPOB is a terrorist group and you can go argue it in the court of law, nairaland can't help your case in any way.

@the bolded, since IPOB feels it has the right to decide its decision without the input of the people it is professing to speak for, is it still a democratic movement? You can see how you elevated IPOB's right to determine what they want and damning what the people may want. Let IPOB speak for itself and leave the great Igbo people to speak for themselves too, I can't remember at any time when Igbos appealed to IPOB to speak for them.


We have Igbos in BZM, BIM etc and when have they all given IPOB the right to speak for them and other Igbos, have they been consulted and they gave their blessings? Why must IPOB take it as their God given right to speak for everyone?

IPOB should know this is a precipice for a civil war within Biafra if it is granted independence today

enemybulldozer:
The answer to your 1st statement is Yes. Majority of the Igbos want a Referendum.

This your rubbish you keep propagating concerning Zik, ironsi and ojukwu can never fly, not when people like us are on social media. There is no way a sane person will leave the arse that farts and give the head a hard knock. Lugard and his cohorts are to be blame as far as nigger-area is concerned.

2ndly, tell me why we should blame the people you mentioned.

3rdly, is Ipob different from Igbos?? The people that made up Ipob are they from Mali or Chad?? The way you reason most times baffles me.

Provide us on when and how you conducted the voting for or against having a referendum.

@2nd paragraph has been discussed here and won't bore myself going over and over it again.

IPOB doesn't equate to Igbo, you don't force your ideology on a people because you feel it's your right, face your ideology and allow the Igbos to face theirs.

gidgiddy:
Section 4 of the Nigerian constitution allows anybody freedom of expression, freedom of movement and freedom to hold opinion. It even allows freedom of 'belief'. All these allows people the freedom to protest about anything

If you are looking for a specific law that allows freedom to protest for referendum, there is none, sane as there is none to protest about any particular issue.

Its like asking if there is any law that specifically allows the NLC to protest for wage increase? It doesnt exist but NLC protest about wage increase all the time. Everyone has right of protest, the law does not care what you protest about, it only cares that you have the right to protest

Good enough, since you have a right to protest for anything, what is stopping you or IPOB from protesting for a referendum since IPOB has been proscribed and designated a terrorist group?

LLMG:
give them biafra and see whether they will ask for presidency

Why can't you give yourself Biafra, must you wait and beg others for it?

gidgiddy:
The Nigerian constitution allows anybody the right to protest about anything. If I like, I can take a placard and protest that I want snow to fall in Enugu.

Anybody in Nigeria has the right to publicly protest for a referendum.

Can you site the particular section of the constitution that allows you as a Nigerian to publicly protest for a referendum.

oluwaahmed:
Let's do a referendum

Conduct it for them please and be fast about it

MaNyEsq:
This is is the most idiotic statement I have ever heard from a living being. Keep your presidency, the Igbos just want to be free and the ability to progress at their own pace and not be held back by lackluster SOBs. In life, you have two options, either you travel at your own pace and stay on the slow lane or increase your speed on the fast lane. But you can't be driving at a snail's speed on the fast lane and block fast-moving vehicles. The slow progress of Nigeria is mainly as a result of the moronic Fulani leadership hoisted on the country by the selfish British ever since independence. So, please, it's not even a choice, Igbos would take Bia-exit any time any day.

Biaexit should be now and not tomorrow, declare it eight away.

gidgiddy:
Then that means you dont know Igbos. Igbo people are democrats. No matter which Igbo accepted or rejected Biafra, they will all tell you that they are for a referendum to let majority decide. This is exactly the message of Nnamdi Kanu. It is Nigeria that is anti-democratic by insisting that everyone must accept "one Nigeria" wether they like it or not.



Laughable. If this Oil had been in the North, they would have declared "Arewa Republic" long before Ojukwu declared Biafra abd there would be nothing called Nigeria today.



If Nigeria got into a war with another country, most Igbos like me will see the country fighting Nigeria as those who have come to liberate us.

@1st statement, can you tell us or provide us with a link as to when you conducted a vote to determine that all Igbos want a referendum or maybe you mean IPOB members. Igbo leaders like Zik, Ironsi and Ojukwu should be blamed for one Nigeria so stop blaming other Nigerians.

@2nd, blame same Igbo leaders above

@3rd, use IPOB and stop equating both as same because you want to garner sympathy from other Nigerians.
IPOB knows it has soiled its name and is doing everything to attaché by force to the great Igbo identity.

gidgiddy:
Part of getting referendum is agitation and protest. It is through protest you let the whole world know that you want independence.

Nigeria has already signed up to the international laws that allows people the right to agitate for self determination. Article 20 of the AU convention has already allowed any group to agitate for referendum

If there was no right of self determination, Britain would still own Nigeria, they created it.

So any group can agitate for referendum and self determination without anything to show they are representing the people, as in, being elected by the people.
So a group of miscreants or motor park touts can wake up and carry placards demanding for referendum and they must be given?

Kanu lives in London I suppose, why is it difficult for for him to take a walk or ride to the parliament and speak to any MP to educate him on how they got a referendum and secession in their law?