₦airaland Forum

Emmydann:
Some of us do sch small.....u can't just drop noise like that.....u ought to have tell us the body of the agreement signed in ghana, so we know who go against it.......buttress your assertions with enough convincing facts please......

That one never learns no matter how much you try to drill some points into his skull, he'd still bring them up at one time or the other. All the half baked points he raised had been discussed extensively on nairaland and he's been schooled but he'd still bring them up.

Let him enjoy the 50th anniversary in peace with his lies he loves to surround himself with.

ezenwajosh:
Same you said all Igbo doesn't support Biafra


But you cry now every IgboIPOBian is shouting Biafra

Na so e be.

gidgiddy:
The presidency of Nigeria is not the most important thing to the Igbo nation at the moment, there are other things more important than that. Ohanaeze President, John Nwodo, said it clearly in a recent interview that an Igbo president who is operating under a "jaundiced" 1999 constitution, which nobody agreed to, would be useless.

The Presidency of Nigeria is only attractive to those who depend heavily on government. Buhari will be in office for 8 years but his NW zone has a much higher rate of crime, insecurity, illiteracy, underdevelopment and poverty than the SE. Not less than 3 Presidents have been produced by the NW yet they have an 80% poverty rate compared to less than 35% in the SE.

We have a constitution that did not originate from the people, we have a system of government that is defective, we claim to operate a federation when we dont, and all some people can think of is the Presidency of Nigeria that has never helped the common man on the streets

.....but you Atikulated in the last election, why did you when you already knew all this?

mrvitalis:
U give idiots ticket expect them to win

All those you voted under PDP had indeed turned the SE into a Dubai already.
You see yourself already, you call them idiots for contesting under APC but those contesting under PDP are saints, how would any diehard APC supporter from other parts of Nigeria take you serious with such a statement.

Continue digging the SE political grave, time will tell how you'd eventually fall into it with your miserly 5%.

mrvitalis:
Orji uzo was voted ,APC won his zone ...how was he repaid ?
Igbokwe ass licked tinubu for over 15 years what did he get .....SA on cutter ...not even commissioner ooh ...SA

Onu is well respected in the east no matter what

Virtually all positions up for grabs in the last election in the SE, APC contested both at the state and federal level, how many were won by APC?
People like Kenneth Okonkwo was booed and even his lfe was threatened for daring to contest under APC and I'm sure many who would've contested under APC couldn't any longer because they feared the backlash.

mrvitalis:
What has Yorubas done for 2023 that Igbo's have not done ....not even tinubu has declared yet its Igbo you would see

The onus is on the SE to lead in the quest to produce the next president since other regions have had a taste of it since 1999.
The SE should be seen seriously canvassing for the support of other Nigerians and not threatening them.
By now, while others are still making up their minds on who they would present, the SE ought to have settled that and already marketing the person to others and not blackmailing others into voting an Igbo.

helinues:
Attache? You should know we don't do that.

One of the important lessons I learned in life, when someone gossips about others in your presence, be rest assured that the person is also culpable of gossiping about you in your absence..

Make we leave trash for Lawma.. Sebi Una blind man dey wait for head knocking to know its raining abi?....

Leave those noise makers, they had forgotten that the SS are already making inroads into APC;
Deputy senate president,
APC national chairman,
A waiting governor,
Several APClegislators both at the state and national level etc,

The SE is still stuck with PDP and even having the guts to threaten others

mrvitalis:
And you guys open the amount of topic on naira land to talk about inconsequential people

Then you must be a dummy .....2023 is not far , south west can't even get APC ticket to start with

My own is when south loses presidency in 2023 let it be known south west greed cost it

Always begging for a position without putting any effort to fight for it, that's not politics.
Wait till 2023 before predicting the winner

mrvitalis:
The simple truth is this if Igbo's are not getting 2023 presidency its going north ,its that simple

Why reminding us about this threat after other Nigerians had given you their blessings long ago, are you scared of something or what?

Move your 5% to the north and stop threatening and blackmailing other Nigerians into nominating and voting an Igbo because you want it that way without fighting for it like other Nigerians.

mrvitalis:
The truth is without zoning and complete support of all the other zones in the south ....no southerner ...I repeat no southerner can be president

South south accepts its the turn of south east
Same with south east
Unless south west support Igbo's 2023 is going to the north ...no be by mouth

You had said it and threatened other Nigerians that it must zoned to the SE and failure to do that, you will be taking your 5% to the north and other Nigerians gave you their blessings to go ahead so why are you still threatening and reminding us?

mrvitalis:
The ones there who voted for them is it not same Igbo's ?

How many SE APC members were voted for? People like Joe Igbokwe, Ngige, Ogbonnaya Onu etc were appointed.
All were still booed by the SE because they pitched their tents with APC so how do you expect APC to take the SE serious?

mrvitalis:
Lol obasanjo is now Igbo right ?
Tinubu is now Igbo right ?

2011 is not to far we all know what happened ...saying Igbo's killed zoning is laughable

FYI, for the 1999 and 2003 general elections, power wasn't zoned to any geopolitical zone in PDP but it was in 2007 that it was implemented and the NW under late Yar'Adua being the first beneficiary.
It was unfortunately destroyed by SE politicians in 2011 because of GEJ.

0monnak0da:
I do not quite agree that calling for secession or referendum is treason or even unlawful?
MASSOB have been doing that for ever.
IPOB have crossed the line
What is unlawful is to seek that goal by force of arms.
There is nothing prohibiting the formation of a political prth to achieve that goal or to lobby elected representatives for a referendum.

In order to have a referendum an Act of the National Assembly would suffice.
However the outcome of such referendum may only have advisory force unless there is a constitutional change depending on whether the referendum issue requires constitutional change
In short if the correct legal framework is not in place the outcome may be unenforceable
Sometimes government has the power to carry out specific actions but chooses to take the matter to referendum a good example is BREXIT.
Even after that there was no legal duty to comply

You made some valid points there, thanks.
I for one wouldn't have accepted that a call for referendum to secede should be deemed a criminal act but it was signed into law by Ironsi as the military head of state and what was the reaction of the Igbos then, why did they keep quiet without condemning the act is still a big question today which most Igbos shy away from.
This is one of the sins he committed against the Nigerian state.

gidgiddy:
Yes Countries, not Nations, are created by force. They question is, why do they have to remain together by force? Especially after after the colonial masters have left? I personally believe that Britain should have conducted a referendum before they left in 1960, for everyone to decide if they want to continue with their colonial contraption called Nigeria, but they never did that.

Nations are created by consensus, and even after that nation is created, the constituent parts still reserve the right to agitate to opt out if they feel it is not working for them. Even our colonial masters, Britain, recognised that right when they gave Northern Ireland a referendum in 1971, and Scotland, in 2014. The very people who made you a "Nigerian" are not against breaking up because they are civilised.

But you they made a "Nigerian" is prepared to fight civil war, declare python dance, kill many people, over a simple matter others use referendum to settle. Thats because you are not civilised

The indigenous people of America you are talking about, America gave them "Reservations" where they exercise a high degree of autonomy and self rule so using them as an example is stupid

Stop talking about Zik, he is only one man, same as Nnamdi Kanu. Democracy is not based on what one person wants. Democracy is about what the majority wants. Thats why referendums are conducted to let people decide.

This is not about Nnamdi Kanu, this is about what me and my fellow Igbos want. Do the majority of Igbos want to be part if Nigeria or not? Only a referendum will answer that question.

Nnamdi Kanu is only agitating that such referendum be allowed and he is backed by Article 1 of the UN charter and Article 20 of the African charter that Nigeria has signed up to.

I already knew that your UN charter would eventually come up as usual, why not evoke it and declare your referendum and secession all at once.

You and other Igbos are now governed by laws equally signed by Igbos before independence, if the Igbos then weren't happy with the state of things then, they ought to have questioned their representatives they voted for. Whatever the Igbos signed then is binding on you today.

Zik was not the only representative the people of the old Eastern region voted for, there were other reps too so he wasn't running a one man show, who voted Kanu and IPOB to represent and speak for the Igbos?

Igbos have their states that are governed by Igbos, if you want any change to the status quo, you can still effect it diplomatically.

The Brits made you a Nigerian and Igbos of the time agreed to it so that makes you a Nigerian and if you don't like it, dump the Nigerian passport and go naturalise elsewhere.

Why not go to any component part of the US, France etc and say you want a referendum for secession since they're all democracies and everyone or group must have the right to opt in or out as they please?

mrvitalis:
Hypocrisy is when u want presidency to be zoned to south ,the zone that gave small votes to the point that even if u remove all the votes from south he still won

But is against it being zoned to south east because they have buhari low votes

North east gave buhari more votes than south combined so deserve it based on south west logic

If zoning is not to south east then its not zoning , the door is open for everyone to contest

Continue your zoning in the PDP that Igbo politicians destroyed earlier and let PDP zone the presidency to the SE, the SW and APC hasn't told you they are zoning

LabDNA:
Very good, Tinubu and his goons have now openly attacked the interest of the East in APC, he is saying that the Ngiges, Ogbonnayas, Amaechis, Ositas, Igbokwes in APC are all slaves who should not be voted for, abi when is the right time for an Easterner to lead, after SW have ruled from 1999-2007 if not now.

I think he is fair game to be thrown under the bus by the SE SS region. If him and his greed will prevail, I pray he gets the ticket and then face a Northern candidate+ SE+ SS region in PDP, which he can't survive, even Awolowo who was more reputable than him couldn't survive against such alliance.

If the ticket can't come East, then it means there is no zoning, and the North can also contest and keep it. More reason I've always maintained that PDP must wait for APC to zone their ticket before picking their candidate.

May God keep us alive till 2023.

Can't the SE do anything without attaching to others?

DMerciful:
Where in Nigeria are you from? I wanna know if your from a minority tribe that's afraid of where their fate will lie when Nigeria eventually balkanize

Promise me that it would get you your Biafra and I'll tell you, a promise from me. Derailing anyway

DMerciful:
But he could speak for himself na? Who is patronizing him now?
Oh, because you dont want Oduduwa republic,
you wanna act as stumbling block? Pikin wey say him mama nor go rest himself nor go rest. If you do not see the influx of Igbos in the SW as a threat, dey there.....until you become minority in Lagos!

Did he tell you he wanted Oduduwa republic? Why not declare and get your Biafra from Lagos, make sure you add it into the map of Biafra so that other Nigerians can evacuate the place for Biafrans, you are boring me already abeg.

DMerciful:
But did you support massob then inspite of their peaceful nature? They were also criticized by Lagos-Ibadan press! You are saying massob never insulted anybody, but if Igbos leave IPOB and embrace massob, massob becomes your new enemy!

Declare and get your Biafra first before you start derailing and boring me with unnecessary stories, get Biafra now so we all can rest

DMerciful:
I did not fight in the last war but sometimes sacrifice needs to be made if necessary. Americans in all their might loose soldiers in the middle east but they are still there. 6 millions Jews were killed but today Israel is a powerful nation. How many Germans died in the first and second world wars? Before going to those wars, surely they had seen wars before but when its necessary, its necessary. Who die remain nai be first born!

Fine and cool, declare your Biafra already and you can become the first casualty and Nigerian on both sides would celebrate you as a hero

DMerciful:
I dont know if you're from SW but if you say nobody is happy, is that not enough reason to self determine? Oyo state alone is bigger than many European countries so what's the issue here? Why dont you see Biafra as a way of achieving Oduduwa republic when you have Lagos as an economic hub, oil in lagos and indo and other resources which guarantees that SW will be atleast 3 times more successful than it is today. I like the Southwesterners but their seeming reluctance to independence or change is worrying.
The reason there may be war if Biafra is declared is if Oduduwa, middle belt are unable to declare same time. Declare same time and the military looses the power to fight!

Why are you patronizing him, did he tell you he wanted Oduduwa republic? You want your Igbo Biafra, why not go all out for it instead of trying to bring the SW and middle belt into it, thank God that this time you didn't pull in the SS as usual.

Funny thing is that you know you can't go it alone and that's why you must do attaché to one region or the other and insulting them same time.
I recommend Boko Haram for you, they are the only group that could be of help in this your trying times.

DMerciful:
So you never heard of Massob during Obj presidency? IPOB is a group with greater determination than massob that's why they have greater support in Biafra land. The agitation for Biafra is driven by marginalization of Easterners. If a friendly govt is in power like Yaradua, then there is a sense of belonging.

MASSOB didn't go about insulting other Nigerians and calling for death for them and that was why the group was never proscribed till date and designated a terrorist group unlike IPOB and Kanu who preached hate and death for other Nigerians thereby jeopardizing the safety of Igbos all over the country

DMerciful:
You seems to be more afraid of war than the people who actually fought
war. Why so?

Afraid when I know I'm only trying to correct some misconceptions a generation younger than the indomie generation
have about the last war especially those who had never taken part in a riot or protest, those I know when given a catapult to aim at a sitting duck or chicken would be scared, a generation who I know that their parents might be too young to have experienced the last war, a generation who feel they can be sitting in the comfort of their beds and updating their pages on social media while shelling and bullets are flying over their heads, a generation I know who feel that a war is just like a game on their mobile devices and they can determine who wins and loses and when game starts and ends?



Did you fight in the last war?

0monnak0da:
When Jonathan was in power they did not want Bafta.
The moment they lost out they started the agitation.

Without giving thought to the consequences or the price that they would have to pay for this behaviour
If they want to be taken seriously talk and act rationally like adults.
If you want to be taken seriously then a t seriously
Everytime you lose out you bring up Biafra like it is a game or like you are most disadvantaged.
No one is happy but we must act rationally

Pathetic indeed, before GEJ lost, 99.9% didn't know who Kanu or IPOB was, immediately he lost, Biafra became their anthem.
2019, before Atiku lost, they forgot about Biafra and immediately he lost they remembered their first love Biafra again.
IPOB is just messing up with their brains and I only pity genuine and hardworking Igbos who could be caught in between if anything happens.

DMerciful:
Nigeria will self destruct then the constituents will be free. One of these continually rigged elections that will not favour the West or the North might just be the trigger. The Easterners are ever ready waiting for the right time.

Let it self destruct first before you start jubilating for your Igbo Biafra, Akwacross and old Rivers are not part of it.

DMerciful:
You have demonstrated intelligence but its beneath you to think that a Nigerian president of Igbo extraction can grant Biafra. No Nigeria president has such powers. Biafra land is never conquered, the only legitimate govts Nigeria has ever had are the democratic govts, all the actions done under Gowon and military in general are illegitimate because they were illegitimate governments! As far as we know, we must go back to the 1963 constitution else back to 1967 Biafra.

You going back to the 1963 constitution requires your state house of assembly before the national assembly so you would need to start from your representative.

Getting back to 1967 Biafra is asking for another war and would be Igbo Biafra just like in 1967 but this time, more brutal.

DMerciful:
USSR broke up without firing a shot because everybody was tired of the union! Now the question is why is everybody not tired of this contraption despite obvious stagnation? Even a blind man knows Nigeria is not working, so why trying to whip a dead horse? As at when Biafra was declared, the Eastern block was one region and one state so Biafra couldn't have been declared otherwise!
You are trying to be clever by half. You know democratic means in Nigeria to achieving Biafra is a cul-de-sac yet you are advocating that route.
Nigerians seems to think Igbos achieving Biafra
is like eventually winning the 1967 civil war and if that is the fear, it will surely come, it's a matter of time. Nigeria is too unstable to be one country for a long time!

Have you asked yourself how the USSR managed to break into 11republics without a single bullet shot? The reason for the breakup was far from what you gave as the reason, did you know that most of them were independent countries before they merged and the agreements they had if they are to break up?

Have you asked yourself how former Yugoslavia had to go into years of war and killings before they finally broke up and the whole world rested? Do you know that most of the countries were parts of other empires and kingdoms before they merged? Do you even know why they merged?

Have you asked yourself why countries like the US, Russia, China, Nigeria, France and virtually every country in the world don't have any referendum for secession in their constitutions but Canada, UK, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland etc do have it?

You'd need to study different countries and their history to know how they evolved in their sociopolitical history to know this and that's what I'd advice you to do so you can understand more.

Nigeria would've been a country with that in our constitution but read and study our sociopolitical history to know why it was jettisoned and by who.

Any part of the country that still wants out still has the opportunity but there's a path to follow in order to get it into the constitution and failure to do so, your Igbo Biafra would be annihilated this time with maybe over 30 million dead from different causes(God forbid it and that is IF you follow due process).

Get your Biafra by;
1) Diplomatic process,

OR


2) War.

Pick one.

enemybulldozer:
I think gidgiddy was referring to you. Maybe you should take time to read his post again.

gidgiddy I gave the advice to had maybe noted it and you are not him nor can speak for him so move to the next bus stop.

gidgiddy:
Our forefathers never signed up to Nigeria. Never was was a referendum held in which Igbos were given the option becoming Nigerians. The Nigeria we gave today was the making of the British. In 1960, the British colony called Nigeria assumed self rule and adopted a constitution.

There is no such thing as anyone signing up to Nigeria, what the ethnic nationalities signed up to was independence and self rule from Britain.

The same way the British forced everyone into a colonial contraption called "Nigeria" just for their selfish interests, is the same way some sections are forcing others to remain in the colonial contraption called Nigeria, also for their selfish interests

Nigeria has remained what it since the days the British created, just another system to exploit people

Were the likes of Zik, Awo and Bello selected by the British or elected by the people of their regions to represent them? They were leader of their parties meaning there were other members elected by the people to represent them and whatever they say means the people agree with their representatives

If the people of the old Eastern region decided not to sign up to Nigeria, it should've been up to their representatives to mention it to the Brits and since the people didn't do such, it means they were in agreement with the British.

When Zik refused referendum and secession in the constitution, why didn't the people of the old Eastern region revolt against him? When he refused the de-amalgamation of the country, why didn't the people of the old Eastern region revolt too? This only goes to show that the people agreed with their representatives and of course the Brits too.

So why blaming the Brits only when the leaders and people of the old Eastern region had all the power to right the wrongs of the Brits? Why crying the victims when the leaders and people of the old Eastern region brought about the calamity this country is presently in, Ironsi and Ojukwu finally nailed the coffin with their poor judgment of events.

SmartyPants:
These issues have been going on before the border closure so it's nothing to do with ripple effects.

First, there is a law in Ghana that prohibits retail trade by foreigners. Nigerians are heavily involved in the retail trade however, citing free trade principles under ECOWAS protocols.

Secondly, the Ghanaian government is inactive on the issue, providing an administrative claw back to the application of the law, probably for diplomatic reasons.

GUTA is taking the law into their hands by closing Nigerian-owned shops which they are not empowered to do by law.

These are the issues.

Exactly, closure of Nigerian owned shops has nothing to do with the border closure, it has been happening even before Buhari became the president.

Ghana already has her local laws pertaining retailing by locals and foreigners and I believe Nigerians over there should abide by their rules or leave to other countries or at most return back to Nigeria, simple.

enemybulldozer:
You're just running around like a headless chicken. Your posts are usually full of lies and propaganda I don't just know why you always do that, maybe to save face when cornered.

The truth remains that, when the jihadists in Abuja wanted sharia law, they did not go to the national assembly or call for referendum or call for votes rather, the twelve sharia states went outside the nigger-arean constitution and agreed and introduced sharia law. So, I don't see the reason why you Afonjas choose to fight Ipob who have chosen to ply that same rooth.

OK, go and get the referendum then, just ask the Jihadists how they went about it
Hope no quarrelling about that idea and nobody is fighting IPOB's strategy

gidgiddy:
IPOB may be a terrorist organisation to your Nigerian government, the rest of the world dont see them as such, unless you think the rest of the world are fools and your Nigerian government are the ones with sense. The same sense in which they classify an unarmed organisation as terrorists and the armed killer herdsmen as nice people to roll out Ruga for.


The funny thing about all this is why would any Yoruba be interested in Biafra agitation? It has nothing to do with them so why drink panadol over another persons headache? Even if the Biafran agitators have no strategy and are wasting their time, its their business

If any Yoruba group started agitation for Oduduwa Republic, no Igbo eould care about, it is not their business. But if Nnamdi Kanu waves a Biafran flag in 5he East, a Yoruba man in Ibadan will start foaming at the mouth.

S9meone who had not been able to use his elected officials to get restructuring is advising Igbos to use their elected officials to get referendum

The guy you quoted was absolutely right in his assertion, take your time and read his post but this time slowly.