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[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=775823.msg9285118#msg9285118 date=1317881290]Get your approval first and i will know if i will open or not.perhaps,i will need to get a fire extinguisher cuz of this fire stuff.[/quote]You don't need an extinguisher, the fire Sango breath is harmless to all would be account holders.

The earlier you open an account the better.

I am saddened at the passing too soon of a true creative genius. His impact on the world of technology and information/communication was and is immense. Rest in peace, Mr. Jobs. You were one of a kind.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=775823.msg9285073#msg9285073 date=1317880370]Lmao
Do you breathe fire like sango sir ?[/quote]Bluetooth, yes i do. When are you opening an account with us?

Jenny20:
@OP - No be me and u. . . cos anybody wey make deposit 4 dis 'bank', na 4 hell e go make withdrawal.

You dey fear?

tyson55:
*Headache* caused by rib-crackin laughta. . . . Guy u r Wicked!. Last left toe of a cockroach?!, beard of a mosquito?!! Haba!. . . . .why not add right scrotum of a wild buffalo? LWKMD!

Relax. The bank go soon reach ur 'area'. . .

As our CBN Governor sat down to invent Islamic Banking for Nigerians and the President of CAN also thought of Christian Banking, I have also taken time to conduct a survey and came up with Traditional Banking for Nigeria. It will be the simplest and yet the most secured and complicated way of trusting and keeping your money with us. The name of the bank nationwide will be SANGO Bank of Nigeria (SBN).

Your money will be transported spiritually to any destination of your choice (even abroad and overseas). OPC will be the chief security at all bank locations in the southwest, Egbesu in the south south, MASSOB in the southeast and Boko Haram in the north. No need for ATM when you can just sit at home and send or receive your money by reciting some incantation on a piece of red cloth stuffed in a cow horn. The following documents will be required to start banking with us immediately: (1) the beards of a young mosquito (2) the left last toe of a cockroach (3) three strains of a lion's hair (4) a snake's egg (5) five drums of palm oil (6) six yards of white cloth. We also offer internet banking for the yahoo fans. For more enquires, please visit our website: www.sangobankng.com or call Obatala on 08032601200. We promise to serve you best even after your departure.

Thank you.

On a serious note, I don't know if she's innocent or not but I find it really irritating whenever I hear about Americans going to foreign countries & going into areas they shouldn't be in (Iran hikers) or hanging out with shady people (Amanda Knox). Granted these foreign gov'ts are shady as well but you & I would at least have enuff sense to stay away from certain areas or getting involved with the wrong ppl. People like Amanda act like they're still in the U.S. & can do whatever the heck they please. If these ppl don't want to end up in some hell hole prison for several yrs, held as a hostage or wind up dead, they should either start using better sense or keep their butts at home. My sympathy only goes so far for dumb people.

It was a good thing they set her free, i was going to have Bush Jr add Italy to the "Axis of Evil"

How North sidelines S/West in civil service * No South Westerner in top ten of federal protocol





Notwithstanding the constitutional inviolability of the Federal Character Principle, which provides that no section of the country will be perpetuated in office above the other in a determined effort at ensuring equity, balance and fairness in the sharing of the nation's resources, investigations have shown that the South-West geopolitical zone has consistently been shortchanged in the application of Federal character over the years.



Incidentally, the fault is not traceable to lack of competent hands by the zone; rather, investigations revealed that the zone has always presented its best and the best hands for the job at hand.


Sources confirmed that a cabal in the Federal Civil Service, working hand in hand with some influential forces in the Federal Civil Service Commission (FCSC) and the National Assembly Service Commission (NASC) has combined to consistently execute an agenda against candidates of the South-West.


Three instances stand out

Of the myriads of infraction against candidates of the South-West, three major appointments in recent history stand out. The appointment of the Auditor-General of the Federation (AGF) in 2009, the appointment of the Clerk of the National Assembly (CNA) in 2010 and the appointment of the new Head of Service of the Federation to replace Professor Oladapo Afolabi, who retired on September 29, are the classic instances of direct marginalisation of the South-West in the Federal Civil Service.


Somehow, the instances of marginalis- ation were orchestrated by forces believed to be working for the interest of the North.


Only last week, President Goodluck Jonathan appointed the replacement for Professor Afolabi from the North-East zone, contrary to widespread indication that the president was set to appoint a candidate from the South-West, in line with the desired balancing act in the federation as designed by the constitution.


Taking the Head of Service post to the North-East, the Federal Government has, thus, completed the routing of the South-West from the top 10 of the federal protocol, the zone having earlier lost the number four slot allotted to it by the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) through some insider connivance traceable to the politics of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN), which won majority of the House of Representatives seats from the zone.


In 2009, activities were flagged off when it was discovered that the two most senior directors in the office of Auditor-General of the Federation, Mr. Gabriel Ogunsina and Mr. Timothy Osonuga are from the South-West. By the rule guiding the service from independence, the two were supposed to take office one after the other.


But the unseen hands that wanted to the two South-West candidates invented a policy which indicates that the Auditor-General position could be advertised and the age classification contained in the advert deliberately sidelined the two, apparently to sideline them.


The administration of President Umaru Yar'Adua, which adopted the policy, in November 2009, forwarded the name of the then Auditor-General of Benue State, Samuel Ukura, to the Senate for confirmation, thus, striking out the two most senior directors in the office who had risen to positions of second and third in command to the Auditor-General at the time.


Read on. . . .http://odili.net/news/source/2011/oct/2/622.html

Frazy:
People who don't believe in God get nothing when they die, if they are right. People who do believe in God get nothing if they are wrong. People who don't believe in God have a serious problem if they're wrong, whereas people who do believe in God get heaven if they are right. I think logic says God is the safer bet. One has from nothing to real bad, the other has from nothing to real good. Do the math on that.

If you truly believe in a god then you must agree with some basic principles. First, that a god is perfect. Second, that sending someone to hell for not believing is vengeful. Third, that vengeance is a sin. Fourth, that sin is an imperfection. Fifth, that a god cannot be both perfect and vengeful. Lastly, that for a god to exist then lack of faith cannot result in eternal damnation.

divine2043:
Many posts of relationships on nairaland tend to have a similar denominator 'women and demands'. Actually, not all ladies are the same when it comes to making demands. Culture has a lot to do with this. The thing is not to marry a liability - be it a man or a woman. Do not also marry a selfish person - man or woman.

One truth which may be bitter to swallow is that from experience, a high percentage of Nigerian ladies are easily taken at the sight of money.

WELL SAID BRO!

@OP - Whatever Rocks your boat. Carry go, nothing do you.

Nope. Faith requires a belief in something without evidence to support it. Not believing in something because there's no evidence to support it, is the opposite of faith not just a different version of faith.

Most people makes the mistake of assuming atheism is based *entirely* on a random decision not to believe in deities. Most atheists didn't just decide not to believe in gods, they saw substantial empirical evidence that directly contradicts every single claim made by every religion on the planet and then moved to the logical conclusion that the religions based on verifiably false information are, more likely than not, wrong.

Just because someone is revered and a lot of people believe in them doesn't make them real or even good. There was a time when everyone thought the planet was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Just because everyone believed it did not make it true.

@claremont - I have always liked your responses and intellect. We seems to be on the same wave Lent.

So, Can you engage this dude and give your input as you seems fit on this thread? Coz, i have to go to work. Thanks.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-768208.0.html

"The Wager just implies that you cannot lose the "Bet" if you bet all you have that God exists"

I just explained to you, you can. Because there are thousands of other religions who have different rules on how to get to their version of heaven. You are also disqualifying the possibility of a God who would reward atheists and punish theists.

"You are committing the Fallacy of a Bad Analogy with the Chimney. A Creator being an illogical concept defies linear logic. The universe is therefore God for you?"

And I say if you start arguing with something that is illogical then all bets are off. I could come up with any illogical explanation for the beginning of the universe. What is the difference between God making the universe and the chimney puffing the universe into existence? This chimney is also outside space and time and also breaks your rules.

Anyway. I don't think we would agree on this one. It seems like you are not getting my points and I might not be getting your points. But I appreciate the lively debate. I have to go to work 

White007:
Logic require both Deductive and Inductive, Analytical and Synthetic, A Priori and A Posteriori thought.

Require(S)

That is From Hawking's own mouth.

You are committing the Fallacy of a Bad Analogy with the Chimney. A Creator being an illogical concept defies linear logic. The universe is therefore God for you? The universe creating itself is unsound and invalid circular reasoning akin, again, to reducing the causes for creation to infinity. A dog is another facetious attempt. Violating my rules? They are the rules of logical argument. Now you are indulging a Straw Man: To Contortion the argument into your rogue brand of sophomoric legalities. Something is Creator and the effects of the creator is creation(Something). God being outside/independent of that creation(universe). God is not Infinity itself but he is infinite-do not confuse the two. Nothing, does not exist by definition. What you suggest is the very etymology of the word "NO THING" therefore there would be nothing and you and I would not be debating and speculating. Nature of God v.s. Existence of God is an Apples and Oranges comparison. Perhaps a Venn Diagram or Boolean Loops might help to establish validity in your mind. The Wager just implies that you cannot lose the "Bet" if you bet all you have that God exists.

White007:
It just occurred to me that I may have miscommunicated and you misunderstood the reasoning behind the 10^53 Billions of years for life to spontaneously occur. That would be the very definition of impossibility, given that the universe is estimated only to be 14 Billion years old. Therefore, life would require a Catalyst in some opinions and a Creator in mine. That was my example of a mathematical certainty indicating a creator, if not requiring one.

You'e arguing from ignorance again. Just because something seems complicated, doesn't mean there is a creator. You are positing an illogical being. I say you can't just do that. Because I can posit any illogical being in place of your God and your argument will stay true. You have completely missed the point of the mystical chimney. You can attribute all the effects that you attribute to god to the mystical chimney. It doesn't have to be a mystical chimney. If you think we're just anthropomorphic things. It could be something completely alien us. And no, I don't believe in cartoons, and I don't believe in God.

"God exists with the nature, qualities or characteristics of God which cannot be deduced."

How do you differentiate that from just nature?

" From a position of human ignorance and knowledge, you are ascribing human limitations and conditions onto an agency that necessarily transcends what it created in the first place."

How else are we supposed to know anything but through our eyes? You can't just say.

"Oh you're too human to understand."

But that is the only way we know how to understand.

"God is not only is in what he creates but independent of it."

How do you know if you've never seen or touch him? How can you claim to know something about something you do not understand yourself? Have you spoken to him? You sure make a lot of claims about God without any proof. For the sake of argument. Let's say he's real. How do you then go about making those claims?

White007:
10^53 billions is from some of Drakes estimations and Stephen Hawking's own math which he now violates with his current "something from nothing" hypothesis. 14 Billions years for age of universe is universally accepted in the Cosmology community. Something=Creator. "Nothing" speaks for itself, well, it doesn't because it is "nothing". Simplest explanation has the highest probability for being the best/most correct explanation. Have you tried Pascal's Wager in addition to all this? More of an expedient reason to believe in a creator. If you can posit all of these causes can you posit an intellect greater than mankind's?

Stephen Hawking has nothing to do with biology?

The fact remains you are violating your own rules. You cannot posit an illogical being to answer a logical question. There are two possibilities either God came from nothing or God is infinite which violates your rules. God is not a logical concept. Therefore you can posit anything illogical (like the mystical chimney) and still satisfy your argument. God is not the simplest explanation. What about the Universe creating itself? What about a dog creating the universe?

Pascal's wager is faulty because there are million of religions out there and they can't all be true. It also assumes that there is a hell and a heaven.

It also assumes that God isn't someone who would reward atheists and punish theists.

White007:
Positing "Mystical Chimneys" is facetious and not worthy of debate. No Explanation is something came from nothing or reducing causes to infinity which is illogical.

Positing: absence of proof is proof of absence, is illogical. Postulating that something does not exist without evidence is illogical. Therefore, proving a negative is illogical.

"No explanation is something came from nothing or reducing causes to infinity which is illogical"

Where does God come from?

"Absence of proof is proof of absence"

I'm saying all the proof that you think applied to God can also apply to the Mystical Chimney.

White007:
@ Aringarosa - You can only posit a myriad of explanations for existence. A plethora of explanations violates Occums Razor. The lunatic could really believe E comes before or should come before D and after B and C does not exist. I could state that you do not believe G exists for obvious reasons. Positing that something does not exist is the definition of ill Logic. You have not proved a negative, you only have offered alternative explanations which are more complicated and unwieldy.

White007:
Not poking fun my friend, I withdraw the comment. "I may disagree with what you have to say but will defend to the death your right to say it" -Thoreau? I think Aquinas, Augustine and even Aristotle in his "Ethics" had valid arguments. Eliciting Potential in pursuit of Virtue by practicing for it's own sake. Evolution is a biological process explaining conducive mutations within the surviving species either coinciding and/or in response to a given changing environment. It does not explain an originating cause for life. It is only potential actualized from DNA. The variables and factors necessary for the four Aminos to form and couple into DNA is amazing enough but their assembly for a directed purpose is extraordinary. 10^53 Billions of years for that to occur which is a number, for all practical purposes, infinity. The universe is only 14 Billion. Something comes from something and nothing comes from nothing. The permutations of Accident, Chance or Luck do not occur in a perfect Vacuum or Nothingness for that matter.

The capacity for Metaphysical thought is what separates Man from the rest of nature. The ability to commune with God would be a mutation that serves no purpose in your universe. Even the concept of God serves no purpose for you, yet it exists, why? It should not exist in the surviving species.

Complexity doesn't always require intelligence. Where did you get the data that it takes 10^53 billion years for Aminos to assemble for a directed purpose? And how would you make such a calculation? Can't they just theoretically assemble.

"Something comes from something and nothing comes from nothing"

wouldn't positing a God violate these two things? Why can't I then posit anything else that violates these. If you're going to violate you own rules, why can't we violate yours?

White007:
^^^Patently false claim not supported by any clinical evidence that you so require. Maybe in the alternate universe he thinks he visits sometimes, he is not sure he brushed his teeth? To maintain a position/claim one must have a rationale for the judgement, if not then that position is irrational. Proving nothing is just that; is unsound, invalid logic/reasoning. You are assuming that creation is reduced to infinity and have no proof to support the claim you make. At least I can point to Teleological evidence of Design for my claim. You possess nothing concrete.

White007:
Why invoke a mythical place conjured by a Christian(Tolkien)? Irony? What is your answer to the Epicurean Model?

I'm not assuming anything. I perfectly satisfied with admitting I don't know where the Universe came from. Your argument is an argument from ignorance. Just because you have no explanation why the Universe is this way, you posit a God. There could be millions of other answers to the question. There could be a mystical chimney that puffed the world into existence for all we know. Positing a God without evidence of the actual being, "God" is illogical.

I know plenty of crazy people who lie to me all the time. They know they are lying. Haven't you realized that one can be crazy about one thing and not everything else? The person who thinks he is Napoleon can still know the ABCs. And him saying that E is the third letter in the alphabet, is lying?

I'm not familiar with Epicurean Model.

I'm a big fan of his books. Is there really a point in poking fun of it if you actually had valid arguments?

White007:
Can a Lunatic believe in lie? Lunatics believe in untruths all the time. I think your logic is a little fuzzy. The human mind is not that bifurcated. I hinted at on of the proofs, well two: You cannot reduce the causes of creation to infinity and you cannot prove a negative. The proofs you seek are not mine-read Thomas Aquinas.

The fact still remains. Lunatics Can and do lie knowing fully well they are lying. They just don't recognize that they are crazy. For example, a crazy person can think he's Napoleon. That crazy person can lie if I ask him a trivial question like "did you brush your teeth?"

You are assuming there is a creation and there is a cause for that creation.
You can prove a negative.

White007:
Lying and Lunacy are mutually exclusive because lying requires the liar to be cognizant of the lying. You are reducing the causes of creation to infinity.

A crazy person has the capability of lying knowing fully well he is lying. He just doesn't recognize that he is crazy. You still haven't provided me with any of your mathematical certainties.

White007:
According to Lee Strobel and Louis Carroll, Christ was one of three things: a Lunatic, a Liar or the Lord. No other options are available logically. Make your choice. Since there are more than two choices, it is not a faulty dilemma or False Alternatives Fallacy. It is an axiomatic fact that Jesus existed, it is up to you to discern whom he was. Faith and Logic are not mutually exclusive. There are mathematical certainties that indicate Jesus Christ was God.

What mathematical certainties?

If Jesus did in fact existed and I see no evidence of any of his miracles, what do you think my conclusion will be? a Lunatic, a Liar or the Lord

^^^ i could have done that, i wanted to go step by step so its clearer

Given: bat + ball = 1.10 or x + y = 1.10 where
x = cost of bat
y = cost of ball
x = y + 1.00

Solution: x + y = 1.10
(y + 1.00) + y = 1.10
y + 1.00 + y = 1.10
2y+1.00 = 1.10
2y = 1.10 - 1.00
2y = 0.10
y = 0.05
Ball costs $0.05.

(CBS/AP) BAY MINETTE, Ala. - Authorities say non-violent offenders in southern Alabama will have a new choice: Go to jail, or go to church every Sunday for a year.

CBS News affiliate WKRG-TV in Mobile reports that Operation Restore Our Community begins next week.


The city judge in Bay Minette will let misdemeanor offenders choose to work off their sentences in jail and pay a fine; or go to church every Sunday for a year.

If offenders select church, they'll be allowed to pick the place of worship but must check in weekly with the pastor and police.

If the one-year church attendance program is completed, the offender's case will be dismissed.

Bay Minette Police Chief Mike Rowland says the program could change the lives of people heading down the wrong path. So far, 56 churches are participating.

Dare-devil armed robbers numbering about 50 yesteday staged a commando attack on four banks located at Oke-Odo Iwo, Osun State, carting away millions of naira.


The robbers who arrived the sleepy town at about 9 a.m. used explosives to blast the security doors of the banks.

The attack on the four banks located near the Bowen University, claimed the life of a police Inspector, Christopher Atama.

Daily Sun gathered that the robbers who came in three buses and a mazda car, cornered Atama while the other policemen on duty fled. Some policemen allegedly left their weapons behind when they were overpowered by the robbers. The state Commissioner of Police, Mr. Solomon Olusegun confirmed the death of the officer and loss of weapons.”

“He said: it is true that about 50 armed bandits attacked some banks in Iwo. Ten policemen were on the ground when they arrived and once we got the information, another team was raced to reinforce them. Gun battle ensued and they fled. “We are on their trail and they will soon be arrested. We will also recover our stolen arms. Members of the public should join us by giving us useful information about criminals.”

Residents of Iwo hurriedly closed their doors as they thought the invasion was by Boko Haram sect.

The deafening noise of the explosives accompanied by sporadic shootings triggered sending of Save Our Soul (SOS) especially by the students of the Bowen University.

“We thought Boko Haram has made good its threat to bomb universities. Many of us started making calls and sending text messages pleading for protection and prayers,” Tope, a student at the university disclosed.

The General Secretary of Nigerian Baptist Convention/Visitor to Bowen University ,Dr. Olasupo Ayokunle and the university’s Vice Chancellor, Prof. Timothy Olagbemiro said no student or member of staff was killed or injured in the attack.

“I got series of conflicting reports this morning about the armed robbery attack at Iwo.I came from Ibadan to see things for myself. Thank God, nobody is injured in the campus. Normal activities of the school is not affected,” Ayokunle said. Apart from the four banks, a storey building housing Nigerian Association of Patent Medicine Dealers (NAPMED).Iwo/Ayedire/Ola-Oluwa chapter was riddled with bullets.

The Chairman of the association, Mr. Lukman Oseni said the misfortune came their way because the policemen always sit in front of the building.

Atama was killed in front of the building and his blood splattered all over the ground floor while bullets destroyed many belongings of the association. The slain police officer’s son ,Chinedu was inconsolable when he was met at the Divisional Police Station.

“My Dad must not die. I saw him this morning and he did not say he will never return. Where’s my dad? Dad where are you?It’s not true. Atama is not dead,”he wailed. Commercial activities in the town were adversely affected as other banks refused to open after the attack.

http://odili.net/news/source/2011/sep/23/511.html

Single women often complain that “all the good men are taken,”  if “this perception is really based on the fact that taken men are perceived as good or responsible,” that will be left for another day.