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TAO11:
Hahahahaha!!!

You appear very defeated with your lie and frustration.

Anyways I am always here to school you.

First, nowhere did I state to you that Egheravba writes that the banished prince went to found Ife.


For the sake of relieving your confusion, what I wrote was that Egharevba notes in his works that the Prince was banished from Benin (then Igodomigodo) to Ughoton.


I added that (unlike others like Omoregie and Oba Erediauwa who said that the banished prince later went to become king Odudduwa in Ife), Egharevba notes in his works that Ekaladerhan did not leave Ughoton at all because he later died there.

[I am assuming you can read English].


Regarding the evidence for whether or not Egharevba really stated that the Prince Ekaladerhan was truly banished from Benin to Ughoton; see quote and screenshot below:


"... His only heir, Ekaladerhan, who would have succeeded him had earlier been exiled to Ughoton ..."

see: J. U. Egharevba A Short History of Benin, (1968). cited in "The Origin of Eweka Dynasty", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria pp. 22 -23.

You are a fraud, show me Egharevba book where he assert that Ekallerdahan is our prince.

You are showing me rubbish writing by a Yoruba man AKINOLA.

I have all his books here with me, show me

Snap the page in Egharevba book and show me

TAO11:
Hahahahaha!!!

You appear very defeated with your lie and frustration.

Anyways I am always here to school you.

First no where did I st to you that Egheravba writes that the banished prince went to found Ife.


For the sake of relieving your confusion, what I wrote was that Egharevba notes in his works that the Prince was banished from Benin (then Igodomigodo) to Ughoton.

I added that (unlike others like Omoregie and Oba Erediauwa who said the banished prince later went to become king Odudduwa in Ife), Egharevba notes in his works that Ekaladerhan didn't leave Ughoton at all because he later died there.

[I am assuming you can read English].


For the evidence of whether or not Egharevba really stated that the Prince Ekaladerhan was truly banished from Benin to Ughoton; see quote and screenshot below:

"... His only heir, Ekaladerhan, who would have succeeded him had earlier been exiled to Ughoton ..."

see: J. U. Egharevba A Short History of Benin, (1968). cited in "The Origin of Eweka Dynasty", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria pp. 22 -23.

There is no name called Ekallerdahan in our land.

It is a fictitious character invented by Eradiawa, the only guy that was banished in our land to Ughoton is Ogiso Awodo. Who they are fraudulently claiming is the father of Ekelerdahan.

Ogiso Awodo died childless, the reason we banished him to Ughoton is because he executed a pregnant woman. We later called him back.

Ughoton is the ancestral home of the Urhobos, they took him in, Urhobos is one of our clam.

TAO11:
You weren't paying attention because I already cited it.

I will cite it again though because you've obviously become quite humble.

see: J. U. Egharevba, A Short History of Benin, 1968. as well as every other English edition of the original 1933 Edo work: Ekhere Vb Itan Edo

You are bloody liar

I have all his books here with me snap the page and show me where he said we banished a prince who went to found ife

TAO11:
This one obviously does not know what he is doing. L

Pay attention and let me then educate you:

Benin history states that a certain prince Ekaladerhan was banished from Benin (then Igodomigodo) to Ughoton.

All Bini historians including Egharevba (1933) and the redactionist Omoregie (c. 1970), as well as those who came after them all agree with that.

The difference between Egharevba (the first Edo historian) and all those who cane after him from Omoregie till date is that:

While Egharveba mentions clearly that no Benin prince became king in Ife, other Binis starting from Omoregie (1970) all insist that prince Ekalderhan after being banished to Ughiton later found his way to Ile-Ife to become king Oduduwa there.

So, now think again: who us the liar and fraud?

Chief Egharevba who states clearly that prince Ekaladerhan did not leave Ughoton where he died OR S. B. Omoregie et al. who insist that the Bini prince became king Oduduwa in Ife.


Ignorance and arrogance is the cause of your present self influcted injury.

Lol

Which book did Egharevba state that Ekaladerhan was banished from our land?

TAO11:
Please point out where I said Omoregie is THE FIRST HISTORIAN OF YOUR LAND.

I said Omoregie is the first

You read my message again, I said Jacob is the first historian of our land. If there was anything like Ekallerdahan he would have stated it in many of his publications, which Oba Eradiawa later destroyed his works.

Omoregie is a fraud

TAO11:
You keep proving me right again and again that you're very ignorant.

S. B. Omoreige whose account I have related above is an Edo historian.

Not only that, he is the first Edo historian to ingeniously come up with the "apocryphal" account of how a certain prince Ekaladerhan miraculously made his way to became king in Ife after been banished from Igodomigido.

So, please tell me more about how Omoreige is a liar.

Omoreige is liar?

Yes he is, there is no prince called Ekaladerhan banished in our land that went to found Ife. Oduduwa is not from our land, he is from Mecca and I have explained that already here.

The fraudulent history he wrote ordered by Oba Erediawa for supremacy reason. I am a direct descendant of Ogiso, I know my history more than those Orominyan descendants.

This is the primary reason why am here to expose some deep truth overtime as I gather my Igodomigodo children.



S. B. Omoreige is not the first historian of our land, Jacob Egbarevba is the first historian. He published the short history of Benin in 1935. In that book there is nothing like Ekallerdahan there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_U._Egharevba

TAO11:
In response to you ignorant and unsubstantiated claim that "Edo people has [sic] nothing to do the with Ife except ...":

An ancient Edo tradition on the origin of the Edos found in S. B Omoreige's "Edo History" --- an unpublished typescript publicized c. 1970 --- claims with a flow chart that:


Oghene (God) created Iso (Sky), Ason (Night), and Avan (Day), and that from Iso(Sky) descended: Ame (Water) and Oto (Earth).

The flow chart continues to claim that:

Uzon (i.e. the Ijaw people) descended from Ame (Water), and that from Oto (Earth) descended: Igbon (i.e.the Igbo people), Idu (i.e. the Edo people), and Olukumi (i.e. the Ile-Ife people).


This ancient Edo tradition clearly shows the common ancestry of the Igbos, the Edos, and the Yorubas according to the Edos themselves.

[Refer to: Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, 2003, p. 312. ]



Another ancient Edo tradition of their origin (known as "Iso Norho" or the myth of the pouring sky) adds more details to the foregoing as follows:


Uhe (Ile-Ife) was (originally) occupied by Olukumi (Yoruba), Idu (Edo), Igbon (Igbo), and Izon (Ijaw).


It stated that Oto (Earth) had committed incest and as a result Iso (Sky) issued Ame (Flood) as punishment for the act.


Oghene (God) is then said to have come to the rescue because he "did not want the children to suffer undue hardship."


Oghene (God) is said to have "By means of a chain ... poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their habitation."


After Idu's death, his children (Akka, Efa, and Emehi) are all said to have "to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubini --- where they displaced a group of original settlers Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" )."

[Refer to: Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, 2003, pp. 312 - 313. see also: Michael Crowder: The Story of Nigeria, pp 63. ]



It is seen very clearly from the foregoing Edo tradition of origin that not only do the Edos share common ancestry with the Yorubas, they both originally inhabited Ile-Ife alongside the Igbos and the Ijaws before they (i.e. the Edos), the Igbos, and the Ijaws later obviously resettled. -

Notice that this is according to two different tradition of origin of the Edos themselves.


The foregoing tradition of origin of the Edos is also somewhat corroborated and augmented by more solid historical documentation in the works of experts like Amaury Talbot, J. U. Egharevba, Dmitri M. Bondarenko among others.


I hope you now agree with your own tradition on your origin. Lol

Lol you went and copy past..


I dont know what your problem is, as I said before

I am not here for tribal superiority, my job here is to united the children of Igodomigodo worldwide which I just discovered you are one of them.


The rubbish you past up there, I acknowledged the Yorubas started writing before us. Hence, a yoruba man coded our language. Not only us but also Igbo and most of the tribes in the south south.

There might be a word he didn't understand so he used yoruba words to replaced it, that doesn't mean we have anything in common.

Like I said, the only thing we have in common with the yorubas is the guy oduduwa who conquered them, his descendants came into our land around 12 century and conquered part of our land called Ille binu.

We dont share the same culture, we dont eat the same food nothing, I dont hate the Yorubas but that is the plain truth.

For superiority, I dont need to deep into history, go and ask your people how they got to South America and Europe.

We were selling you people as slaves.

TAO11:
Yes, you make claims a lot.

But what you fail to realize is the difference between making a claim and proving the claim.

You haven't proving any single one of your claims.

Anyone Tom, Dick, and Harry on Nairaland can make any nonsensical claim without bothering to provide evidence or proof.

I'm not just any body here, my ancestors sent me here to do some work. I will start soon, you can follow me because you are one of Igodomigodo descendant.

TAO11:
Yes, R. C.C. Law (as well as the enclave of African historians who peer-reviewed i) have the agenda of elevating the Yorubas and surpressing the Bins because of their Yoruba ancestry??

Lol

Go and carry out the assignment I gave to you and stop the argument.

What is your age sef

TAO11:
Did you say that Benin is the cradle of civilization for the Yorubas

Are you kidding me now?? Lol


What civilization (other than IRON production, and BRONZE casting) if I may ask??

Did you know where these techniques we're invented??

They were invented by the Yorubas and introduced to other parts of southern Nigeria including Benin Kingdom.

Margaret Plass an academi and expert on Ife-Benin relationship admits in the article entitled "The Art of Benin:An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg" that:


"... the early Oba Oguola --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- applied to his spiritual OVERLORD, the Ooni of Ife, for the service of a bronze founder to teach his people to make memorial bronzes formerly imported from Ife that they might be made in Benin."

In Yorubaland, evidence if ancient iron works have been found in Ife-jumu, dated to c. 160 C.E, among other sits diaciered by archaeoloists


Why do you think Ife has the ethnonym Ibi Ojumo Ti Mo Wa (lit. The Place From Where the First Dawn Came) since ancient times??

--- An ethnonym by which it was known even in Benin Kingdom till as recent as around the 1920s when Eweka the 2nd reigned in Benin.

Read again, I said part of yoruba, ekiti, ondo and lagos.

Part of south east and the whole of south south.

I will open a thread soon to unite Igodomigodo children world wide. There you can see all the children of Igodomigodo.

femixx:
Sir, while not trying to join issues with you, because I can perceive your limit of intellectual capacity to understand simple and straight forward statements, I will like that you try to have an open mind about issues.

Which open again, I am telling you guys what you dont know. I am not here to prove tribal superiority.

TAO11:
A peer-reviewed academic Journal of African History a "stupid book"?? Lol

A way by which an ignoramous concedes defeat an finds his place.

Like Amujale will say, now jog along


Please be reminded that you didn't cite even one book all along.

Your "evidence" lies in your wishful thinking. You make it up, and then you say it out.


More like, I don't care whether historians and experts
(who have studied it all their life) agree with me. Lol

Peer reviewed nonsense

For your information every articles or books you read, the writer has an agenda. I just published an article in one of the accounting journals few weeks ago. I have a particular reason why I did it, and an audience i was trying to communicate to.

Generally, you have always read that the benin people went to Ife to ask for someone to rule them, oduduwa now gave them one of his son Orominyan. That is a lie

You are probably hearing this for the first time, what actually happened is he brought war to the land Igodomigodo.

The people who were telling and writing those stories did not want to cause tribal war or hate. But we the Ogisos know the truth.

Again, every writer has an agenda

TAO11:
The same way the people you're calling Yoruba are originally OLUKUMI who "occupy an extensive territory embracing southwestern Nigeria and adjacent areas of Dahomey and Togo"

You have benin blood, you can keep denying your history and refused to learn. Those that have ear let them hear.

Am only here to pass a message, I have meant so many yorubas who 100 percent agreed with me that they are from Benin.

TAO11:
Will you shut your non-sense which you spew around without evidence, proof or reason??

Under the sub-heading Yoruba Origins, the historian R. C. C.Law writes:


"The Yoruba occupies an extensive territory, embracing southwestern Nigeria and adjacent areas if Dahomey and Togo. They comprise several distinct sub-groups the most important being the Oyo in the north, the Ife, Ijesha, Ekiti and Ondo in the east, the Ijebu and Egba in the south, and Ketu in the west... the various Yoruba sub-groups share a common language and culture ..."


see: R. C. C. Law, "The Heritage of Oduduwa: Traditional History and Political Propaganda among the Yoruba", The Journal of African History, Vol, 14, No. 2 (1973), p. 208.



Please note that "Ketu" mentioned above is in today's Benin Republic.

Lol, you are quoting one stupid book

You dont know your history

TAO11:
The point is what I am asking.

Does THAT show that the people who identify with the word "Benin" are then more ancient than those who identify with the words "Yoruba"??

That's the idiocy I was pointing you to.



However, if you like to know, I can present you with a traditional account of the Edos themselves which claim that the asynchronous Edos are originally from Ile-Ife.

Benin is an ancient city , no argument about that. It is the cradle of civilisation of the whole south south, part of southwest and part of south east.

The people living in Igodomigodo/Benin are different from people from Ife. I think I should upload an interview with aboriginal king, the Olugbo of Ugbo here for you to know some secret about Ife. He is the one oduduwa meant in Ife. He even assert he has a link with us, which I don't know.

I cant really say between Igodomigodo/benin and Ife people who came into existence first. But we are different the only thing that link us is the guy who invade your land Oduduwa, his descendants Orominyan also came to invade our land overtime.

Edo people has nothing to do with Ife, except the Oba of benin who is a descendant of Orominyan.

femixx:
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The bolded are not true. I am from Ado Ekiti
1.. Ado means `We settled down`
2..The Ewi of Ado Ekiti is a younger brother to the Oba of Benin
3..Both of them left Ife together but the Ewi parted ways with his elder brother at Ile-Ibinu (Benin)to establish present day Ado.
4..Many towns such as Agbado, Iluomoba etc were founded during the journey of the Ewi and his family to the present day Ado Ekiti.

You see how you show your ignorance, Orominyan came to Igodomigodo around 900 years ago, that time there was no single human being in Ondo and Ekiti state.

It is our children who fled from Orominyan invasion that set up Ondo and Ekiti.

You are been fair by saying that one of our son is ruling in Ekiti as Oba. Tell me if our children weren't living there why would Oba of benin put his son there to rule.

Same thing we did in Lagos, prince Ado

TAO11:
"Benin" is a new word which didn't exist prior to the Portuguese arrival.

So what then?

We are on the same page, even as that benin still predate yoruba word.

The word benin came into existence 850 years ago.

Yoruba is not up to 200

TAO11:
Stop all these lame arguments!

There is no tribe called "Bini" prior to Oranmiyan, hence the people didn't exist prior to him?

There are no people called by the name of "Nigeria" before the British, hence the people didn't exist prior to them??

I hope you see how lame such argument is now!

So you have refused to learn, the people you are calling bini are originally IDU who occupied the land of Igodomigodo.

It was the Portugueses that called them bini

MoneyMan5:
The Yoruba is a General Name for any tribe that traces their origin to Oduduwa and Obatala in Ile ife


Yoruba are descendants of Oduduwa and Obatala in Ile ife

In Yoruba we have both Obatala and Oduduwa descendants however if any tribe do not fit this narrative then it means they are not Yoruba

There is nothing like Yorubas descendant of cause there is Oduduwa descendants.

Yoruba is a new word

Ou tribes are living in your land which you are referring as yoruba.

They will be coming home soon

TAO11:
You personally don't have to be a speaker.

My point is simple.

If Aworis are one of Edo clans as you claimed (contrary to all facts and common sense); then the etymology of the word itself (i.e. "Awori" ) should be from Edo language.

And if you can't reply the Awori greeting, you should at least be able to find a Bini source which does or at least one person from your enclave of Bini propagandist who can help you out.

Should I disregard what my history is showing in Igodomigodo and what your Oba of Lagos assert.

Or take what you are saying, what do you know, when were you born.

MoneyMan5:
Olugbo of Ugbo was not the aboriginal king of Yoruba

His forefathers lost the throne to Oduduwa and Oduduwa was the first to rule over unified 13 communities in Ile ife

You just confuse yourself and type rubbish. You claimed Olugbo of Ugbo is not aboriginal king in yoruba and went further to assert he lost his throne to oduduwa.

How can he lost his throne if oduduwa did not meant him in Ife.

For your information the Olugbo of Ugbo palace is in existence till date. He is the Aborigines king in yoruba land. Oduduwa descendants are foreigners in your land

isaacsegun:
I just pity the people that are dignifying you with response because I know you are been driven by inferiority complex. All your assertions are nothing but trash. I'm an okun person from kogi state and our dialect of Yoruba is close to that of ondo people, so is an insult for you to be claiming ondo and ekiti people are from Bini. For your information, did you even know that an average northerner refer to Edo people as Yoruba they hardly know the different between the two and you are here claiming rubbish.

Which particular dialect in Ondo?

The Edo people are not yoruba, but the Oba of benin is a yoruba citizen

jneutron4000:
Your inability to understand shows you are a child and it is an insult to children because they learn and understand fast.you are not ready to learn. Now listen child, Oyo Yoruba is a dialect, Osun Yoruba is a dialect, Egba is a dialect, Aworis Yoruba is a dialect, Ijesha Yoruba is a dialect, Ibadan (ki ni sho) is a Yoruba dialect. Within Ogun state alone, there are more than 2 dialect of Yoruba language, idiot will you say they migrated from your land. Let me even ask you a question do you Edos have Alphabet?

What is wrong with you, there is nothing like Osun yoruba dialect etc. Osun is a diety, orishe. How is it a dialect yoruba.

Is like saying Ogun yoruba dialect, Ogun is the third Oni of Ife a descendant of oduduwa. Same with shango the third Alaafi of Oyo a direct descendant of Orominyan.

Like I said before, we have alot of our children living in yoruba land most of them dont even know who they are. You guys are claiming them to be yoruba and I dont blame you.

When a goat stays outdoor for a very long time and the owner never come to look for it, people who are not the owner will start claiming it. This is exactly what is going on, the time has come for us to take our own.

TAO11:
The questions for the 2nd time:

**Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis??


**Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!"


Modified:

Osun states. The Aborigines living in Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Idu children. They are our children from the land of Igodomigodo.

Regarding your unsubstantiated claim that: the autochthonous people of Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are from Edos I asked:

**Where did you get all these falsehoods from?

In other words cite the accessible and verifiable authoritative historical source as evidence and proof for your claim.

Dont forget the assignment I gave to you, it is better you know who you are now

femixx:
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The bolded is a bastardization of history. Go back home and ask questions from those who know the real history of Benin and Oyo.

Orominyan started Benin kingdom

Before benin kingdom what we had was Igodomigodo empire.

For your information benin kingdom is part of Igodomigodo empire.

jneutron4000:
can you tell me the name of the language. Stop displaying ignorant online, go back to my post where I said the Yoruba is a nation with many tribes, each tribe has it distinct dialects but it all Yoruba. Am very sure if I ask you a simple question like how many Ethnic groups we have in Nigeria, you will fail woeful as you would not be able to differentiate between Tribes, Ethnicities and Nationalities. Let me sharpen the little or no knowledge you have about Yoruba language, we all consider the Ibadan (Oyo) Yoruba as the standard Yoruba language due to different reason such as population, Military power during the Oyo empire where they were forcing other Yoruba sisters to pay ishakole( tax), also it was the sons of Oduduwa that founded those place( Itedo). that given influence made their Yoruba way of dialects to spread. Ijebus have distinct dialects to Ijesha, likewise Ondo has distinct dialect to Aworis, Egba has distinct dialects to Akoko etc. But WE ARE ALL YORUBA AND WE SPEAK YORUBA LANGUAGE

Will you shut up, I told you before the only people I can refer as yoruba are the oyo people because these as the people they were calling the name then by the Fulanis.

Again, many dialects you are referring as yoruba now are not your children. They migrated from our land

MoneyMan5:
So how did Yoruba came to being according to you? Omniknowest

There is no tribe called yoruba historically, it is a post colonial word. As I assert before, I don't want to write any derogatory words about the yorubas as I was banned before.

The yorubas as you know now is a conglomeration of tribes, which ours is one of them. Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos to be precise.

The aboriginal king of the so called yoruba is the Oba of Ugbo kingdom, he is the one Oduduwa meant in Ife.

I am not saying yoruba people came from benin, no what am saying is some of our children are now in south west and you guys are referring to them as yorubas.

TAO11:
The questions for the 2nd time:

**Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis??


**Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!"

I dont know the meaning, I have never assert I speak Awori

Our land Igodomigodo is made up of cluster clans, I dont want to mention some of the clans let me not draw some tribes attention here. I want to face yoruba squarely

TAO11:
I have scolded you already on this kindergarten-ish method of not owning up and taking responsibility for your own claims.

You've made the claims. Fine, no big deal about making claims.

Where the big deal lies is the fact that when asked to substantiate your own claim, you should be man enough to be able to BRING FORWARD your evidence, proof, and reason.


Rather than shifting your own burden to the questioner and thus pretending that you have your answer very far away from you in Lagos palace. Lol!

Anyone could make any claim. I could for example claim that:

the former Oba of Benin (Omo N'Oba Erediawa) is actually a descendant Joao Afonso d'Avieros -- the Portugese seafarer who visited Bini in the 15th century

If we go by your logic, I would say my evidence for this claim is a secret with Oba Ewuare II. Go to Benin palace and ask him.

Do you consider my account as true and fact going by your own logic??

Read this interview from Oba of Lagos since you need prove or you go to his palace

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/amp

jafol:
Ode you r products of people living then hence ur hate

I hate slavery, am not responsible for the actions of my ancestors.

TAO11:
C'mon?

Naira land is still very active.

What about viewing your own quotes to see all I have written to you??

Please don't go lower than the point you're currently at.

Please point it out, am busy cooking

I answered one of your questions already

TAO11:
I am obviously Yoruba.

Why are you asking all these questions (which although I have been answering consistently) without answering any of mine??

Are my questions too difficult??

Which particular question did you ask let me attend to it