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IamWonderful:
The king was removed for insubordination, I guess, so Oshiomole didn't do any wrong by dethroning who want to undermine his authority, no fuse about it

The king didnt do that

He only support his son who was vying for deputy governor position.

By the way, that is not the main reason for his dethronement.

Oshomole was just stupid and a puppet they used.

His children children will pay for it.

The Ojuromi stool has no hand in politics or favoritism when it comes to candidates vying for governorship position.

However, we show love to those who respect us, the dethronement of Ojuromi was masterminded by individuals in Benin and perfected by Oshomole. Governor Obaseki has no land in the dethronement of the Ogiso stool.

At Ojigueben palace few weeks ago, Oshomole was asked why he dethroned the king, he replied he has no regret for his action, meaning he took absolute responsibility for his action. So APC should stop the propaganda.

Bkayyy:
There is nothing like Idu in Nigerian list of ethnicity. You, Sir is a Yorubanized Bini man

Our ancient name

Kwanza:
https://www.today.ng/news/politics/edo-apc-governor-obaseki-recommended-dethroning-uromi-monarch-2016-314175/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Lol

That picture is not for the Ojuromi

The suspension of Ojuromi then was motivated by a different factor.

Oshomole Adamu was responsible.

MelesZenawi:
They are bini from bini kingdom, travelling from bini to oguta

Lol what a kingdom of bini hunting for igbo history while leaving their real yoruba heritage.

I'm Idu not Bini

Abagworo:
Uguta is Igbo. The stupid identity crisis don't exist here even with the clear migration from Delta via Ilah and Aboh. The Ilah and Aboh people are also Igbos even though there might be fear to admit this truth. Benin expansion, brutality of the kings and cultural influence affected all Igbo speaking communities west of the Niger and forced some to migrate across the river for peaceful life. Most Igbos in the West know they originated from Nshi which many historians believe is Nri but there's nowhere called Nri in Igboland.

Oguta dont see themselves as Igbo

Bkayyy:
Stop being ridiculous, your post is there for you to read. He never said ohafia was from idu, he only listed the clans at Southern Igbo land which includes ohafia, Arochukwu, Abam and others.

Where is Benin Kingdom situated

Bkayyy:
You said but the professor said otherwise. He was listing the southern Igbo clans he called bende (be ndị Igbo)

I am not interested in what he called them presently, whether Igbo or not.

I cite that articles to show you, he acknowledged his ancestry Igodomigodo.

Not Israel

Obodo Idu

Bkayyy:
LOL , you just shot yourself in the leg, no in the scrotum.
The person you are bragging about that said Ohafia is not Igbo is from Ohafia and goes by the title "Ohamadike Ndigbo".
I believe you are educated. Now read that article again and see that he didn't say that Ohafia was not Igbo but he acclaimed that some migrants from Idu came to the south of Igbo land known as Bende (Be ndị Igbo) which means land of Igbos

Did I say Ohafia are Benin or Igbo

They are Idu

Bkayyy:
Writing an Igbo name on the article doesn't make the writer Igbo

See and learn from your elders.

Bkayyy:
I did I quick search with the name in the article and saw nothing.
Now do you mind telling me where he comes from since you were the one that brought the article

Is a peer reviewed article, you need to subscribe to have access.

Bkayyy:
So the professor that is neither from arọ Chukwu nor ohafia knows more about arọ Chukwu than Eze arọ

How do you know he is not from there

Bkayyy:
One day some ignorant people might use your lies as reference. It is not hard to write, it is actually easier if they are lies.
Give a reference of where the people of ohafia, Abam, ütütü or arọ Chukwu have disputed their Igbo ancestry not a lie from an Igbo name from USA which I can't see his ancestral route and village on Google.
This is an example of people like you on nairaland that use Igbo names to insult igbo

Argue with your historian

OfoIgbo:
Nwokem, Nri is older than both, by many centuries.

Just this past weekend, I was in a chat with an EZE ANI from one of the core Nri towns, and we were talking about origins.
At some point in our conversation, he mentioned that Nri people were running the cultural setup of IGODOMIGODO. He mentioned this, even though I never mentioned the word Igodomigodo. He mentioned it, not even knowing that I already knew about the place.

Of course, he surprised me with that statement, and then I let him know of a debate currently going on. He laughed, and repeated that it was the Nris that ran the cultural setup of the place, and carried on doing that even when the Obas came on board, up until just over a hundred years ago.

These are the sort of people that will know, because when such people say things, they don't hang back to start arguing with you, because his information was passed down from the previous EZE ANI, and the same carries on, for many centuries. The Portuguese records have all but authenticated such people's claims.

One thing I know is that Nris were there, even before Igodomigodo started to exist.

Nri kingdom is 9 century AD.

OfoIgbo:
One of your names IBINU. In Igbo IBI NU means "IF Elephantiasis of the scrotum HEARS"

Truth is bitter

See one of your brother

Bkayyy:
LOL, Arochukwu was founded after the war with ibibio, first started by Akpa forces led by Eze Agwụ who later invited a priest known as Oké Nnachi which decided the fate of the war, Arọ in turn founded some Igbo communities notably Arọ ndị Izuọgụ. I guess you don't know this one because you were busy linking Igbo communities to your yoruba blood.
Now tell me what you yoruba Edo have in common with Arọ, Ekpeye, Etche or any Igbo clan?

Argue with your professor

OfoIgbo:
The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

I thought you are going to cite a peer review article for me, rather a link written by a fraud just the same with the writer of this essay.

The kingdom known in southern Nigeria are Benin and Oyo Empire. I don't know why you people are trying to rewrite history.


Yes Nri is a descendant of Idu from Igodomigodo. Our son Eri founded the so called oldest Igbo ancient kingdom in 9 century AD.

I am happy you people admit you dont know where Eri migrated from.

Read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri

Bkayyy:
Incase I missed your answers, would you mind reiterating?
1.) What are the names of the two founders of Arochukwu and where are they from?
2.) Arochukwu calls herself Arọ oké Igbo, Why If Igbo was a new phenomenon?
3) why is igbuzor called Igbo bi na Uzor, if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
4) why is Akwukwu in Delta called Akwukwu Igbo if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
5.) why is it that non of these clans speak bini or have element of Bini?

Arochukwu and others migrated from Iduland with relatives, women, and host of others. I cant give you details of the founder of clans inside Arochukwu.

All these tribes you mentioned above, similar thing happening now, you want to false a slave name Igbon down the neck of every ethnic nationalities in the south.

Anioma reject you, they are not Igbo, Ikweree, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Ika, Igbanke etc.

I have listed the group who migrated southward Igbo Aro and the rest for you. They were individuals who founded communities, they meant aborigine and i wont be surprised if the so called Igbon culture rubboff on them.

Idu language is spoken in Igodomigodo till date, if you call it similar language with Igbon.

Bkayyy:
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called Igbo Akiri

I have answered all your questions

Bkayyy:
OH! So these lies were all targeted to destabilize Igbo land and confuse their identity because of Biafra. I tought I was having a historical discussion

You are having a historic discussion.

The reason you are turning history upside down is because of Biafra.

Bkayyy:
I don't think so, Igbo is the cradle of civilization in the entire south, the Igbos have widely travelled the entire south in the ancient times, introduced the market days system to Idu, introduced the Attah kingship in Igala (through Onoja, the first Obi or Attah of Igala), introduced counting and writing system(nsibidi) to the ibibio through Oké Nnachi and were the middle men in trade throughout the entire south and middle belt ( arọ confederacy for the south and Nike forces for the middle belt)

Stop lying, Igbo never travelled in ancient time to the south.

It was the southerns that migrated to the east and formed what is today know as Igbo.

This is a direct quote from Ikwerre scholar

Professor Simeon Chituru Achinewhu

"The first neighbours Ikwerre man encountered was the Riverine people of Kalabari and Okrika.Ikwerre man had no contact with an Igbo man until the 19th century only after the advent of the white man when roads were opened.The climax was in I913 on the acquisition of Port Harcourt from the Rebisi people.The white man was looking for labourers and the Ikwerre and the surrounding neighbours ie Kalabari, Okrika and Eleme refused to be labourers.The white man therefore had to penetrate the Igbo hinterland and recruited very willing labourers.That was the beginning of Igbo man's adventure into Ikwerre.

Igboid:
Bini means Bu-ini in Igbolanguage. Which means full of bitterness. All Igbo returnees from Idu when the Benins (Oba people invaded) all had stories of anguish and bitterness to tell.
Stories of how the Benins were raiding them for slaves to the Portuguese and were using them for Yoruba Ogboni human sacrifices.

An Ezechima, Akalaka, etc could have never been anything but Igbo.
So whether you accept it or not, there was a reverse migration of Igbos in Idu following invasion of Idu by the Oba from Ife who established the Benin Kingdom, this very much history exists in Igbo folklore.

Idu people are the Esans, Urhobo, Isoko, Afemai, Uneme, etc.
Some Idu people betrayed Iduland and joined the Oba from Ife to fight against their own people, some Igbos even refused to return to Igboland and found positions in the new Oba from Ile Ife cabinet.

Idu people are Edo people, while Benin is a Yoruba dynasty made up of willing tools from all ethnicities that once resided in Idu, including the Igbos.

This is history as we know it in Igboland.
Binis don't want to accept this history because it exposes the shame which is the fact that they are currently being ruled by A Yoruba man, and this fact makes them appear inferior.
This is also why some cowards among your ranks have refused to help the true rulers of Idu, the Ogiemiens to wrestle power from the Oba Yoruba dynasty in your land, because doing so exposes the lies you have told for centuries as history.

Ezechima, Akalaka are Idu children in Igodomigodo they are not Igbo. Igbo mean slave in our language and there are those we address as such.

Until you come back home, your ancestral home Idu. You will be rejected from every corner by the Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Anioma, Ika, Igbanke etc.

These ethnic nationalities I mentioned above are already awaken about their Idu ancestry and you will never have access to them with your fake history.They continue to reject you and your Biafra will never come.

Bkayyy:
Scientifically, there is no way a small ethnicity like Bini can claim to have founded towns with populations that are larger than the whole Bini

Igodomigodo is broad

The land was filled with cluster clans.

Idu Igodomigodo is the cradle of civilisation of the south south and south east.

Bkayyy:
More lies, Arochukwu is known as Arọ oké Igbo for a reason, why is that if Igbo is a new phenomenon?
Ibusa or Igbuzor in delta is known as Igbo bi na Uzor or Igbo bi a Uzor idu for a reason, why was that if Igbo is new phenomenon?
Akwukwu in delta is known as Akwukwu Igbo for a reason, why was that if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
For the record, Eri never migrated from the western sphere. According to the Igbo history he never said any thing Idu. The only link with Idu and Nri is that Nri priests are divinators in Idu prior to the yoruba Oba and Edo emergence. Don't confuse it, Nri is far older that idu.
Anyways, you are the first Edo man that I have seen that knows about the name Idu, Idu is only known to the ancient priests

Idu, Igodomigodo is older than Nri kingdom.

Go and question your historian about his work Prof Njoku, who is a researcher for 4 decades.

Igboid:
There has always been Igbo people.

We existed as independent clans and went by our clan names, while we called each other Igbos.
To understand the concept of "Igbo", as an Ogidi man, if I meet someone speaking an Igbo dialect I am not sure is Ogidi.
I would ask him: "Ibu onye Ogidi ka ibu onye Igbo", meaning : Are you an Ogidi person or are you an Igbo person.

The person will now reply : Abum onye Igbo or Abum onye Ogidi. I am Ogidi person or I am an Igbo person.

Assuming this person is from a town called Nanka and I visited Nanka and the person wants to know who I am, since he had observed my Igbo dialect doesn't sound like Nanka dialect.
He would ask me, " I bu onye Nanka ka ibu onye Igbo "meaning "Are you from Nanka or from Igbo".
I will then answer, A bum onye Igbo( I am an Igbo).

The concept of Igbo is that everyone who speak similar language to you is Igbo while you identify by your own clans name.

We call each other Igbo but never callef ourselves Igbos, until the white came and did the obvious.

There may be people living in the east before our Idu children went there which we called Igbon.

Our children Idu differ

Igboid:
We are not saying same thing.

The Igbos in Idu migrated to Idu from Igboland, and went back to Igboland when Idu fell to the hands of the Oba from Ile ife. They were not Idu descendants.
They came back to Igboland with stories of the war and their sufferings in Idu. These stories exists in Igbo folklore as "Agha Idu n'Oba" meaning the war between Idu and Oba.

It's akin to the modern Igbo folklore called "Oso Abiola" Igbos in Yorubaland had to make, following the upheaval in Yorubaland after Abiola election was annulled.
The Igbos who were resident in Yorubaland ran back to Igboland. Many of them were Yoruba speaking and had Yoruba wives, even though they are had Igbo names and spoke Igbo too. If this happened in the precolonial past, you will also hear ignorant descendants of these Igbos parrot about how their ancestors migrated from Yorubaland to Igboland and how they were Yorubas who became assimilated as Igbos and lost their Yoruba language , without acknowledging the fact that it was only a reverse migration and that their ancestors were never Yoruba people, even though they resided in Yorubaland and called themselves Lagosians.

The reverse migration of Igbo populations in Idu land back to Igbo land during "Agha Idu n'oba", is what the ignorant descendants of these Igbo returnees are misinterpreting as being descendants of Bini.

There is no reverse migration.

The Idu children who migrated from Igodomigodo to the east were never in the east and they are not Igbo. Igbo mean Igbon in our language slave, which were used by our Idu children for the Babessi people who are immigrants from Cameroon in the east.

Bkayyy:
Both of you are not saying the same thing, igboid is an Igbo man that is relaying the history of Idu that we all know in igboland and the Yoruba conquest and enthronement of Oba system which led to the Igbos returning back to the east.
But you are fabricating a non existing relationship between you present yoruba Edos and the Igbos that left Idu due to hostilities with the new Oba.
It's like saying that the Igbos that will return from Lagos if the Yoruba become hostile to them are yoruba descendants

You are missing the story

There is no tribe called Igbo, talkless of Igbiod or whatever you called it.

I have explained to you already the origin of Igbo as a name and those who were addressed as such. Not Idu children in the south east.

The Idu children who were driven out of their ancestral land and migrated to the east were never once in the east.

You understand me now, till date they dont see themselves as Igbo.

Igbon which the white men called Igbo today for ethnic nationalities in the east are made up of different people.

Bkayyy:
Second question, two Igbo clans founded arochukwu, one was a warrior clan, the other was a priest, what are their names and where are they from?

Arochukwu, Ohofia etc are from Idu land.

I have no details of how the arrange their clans in present day Abia State, but what am certain about is that these groups as I mentioned before are from Idu. Is in my history and is in your history as well. Your historian talks about it, Nnadi Kanu is not a historian, he is a propagandist, agitator fabricating stories for political gain..

He should be warm, a child doesn't talk about a story his father didnt say.

Your father has already told you your ancestral root Idu. Idu na Oba is a popular saying in Igbo land because your ancestors were in Iduland but forced to migrate due to Oba war.

See your historians here and go and question him.

MelesZenawi:
You own history is far from this world.


just stay in bini and mind your state.

Igbo and bini are two different words..


It is the storyteller who makes us what we are, who creates history. The storyteller creates the memory that the survivors must have - otherwise t[/i]heir surviving would have no meaning.


So if the lion doesn't tell her story, the history of the hunt will glorify the hunter. You binis should stop been a hunter on igbo history because it is DOA

I am not Benin

I am Idu


You people should stop faking our children history then all this will stop

Igboid:
There is nothing fake about the above write up.

The Benin history has been deliberately and fraudulently muddled up with Bini (Igbodomigodo) history by Benins for pride and land grabbing agenda.

We in Igbo land know for certain that there was an ancient Bini which we call Idu in Igboland.
We also have ancient tales of the war between the Idu and the Oba, it's called agha "Idu n'oba " in Igbo folklore.
Idu was the land where many Igbos migrated to and lived in the past. It so happened that Idu got invaded by the current Oba dynasty from Ile ife, who fought ferociously with Idu people causing the Igbo indigenous people there to migrate back to Igboland. The Oba dynasty would finally establish a parallel throne in Iduland and formed the current Beinin kingdom, whose contact with the Portuguese enabled it to gain weapons with which it went about terrorizing neighboring Idu( Edo tribes), Western Igbo and Eastern Yoruba tribes, to form the Benin empire.

Recently, there have been a recent attempt by Idu people led by the Ogiemien to resuscitate their dying kingdom from the Yoruba Oba invaders in Benin .

We are saying the same thing

What is fake about his write up is that, he is fraudulently trying to turn history upside down.

A significant amount of Igbo population are Idu children from Igodomigodo who fled the war. They migrated from Ika, Igbanke and Owa clans in our land Idu.

Saying people migrated east to the south is false.

Bkayyy:
God of mercy, did you just mention arochukwu, abam and ohafia in this your edo and idu joke.
It's like you don't know why ohafia, abam and arochukwu forces came to the northern sphere of Igbo land. No need to educate you, just know that had it been that Edo was closer to southern Igbo land, the head of Oba of Benin will be among the three heads on the tray used in ohafia war dance.
Ask your ancestors the reason why non Igbos don't cross the Niger river. Or better, ask ibibio and ijaws who arochukwu, ohafia and abam are

Arochukwu, Ohofia, Abam etc are reminant of Idu warriors who left Igodomigodo. Go back to school, read your history.

Bkayyy:
Nwa onye Igbo means the child of an Igbo. It's the same as Igbo call themselves nwa afọ Igbo which also means true son of Igbo. Igbo all call one another nwa Igbo which means Igbo son, nwa Igbo is the short form of nwa onye Igbo.
So you see Mr Bini man that learnt that igodo means key from my post that it's an Igbo thing.
Now I have a question for you, what does nwa, onye and Igbo mean in bini?

The people calling you that name are not Igbo.

They refered to you as Igbo not themselves