TAO11: How is the attached book supposed to be of help to you, regarding my challenge to you?
I just gave you my source, that book was writing in 1953 or so. Everything is detail there. I dont have a right to make book. How many pages can I show you.
TAO11: You only repeated what I asked you to prove. Repitition is not proof. Did you know that?
It's not called Oba Orun Ado. You obviously have half-baked information on everything you've been writing.
Rather it is called Orun Oba Ado. If you could translate this word-for-word, then you would realize how wrong you are in saying that Ado is another name of Eweka. lol
Again "Ado" is the name of Benin-City in ancient times, while "EDO" on the other is evolved from the name of Mr. "IDU". "EDO" became the general description of all of Mr IDU's descendants.
Eweka is Owomika meaning my hand have catch it. The Benin corrupted Owomika to mean Eweka. Because they couldn't pronounce the yoruba name. Ado the son brought from Ife couldn't talk, so Orominyan gave him a game like a seed to play. He play it and said Owomika, my hands have catch it that is where he got Eweka from. He real name Orominyan gave to him is prince Ado
TAO11: Of course, the IDU or EDO doesn't make any difference to the argument here as long as I refer to the same people regardless of which of the two names I used.
Moreover, IDU is the name of the progenitor, while EDO is the derived form which describes the people as a whole.
IDU originally lived at IFE and his children AKKA, EFA, and EMEHI later left to found IGODOMIGODO.
TAO11: Of course, the IDU or EDO doesn't make any difference to the argument here as long as I refer to the same people regardless of which of the two names I used.
Moreover, IDU is the name of the progenitor, while EDO is the derived form which describes the people as a whole.
IDU originally lived at IFE and his children AKKA, EFA, and EMEHI later left to found IGODOMIGODO.
Says who?
Says YOUR mythology/tradition titled ISO NORHO
Edo is Ado the name of Eweka the first oromjnyan gave him.
Idu dont know Ife people except you agree with me our Ekerlandehan founded Yoruba people.
Below is Oba Orun Ado, a resting place Orominyan gave to Ado children which is the Oba of Benin. Oba Eweka head and some of his descendants were bury here in Ille Ife. The place is also a shrine.
TAO11: 1. Nowhere have I ever used the word "Edo" as the name of a person.
Wherever I mentioned the word "Edo" I have clearly and consistently used it as the description of a people.
2. Eweka's name is neither Edo not Ado. Provide your evidence for your claim.
The word "Edo" is from "Idu" your progenitor centuries if not millennials before Eweka will be conceived.
"Ado", on the other hand, is the more ancient name of Benin-City.
3. What I challenged you on is the origin of the Edos in response to which you fled and deflected to the myth of creation.
In other words you understood clearly that I wasn't referring to Eweka of the second (Oba) dynasty.
You knew we'll (considering your response of creation myth) that I was asking about the origin of the Edo people.
So, stop pretending to be unaware and ignorant.
4. And even In mythology itself (although I had asked you for history), the account you presented when considered in the light of the Edo people Iso Norho account shows clearly that it all began in Ile-Ife.
Because the Edo's Iso Norho account claims that Mr Idu originally lived at Ile-Ife. And that it was his children who left after his death to found Igodomigodo.
The names of his sons as mentioned in the account are given as: Akka, Efa, and Emehi.
5. So, channel your frustration about this foregoing account to the right quarters, obviously not to me.
Lol Edo is Ado the son of Orominyan who is Eweka the first.
Every fraudulent history of our people you read is written by some Ille Ife people who want to remain in our land forever.
Look for this buy to read, if you will ever find it. You will understand most of my assertions here.
That is Orominyan with horse, this is how he came into our land in 1170AD. He is the first person that brought horse to our land. He was a jihadist, he brought war to our land
TAO11: Having said that, I like to quickly correct you on a point you made in your foregoing comment.
I did not ask you to provide me with the Edo mythology account of creation. So, stop pretending that I did.
What I asked for instead is the historical background of the Edos. Where did they originally come from?
Archaeology and Genetics as independent fields of science makes it quite clear that the West African people are not the most ancient on the continent.
So, my question to you remains: Where did Mr. Idu and his team come from?
In attempt to answer my question earlier you deflected to mythology.
And that is a clear indication that you have no answer to my question.
From that point onward it became a new discussion. And I went on to present to you a prominent Edo mythology account of creation which claims Ife as the origin of the Edos ab-initio.
cc: Atigba
We are IDU not Edo
Edo is the corrupted name Ado, Orominyan gave to his son Eweka and
IDU people dont know Ife people, we have no link with each other until Orominyan came into our land in 11:70AD. If you hear any story Edo link with Ile Ife know it is the same Ille Ife people living our land that fabricate it and they greet Lamogun.
TAO11: You actually wish everything you wrote was what it is, but wishes aren't horses. Lol.
Where did I say we're one and the same people?
I'm highlighting your own Edo creation myth which claims Ile-Ife as origin.
So, I am not the right person to be mad at if that account really makes you made. Chanell your frustration accordingly. Lol
And regarding the other Edo creation account which bears parallel to the Yorubas; that is clearly a corroboration of the Edo's Iso Norho account that claims that it all began from Ife.
And regarding your long comedic list of supposed Edo children worldwide; it may interest you to know that no Edoid language is spoken outside of Edo State, Delta State, Rivers State, as well as the Uhami, Ukue, Ehuen and Iyayu languages in some isolated parts of Ondo State.
Outside of these places I mentioned, your long listing is at best imaginary and ambitious, while at worst useless and nonsensical.
There are no people called Etinosa in Lagos State.
Neither are there any Edoid people outside of the delineation I have stated above, not even outside of Nigeria.
Gala and Puff-puff people of Ghana, Benin Republic, Togo, even Australia sef.
You're very comedic and ambitious --- a good combination anyways.
Are you even with me, have I ever dispute with you that Edo/Ado is not from Ille Ife. Edo is the name of the first Oba of Benin Eweka the 1st. And he is a native of Ille Ife. You can come and take the royal stool back if you want.
Igodomigodo/ Idu have no business with you guys. Before Edo/Ado started ruling in our land in 12 century Igodomigodo already has 30 something Ogisos.
Ogiso Igodo (900-925AD)
Ogiso Ere (925-960AD)
Ogiso Orire (960-1000AD)
Ogiso Odia (1000-1001 AD)
Ogiso Ighido (1001-1002 AD)
Ogiso Evbobo (1002-1005 AD)
Ogiso Ogbeide (1005 AD)
Ogiso Emehen (1005-1009 AD)
(Akhuankhuan (1009-1011 AD)
Ogiso Ekpigho (1011AD)
Ogiso Efeseke (1012-1019)
Ogiso Irudia (1019)
Ogiso Odion (1020 AD)
Ogiso Etebowe (1020-1022)
Ogiso Imarhan (1023-1024).
Ogiso Orria (1024-1025 AD)
Ogiso Emose (1026-1029)
Ogiso Orhorro (1029-1030 AD)
Ogiso Irrebo (1030-1036 AD)
Ogiso Ogbomo (1036-1040 AD)
Ogiso Agbonzeke (1040-1044 AD)
Ogiso Ediae (1044-1050 AD)
Ogiso Oriagba (1050-1070 AD)
Ogiso Odoligie (1070-1085 AD)
Ogiso Uwa (1085-1095 AD)
Ogiso Eheneden (1095-1110 AD)
Ogiso Ohuede (1110-1112 AD)
Ogiso Oduwa (1112-1119 AD)
Ogiso Obioye (1119-1121 AD)
Ogiso Arigho (1121-1125 AD)
Ogiso Owodo (1125-1130AD)
Ogiso Evian -(11:30AD-11:70AD)
Ogiso/Ogiamien Erebo -(11:70AD-12:00AD)
Before Ogiso Igodo started ruling in 9 century, we were operating Edionwele. We had council of elders, every of our clan present the oldest man in the village to represent them at the council.
As for not speaking the same language, in our land Igodomigodo we were cluster clans. With different languages some similar. The children of Jacob spoke different language but has the same father. Where you guys are calling yorubas now is a combination of different languages. Not every tribes that live in your land speak the same language. Again, language evolve over time as people migrate. I was in a train station in Berlin few years ago, I saw a Togoles guy who I interact with, most of the things he was speaking in his language is from Esan, and Esako in Edo State. I was shocked.
Etinosa is the biggest local government in Lagos. We once run Lagos no argument about that.
TAO11: 1.Idu is not the name of the Edo creation account, rather it is the name of one of the characters in the account.
2. Yes, the Yoruba creation account features, (i) a promordial earth filled with water, (ii) sand filling by some heavenly persons, (iii) a chameleon testing the land's firmness, and so forth.
3. My point is that the account you copied and pasted is simply a redaction of this Yoruba account. You can pretend all you like not to see the parallel.
4. What finally nails it as a redaction of the Yoruba account is the fact that a prominent tradition of the Edo people claims that the aboriginal Edos are originally from Ife.
I have noted this already with reference. Scroll up a little to see it.
5. I'm quite disappointed in you that I have to teach you what "Iso Norho" is. You're supposed to be the Edo person here, aren't you?
Anyways, "Iso Norho" is the title of the Edo myth of the "Pouring Sky" in which it is claimed, among other things, that:
Oghene created everyone including Olukumi, Idu, Igbon, and Uzon to reside originally in Ile-Ife.
After which Idu's death caused his children (Akka, Efa, and Emehi) to migrate to found the present site of Benin/Igodomigodo.
Lol
Every culture have their own creational myth, the Greek, Indians, Chinese, Israel, Ille Ife and Igodomigodo.
That there is a kind of similarity doesn't mean we are the same people. You asked for our own account of creation and I highlighted it for you. You are trying to make it suit your own dilution.
We IDU don't know Ille Ife people, we don't have the same culture, greet the same way or eat the same food. I can't even eat you guys food. Know I don't hate Yorubas, am just trying to illustrate how far we are from each other.
I have told you before the relationship between us and Ife. Orominyan came into our land in 1170Ad with horse men. He sail through Osen river to Udo and settled in Uselu later where he was trying to rule.
If you see Edo people practice any culture that mimic what is optainable in Ife, know it is the Oba of Benin who is a descendant of Orominyan that introduced the practice and he is forcefully trying to link Edo people to Ife, the same way they fraudulently fabricated Ekalerdehan story.
Again, Edo is just a clan of Idu children. Pa Idu children are very many, other of our clans has no clue of your so called Iso Norho.
These are the list of Idu children worldwide.
Igodomigodo/Edo North
Ora Afema Etsakos Akoko-Edos Ekperis Igalas Esan
Owan
Akoko-Edo
Etsako
Igede
And other ethnic groups along that axis to Kogi, Kwara, and Benue States. Etc etc.
IGODOMIGODO/EDO EAST: Igbanke Umunede Ogwashikwu Iselukwu Asaba In fact the whole of Ika Ibos and the entire South East, Enugu Ezike
Onitsha-Idu
Aboh Kingdom
Ukwani etc etc.
IGODOMIGODO/EDO WEST: Ondo Akotogbo Owo Ado-Ekiti
Ondo (Ẹdo N'ekue)
Royal and Noble houses of Lagos state
Eko - Etinosa in Lagos State Including the Ijaws in the West
IGODIMIGODO/EDO SOUTH: Urhobos, Isokos, Itshekiris, Engennis, Ogbas, Ekpeyes, Ikwerres/Iwhurohnas, Nembes, The Ijaws in the South-South, Izon, Ogbia, Epie Atissa, including the Urhobos, Isokos in Bayelsa State etc, Abua, Degema, Ndoki, Andoni, Kalabari Ndonni
Apie
Kula
Zarama
Degema
Tombia
Abonema
Part of Etchie - Rivers Ukwa East in Abia State, Obolo and Ikot Abasi in Akwa Ibom State which are now part of Ijaw Youths Congress (IYC) and Ijaw National Congress (INC)
WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES: Togo (notably the General Eyaedema family)
20. Ancient GA people of Ghana. 21, the Acient Ewe people of volta Region Ghana 22, the people of Ewe Togo 23, the Fone people of Benin republic 24, The IGBO Idu Eri (AGULARE)
TAO11: You would notice that the potential answers to these questions are gradually getting to the realm of mythology and oral tradition.
And in the light of that, I like to inform you (with references) that a prominent oral tradition of the Edo people themselves (known as the "Iso Norho" tradition) has the following to say:
1. Olukumi, Idu, Igbon, and Izon et al. are all the original inhabitants of Uhe.
2. After Idu's death, his children (i.e. Akka, Efa, and Emehi) had "to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City ... where they displaced a group of original settlers Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" )."
For reference, see: Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs, "Archaeology and Langugae 1: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations", 2003, pp. 312-313.
Note: In this oral tradition of the Edo people, Olukumi refers to the progenitor of the Yorubas, Idu refers to the progenitor of the Edos, Igbon refers to the progenitor of the Igbos, Izon refers to the progenitor of the Ijaws, and Uhe refers to Ile-Ife.
I hope you're man enough to uphold this extant tradition of your own ancestors.
TAO11: I'm only asking you simple questions in contrast to popular creations stories.
I expected you to seize the opportunity to put the Edo account out there to the world.
Why not grab this golden opportunity to explain how Mr Idu (the supposed first man) got to Benin city.
And how his descendants came about.
Adapted from Naiwu Osahon’s book: THE END OF KNOWLEDGE- By Naiwu Osahon
In the beginning, Osanobua (God, Oghene-Osa, decided to populate the world so He asked His four sons in Erinmwin (Heaven) to choose whatever gift of nature each fancied. The oldest chose wealth, the next in age chose wisdom, the third chose mysticism (spiritual energy) and as the youngest was about to announce his choice, Owonwon (the Toucan) cried out to him to settle for a snail shell. This did not make sense to him but he settled for it all the same. The brothers laughed at his stupid choice but Osanobua said it was a wise choice. That when they get to the middle of the water where He was sending them, the youngest son should pour the sand in his snail shell into the water.
There was no land only water everywhere and the four sons were in a canoe, sailing, drifting, propelled by the power of eziza (wind). In the middle of the water stood a tree on top of which lived (Owonwon) the toucan. The importance of the emergence of the tree before man on earth is not lost on modern science, which recognizes that without the tree manufacturing oxygen, life on earth would have been impossible. Modern science has also confirmed the Edo cosmology that birds, insects etc, preceded man to earth. The Edo myth of creation was earth based in scope.
When the children got to the middle of the water, the youngest son poured his snail shell sand into the water resulting in an explosion from the bottom of the water that forced volumes of sand to gush out of the water and fill up space around them for as far as the eyes could see. With the explosion, the four elements of creation, amen (water), eziza (air), arhen (fire) and oto (sand or land), were in place. Land was everywhere but the kids did not know what it was. They were afraid to climb out of the canoe to step on the land, so they sent the Chameleon to test its firmness. That is why the Chameleon walks with hesitation.
The youngest son of Osanobua was the only spirit out of the four sons who could have the physical human body attribute on stepping on the land, because that was the advantage of the physical or material choice he made. It was put in his hand from heaven. The other sons were deities. The youngest son, the ruler of the earth, represents innocence and so is susceptible to the powers of the deities, his brothers. These same weak and strong, good and evil, physical and spiritual, influences form the basic elements of all modern religions, with man endowed with the power to make choices.
Junior wanted his older spirit brothers to remain with him on his land. The oldest brother chose to take his spirit gift and live in what was left of the water. The other two brothers accepted junior’s invitation and deposited their spirit selves and gifts on the land as soon as they stepped on it from the canoe. Junior stepped on his land gingerly at first, then vigorously, stamping hard and repeatedly on it, running and rolling over it. He looked around and felt good and happy with his enormous gift. He called his land agbon (earth) and himself, Idu, meaning the first human on earth. He decided to walk around and explore the extent and nature of his gift. It had trees, shrubs, birds, animals, insects, which all came out of water with the land, and the land sprawled endlessly. After walking for a while pushing through shrubs; almost stepping on insects, ants and crawlers; talking to birds that appeared to be serenading him and animals that came close or ran from him, he was tired. He sat on the stump of a tree to rest, later lying on the ground to sleep.
While asleep, Osanobua came down with a chain from heaven, looked around to ensure that everything was in place, including the Sun and the Moon that were to regulate day and night and the seasons. When Idu woke up, he was excited to find himself in the presence of a huge, soothing illumination, surrounded by darkness. The earth was dark. He knew he was in the presence of the ‘Almighty’ and did not want to look directly at the illumination. He went down humbly and quickly on his knees to thank Osanobua for the immense earth gift bestowed on him.
“You are happy then?” Osanobua asked Idu. “Very, very,” Idu said, adding humbly, “but I am hungry. I have not eaten since I arrived here? What do I do for food?” Osanobua said, “Stretch your hand up above your head; the sky would respond by coming close to your hand. Pluck whatever you need from the sky. Don’t pluck more than you need to eat to satisfy your hunger at any one time though.” ”I won’t, I won’t,” Idu said eagerly, stretching his right hand right away to pluck a mouthful of food from the sky. As he munched away happily, eyes and head rolling to show joy and satisfaction, he managed to mumble, “It tastes very nice, I love it.” “What else do you need?” Osanobua asked Idu. “Dad, I could do with a human companion. I am lonely. My brothers are spirits and I can no longer relate with them,” Idu said. Osanobua said, “You are not flesh and blood alone. You are part spirit too. Your spirit brothers are not far away. Experience would teach you how to harness wisdom, one of your spirit brothers, which would teach you how to combine your physical and spiritual energies to cultivate wealth and spiritual fulfillment, your other two spirit brothers.”
Osanobua gave the oldest son control of the waters. The Edo call this son, Olokun (meaning god of the waters). Olokun represents aspects of life such as good health, long life, good luck, prosperity and happiness, to which man may appeal through ritual purity. The other spirit sons were allowed the freedom to use their magical powers to balance out the negative and positive forces of nature. To shorten the process of acquiring spiritual wisdom, Osanobua strengthened the mystical energy with three new forces: Oguega, Ominigbon and Iha, to provide humans with spiritual guidance to differentiate rights from wrongs.
Osanobua then told Idu to take sand with both palms from the ground and stretch his hands close together in front of him. As soon as Idu did as he was told, Osanobua called forth a female person, pointing His staff where she appeared in front of Idu. “Whao,” Idu exclaimed on beholding the beautiful female person standing in front of him. She smiled happily and went down on her knees to greet Osanobua, looking at Idu who she also greeted. Idu held her hands in response and hugged her. Osanobua said, “She is Eteghohi (a woman) and you are Etebite, (a man). In marriage you would multiply to ensure there is no shortage of hands in the management of the earth’s resources.”
As Osanobua was making to leave, Idu politely asked: “What if we have other problems and want to reach our creator quickly?” Osanobua said, “You can individually live for up to five hundred years, but you can come to me at will through your individual spirit self, ehi, whose double is permanently with me in heaven. All you would need to do is climb the Alubode hill and you are with ehi in heaven, who would bring you to me.” As Osanobua left to his abode where the earth, water, and the sky meet, darkness was lifted from the earth.
Life was sweet and easy and before long, Idu and his wife, Eteghohi, were making babies. As the years rolled by, generations of extended Idu’s family began to spread out in all directions, setting up communities, villages and towns. The different communities farthest from base spoke variations of Idu language and knew that they came from one common ancestor, Papa Idu, the ancestor of all mankind.
TAO11: Hmmm! God created Mr. Idu and placed him in Benin City.
This is getting interesting!
*So, tell me was Mr. Idu not bored, being the first and only human?
*Where did Mr Idu's descendants come from?
*Did God create Mr Idu's wife from Mr Idu's ribs?
Having said that, I'm not sure where the name Israel number out from.
I simply asked you an entirely different question that does not mention the name of any country or place. Why then did you get worked up and defensive.
TAO11: One can only be certain that it was long long before the 15th century, because by the 15th century they were already found in today's Lagos and Ogun regions.
*Please note that 15th century means the 1400s--- that is, they arrived long long before the 1400s.
It's my turn to ask a question:
Which century did the aboriginal Edo people arrive in their present homeland from wherever they originally came??
Thanks!
The progenitor of our race is PA IDU
We are ancient people
we are IDU people and we've been where we are for thousands of years.
TAO11: Tell this to your fellow Benin retards who have no idea of the number of times I've flogged you black and blue while you run away only to come back for more months later like a prostitute.
I doubt if your Benin brother, Atigba will agree with you on this because he's always against you while he defends the historical fact that all the Obas of Benin till date are Yorubas.
Dear olajigaolamide, pay no heed to the poor Benin mythomaniac called gregyboy for he is out to distort and lie to unsuspecting people on Nairaland. Many people already know him, but this may be your first time encountering him.
The fact that this lad had to resort to lying is a full proof that he has admitted not only to be on the wrong path, but that he is in fact inferior.
The first image he attached is of the curator of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts, Francis Marzio, while she stood close to the sculpture of a certain Ife individual known by the name Idena a.k.a. Adina who was the first priest of Ore in Ile-Ife.
The sculptures of Idena --- Ore's priest, and of Ore himself were excavated from Ore-Grove in Ile-Ife.
From my first attached screenshot below, you would notice that both Ore and Idena are depicted to be adorning the round beaded necklace; while Ore has additional longer beaded necklace extending down almost to the knee level.
Also, Ore's beaded bracelets almost extend to his elbows in contrast to his priest's. Ore is a notable early Ife hunter who became deified.
You could have asked the Benin liar called gregyboy to identify the expert standing beside the sculpture he attached. Lol!
And then ask him to provide a statement from the same expert herself (or from any expert work for that matter) which says that the sculpture represents a Bini chief.
With such a simple request alone, you would have gotten him rambling and confused before he would then finally run away. Lol.
Guess what, the curator herself makes it clear in the video that the figure is an Ife sculpture by the name Adina (as opposed to being of a Benin chief found in Ife as fraudulently claimed by gregyboy).
Maybe gregyboy will tell us the meaning of Adina from his Edo language.
Furthermore, the curator, in the same video, clearly attributed the source of Adena's beaded necklace and beaded bracelets to Ile-Ife itself.
She quickly added and clarified in connection to Adena's beaded necklaces and beaded bracelets that:
"The wealth of Ife was due to bead making tradition. They exported their glass beads North to the North of Africa and made this area very prosperous."
It was as if she already knew you to be an unrepentant liar.
My attached screenshot below of Ore and his priest, Idena is taken from the work of an Havard professor of Arican Art and Architecture, Profesor Suzanne Preston Blier which confirms the sculpture to be of Ore's priest, as opposed to gregyboy 's imagination of some Bini chief.
See: Suzanne P. Blier, "Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba", Journal of African Arts, Winter 2012, Vol. 45, No. 4, p. 72.
Regarding his claim that Yoruba beads are not red but brown. He is again doing what he does best --- that is, blatantly lying even in the face of evidence.
For the record, the Yorubas have several varieties of beads of different colours (such as: blue, white, red, brown, green, etc.), shapes (such as: spherical, ellipsoidal, cylindrical, spheroidal, etc.), and materials (such as: glass, coral, etc.).
The most prominent of these being the red tubular coral beads called Iyun, as well as as the blue dichroic glass beads called Segi.
The second attachment below shows samples of some red beads discovered and recovered from Ife by a team of experts who conducted finds at Ife.
These beads as they are here are presently kept in the British Museum. They were entered into the Museum's archives in 1946.
Moreover, it has already been demonstrated clearly to the mythomaniac called gregyboy that:
1. At the time when Ife was already producing beads, Benin kingdom had not yet began the use beads. They dared not!
2. At the time when Ife artists were casting sculptures of Oonis showing a lavish and elaborate adorment of beads (such as the two ancient Ife sculptures shown in my first comment on this thread), the Binis had not dared begun the use of beads.
I have clearly established these two foregoing points (among others) with overwhelming evidence in the following threads, and I have challenged gregyboy to refute them. But guess what, he always runs away:
Oh ye gregyboy, I hope you will have some balls to return to the aforementioned threads from which you've fled for months now, and at least say something --- although has to be something sensible, assuming that's even possible. Lol.
Please olajigaolamide, do not forget to always copy me if you by chance find gregyboy lying on any thread concerning Yoruba and Benin connection.
gregyboy must be regretting already that I'm on Nairaland.
gregyboy: Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point ....
See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman... She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.
And by that she is bound to make error's
The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct, that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man
Here is a typical benin chief
At pics one
Pics 2 is shows the sculpture
You dont always have to fight it ... Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....
The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...
eben97: you are very correct sir, that guyngoodmluck messed up bigtime, nothing could show for all the wasted years I govt rather than the amassed looting and kili vs coupled with brand disobedience. THIS HAUSA MAN SEEM MORE WISER AND FIRM THAN THE PROFESSOR FISHER MAN ABEG !!
The idiot Jonathan spent 6 fuccking years.
I experience his administration in his community, he couldn't do anything. So stiuupid and irresponsible.
akelicious: The Secretary General of the Arewa Consultative Forum, Anthony Sani, in this interview, speaks on the state of the nation, saying the North is not afraid of Nigeria breaking up but prefers a strong, united country.
According to him, those who accuse President Muhammadu Buhari of lack of performance are not being truthful because if Nigerians had adjudged him as a failure in his first term, they would not have voted him for second term.
Let’s start with the issue of security on which many Nigerians think government hasn’t done much because kidnapping and banditry have continued to fester across the country despite the measures taken by the authorities. Where do you stand?
For proper assessment of efforts by government, it is important to do fact checking on what was inherited and what obtains now.
There was a time when people feared to gather in churches, in markets and in any ceremonies out of fear of attacks which transcended northern states and FCT. As a result, sense of helplessness and hopelessness overwhelmed the people, including residents of FCT.
The security challenges were so widespread that the United States made a forecast that Nigeria was at tipping point and would fall off the cliff by 2015.That did not happen. Thanks to the emergence of this regime. Today, the country is still one because Boko Haram has been tamed and the activities of the sect have been limited to the fringes of the North-East by the current regime.
But because corruption has stolen our patrimony, our opportunity and our future for many decades as well as the introduction of cashless economy which has made armed robbery to be unattractive, there has been recent resurgence of banditry, kidnapping and cattle rustling as business for some people. The UN Resolution 1966 of 2010 is specific that affected states must address the underlying causes, which this regime has been trying to address by way of fighting insurgence and corruption in order to create the enabling environment for the economy to be diversified away from oil to the exploitation of natural resources. The government has been trying to deliver on its promises. And it seems there is improvement.
For banditry, kidnapping and cattle rustling to give way, government must enlist the support of citizens not only in the use of military might but also of the citizens who should exercise patience and help government overcome the challenges.
The efforts of government alone against the insecurity posed by insurgents, bandits, cattle rustlers, herders and farmers conflicts, militants activism, cultism, ritual killings and even baby factories are not enough. One way citizens can support government is through the community policing and to avoid giving ethnic and religious coloration to purely criminal activities lest such coloration provide criminals with platform to hide and perpetrate crimes, knowing it is not possible to prosecute ethnicity and religion.
The fight against corruption should not be left to the Federal Government alone. States and local governments and the citizens must join the fight against corruption and stigmatize it in such a way as to discourage the practice of cash-for-peerage in our national life. Those arraigned for corruption should defend themselves instead of insisting that all corrupt people must be arraigned at the same time. I say so because the fight against corruption is work in progress that is expected to outlive the current regime.
Negotiating with bandits and kidnappers is ongoing in Katsina after the exercise proved successful in Zamfara. But critics say this is amoral. What does ACF think?
I am not the official spokesman for ACF which has a spokesman. I only complement his efforts. Most of your questions should be directed to the National Publicity Secretary whose job is to address your concerns please.
As far as I am concerned, negotiation to save lives is not out of place. You will recall that the Israeli government released 1, 000 members of Hamas held in custody in exchange for the release of one Israeli soldier held captive by Hamas in 2006. Also in 2014, then-President Obama negotiated the release of one American soldier held captive by the Taliban in exchange for five Taliban soldiers held by America in Guantanamo. Also note why the UN often invites warring parties to Geneva for peace talks. The aim is to avoid further killings in wars and not because the UN approves killings in wars.
That is why there is an adage that says if you kill one person, you would be charged for murder; if you kill ten persons, you would be examined for insanity, but if you kill 1,000 people, you would be invited for peace talks in Geneva not because the world likes your killings but because the world wants to stop further killings. That is the way I see the spirit of the negotiation by the governors of Katsina and Zamfara states, to wit, stop further killings in their states by bandits. So those who use Danegeld’s theory of rewarding bad behaviours and attack the two governors should have realistic appreciation of the situations.
One of the measures being taken by the police to stem insecurity is community policing under which 40, 000 non-police officers are to be recruited across the country (50 per local government area).Is it the right step in the right direction?
I understand community policing to mean the involvement of communities to police their precinct. I do not think those involved have to be recruited formally to become another security outfit. While not condemning community policing, it is my honest suggestion that the Federal Government should recruit adequate number of trained and well equipped police personnel. It is only then we can know whether the Nigeria Police can deliver on the promise of its mandate or cannot deliver. Multiplication of security outfits may not be helpful.
So, being a regional body, you are not carried along on the initiative. Right?
I said I do not know the details. But my take has always been that there should be enough number of trained and well equipped police personnel for the nation. A situation where so many villages do not have police outposts is never helpful. Therefore, it is unthinking to conclude that state police will be the magic wand.
Many organisations and individuals, including state governors, Afenifere and Ohanaeze, have canvassed state police as solution to the issue of insecurity in the country. Where does community policing leave state police?
I do not have the details of community policing which is not one and the same thing with the police. I am not for state police because I do not believe in multiplication of security outfits. If the number of trained and equipped state police personnel are not adequate, state police would not be the magic wand. What is more, given the way state governors have used State Electoral Commissions to kill democracy at the local government level, governors are most likely to abuse state police for wrong purposes. There is another challenge that state police personnel can take sides during conflicts in those states with diverse citizens.
The question of one monolithic North has been an issue as the Middle Belt says they are not part of the North. Are they right?
The agitations by the Middle Belt was more or less the response to the Willink Commission which brought about Mid Western Region. The late J.S.Tarka wanted Middle Belt Region reminiscent of the Mid-Western Region. Now that states have been created to allay the fear of the minorities of domination by the majority in the country, it stands to reason to submit that the agitation by the Middle Belt Forum is rooted in what no longer exists. If you consider Benue State where the Tiv have been in power since 1999 to the chagrin of the Idoma; if you consider what happens in Kogi State where the Igala hold sway against other minorities; if you consider Borno State where the Kanuri would not allow southern Borno to produce the governor; and if you consider Plateau State where Muslims cannot produce a deputy governor and get appointed as VC of UNIJOS and JUTH; and compare same with what happens in Kaduna and Kebbi states where the Hausa-Fulani hold sway against other ethnic nationalities, then you can hardly avoid the conclusion that the challenges of marginalization is not an exclusive preserve of the big three. All groups in Nigeria abuse their advantages. Furthermore, the Chairman of the Northern States’ Governors Forum is from Plateau State and a non-Muslim. Generals Gowon, Babangida and Abubakar who are among the patrons of ACF are from the North-Central geopolitical zone.
The 2023 presidency is already generating controversy even if it is several years away. Zoning is especially a contentious issue as the South fears power may not go back there after the North would have done eight years. Do you think this fear is justified? To be clear, what is the North’s game plan?
I am of the view that it is too early to start the politics of 2023 when the sitting regime is not up to six months in office. I also do not believe the North has any game plan in a multiparty democracy.
You will recall that in the first republic, (Alhaji Ahmadu Bello) Sardauna’s NPC contested not only with (the late Obafemi) Awolowo’s Action Group and (the late Nnamdi Azikiwe) Zik’s NCNC from the South but also with Aminu Kano’s NEPU and Tarka’s UMBC from the North.
Under the current dispensation when politics of rotation, power shift and zoning is being bandied about, Buhari contested against President Obasanjo from the South in 2003 and President Jonathan in 2011 and 2015. Also in 2019, 76 presidential candidates came from both the North and the South. This at once suggests that there has been no national consensus on rotation or zoning that is accepted and binding on political parties which enjoys the exclusive preserve of presenting candidates for elections.
Southern leaders recently warned against power remaining in the North in 2023 against the backdrop of statements credited to northern leaders like Governor El-Rufai suggesting that power may not shift to the South. How do you respond?
That is their personal opinion and not the position of their political parties. All those who talk of politics of rotation and zoning are not political parties which will present candidates for election. It is only political parties that can present candidates for elections.
The Federal Government has replaced RUGA with the National Livestock Transformation Programme. But southerners say they don’t know the difference between the two concepts and are therefore opposed to any of them. Can you enlighten us?
The same groups opposed to open grazing as panacea to trespasses by nomadic practices are the ones opposed to any intervention by the Federal Government on ranches despite knowing that nomads are landless and limited by both expertise and capacity to establish ranches that can improve security and livestock. They are the same groups who opposed RUGA and now opposed to the National Livestock Transformation Programme. Since the banning of nomads in favour of sedentary practice can improve not only security but also the quality and volume of livestock in the polity and economy, the critics should suggest how best the management of livestock should be that is acceptable to majority of stakeholders. It is not enough to condemn by mere declaration laced with threats and intimidation without any suggestions.
The Fulani have been painted as a difficult race going by the activities of killer herdsmen. What is ACF doing to address the issue?
Difficult in what ways? Though landless, I have not heard the Fulani talking that farmers should fence their farms. Mind you, there are Fulani herdsmen and farmers. What ACF does is to appeal to both herders and farmers not to take the law into their hands and stifle security which both need for livestock and farming to flourish.
President Buhari is a northerner. But there is this perception that his government hasn’t performed over the past four and a half years. Is ACF worried?
If his regime did not perform in the last tenure as suggested by you, how come his regime was not rejected but re-elected in 2019 with larger margin of 3.9m votes compared to the margin of 3m votes in 2015?
Nigeria at 59, many southerners believe northerners are slowing the country down. How do you respond?
How is the North slowing them down? Does the North determine how state governments are run? Does the Federal Government under President Buhari determine the usage of allocations to their states? It may be fact of history that education arrived in the South a century earlier than when it reached the North amid stiff resistance by perhaps Islam, a resistance which Boko Haram sect still echoes. But that has not affected the South in any way. A man from the South once accused the North of killing agriculture because of oil. But I told him that Malaysia did not collect the palm oil seedlings from the North. Yet southerners are the major importers of palm oil from Malaysia.
How has North fared in 59 years given the thinking that northern leaders have ruled for the most part and that section has been more backward than the South?
But the South has ruled for more years under the nascent democracy. The military junta who ruled did not do so on behalf of the North. And if we compare the socio-economic status of the North by way of number of universities, schools, roads, etc with what obtains today, however, the pace, majority of northerners count their blessings one-by-one. The only regret is the insecurity posed by insurgency, banditry, kidnapping, armed robbery, etc, most of which have been exported to the North from the South but which we hope to overcome. After all, we know that over the long history of nations and long lives of individuals, the powerful and the powerless, the rich and the poor often switch places. Our situation is not beyond redemption given purposeful leadership and the best of every northerner.
What does the North think about the Igbo separatist group IPoB?
The IPOB has the right to agitate for separation. Many nations go through such agitations. Examples include the state of Alaska where some people want to leave America to join Russia. We have some people in Xinjiang Province in China who do not want to be part of China. Some people in Aceh in Indonesia are separatists just like in Quebec in Canada. You heard what happened in Catalonia in Spain and Scotland in Britain.
So there is nothing exotic or quixotic in hankering for separation by some groups. After all, the good things of life are not natural order of things but attained through ceaseless hard work by not only the leaders but also by everyone. But majority in the North do not fear separation, though are of the view that the certain benefits for one united big Nigeria are more than the uncertain gains in separation. More so for the Igbo who settle and invest in other climes than the reverse.
Rach111: I dated my ex for 6yrs. Who was never proud of me, can't even post my pics on any social media, even the day I did he got angry and removed it.
Have never cheated on him because I hate double dating. Am a virgin and he was a virgin then. we promise to wait till marriage which made me to love him more. I always cook, clean do everything as if I was his wife.
But this guy never showed any signs that he will want to marry me. If I bring it up he keeps quiet over it.
After graduation we came back to Nigeria my grandmother who was like my mother because she was the one who took care of me, was sick I was in the hospital with her for 1 month he never showed up despite the fact that his house was close by. I saw so many signs that I was only wasting my time because he hardly calls even before then we had issues about a girl in his room which he denied everything yet I let it go because of love.
So through my savings from university I went to Dubai got a good job decided to forget about him for good and started dating a Canadian guy who was really nice to me and was willing to wait but my problem with him was that he always calls me sexy and shapy, big botty girl which made me feel like he was after my body because he was always telling me he can't wait to have me on his bed because he feels am too sexy.
Yes, I have great body no doubt, I became confused of the situation and decided to break up that was when my ex started begging for forgiveness that now his working in the bank and his planning to settle down by 2020.
My grandmother died I went to Nigeria and we met I realized he has slept with different girls and was even hiding his phone from me. Acting strange so I came back to Dubai continued my work and the white guy was trying to come back that he won't say things like that because he knows am different but the truth of the matter is that I don't even have any single love for the white guy. I still love my ex but my ex keeps talking to me like am a trash, I got angry and blocked him but he sent me massage on Facebook saying am childish and called me names this is someone who can never say things like that to me before but now he talks to me anyhow without respect because he feels am desperate for marriage because I always want to get married early, am in my early 20's.
Due to the situation all the guys both white and blacks asking me out for serious relationship have said no to all because I feel I can't love anyone again in my life because of my ex I don't know if am in my right senses have tried possible ways to forget him, I deleted all his pictures on my Facebook, always watching movies yet nothing seems to work.
Now am thinking of traveling to any European country look for a good white man so I can forget about him because I know I deserve better than him. I need advice if dating another guy mostly white can make me forget him or it might make things worst since am doing it because am trying to forget him.
GeoAfrikana: We work hard to earn money, so it's rational for us to spend our money on only products/services that (we believe) will add value to our lives.
Yesterday, I heard of a phone that costs #600k. The first question that came to my mind was:
what will I enjoy from this phone that my Google Pixel won't give?
So I decided to throw this question to the house.
How can you rationally justify spending #600k on a phone?
MiztaYouneek: Let me first of all say that I am not trying to be tribalistic here or referring to all Nigerians in diaspora as the same. I know there are many good and humble fellows out there who know why they left Nigeria and are making positive impacts.
I lived in a country years back which was dominated by the yorubas and if you see how some of them behave you will really ponder how they keep succeeding in living in that country. No respect for their host citizens, always feeling they own the country especially some that have made money. I was in a Nigerian restaurant one day and one man who was older than me came and started speaking Yoruba for me just like that. Out of respect I told him I don't understand the language and then he asked me if I wasn't a Nigerian. I told him I was a Nigerian but obviously Nigeria is not an all Yoruba country. The had the guts to open that stinking mouth of his that I know is already caused to tell me that I should question God to ask why I wasn't born a Yoruba. I know for sure they must have deported him by now or he might be in prison or something because I don't see such kind of a person making any positive impact in his life.
That aside I also had other terrible experiences with these yoruba people but I can't share all here. The main point is that not all of them had bad characters but the majority of them that did have bad characters sometimes affect all Nigerians in general even those with good characters.
Years later I have moved to a very different country which is more of a French speaking country and it is dominated more by the igbos. Over here is worse than the other country dominated by yorubas. Many of these igbo guys have no atom of respect at all for their host citizens. They feel they are making money and always trying to oppress their host citizens. Sometimes if you see how they talk and insult the citizens in English without any consideration that some of these citizens understand English a little. What surprises me most times is when some of these people will be insulting the host citizens saying things like if it was in Nigeria they can't do such and how Nigeria is better than the country, but they left the same Nigeria they say is better to another country not like if the host country invited them. It is really sad because I believe only some few people who have really travelled will understand the little points am trying to make.
Just last night, I was with an igbo guy who runs a legit business and we were on our way home because we stay in same neighborhood. On the way we noticed a lot of police presence but we just kept moving. Immediately we got close to a junction we saw two police officers who stopped us and they were speaking French so I didn't understand what they said. The guy I was walking with understands and speak french very well so he was communicating with them. The only thing I noticed was that they were pointing somewhere for us to sit down just like on the ground. I peacefully went to sit down and this other guy refused to sit and kept talking to one of the police. I didn't know what was going on as there were other people around as well but all speaking French so I signaled the other police that was close to me and told him I don't understand French but I needed to know what the problem is. Luckily for me he could understand English and he asked me for my identification. I reached out to my wallet and showed him then he asked if I was a Nigerian and I said yes. He then told me I can go because all they wanted to see was my identification so he called the other police and told him I don't understand French but I had shown him my identification and they both asked me to go. That was when I realized that all those plenty talk my friend was talking was unnecessary because they only needed to see our identification. I then called him aside and told him to calm down and speak with them gently but to my surprise he brought out his phone and said he wants to call some of his other police friends. I believe that angered one of the police and the next thing I saw was that they started pushing him to go and sit down where they initially asked us to sit. He kept on resisting while speaking French with them and the next thing I saw was two truck load policemen. Seems they were all together doing the patrol around the area and the whole story changed immediately. The environment became intense and that's how they pushed this guy into the truck with other people that they had arrested as well.
As for me, when I saw the way everything got intense I had no choice but to leave the place and started running home. Like that old saying "na who run from war dey live to tell the story". And that is what I am doing. Up till now he has not been released and no one knows yet where he is.
The bottom line of this all is that, though I know he will be released, it was just a very simple matter that would have been avoided by just being humble and able to show some respect that would have solved the problem and prevented any form of arrest in that forceful manner.
I don't see what it takes for us as Nigerians, no matter the money we are making, to always be humble to our host and respect them irrespective of age or anything. We have to learn to stop that attitude of I am better than my host and Nigerians have more sense than they do.
Whenever you travel out to wherever, please learn to show more respect and always be humble no matter how rich you think you have become.
[quote author= post=82561057]For the first time in a long while, it is this time you will hear/read about Edo people in diaspora that prostitition and trafficking won't come to your mind, More so because of this Governor that is trying everything to make Edo work and stop the negativity about the state.
And it is this same man that the same indigenes he governs are calling 'ole'?!
What a world! Your enemies are really those in your household.
You are on point.[/quote]The governor is a disgrace he is not doing anything to better Edo State.
Mrsoundoro: In its war against internet fraud, operatives of the Cyber Crime Section at the Abuja Zonal office of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC on Tuesday September 24, 2019 raided the residence of suspected yahoo-yahoo fraudsters and arrested four of them at Plot 1202 News Engineering Estate, Dawaki, Abuja.
The raid followed covert intelligence gathering and surveillance.
The suspects arrested are Osasu Fred Akioyamem, Ehis Ehizoghie Egheomwan, Chukwuemeka Chanimuya and Oris Karim
In the course of the operation, some of the items recovered include mobile phones, laptop computers, and a Mercedes C350. They will be charged to court as soon as investigations are complete.
Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife & Wife, Morenike Naomi Oluwaseyi At The Olojo Festival by Atigba: 7:43pm On Oct 01, 2019
